Debt Worries Spreading in Europe and Beyond

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And the next Socialist domino is set to fall:

There have been some rumbles about Italy for a while.  Italy’s budget deficits are relatively modest compared to, say, Ireland, but their debt is about 120% of GDP. The government has passed a plan that will balance the budget by 2014, but as with most such plans, most of the cutting comes later, while the current cuts are small.  This may well be sensible fiscal policy, given the current economic climate, but it is not reassuring to the markets.  Mike Shedlock estimates that Italy needs to borrow about €356 billion ($500 billion) in 2011 to cover its deficit, and roll over outstanding debt.  Their 10-years are now trading at something north of 5%.  Most of the estimates I’ve seen say that a debt death spiral becomes likely when rates hit somewhere between 6-7%, because the debt service costs start blowing up the budget deficits.

If Italy goes, it’s not clear that the rest of Europe can save them.  In the FT, Neil Dennis says people are talking about doubling the euro bailout fund to €1.5 trillion–or about three times the size of TARP.  And you may have noticed that the bailout fund has not actually stopped Greece’s descent into debt madness.  Italy’s public debt is not much smaller than Germany’s, even though the latter obviously has a much bigger (and richer) economy.  In the event that things really go south on the Italian peninsula, I don’t think there’s enough money in the rest of Europe to provide a rescue package.

Meanwhile, conditions in the other PIIGSs are worsening.  European leaders seem to be giving up on the notion of some sort of voluntary debt swap after the ratings agencies noted that they would be forced to call this what it is: a default.  Since the Greek debt load does not seem to be in any way sustainable, they’re going to have to do something.  Riots in Athens seem to be making it increasingly clear that over the long term, “something” is not going to be indefinitely decreasing their government consumption in order to make debt service payments.  That leaves making bondholders take some sort of a haircut, aka default.  It sounds as if the continent’s financial leaders are starting to decide that if Greece’s only option is some kind of default, they might as well bite the bullet and do the thing.

This will not be pretty.  For starters, if they default, but stay in the euro, then unless really considerable aid is forthcoming from the rest of Europe, they’re going to lose most of the advantages of the euro (low debt premium) while retaining the disadvantages (excessively tight monetary policy for a country that is going to be experiencing capital flight and even deeper recession).  Countries like Argentina got at least some tourism and export boost from very cheap prices after they defaulted and went off their currency peg; Greece won’t even get that if the euro remains at an ouchy 1.4 to the dollar.  (If it doesn’t remain there, but instead sinks . . . well, that means the euro zone will be having all sorts of other problems.  More on which in a minute.)

They have a chart on the article which shows how interconnected all the banks from the US, Europe and Japan are which means….once a top 10 economy like Italy goes down there will be deep trouble ahead for the rest of Europe’s and US banks. We are in some pretty deep trouble here.

As for Greece:

BRUSSELS -(Dow Jones)- Euro-zone finance ministers have taken a break in their meeting in Brussels, after discussions revealed that a proposal mapped out for private-sector participation in Greece’s next bailout may face impossible hurdles.

The ministers will reconvene after meeting with their countries’ delegates.

In a June 19 Luxembourg meeting, leaders agreed on private-sector participation in the rescue, so long as it is voluntary, substantial and wouldn’t result in selective default.

“The voluntary participation is not going forward,” said one euro-zone official. “It’s over.”

…At the heart of the issue: Credit-rating companies have made clear that any significant effort to make private creditors feel pain would be treated as a debt default by Greece. Most top officials–chief among them European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet–have said letting that happen is unacceptable. However, many officials doubt the ECB would precipitate a banking crisis in Greece by rejecting government debt as collateral.

That leaves Europe with a stark choice: Either make European taxpayers responsible for funding Greece indefinitely, or shift some of the burden to private creditors and suffer a debt default.

Want some more good news from the world markets?

China’s debt is rising as fast as the US– 40% since early 2009 according to Edward Chancellor of the Financial Times, whose column today; “China’s bad debts a cause for concern” is my top pick for must reading. Why? Because while everyone focused on Europe’s debt contagion or calamity. Chancellor quotes Credit Suisse as warning that “Chinese credit growth has reached the critical level that has previously anticipated sudden downturns in other countries.” A great deal depends on China’s ability deal with a raft of non-performing loans without it triggering a sharp economic downturn. Chancellor asks why markets are not more concerned.

It doesn’t end there:

Spanish Budget Gap Adds to Worries

MADRID—The new leader of Spain’s Castilla La Mancha region said on Monday that it has a budget deficit more than twice as large as had previously been thought, raising new concerns over the true state of regional finances and helping to send Spain’s risk premium to records.

If Spain goes over the cliff so does Italy and there is nothing anyone can do about it. No rescue plan would be sustainable.

Trouble ahead folks.

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Yet, the dinosaurs continue to graze and exclaim: “Is this The Life, or what?”

‘Scuse me, time to see Casey Anthony’s new hairdo…

How long can you borrow without paying back? Who loses when you don’t pay back the person/entity who loaned the money? Is it a write off of gargantuan proportions (and still a LOSS to SOMEONE )or is it a suck it up deal? Talking about money in the billions and now trillions is starting to sound like chump change they way they throw around that word.

So the rumors from Europe are that some are saying they’ll have to firewall by reintroducing gold backed currencies.

Failed experiments all! Yet here we have a President who “can do it better” than they did espousing the very policies that are destroying Western Europe and for that matter all Socialist states! Reads like a GRIM (one m so as not to insult the Brothers Grimm) fairy tale yet in fact it is the horror story and real!

When anarchy breaks out worldwide, I will feel sorry most for my children and grandchild. I have already advised my children to arm themselves.

What, me worry?

Angry people with guns are where anarchy usually comes from.

There are only 3 major credit rating services on earth…..Moody’s, Standard & Poor’s and Fitch Ratings.
In April Standard & Poor’s placed the U.S. rating on negative outlook, which means a downgrade is likely in 12-18 months.
Moody’s Investors Service warned on Wednesday (July 13) that IF the US does not make its debt payments it will lose its top-notch credit rating (AAA) in the next few weeks.
Fitch promised to cut the U.S. ratings to “restricted default” after a few missed debt payments.

Are these credit raters doing Obama’s dirty work for him>
Obama knows the USA doesn’t have to miss any payments to bond holders.
He’s just messing with the American people so they will get scared and call their representatives.
We are NOT fooled.
Just like the left-leaning media doesn’t fool us.

French commissioner Viviane Reding said the three AMERICAN ratings agencies’ were a “cartel” and should be “smashed up” as they were seeking to determine the fate of Europe and its single currency.

Could it be?

Nan G,
hi, I have to say it, your knowledge as no borders,
it’s always interesting to read you, because you are so informed,
thank you

Wilson
hi,
we have to make a difference there,
not all people who hold guns are angry, as a matter of facts
you can see more happy and responsible satisfied people within those having guns, than other ,
but they don’t brag about it, and they don’t show their gun, and if they show it it’s because they are in a public place and know they can protect the public from where you always find your kind of loonies with gun hoping to start troubles
LIKE a mob of owls or occupiers where they love to mingle with because that is where ANARCHY BEGIN.
bye

the PRESIDENT SPOKE OF HIS HEARTBROKEN ABOUT THE 13 KILLED,;
what about the AMERICANS killed in cowardly shot in the back for some by afghans they have trained to be soldiers, and another is a policeman, and two more of we don’t know how but murdered same way,
don’t they have to pay for that? AMERICA IS HEARTBROKEN FOR THOSE BRAVES DEATHS AND WANT THE MURDERERS PAY FOR IT, FIRST THING FIRST, DON’T YOU TRY TO JUMP THE GUN
and think we will forget on this one, no matter what else come up.
on another subject, in AMERICA WE HAVE ALSO RARE EARTH, you just have to get it out to make batteries, that mean more jobs for the PEOPLE,
no need to buy it from CHINA,

what where the first PIONEERS DOING when the chips where down,, when the weather where burning the crops, when the rivers rise out of their bed, when the fire burned their house
what did they do? wel you let GREECE fix their own problem, you let the lazys tend for themselves,
you focus on your own solutions, you eat one meal instead of 3, you get of your ass and go hunting for food,
you get of your ass and rebuilt the house, you put your rubber boot on and buid a dam against
the river bed, you use the saved chips you need to buy only the survival basic, you load your gun to shoot the predators in their ass. you focus on your own, until you’re out of it,