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Comedy!!! I wish it was true. I’m a Marxist, an actual one, and I wish this really was “a Marxist revolution that’s global in nature!” But alas, it isn’t (well, not yet). Honestly, if Van Jones, George Soros, Obama and Co. were to gain from these protests rest assured that the Marxist revolution you fear so much will have lost ground, because those Democrats aren’t socialist.
But I doubt you are understanding any of what I’m saying. So please continue doing what you are doing, call people “Marxist” who aren’t, call the Democrats “socialist”. Many people have woken up to the fact that Beck and FOX are all a bunch of liars, and the more you use those terms the more people take an interest in learning what Marx really said. So… Thank you, for spreading the word. 🙂
Thomas Rasmussen, and what do you call the MARXIST behavior from a crowd being led by
MARXIST style following the 10 rules of MARXIST BOOK, behavior leadership in GOVERNMENT?
is it just pretend MARXIST to cover something more nefarious to create CHAOS around the WORLD,
what is your take on what is going on to pay people to gather in one place , claiming to be rewarded
with money belonging to someone else,when they had no participation in earning any of it?
ah yes , of course that MARXIST IS A MIX WITH COMMUNIST AND SOCIALIST, so not as pure as your own MARXIST ,
is that so?
Thomas Rasmussen
12 years ago
@ilovebeeswarzone: I figure this will be next to impossible for you to understand, because I can see that (like most Tea Party propaganda consumers) all you really “know” of Marx is a few passages taken grossly out of context and several inflammatory quotes attributed to him, but aren’t actually by him. You mention the, as you call it, “10 rules of MARXIST BOOK”… 10 rules? They’re rules now? Most rabid anti-Marxists call them the “10 planks”. Well, “10 planks” or “10 rules”, whatever, Marx didn’t use either of those terms to describe them. They come from the end of the second chapter of Marx & Engels’ Communist Manifesto, you really should read that whole book, for this is a perfect example of you taking something ridiculously out of context… in at least two ways.
First, you need to keep in mind the few paragraphs above the “10 rules”, in which we read: “We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.” Basically, what this is saying is a revolution needs to happen first. The ruling oligarchy (i.e. the super rich, greedy, money worshiping politicians, corporatists, plutocrats, and their lobbyists) of the capitalist society needs to be removed from power, and governing power of the state needs to be put into the hands of the working class (i.e. the regular Joe Americans who make up the vast majority of this country). A revolution is not an election, it’s not just putting members of one of our two major parties into office again and again so they can continue capitalist exploitation as usual. To try to reframe these “10 rules” without this revolution and turn them into some kind of “evidence” that we all are currently living in a communist state, and that Obama is a communist, is taking them out of context.
Second, those “10 rules” aren’t important. Why? Because Marx and Engels changed their minds, their thinking evolved. In the Preface to the 1872 German edition of the Communist Manifesto we read: “The practical application of the principles will depend, as the Manifesto itself states, everywhere and at all times, on the historical conditions for the time being existing, and, for that reason, no special stress is laid on the revolutionary measures proposed at the end of Section II. That passage would, in many respects, be very differently worded today.” Basically, Marx had learned after watching the revolutions of 1848 in France, and the 1871 Paris Commune, that those “10 rules” he had written about in the Manifesto wouldn’t exactly go down all that well in actual practice.
But to try and answer your questions… Sorry, but the Obama administration isn’t Marxist, nor socialist, nor communist at all. Those are only words that your Tea Party propagandists have chosen to smear Obama with, part of a smear campaign that will make you vote Republican in the next election, and further entrench those money worshiping politicians, greedy corporatists, super rich plutocrats, and their lobbyists, into absolute control over your mind.
Thomas Rasmussen, hi,
I read your comment, and see and what I’m left wondering , is why would you keep voting for a proven failed government ,which try to become the big brother and decider of thoughts and creativness for the PEOPLE OF AMERICA which are being so controlled by GOVERMENT REGULATIONS AND LIES
to beleive that they will decide for you to built your future, that’s done in the most freedom abiding COUNTRY of the WHOLE WORLD with a nation of law abiding citizens able to take all those abuses in order to wait for the legitimated ELECTION DAY TO REMOVE THE ABUSERS,
WHATEVER THE ADMINISTRATION IS LEANING ON TO IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE MAINTAIN IN AMERICA, AND YOU ARE DEFENDING THEM AS A TRUE MARXIST, IS MAKE ME VERY SUSPICIOUS OF YOU AND YOUR WORDS,
I would prefer to stay ignorant of you’re MARXIST DEDICATION, EVEN OF YOUR NEGATION THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH COMMUNIST SOCIALIST OR AND MARXIST TEACHING,
BUT AS YOU should know, It’s their ACTIONS AND COMPANY that speak louder than your words
THIS BLOG is made of the very smart AUTHORS so well received by a regular group of highly educated and intelligence is flowing for all to absorb and feed on,
so their POSTS and comment are most believed by the readers and values as THE TRUTH.
and sorry to demolish your sentence about THE FINE TEAPARTY ‘S FAMILIES, they don’t have a propagande, they just warn people of the kind of wording you use on your own along with the media sold to it and the administration trying so hard to reclaim the lost trust of the people,
that is where the propaganda come from.
Thomas Rasmussen
12 years ago
@ilovebeeswarzone: You’re asking me why I “keep voting for a proven failed government”? That I’m “DEFENDING THEM AS A TRUE MARXIST”? Comedy!!! I just wrote that I’m pursuing a revolution to take those guys out of power and you say I’m defending them! I voted against Obama in the last presidential election. I voted for Ralph Nader. As a matter of fact not a single candidate I’ve voted for for over a decade now has won their race, and yet you accuse me of “voting for a proven failed government”. Wow!!! Comedy!
You say you “would prefer to stay ignorant”, well, more power to ya, man, I’m sure you’ll succeed. But you are right about one thing: “ACTIONS AND COMPANY speak louder than your words.” Anyone who bothers to sit down and do an honest read of Marx’s Communist Manifesto will know from the actions and company the Obama administration holds that they’re not Marxists/socialists/communists, but rather are a part of the capitalist ruling class that the book decries. Conversely, when those same readers look at the actions and company you keep they’ll know that you don’t even have a clue what the truth is.
So, again, thank you for being all that you are, for because of Tea Partiers like yourself people are again reading Marx. Keep up the good work! 🙂
So listening to one like Thomas – who attempts to play down the association with the lib/prog/Euro-socialist agenda as unimportant – is nothing more than someone trying to soothe you into compliance for their ultimate goal.
Thomas Rasmussen
12 years ago
@MataHarley: I’m not sure why I should have said anything about socialism being the first step and phase for achieving some end goal, since Obama and Co. aren’t moving towards that end goal. And “soothe you into compliance for their ultimate goal”? I’m curious… just what do you think I’m trying to soothe Bees into doing (besides thanking him for being a “useful idiot”)? And what do you think my “ultimate goal” is anyway, really?
Been to your blog, and you’ve admitted here that you are a Marxist, Thomas. Your end goal for preferred governance is plainly obvious by your self-admitted political stance. Your methods on achieving them? Not so obvious. It’s a multi step process, of which most of us versed on the varying degrees of socialism/communism/marx’ism are familiar with.
Your attempt to diss the Obama push towards Euro-socialism as unimportant doesn’t work on me. You do not think it is far enough, but you know that any success to be had helps your stated end results of socialism. Nice try…
Thomas Rasmussen,
yes you could be very convincing to many with a smood approch like you have,
funny, you don’t seem the type to be a pure MARXIST , as you said,
I misjudge your not voting for OBAMA,
it seems to me that you where advocating him at some point,
so you misjudge my state also,as for the TEA PARTY, YOU SEEMS TO NOT KNOW THEM YOURSELF BY YOUR JUDGING THEM HARSH, I don’t belong to the movement, but I defend them, because I admire their courage and patriotic stand for the laws of the land written with such WISDOM,
you seem to discredit their groups action going out and exposing the lies and bad judgment of the GOVERNMENT, WE ALL SHOULD PRAISE their effort to peacefully keep watch like the GUARDIANS OF THIS GREAT AMERICA, LOOK AT THE NEW YORK DEMONSTRATION NOW spending so much time there and will not leave any betterness in this COUNTRY from their rebellion, except that we know they
are been put there from the OBAMA and company, and they will not clean up their filth like the CLASSY TEA PARTY, WHICH LEAVE THE SITE OF THEIR DEMONSTRATION, CLEANER THAN BEFORE THEY MOVED IN, YES THAT IS QUITE A NOBLE COMPANIE TO BE WITH,
AS WE BOTH SAID ACTIONS SPEAK BETTER THAN PROPAGANDE WITH SUBLIMINAL INSERT, THAT
IS THE WAY OF THE OTHER PARTY OF NO SHAME TO DECLARE THE TEA PARTY TERRORIST,OR ANOTHER SAYING THEY CAN GO TO HELL AND MORE OF THAT KIND OF ATTACK come
directly from ELECTED DEMOCRATS.
SO I presume that you will have no choice than to vote CONSERVATIVES,
that is where the smart class are,
Ms. Bees, Thomas is a pure socialist, as he is happy to admit on his blog. There will be no sympathy from him towards the TP movement, as he believes in “small government” as… and I quote him, quoting Marx …“government as “but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.”
Interesting that the Utah State Senator, with whom he was having the conversation, asked him:
So you think socialism is basically a committee of the people who decide policy? Are these elected people or who decides who is on the committee?
Thomas, in a five paragraph transcript response, never answered that question. But then, that’s how socialism/communism ends up. An exaggerated view of a “top 1%”, except that the top 1% is just an unelected elitist (and nepotist) despotic leadership, as history has repeatedly shown.
To pile on to our new FA vistor, Ms. Bees…. a bit of insight as to his anti-capitalist agenda from Socialist Worker’s Facebook page, and his “thumbs up”.
Socialist Worker: In the end, people breaking with the illusions of the past will have to deal with one final but very strong illusion: That capitalism is the only possible way to organize society. For people to overcome this illusion, we need an anti-capitalist political force that will prove there is another way: Socialism.
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Same “Thomas Rasmussen as the photo is the same on both the FB profile, and the blog. Might also add that his FB profile has as his interests, the Communist Party USA. Pretty open about who he is. Admirably unapologetic for his anti American founding beliefs, if not likeable.
So you are dealing with someone that is openly anti-capitalist. As I said to another socialist/marxist who tried to nest here on FA in your absence, the chasm of political beliefs and philosophy is far too wide to traverse. I do not suffer fools well. I tolerate open socialist/marxist/communists – and their attempt to change the founding of this nation on exactly the opposite – even less. There are ample socialist countries for them to relocate to. I say, with a smile, travel well and buh bye.
Thomas Rasmussen, ,
I just came back from you’re site, and trying to take the money from the RICH is stealing,
plain as that, and trying to do away with CAPITALIST is a step not to cross, because it could be followed by doing away with a group of human been because of the same reason you want to do away with CAPITALIST,
what did the GERMANS AFTER THEY STOLE THE JEWISH WELL ESTABLISH,
THEY DID AWAY WITH THEM YES SR, THEY KILLED MULTI MILLIONS OF THEM,
they came as smood talker just like you, and convince them to relocate for their own safety,
AGAIN what come to mind is sounding like same tactic from OBAMA, here I say the TSA SEARCH IN AIRPORTS, FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY,AND IT WON’T GO AWAY, BUT SPREAD FURTHER IN TRAINS AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION,
SCARY IS IN IT? they killed the millions jews for their own good, what do you do after you take
from the RICH, YOU GET RID OF THEM BECAUSE THEY YELLE TOO LOUD THAT YOU ATRE THE THIEVES, THAN WHO WILL YOU TARGET AFTER YOU FIND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH COMING FROM THE PEOPLE, YOU WILL ESCALATE YOUR MARXIST RULE TO GET MORE, ON THE SICKS PEOPLE, ON THE OLD PEOPLE AND THE BLOOD WILL COVER THE EARTH,
INFINITLY BECAUSE YOURE MARXIST LAW IS MURDER.
MATA, geez, thank’s to you THOMAS smood talk could capture the young that is not aware,
and I bet he must have lecture some of the crowd to join in a group of idiots marching and following the crowd for getting a few bucks, but not knowing why, not even caring to find out,
that is dangerous, and they catch the poors and vulnerable to do their durty work, that is low
for a human been to manipulate the masses,
MATA, nobody can say that FA is not full of surprises,
there is always something poppying up
when we least expect it,
bye
Thomas Rasmussen
12 years ago
You guys are comical! So let me sum up what I think you’re saying, just for the sake of clarity: “He said he was a Marxist! Ahhhh! Don’t listen to his smooth talk about his opposition to Obama! He’s actually trying to destroy the world! Ahhh!!! He’s a genocidal maniac! Ahhhh!!! And worst of all, he really want’s you to vote for Obama!!! AHHHH!!!”
I think that sums it up about right. Wouldn’t you agree? 🙂
And just to comment on a couple of specific things in your comments above:
@MataHarley: Actually, I did answer that Utah Senator’s questions. Let me cut and paste it from the same blog post you cut and pasted his question from.
And to try and give a short answer to the couple questions you asked: I think socialism is very democratic, and can and will take many different forms depending on what the workers, i.e. the people, decide on how to structure themselves. Something that will prevent the kinds of inequality that we have today from developing, so that no new ruling class can develop.
You may not like my answer, but saying that I “never answered that question” as you just did is simply incorrect. 🙁
But I am glad you two are reading my blog and facebook page, thanks. You guys are the only readers that blog has had in a while. That make you guys special. 🙂
@ilovebeeswarzone: You actually type out: “SO I presume that you will have no choice than to vote CONSERVATIVES”
You’ve got to be kidding me!
Just by way of a crude metaphorical analogy, if we were to say that Obama is like Benito Mussolini, then the Republican candidate would be Adolf Hitler. Now Italian fascism might be better than Nazism, but ehh, not really. I don’t think I’ll take either one. Voting Democrat or Republican just to get rid of the candidate of the other party is a waste of time. I want to depose of the fascists altogether. (And, no, I don’t want to exterminate them. I’m opposed to the death penalty.)
@Thomas Rasmussen: So let me sum up what I think you’re saying, just for the sake of clarity: “He said he was a Marxist! Ahhhh! Don’t listen to his smooth talk about his opposition to Obama! He’s actually trying to destroy the world! Ahhh!!! He’s a genocidal maniac! Ahhhh!!! And worst of all, he really want’s you to vote for Obama!!! AHHHH!!!”
um hmmm…. challenged and the less than suave styles emerge. i.e. “AHHHH! “genocideal maniac”, “destroy the world” and other sundry condescending desperate hyperbole. You types really unravel easily, don’t you? Been here, done that recently with another I think you would have liked to stay in touch with. That one, however, thoroughly abused the posting privileges.. which are far more liberal than your bud, Social Worker, BTW…. and ended up getting himself 86’ed. Try not to do the same please. The rules are basic. No sock puppetry to beef up your personal opinion. There are other authors than me that just love to seek out the sock puppets. And no extremely foul and abusive language.
For the record, Thomas, I never mentioned “genocidal maniac”, nor anything close. What I merely said is that a vote for Obama gets you closer to your desired goals than a vote for a conservative. You can hardly argue that fact with any cogency.
But I am glad you two are reading my blog and facebook page, thanks. You guys are the only readers that blog has had in a while. That make you guys special. 🙂
Not surprising you don’t have a ton of traffic. And you’re welcome. I always like to know with whom I speak over the cyber net. Makes life a tad simpler.
eNow Italian fascism might be better than Nazism, but ehh, not really. I don’t think I’ll take either one. Voting Democrat or Republican just to get rid of the candidate of the other party is a waste of time. I want to depose of the fascists altogether. (And, no, I don’t want to exterminate them. I’m opposed to the death penalty.)
Probably, in that simplistic sentence, there is little disagreement. I’m not much for the RINO’lite candidates anymore more than I am for the Dem moderate’lites either. I suspect that we split in complete opposite directions here. If both of us were to vote third party, they would be at opposite ends of the political philosophical spectrum based on our end goals.
Were both of us to hold our noses, you’d be voting for an Obama instead of a Bernie Sanders clone, and I’d be voting for a Romney instead of a Reagan clone.
That still leaves us a chasm too wide to traverse apart.
Nor did I ever say you wanted to exterminate anyone. Try not to dive off the deep end in a very shallow pool, please.
Thomas Rasmussen, you did not make a good sum up but it is funny,
same for me, I was kidding you, knowing you are not a CONSERVATIVE,
BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE AN AMERICAN THAT IS A REAL AMERICAN,
YOU MUST LET GO THOSE MARXIST DREAM OF BEING ANTI CAPITALIST,
AND TRYING TO RUIN THE RICH WHICH WORK HARDER THAN YOU TILL THE BEGINNING
OF AMERICA SPILLING THEIR BLOODS ALONG TO KEEP YOU FREE TO TODAY HAVE THE GAL TO WANT TO DISPOSEST THOSE RESPONSABLE TO BUILD THIS BEAUTIFULL AMERICA, THEY DESERVE ALL THEY HAVE MORE THAN YOU ALONG WITH ALL THOSE DEMONSTRATING LIKE UNDESERVING TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY,
don’t you and your crowd would be doing the same to gain your pitance, like the ancestors who first came to develop this land at the sweath of their whole body working laborers in hard condition
to open the road you drive on today, taking all for granted, your attitude is not AMERICAN,
and shame on you and the one that think alike
Technically Ms. Bees, I will disagree. For Thomas to not only hold his opinion, but express it, is very American to it’s core. That he is dissatisfied with our founding over two centuries ago doesn’t make him un American. Just dumber than dirt for not moving to Chavez’s Venzuela, or Castro’s Cuba, where he’d obviously be more content and have less dissidence in which to engage.
MATA yes you’re right, but those who want to change AMERICA don’t deserve it,
AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON hard work and bloodshed to get those of today who want to forget the beginning of their COUNTRY which carried all along the incredible story of those braves pionners
who are the first to open it, would turned in their graves to see, what so many have not been true to
what being an AMERICAN IS required of them,
they just decide to change it,
what poor slobs they have fell so low to even think like it.
there for do not deserve it,
Thomas Rasmussen
12 years ago
@MataHarley: I was addressing both of you when I wrote that little summery (I wrote, “You guys are comical!” That’s both you and Bees.) And Bees wrote:
what did the GERMANS AFTER THEY STOLE THE JEWISH WELL ESTABLISH,
THEY DID AWAY WITH THEM YES SR, THEY KILLED MULTI MILLIONS OF THEM,
they came as smood talker just like you, and convince them to relocate for their own safety,
AGAIN what come to mind is sounding like same tactic from OBAMA, here I say the TSA SEARCH IN AIRPORTS, FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY,AND IT WON’T GO AWAY, BUT SPREAD FURTHER IN TRAINS AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION,
SCARY IS IN IT? they killed the millions jews for their own good, what do you do after you take
from the RICH, YOU GET RID OF THEM BECAUSE THEY YELLE TOO LOUD THAT YOU ATRE THE THIEVES, THAN WHO WILL YOU TARGET AFTER YOU FIND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH COMING FROM THE PEOPLE, YOU WILL ESCALATE YOUR MARXIST RULE TO GET MORE, ON THE SICKS PEOPLE, ON THE OLD PEOPLE AND THE BLOOD WILL COVER THE EARTH,
INFINITLY BECAUSE YOURE MARXIST LAW IS MURDER.
I summed this up with simply: “He’s a genocidal maniac! Ahhhh!!!” Now can that honestly be called “sundry condescending desperate hyperbole”, really? Or might Bees be the one “diving off the deep end in a very shallow pool” and I am merely tightening up his rather colorful verbiage? Or maybe your phrase “sundry condescending desperate hyperbole” is hyperbolic in itself? 🙂
You ask, “You types really unravel easily, don’t you?” Nope, not really. Actually, I’ve quite enjoyed myself here. But don’t worry I won’t abuse the posting privileges. Matter of fact I think this will be my last comment here. I have other plans for this evening and tomorrow I be on to other business. And I don’t plan to try crossing that Grand Canyon sized chasm you mention. I prefer to just say hello every once in a while, and thank you for being on your side of the Grand Canyon and not on my side. No, but seriously, as I mentioned above you guys really do a good service for us Marxists, and I know you guys don’t get enough recognition for that service. So I’d like to just encourage you, and thank you. Keep up the good work. 🙂
One last point before I go for the evening. You say, “Were both of us to hold our noses, you’d be voting for an Obama instead of a Bernie Sanders clone, and I’d be voting for a Romney instead of a Reagan clone.” You’re wrong. You can do what you want, but I’m not voting for Obama. Nope, I’ll likely be voting for Stewart Alexander, who I believe just got the nomination for president on the Socialist Party ticket. Of course he’s not going to win, but then I don’t put much value in elections. When the de facto choices are only between the two big capitalist parties I’ll take my politics outside of the ballot box thank you.
Thomas Rasmussen,
you know what I was trying to make you understand by saying how dangerous your MARXIST
could do to this AMERICA,
the consequences to be leading a group of youth who don’t understand the full danger of trying to change
AMERICA,
that is why I put it to the end, awful pattern of what possibility arise if those restriction
continue also from an immature leader, which fail to see the future dangers,
just look at the crowd gathering in those spaces, they are being led by dangerous leader to show what they can do, how much they can use them to lead them to the trouble that some of them being arrested will have to carry on their future quest to the job market,
you leaders have no way to deal with the current felons, and try to raise the number by pushing those rally, where you don’t show any concern about possible hurt for the some of them,
you show no respect no worry for the officer of the law left to do the nasty and dangerous job of keeping the law, that rally organise by the group in leadership has faied, and the consequences will be on the concience of those organiser, but the youths arrested will carry the failiure of that rally instead.
so when you want to change AMERICA LIKE OBAMA SAID, think further, unless you don’t have anY skill of VISION OF AFTERMATH OF A LEADER DECISION which is not good for A NATION LIKE AMERICA,
Nan G
12 years ago
The Economic Freedom channel from the Charles Koch Institute has three videos up. Episode One: Economic Freedom & Quality of Life
Episode Two: Economic Freedom in America Today
and How to Create a Job: Creating Value, Not Just Work
Nan G ,HI,
You always dig hard to find the intelligent link for us to check in,
that is a good way to seek betterness, in dark situations, specialy when
no AMERICANS CAN DEPEND ON A WISDOM OF HIS FAILED PRESIDENT,
WHICH IS TRYING SO HARD TO RECOVER FROM THE DOWNWARD ESCALATING CHARIOT
TO THE PRECIPICE, WHERE HE CANNOT EVER RISE AGAIN.
thank you
Nan G
12 years ago
Joann Mor has found more and more White House/Occupy Wall Street connections.
ACORN: Steve Lerner, former ACORN boss.
Lerner has visited the White House numerous times, as well as keeping an active roll in ACORN. Wade Rathe is involved in the organizing, both here and abroad.
Not only is Rathke founder/head of ACORN International, but he is organizing the overseas arms as well. Maude Hurd, of ACORN fame made her presence known in the Boston protests this past week.
Weather Underground:
Bill Ayers has posted the Occupy Wall Street statement.
Drummond Pike.
White House: Patrick Gaspard still works in the White House. He is ACORN’s man inside.
She includes many links to everything here and more.
Whats sad, and I mean really sad is that O’Riely cannot or will not see it. Is he really that ignorant? Or just waiting for more Americans to see it and then make the switch? He always talks about how he is a history nut, yet cannot see what has happened in other countries is now happening here, and has been for decades. Or is he one of those positive thinkers like the ones who stayed on the sinking ship, exclaiming “This ship was built not to sink! We are too good and noble for that!”
But I am glad you two are reading my blog and facebook page, thanks. You guys are the only readers that blog has had in a while. That make you guys special.
Gee, you would think that someone who has all the answers would have a HUGE readership…
Cost to post at FA, zero dollars.
Bragging on FA about no one reading your blog – priceless.
SEIU Soros, Tides, Bingo!
Comedy!!! I wish it was true. I’m a Marxist, an actual one, and I wish this really was “a Marxist revolution that’s global in nature!” But alas, it isn’t (well, not yet). Honestly, if Van Jones, George Soros, Obama and Co. were to gain from these protests rest assured that the Marxist revolution you fear so much will have lost ground, because those Democrats aren’t socialist.
But I doubt you are understanding any of what I’m saying. So please continue doing what you are doing, call people “Marxist” who aren’t, call the Democrats “socialist”. Many people have woken up to the fact that Beck and FOX are all a bunch of liars, and the more you use those terms the more people take an interest in learning what Marx really said. So… Thank you, for spreading the word. 🙂
Thomas Rasmussen, and what do you call the MARXIST behavior from a crowd being led by
MARXIST style following the 10 rules of MARXIST BOOK, behavior leadership in GOVERNMENT?
is it just pretend MARXIST to cover something more nefarious to create CHAOS around the WORLD,
what is your take on what is going on to pay people to gather in one place , claiming to be rewarded
with money belonging to someone else,when they had no participation in earning any of it?
ah yes , of course that MARXIST IS A MIX WITH COMMUNIST AND SOCIALIST, so not as pure as your own MARXIST ,
is that so?
@ilovebeeswarzone: I figure this will be next to impossible for you to understand, because I can see that (like most Tea Party propaganda consumers) all you really “know” of Marx is a few passages taken grossly out of context and several inflammatory quotes attributed to him, but aren’t actually by him. You mention the, as you call it, “10 rules of MARXIST BOOK”… 10 rules? They’re rules now? Most rabid anti-Marxists call them the “10 planks”. Well, “10 planks” or “10 rules”, whatever, Marx didn’t use either of those terms to describe them. They come from the end of the second chapter of Marx & Engels’ Communist Manifesto, you really should read that whole book, for this is a perfect example of you taking something ridiculously out of context… in at least two ways.
First, you need to keep in mind the few paragraphs above the “10 rules”, in which we read: “We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.” Basically, what this is saying is a revolution needs to happen first. The ruling oligarchy (i.e. the super rich, greedy, money worshiping politicians, corporatists, plutocrats, and their lobbyists) of the capitalist society needs to be removed from power, and governing power of the state needs to be put into the hands of the working class (i.e. the regular Joe Americans who make up the vast majority of this country). A revolution is not an election, it’s not just putting members of one of our two major parties into office again and again so they can continue capitalist exploitation as usual. To try to reframe these “10 rules” without this revolution and turn them into some kind of “evidence” that we all are currently living in a communist state, and that Obama is a communist, is taking them out of context.
Second, those “10 rules” aren’t important. Why? Because Marx and Engels changed their minds, their thinking evolved. In the Preface to the 1872 German edition of the Communist Manifesto we read: “The practical application of the principles will depend, as the Manifesto itself states, everywhere and at all times, on the historical conditions for the time being existing, and, for that reason, no special stress is laid on the revolutionary measures proposed at the end of Section II. That passage would, in many respects, be very differently worded today.” Basically, Marx had learned after watching the revolutions of 1848 in France, and the 1871 Paris Commune, that those “10 rules” he had written about in the Manifesto wouldn’t exactly go down all that well in actual practice.
But to try and answer your questions… Sorry, but the Obama administration isn’t Marxist, nor socialist, nor communist at all. Those are only words that your Tea Party propagandists have chosen to smear Obama with, part of a smear campaign that will make you vote Republican in the next election, and further entrench those money worshiping politicians, greedy corporatists, super rich plutocrats, and their lobbyists, into absolute control over your mind.
Thomas Rasmussen, hi,
I read your comment, and see and what I’m left wondering , is why would you keep voting for a proven failed government ,which try to become the big brother and decider of thoughts and creativness for the PEOPLE OF AMERICA which are being so controlled by GOVERMENT REGULATIONS AND LIES
to beleive that they will decide for you to built your future, that’s done in the most freedom abiding COUNTRY of the WHOLE WORLD with a nation of law abiding citizens able to take all those abuses in order to wait for the legitimated ELECTION DAY TO REMOVE THE ABUSERS,
WHATEVER THE ADMINISTRATION IS LEANING ON TO IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE MAINTAIN IN AMERICA, AND YOU ARE DEFENDING THEM AS A TRUE MARXIST, IS MAKE ME VERY SUSPICIOUS OF YOU AND YOUR WORDS,
I would prefer to stay ignorant of you’re MARXIST DEDICATION, EVEN OF YOUR NEGATION THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH COMMUNIST SOCIALIST OR AND MARXIST TEACHING,
BUT AS YOU should know, It’s their ACTIONS AND COMPANY that speak louder than your words
THIS BLOG is made of the very smart AUTHORS so well received by a regular group of highly educated and intelligence is flowing for all to absorb and feed on,
so their POSTS and comment are most believed by the readers and values as THE TRUTH.
and sorry to demolish your sentence about THE FINE TEAPARTY ‘S FAMILIES, they don’t have a propagande, they just warn people of the kind of wording you use on your own along with the media sold to it and the administration trying so hard to reclaim the lost trust of the people,
that is where the propaganda come from.
@ilovebeeswarzone: You’re asking me why I “keep voting for a proven failed government”? That I’m “DEFENDING THEM AS A TRUE MARXIST”? Comedy!!! I just wrote that I’m pursuing a revolution to take those guys out of power and you say I’m defending them! I voted against Obama in the last presidential election. I voted for Ralph Nader. As a matter of fact not a single candidate I’ve voted for for over a decade now has won their race, and yet you accuse me of “voting for a proven failed government”. Wow!!! Comedy!
You say you “would prefer to stay ignorant”, well, more power to ya, man, I’m sure you’ll succeed. But you are right about one thing: “ACTIONS AND COMPANY speak louder than your words.” Anyone who bothers to sit down and do an honest read of Marx’s Communist Manifesto will know from the actions and company the Obama administration holds that they’re not Marxists/socialists/communists, but rather are a part of the capitalist ruling class that the book decries. Conversely, when those same readers look at the actions and company you keep they’ll know that you don’t even have a clue what the truth is.
So, again, thank you for being all that you are, for because of Tea Partiers like yourself people are again reading Marx. Keep up the good work! 🙂
Bees, what Mr. Expert/I’m an admitted Marxist fails to tell you is that socialism is but the first step and phase for achieving the end goal.
So listening to one like Thomas – who attempts to play down the association with the lib/prog/Euro-socialist agenda as unimportant – is nothing more than someone trying to soothe you into compliance for their ultimate goal.
@MataHarley: I’m not sure why I should have said anything about socialism being the first step and phase for achieving some end goal, since Obama and Co. aren’t moving towards that end goal. And “soothe you into compliance for their ultimate goal”? I’m curious… just what do you think I’m trying to soothe Bees into doing (besides thanking him for being a “useful idiot”)? And what do you think my “ultimate goal” is anyway, really?
Been to your blog, and you’ve admitted here that you are a Marxist, Thomas. Your end goal for preferred governance is plainly obvious by your self-admitted political stance. Your methods on achieving them? Not so obvious. It’s a multi step process, of which most of us versed on the varying degrees of socialism/communism/marx’ism are familiar with.
Your attempt to diss the Obama push towards Euro-socialism as unimportant doesn’t work on me. You do not think it is far enough, but you know that any success to be had helps your stated end results of socialism. Nice try…
MATA, hi,
I must admit that Thomas has a classy and polite way to debate his conviction of MARXIST
SUBSCRIBER, BYE,
Thomas Rasmussen,
yes you could be very convincing to many with a smood approch like you have,
funny, you don’t seem the type to be a pure MARXIST , as you said,
I misjudge your not voting for OBAMA,
it seems to me that you where advocating him at some point,
so you misjudge my state also,as for the TEA PARTY, YOU SEEMS TO NOT KNOW THEM YOURSELF BY YOUR JUDGING THEM HARSH, I don’t belong to the movement, but I defend them, because I admire their courage and patriotic stand for the laws of the land written with such WISDOM,
you seem to discredit their groups action going out and exposing the lies and bad judgment of the GOVERNMENT, WE ALL SHOULD PRAISE their effort to peacefully keep watch like the GUARDIANS OF THIS GREAT AMERICA, LOOK AT THE NEW YORK DEMONSTRATION NOW spending so much time there and will not leave any betterness in this COUNTRY from their rebellion, except that we know they
are been put there from the OBAMA and company, and they will not clean up their filth like the CLASSY TEA PARTY, WHICH LEAVE THE SITE OF THEIR DEMONSTRATION, CLEANER THAN BEFORE THEY MOVED IN, YES THAT IS QUITE A NOBLE COMPANIE TO BE WITH,
AS WE BOTH SAID ACTIONS SPEAK BETTER THAN PROPAGANDE WITH SUBLIMINAL INSERT, THAT
IS THE WAY OF THE OTHER PARTY OF NO SHAME TO DECLARE THE TEA PARTY TERRORIST,OR ANOTHER SAYING THEY CAN GO TO HELL AND MORE OF THAT KIND OF ATTACK come
directly from ELECTED DEMOCRATS.
SO I presume that you will have no choice than to vote CONSERVATIVES,
that is where the smart class are,
Ms. Bees, Thomas is a pure socialist, as he is happy to admit on his blog. There will be no sympathy from him towards the TP movement, as he believes in “small government” as… and I quote him, quoting Marx …“government as “but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.”
Interesting that the Utah State Senator, with whom he was having the conversation, asked him:
Thomas, in a five paragraph transcript response, never answered that question. But then, that’s how socialism/communism ends up. An exaggerated view of a “top 1%”, except that the top 1% is just an unelected elitist (and nepotist) despotic leadership, as history has repeatedly shown.
To pile on to our new FA vistor, Ms. Bees…. a bit of insight as to his anti-capitalist agenda from Socialist Worker’s Facebook page, and his “thumbs up”.
Same “Thomas Rasmussen as the photo is the same on both the FB profile, and the blog. Might also add that his FB profile has as his interests, the Communist Party USA. Pretty open about who he is. Admirably unapologetic for his anti American founding beliefs, if not likeable.
So you are dealing with someone that is openly anti-capitalist. As I said to another socialist/marxist who tried to nest here on FA in your absence, the chasm of political beliefs and philosophy is far too wide to traverse. I do not suffer fools well. I tolerate open socialist/marxist/communists – and their attempt to change the founding of this nation on exactly the opposite – even less. There are ample socialist countries for them to relocate to. I say, with a smile, travel well and buh bye.
Thomas Rasmussen, ,
I just came back from you’re site, and trying to take the money from the RICH is stealing,
plain as that, and trying to do away with CAPITALIST is a step not to cross, because it could be followed by doing away with a group of human been because of the same reason you want to do away with CAPITALIST,
what did the GERMANS AFTER THEY STOLE THE JEWISH WELL ESTABLISH,
THEY DID AWAY WITH THEM YES SR, THEY KILLED MULTI MILLIONS OF THEM,
they came as smood talker just like you, and convince them to relocate for their own safety,
AGAIN what come to mind is sounding like same tactic from OBAMA, here I say the TSA SEARCH IN AIRPORTS, FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY,AND IT WON’T GO AWAY, BUT SPREAD FURTHER IN TRAINS AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION,
SCARY IS IN IT? they killed the millions jews for their own good, what do you do after you take
from the RICH, YOU GET RID OF THEM BECAUSE THEY YELLE TOO LOUD THAT YOU ATRE THE THIEVES, THAN WHO WILL YOU TARGET AFTER YOU FIND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH COMING FROM THE PEOPLE, YOU WILL ESCALATE YOUR MARXIST RULE TO GET MORE, ON THE SICKS PEOPLE, ON THE OLD PEOPLE AND THE BLOOD WILL COVER THE EARTH,
INFINITLY BECAUSE YOURE MARXIST LAW IS MURDER.
MATA, geez, thank’s to you THOMAS smood talk could capture the young that is not aware,
and I bet he must have lecture some of the crowd to join in a group of idiots marching and following the crowd for getting a few bucks, but not knowing why, not even caring to find out,
that is dangerous, and they catch the poors and vulnerable to do their durty work, that is low
for a human been to manipulate the masses,
MATA, nobody can say that FA is not full of surprises,
there is always something poppying up
when we least expect it,
bye
You guys are comical! So let me sum up what I think you’re saying, just for the sake of clarity: “He said he was a Marxist! Ahhhh! Don’t listen to his smooth talk about his opposition to Obama! He’s actually trying to destroy the world! Ahhh!!! He’s a genocidal maniac! Ahhhh!!! And worst of all, he really want’s you to vote for Obama!!! AHHHH!!!”
I think that sums it up about right. Wouldn’t you agree? 🙂
And just to comment on a couple of specific things in your comments above:
@MataHarley: Actually, I did answer that Utah Senator’s questions. Let me cut and paste it from the same blog post you cut and pasted his question from.
You may not like my answer, but saying that I “never answered that question” as you just did is simply incorrect. 🙁
But I am glad you two are reading my blog and facebook page, thanks. You guys are the only readers that blog has had in a while. That make you guys special. 🙂
@ilovebeeswarzone: You actually type out: “SO I presume that you will have no choice than to vote CONSERVATIVES”
You’ve got to be kidding me!
Just by way of a crude metaphorical analogy, if we were to say that Obama is like Benito Mussolini, then the Republican candidate would be Adolf Hitler. Now Italian fascism might be better than Nazism, but ehh, not really. I don’t think I’ll take either one. Voting Democrat or Republican just to get rid of the candidate of the other party is a waste of time. I want to depose of the fascists altogether. (And, no, I don’t want to exterminate them. I’m opposed to the death penalty.)
um hmmm…. challenged and the less than suave styles emerge. i.e. “AHHHH! “genocideal maniac”, “destroy the world” and other sundry condescending desperate hyperbole. You types really unravel easily, don’t you? Been here, done that recently with another I think you would have liked to stay in touch with. That one, however, thoroughly abused the posting privileges.. which are far more liberal than your bud, Social Worker, BTW…. and ended up getting himself 86’ed. Try not to do the same please. The rules are basic. No sock puppetry to beef up your personal opinion. There are other authors than me that just love to seek out the sock puppets. And no extremely foul and abusive language.
For the record, Thomas, I never mentioned “genocidal maniac”, nor anything close. What I merely said is that a vote for Obama gets you closer to your desired goals than a vote for a conservative. You can hardly argue that fact with any cogency.
Not surprising you don’t have a ton of traffic. And you’re welcome. I always like to know with whom I speak over the cyber net. Makes life a tad simpler.
Probably, in that simplistic sentence, there is little disagreement. I’m not much for the RINO’lite candidates anymore more than I am for the Dem moderate’lites either. I suspect that we split in complete opposite directions here. If both of us were to vote third party, they would be at opposite ends of the political philosophical spectrum based on our end goals.
Were both of us to hold our noses, you’d be voting for an Obama instead of a Bernie Sanders clone, and I’d be voting for a Romney instead of a Reagan clone.
That still leaves us a chasm too wide to traverse apart.
Nor did I ever say you wanted to exterminate anyone. Try not to dive off the deep end in a very shallow pool, please.
Thomas Rasmussen, you did not make a good sum up but it is funny,
same for me, I was kidding you, knowing you are not a CONSERVATIVE,
BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE AN AMERICAN THAT IS A REAL AMERICAN,
YOU MUST LET GO THOSE MARXIST DREAM OF BEING ANTI CAPITALIST,
AND TRYING TO RUIN THE RICH WHICH WORK HARDER THAN YOU TILL THE BEGINNING
OF AMERICA SPILLING THEIR BLOODS ALONG TO KEEP YOU FREE TO TODAY HAVE THE GAL TO WANT TO DISPOSEST THOSE RESPONSABLE TO BUILD THIS BEAUTIFULL AMERICA, THEY DESERVE ALL THEY HAVE MORE THAN YOU ALONG WITH ALL THOSE DEMONSTRATING LIKE UNDESERVING TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY,
don’t you and your crowd would be doing the same to gain your pitance, like the ancestors who first came to develop this land at the sweath of their whole body working laborers in hard condition
to open the road you drive on today, taking all for granted, your attitude is not AMERICAN,
and shame on you and the one that think alike
Technically Ms. Bees, I will disagree. For Thomas to not only hold his opinion, but express it, is very American to it’s core. That he is dissatisfied with our founding over two centuries ago doesn’t make him un American. Just dumber than dirt for not moving to Chavez’s Venzuela, or Castro’s Cuba, where he’d obviously be more content and have less dissidence in which to engage.
MATA yes you’re right, but those who want to change AMERICA don’t deserve it,
AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON hard work and bloodshed to get those of today who want to forget the beginning of their COUNTRY which carried all along the incredible story of those braves pionners
who are the first to open it, would turned in their graves to see, what so many have not been true to
what being an AMERICAN IS required of them,
they just decide to change it,
what poor slobs they have fell so low to even think like it.
there for do not deserve it,
@MataHarley: I was addressing both of you when I wrote that little summery (I wrote, “You guys are comical!” That’s both you and Bees.) And Bees wrote:
I summed this up with simply: “He’s a genocidal maniac! Ahhhh!!!” Now can that honestly be called “sundry condescending desperate hyperbole”, really? Or might Bees be the one “diving off the deep end in a very shallow pool” and I am merely tightening up his rather colorful verbiage? Or maybe your phrase “sundry condescending desperate hyperbole” is hyperbolic in itself? 🙂
You ask, “You types really unravel easily, don’t you?” Nope, not really. Actually, I’ve quite enjoyed myself here. But don’t worry I won’t abuse the posting privileges. Matter of fact I think this will be my last comment here. I have other plans for this evening and tomorrow I be on to other business. And I don’t plan to try crossing that Grand Canyon sized chasm you mention. I prefer to just say hello every once in a while, and thank you for being on your side of the Grand Canyon and not on my side. No, but seriously, as I mentioned above you guys really do a good service for us Marxists, and I know you guys don’t get enough recognition for that service. So I’d like to just encourage you, and thank you. Keep up the good work. 🙂
One last point before I go for the evening. You say, “Were both of us to hold our noses, you’d be voting for an Obama instead of a Bernie Sanders clone, and I’d be voting for a Romney instead of a Reagan clone.” You’re wrong. You can do what you want, but I’m not voting for Obama. Nope, I’ll likely be voting for Stewart Alexander, who I believe just got the nomination for president on the Socialist Party ticket. Of course he’s not going to win, but then I don’t put much value in elections. When the de facto choices are only between the two big capitalist parties I’ll take my politics outside of the ballot box thank you.
… last desperate gasps of a pathetic minority. LOL
Thomas Rasmussen,
you know what I was trying to make you understand by saying how dangerous your MARXIST
could do to this AMERICA,
the consequences to be leading a group of youth who don’t understand the full danger of trying to change
AMERICA,
that is why I put it to the end, awful pattern of what possibility arise if those restriction
continue also from an immature leader, which fail to see the future dangers,
just look at the crowd gathering in those spaces, they are being led by dangerous leader to show what they can do, how much they can use them to lead them to the trouble that some of them being arrested will have to carry on their future quest to the job market,
you leaders have no way to deal with the current felons, and try to raise the number by pushing those rally, where you don’t show any concern about possible hurt for the some of them,
you show no respect no worry for the officer of the law left to do the nasty and dangerous job of keeping the law, that rally organise by the group in leadership has faied, and the consequences will be on the concience of those organiser, but the youths arrested will carry the failiure of that rally instead.
so when you want to change AMERICA LIKE OBAMA SAID, think further, unless you don’t have anY skill of VISION OF AFTERMATH OF A LEADER DECISION which is not good for A NATION LIKE AMERICA,
The Economic Freedom channel from the Charles Koch Institute has three videos up.
Episode One: Economic Freedom & Quality of Life
Episode Two: Economic Freedom in America Today
and
How to Create a Job: Creating Value, Not Just Work
They are all available here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/EconFree#p/a/u/1/qbvVJOe-JGs
The readers here are FA should see all of them.
Any ”Occupier” would also benefit from seeing any one of them.
Nan G ,HI,
You always dig hard to find the intelligent link for us to check in,
that is a good way to seek betterness, in dark situations, specialy when
no AMERICANS CAN DEPEND ON A WISDOM OF HIS FAILED PRESIDENT,
WHICH IS TRYING SO HARD TO RECOVER FROM THE DOWNWARD ESCALATING CHARIOT
TO THE PRECIPICE, WHERE HE CANNOT EVER RISE AGAIN.
thank you
Joann Mor has found more and more White House/Occupy Wall Street connections.
Her blog post is here:
http://www.blogster.com/joannemor/occupy-wall-st-orchestrated-not-in-the-street-but-in-the-white-house
Some of her findings:
ACORN:
Steve Lerner, former ACORN boss.
Lerner has visited the White House numerous times, as well as keeping an active roll in ACORN.
Wade Rathe is involved in the organizing, both here and abroad.
Not only is Rathke founder/head of ACORN International, but he is organizing the overseas arms as well.
Maude Hurd, of ACORN fame made her presence known in the Boston protests this past week.
Weather Underground:
Bill Ayers has posted the Occupy Wall Street statement.
Drummond Pike.
White House:
Patrick Gaspard still works in the White House. He is ACORN’s man inside.
She includes many links to everything here and more.
Whats sad, and I mean really sad is that O’Riely cannot or will not see it. Is he really that ignorant? Or just waiting for more Americans to see it and then make the switch? He always talks about how he is a history nut, yet cannot see what has happened in other countries is now happening here, and has been for decades. Or is he one of those positive thinkers like the ones who stayed on the sinking ship, exclaiming “This ship was built not to sink! We are too good and noble for that!”
Gary G. Swenchonis
hi,
It might be both, when he doesn.t want to get in the subject he play dumb,
bye
@Thomas Rasmussen: You said:
Gee, you would think that someone who has all the answers would have a HUGE readership…
Cost to post at FA, zero dollars.
Bragging on FA about no one reading your blog – priceless.
*snicker*