Democrats love democracy until they are not in control. Then democracy is unfair.
Legislators in Wisconsin have left the state in order to stymie the process of a democratically elected government. The hate that has spewed from Democrats is breathtaking. Union members have even called for the death of Governor Scott Walker and signs showing Walker in a cross hairs are displayed. Difficult financial times have pierced the veneer of civility that unions and left wingers would have you think was normal.
It’s not normal. Under that veneer lurks the most vile of character. The hate, the threats, the bullying thuggery- this is the true personality of unions. Shared sacrifice means nothing to them. They shriek and revolt at the possibility of doing with a little less but not for one second are they hesitant to force the taxpayer to do with less. They cling to the necks of the taxpayers with vampiric tenacity, ever ready to drain the victims entirely.
No one should ever mistake unions as being civil, whether they drops bags of cement on buses or stomp on private property and terrorize teenagers.
Obama and Nancy Pelosi have made clear their support to this insurrection.
Teachers in Wisconsin are hardly impoverished. The average salary and benefit package for teachers in Wisconsin is worth more than $100,000 per year.
Teachers abandoned their jobs to participate in the protests and probably will want to be paid for their time.
The appearance of a race baiting demagogue will almost certainly see the overwhelmingly white protest crowd portrayed as racial victims.
Desertion seems to the main course at La Casa Wisconsin. Democrat legislators, facing certain defeat from Republicans hell bent on being financially responsible fled the state, preventing a vote in the Wisconsin State Senate. One of the escapees who ripped apart the democratic process, tore the state apart and shut down the government, Sen. Joe Erpenbach (D-Stupid) said this:
“That really, truly is up to the governor,” he told The Associated Press in an interview Friday at a downtown Chicago hotel. “It’s his responsibility to bring the state together. The state is not unified. It is totally torn apart.”
Governor Scott Walker would like nothing better than to bring the state together, but it was the idiot Democrats who left the state. Walker has dispatched the State Police to retrieve the truants.
Erpenbach compounded his disingenuousness.
“We all didn’t want to do this. I didn’t want to do this,” he added. “The only other option we had to slow things down, was to leave.”
They have also indicated that they are prepared to stay away for weeks. As of 2009 Wisconsin legislators were paid $49,000 per year. Presumably, they are not paid to play hooky in Chicago hotels.
Why was it necessary to “slow things down”? Voters gave Republicans a 19-14 edge in the Wisconsin Senate and republican democracy was working according to the state Constitution.
The truth is that Wisconsin teachers are derelict and Wisconsin democrats have violated their oaths of office. Wisconsin teachers have thrown students over for their own avarice. Wisconsin democrats are subverting democracy. They are trampling the rights of the voters.
It is sedition.
There was a vote and democrats ignore it. The people spoke but democrats are deaf to them. They have no right to “slow things down” for weeks. It’s not part of the job description.
Governor Walker ought to channel Ronald Reagan and declare their seats vacant and hold immediate elections to replace them and if teachers abandon their students again they too should be shown the door. This sad episode proves that democrats have no use for democracy when it doesn’t serve their aspirations and further proves that unions could not give a tinker’s damn about the general good.
Enough.
Update: Teacher strikes are illegal in Wisconsin but a judge won’t enforce the law.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
@Old Trooper2: Fine. I trust you can’t buy whiskey then! Or think that black people are 3/5 of a white….
The point of amending the Constitution is to render certain parts of it null and void for good reason. We don’t have slaves any more, thanks to the Constitution. And this blog exists because the First Amendment forced the Feds to recognize that speech must be protected…. etc.
Sigh.
@Old Trooper2: Well, they get a chance to establish that they shouldn’t be deported. Not everyone accused of a crime is a criminal or is guilty. Not everyone who is put into removal proceedings is removable or should be. THAT is due process, and that is what I help provide.
@Old Trooper2: Here’s an example of what I do. Guy comes to the US from, oh, say, Croatia. He arrives legally with an F-1 Student visa. He marries a US Citizen. He comes home six months after his marriage and finds another man in his bed humping his wife. He grabs the guy, throws him out. The wife calls police, he pulls phone out of wall. The police come anyway. He’s arrested, charged with “domestic violence” (never touched the wife, but pulling phone out of wall during domestic argument is “domestic violence” in this state). After he is released from jail he is arrested by immigration and put into proceedings. This latter process takes 2 years.
Wife 1 divorces him. He remarries another US Citizen. They have a child. In the mean time, he goes in front of an immigration judge–he’s guilty of “domestic violence” (remember the phone?) and thus should be deported. I file papers to show that he is married to another US Citizen and they have a child on the way. This allows him to get a marriage green card from Wife #2. He stays in the US with a green card through Wife #2. Oh, BTW, Wife #2 has kids by a prior husband who pays no child support. Immigrant thus stays with Wife #2 and raises their baby plus two of hers from her first marriage.
And there ain’t no way in hell that the immigrant in our scenario could possibly have done this without a lawyer. If you think I’m evil for doing this, well, … what can I say.
Mr. Kent: (One of the potentially thousands who post here.)
Immigration lawyers are essential, and needed for the very reasons you laid out. This fact has nothing to do with anything I said. Again, it is a straw-man.
-My point was, that your profession means little in these parts, just as mine does not.
Knowing my “real name” also has nothing to do with anything. Had you known my real name, would you have changed any of your responses? Would you have still ignored the counter-posit I posted? Would you have “taken me seriously”?
I submit that you would not have responded any different than you did, and if you did, you would have merely found a different straw-man to deflect with.
In yet another strawman, you posit that I; “[B]lame Moslems for the breakup of Yugoslavia”….Please stop putting words in my fingers. It makes you look as smart as you are humble. The fact that you put quotes around the words I never said, is pathetic and weak.
Why do you assume I’m putting words in your mouth? My words are my own.
By accusing me of putting words in your mouth when I’m not just shows you’re full of shit.
Knock yourself out. And continue to converse with yourself. Enjoy your echo chamber.
Wow.
Because you put quotes around what you claimed I said. Twice.
Say it slowly with me now…
Cog ni tive diss o nance
Ok, Mr. ESQ…what makes You think that what You happen to do for a living when You are not Trolling at FA makes a rats rump to Me? If Your busy making a living, Why are You trolling Here.
I don’t need Your services. Why don’t You take out an Ad?
I am very familiar with the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, US Code and the UCMJ as well.
I do not need Legal Advice or Opinions from You but Your Off topic rambling got You the attention that You seem to need. Congratulations! If You think that I will respond to any more of Your witty comments,
Guess again.
Richard L. Kent, Esq, yes now we can conclude opinion, and there is a wasp in the echo chamber,
she try to make us believe that she is a butterfly,
Richard L. Kent, Esq, can you do me a favor and enlight me as to who pay your salary,
or in your words who pay your fees?
@Miss Beez
Because “ilovebeeswarzone” is not your real-name, he won’t; “take you seriously”. 😉
With regards,
SO-2 Patvann, MME, MEE, General Contractor.
Let da ESQ ponder SO-2 for the rest of the Month. Obnoxious tone on him anyway.
“Can I Buy Whiskey?” Yup but the rascal can buy his Own Drinks.
MR. Kent, I don’t know if you lurk here often but if you do you’ll understand why we are a bit skeptical when certain posters claims one thing then take what seems to be a contradictory position. We’ve had our fair share of imposters and those confused as to what political classification their views fall under.
I don’t think anyone here wants to stop the protests in WI as that would be a denial of a right. Why you thought their protest was the same as the Tea Party protests though, is beyond me. Like I said, do some research on what is being done by the protestors, their organizers, and why it’s all being done. Perhaps then you will see why someone claiming to be a Conservative was looked at with suspicion for their view on the protests.
The term ‘sedition’ is, of course, very much correct. This republic we live in was designed so that the government SERVED the people, not ruled them. In the case of Wisconsin, the governor is seeking changes that give the people back some of the control over their government and its employees that has been lost to the machinations of special interests.
It is not only the right of the people, to control their government, AND that includes the wages and compensation of those who work for them, but any effort on the part of those those who serve, to fight back and attempt to wrest control from the people (or their chosen representatives) is TRULY the very definition of ‘sedition’ if not a host of other fine words with not so fine connotations.
weholdthesetruths, hi, thank you for this info, very appropriate timing,
Let’s be clear. Here’s one definition from West’s Encyclopedia of American Law, “Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the First Amendment, prosecutions for sedition are rare. Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (1948), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy, and 18 U.S.C.A. § 2385 (1948), which outlaws advocating the overthrow of the federal government by force. Generally, a person may be punished for sedition only when he or she makes statements that create a clear and present danger to rights that the government may lawfully protect (Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).”
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/sedition#ixzz1Edj1luym
So, explain to us again how wisconsin citizens protesting a governor’s inflexibility is seditious? This is not about the money nor about overthrowing a king. Governor Walker also has responsibilities to the citizens he represents. It isn’t a one way street.
It is humorous to watch as you conservatives tear at each other though. glad to have found this blog.
*snif*
Did somebody just fart?
Blackiris, you should have been clearer as saying the unionnise citizens, because
the GOVERNER WALKER, was elected by the citizens to follow that mandate,
he did not give you a surprise package,
Hey B-Iris, why don’t you declare, ” We will bury you!” That worked so well for the last group that did that.
I mean, if you get the chance as you are too busy burying yourselves. Hahahahaha!
Blackiris, It’s not like you’v been fired, It’s to get you to pay some not all
but a small part of your contribution, the WISCONSIN is still paying on the big chunk,
why do you guys expect a free load while the other non unionnyse pay in full,
and your paycheck is a lot bigger than other, what’s your beef about that?
you want to keep your job? well take your responsability and pay your share
and be happy to have a job, have you all in there been blind or deft to what the people
outside your house are going through while you guys play bullyes to intimidates others
to think only to you and not to the others?, you better change your attitude and get informed
and thank the LORD to have your job, YOU ALL are not above the law, check it up
Personal attacks now that’s productive. Yet you don’t answer the question.
Fact is all of you have the misconception that the unions aren’t paying their fair share. Actually, if you are keeping informed on the topic, the unions did make concessions last year and significantly contribute to the betterment of the communities they serve.
I’m not pro union but believe that the issue is more than simply about a budget shortfall. This is an attack aimed at the middle class. Unfortunate you will be blindsided when it affects you.
Although none of you seem to be interested in facts I give you this to inform http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/this_goes_far_beyond_wisconsin.html
I don’t know if I would classify it as sedition. It is certainly a dereliction of duty on the part of the WI state senators and I seem to remember back in my military days that a charge of dereliction of duty could be truly serious and damaging to one’s career.
As for blackiris, you cannot use a federal statute, or code, as any sort of definition for an act against a single state. Wisconsin has it’s own statutes, and in the case of Sedition, it is 946.03. Wisconsin defines sedition against the state always by “the use of physical violence” in the overthrow of the state government. A more appropriate charge, using Wisconsin’s own statutes, the derelict state senators are most definitely in violation of 946.12 (Misconduct in Public Office) which happens to be a Class I felony in Wisconsin. They also might very well be in violation of 946.17 (Corrupt means to Influence legislation, disclosure of interest) depending on who is footing the bill for their “vacation” in Illinois. This is a Class A misdemeanor. Even the misdemeanor charge carries a possible $10k fine and 9 months imprisonment if convicted. Both are likely to be looked at very seriously by the governor’s office in response to the actions of those Wisconsin state senators. So……………as you stated, ” Gov. Walker also has responsibilities to the citizens he represents”. I’d say that charging them with one or both of the above mentioned falls under that, don’t you?
I’ve read the Post column.
Yup, that’s what we’re doing. (no sarc)…Attempting to save the middle class who pay the salaries and bennies of the state-workers, and attempting to level the unfair “influence-ground” they have over the politicians. Yes, corporations like Goldman Sachs and GM need to be cut-off as well, but they’re already in the pocket of the Dems, aren’t they?
ya think that’s what this is about? you will be sad when they come after your pensions and benefits. And, none of the fatcats are good with me. they all need to become real corporate citizens and pay their fair share for a change. none of us would be here today in this depression that is, if it weren’t for the fact that the tax system is fatally flawed. of course, the conservative fringe wouldn’t want to deal with the real problem would it??
Really now, blackiris… serious chutzpah. About all 15.2 to 15.8% of Wisconsin workers are union members per the BLS in 2010. While they don’t breakdown the public vs private sector union members, the public, government employee union members now outnumber the private union members. If we roughly carry over this 51% public union member majority over to WI’s figures, a little over 8%, and their imported pay-to-play union thugs, are dictating to 92% of that state’s employees… demanding higher than national or private sector wages and benefits born on the backs of others.
The BLS estimates that about 11% of the entire US workforce is a union member. So there’s a relatively small minority of those who will be waiting for government to “be coming” after their pensions.
Now maybe you’re not so hot in math… which probably makes you a government union worker. But have you figured out that you’re part of a small minority of the total employees in this nation, and you’ve got some big balls to be dictating to the US taxpayer that we pay all your salaries and pensions in these economic times?
Carry your own load. We have enough burden keeping above water ourselves.
Good grief… how did this escalate. Oh yes, I know… “seditious”. IMHO, not even close to reality. 1st Amendment rights clearly allow for protests. While it’s extremely distasteful for a POTUS to join in the fray, infringing on States’ rights, it’s not seditious. Nor is it seditious for the DNC, Organizing for America or anyone else to join in the protests.
We do still have a 1st Amendment, yes? And that Amendment is *most* important for opinions we disagree with.
As for the wayward, cowering in low rent hotels, state Dem legislators, it appears the new political “entitlement” is *irresponsibility*. For all the charges of obstructionism that Dems have leveled against a minority GOP in Congress, this is perhaps the most perfect example of “obstructionist” that could be had. I’m glad the Dems decided to wear their own union label, proudly and overtly.
Put me on the side of Aye. Let ’em roll. The more teachers boldly play the system with corrupt physicians in broad daylight, and before media cameras, just to keep their cushy jobs and screw the private sector and taxpayers, the more public opinion turns against them. They are already running behind in support, and with each day of organized whining, Walker support grows.
Considering the low percentage of union employees in this nation – both public and private – this coddling of a “gimme gimme” mentality, not to mention at the price of Wisconsin school kids, will come back to haunt them in ways they will not expect from voters. They herald this as a legal protest for the working man – while simultaneously screwing that same private working man. The citizens are not unaware of this, and need to be reminded at every turn who’s on the losing end of the union protest deals.
As Aye said… let ’em have as much rope as they want. Please… let this cascade to more states, I beg you.
The line in the sand has been drawn, and the Dems have shown their irresponsibility both to taxpayers, their elected offices, and the union members have shown the depths to which they dive to create a scene.
Yep… pass ’em more of the air line so they can go even deeper in their dive. But they seem not to care their oxygen is running out.
Seditious? Inappropriate and overhyped view. Organized dissent and the 1st Amendment is not seditious. It’s a Constitutional right. To label it anything but is an insult to all political grassroots movements, and to the foundation of our country.
The MIA state legislators? Even as @Nan G points out, at best it can be elevated to a Class I felony… a fine of not more than $10K and jail time no more than 3-1/2 years. There’s a few other crimes that fall into that category, like check fraud over $2500, battery, even certain levels of graffitti.
In case it’s not obvious, that falls far short of sedition.
One doesn’t need to overhype the facts, and doing so just paints loonies on the right to be no better than loonies on the left. Too bad some cannot appreciate the political cemetary plot both the unions and Dems are digging for themselves. I sure can, right along with Aye Chi. Best thing to ever happen. Now, without it being disguised – indeed, “celebrated” by a media with distorted views and an agenda – the nation will easily see just who will be supporting such a small minority of US workers and their unions, financially running roughshod over the majority taxpayer in order to pay for their continued benefits and salaries.
Let the games continue. I’m loving it.
MATA, just perfect
Now B-Iris is whining about personal atacks when I made none. This from the person who said “we will crush you.”
I think I was rather clear that I wasn’t against the protesting as it is their right. I simply don’t support their position.
BTW, just saw a video of IWW, SDS, and other socialist/communists protesting. Lo and behold they had a notebook sized piece of cardboard taped up that said “Media Talking Points.”
One of the talking points? This is an attack on the middle class. B-Iris, the only one blind to the outside world is you and you’re going to learn that the hard way…if you’re capable of learning.
now who gave me the 2 dislike on my 69,
make yourself heard and why’s that
rinpochet says it best.
Mataharley, you said : “Good grief… how did this escalate. Oh yes, I know… “seditious”. IMHO, not even close to reality. 1st Amendment rights clearly allow for protests. While it’s extremely distasteful for a POTUS to join in the fray, infringing on States’ rights, it’s not seditious. Nor is it seditious for the DNC, Organizing for America or anyone else to join in the protests.”
The first Amendment protects the PEOPLE. Sedition is an effort to wrest power from those who are in the postion of power.
The First Amendment says that the PEOPLE can protest their government. But that’s not what’s going on.
THE GOVERNMENT IS PROTESTING THE PEOPLE. That’s right. GOVERNMENT employees are attempting to deny the power of the people OVER THEM.
It is the PEOPLE who are those rightfully in charge, and it is the GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES who are attempting to block them. Yes, it is sedition.
The government is NOT protected from the people, the government HAS NO RIGHT TO OBJECT to the people’s rule. Period. State employees can grumble in public all the want about the pay of public office… When they organize to forcibly extract what they want from the people… IT IS SEDITION.
Bizarre way to look at it, weholdthesetruths. The individual public sector employees are not “the government”. They are exercising their rights as citizens, who work for the public sector, to redress their grievances, as the 1st Amendment allows. They are not “wresting power” from anyone, because the power still lies in the hands of Walker and the state legislature. You’re turning a pot hole into the Grand Canyon with your analogy.
Also your, and drj’s, definitions of sedition are somewhat skewed. Possibly because of your choice of dictionaries. As LectLaw notes, sedition in the legal sense is:
They are not “aiming” at “open violence against the laws”, nor is there any “subversion of the Constitution” going on. They are protesting within lawful authority.
Now, if they were “Egytians”, demanding that Walker turn Wisconsin control over to martial law, and dismantling the State’s Constitution, I might agree with you.
To your first sentence, blackiris, we’re not terribly open to parroted propaganda and talking points headlines with no truth to them. If you go back and read some of the links I pointed out in my previous comments INRE the “there is no budget shortfall”, you’d realize that you’ve been duped by political talking heads.
But no.. you and your equally duped bud, rinpocet on Huffpo still suffer under the delusions that corporations pay no taxes or, indeed, seem clueless to just what a corporation is. They make money for shareholders. Individual employees of the corporations are subject to personal taxes and to capital gains. Many of those shareholders who they make money for are union pensioners and 401K owners. But to you two, “corporations” are some mystery individual like Howard Hughes. Embarrassing…. Your socialist DSA ‘tudes really ring hollow in this nation. Are you sure you wouldn’t be happier in Venezuela?
To your second sentence, INRE the “like/dislike”, I’ve already registered my personal opinion on that with the blog owner, Curt. I don’t like it either. I tend to think it may make people shy about commenting for fear of public disapproval. I had to laugh at Ms Bees demand, asking who hit the two “dislikes” on her button. LOL Bees, of course, wouldn’t take it that serious. But there are others who may wish to say what they want, without a forum poll going on.
But then I’m only one person here. Curt just started that feature up, and it’s still in the test stages. It will be his decision to keep it going, or just go back to not having that as a new blog feature. But on that single issue, we have agreement.
weholdthesetruths, yes It make sense, IT’s the people who are suppose to take charge,
and that is what they decide when they vote for GOVERNER WALKER,
now that is what he is doing, and he is doing a great job, thank you
Governor Walker is the guilty party in his unwillingness to negotiate. The MIA Senators felt they had no other choice. Governor Walker’s responsibility is to the citizens and not to the Koch brothers.
To which citizens, blackiris? The 8 or so percent of disgruntled public union employees? Or the 92% of those that pay their wages and benefits?
Too tough of math for you?
Walker is doing exactly as he promised on the campaign trail, just as the legislators did. For those promises, Wisconsin swept them into office. Stop whining that such a small percentage will not get their ways in life paid by everyone else. Carry your own load, as I said before.
Blackiris I check your link and Huffington is uninteresting, uninterested wih your problem or any other,
you have a far better chance to get educated right here, I say it, and our thousans of reader say it too,
Koch Brothers?, Oh Boy You are into some serious Kool Aid now!
I’ll bet that came from Your Last meeting with the Union Bosses. Do You have a sense of Individual reasoning or are You truly that easily led?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/20/AR2011022003201.html
The Wisconsin Governor is being Proactive while Poor Blackiris missed the Big Picture.
Pension?
Benefits?
I don’t have either, nor will I ever. I stopped thinking about receiving SS many years ago…
I did this really strange thing, foreign to Progressive drones such as Iris…
I started my own business(es), worked at struggling start-ups, and saved and invested MY OWN money!
(I know, weird huh?)
@ilovebeeswarzone: You are the one who needs some education. So sad it’s obvious you live under a rock.
@Old Trooper2: Actually you miss the big picture. Most likely haven’t been around long enough to understand the big picture or if you have it’s been at the tet of Rush. Oh well.
@blackiris: You would be surprised. You actually are as short sighted as I implied then. Good Luck!
Blackiris yes the rock but over not under, and it’s more secure and solid than yours,
don’t be so sad.
@MataHarley: There are more than 8% of the Wisconsin citizenry concerned about Governor Walker’s tactics. He needs to display governance. In the “flat land” as we are called I see a similar attitude from a local school superintendent and it is disgusting. Nobody in public office should believe that unilateral action is okay. We are founded upon democratic principles yet are being led by the few. You just don’t get it.
The wealthy are getting richer while the rest of us struggle. It’s not getting better for the majority of us.
BTW you are all mistaken that I am a union member. You don’t even know who I am yet base your opinion of me solely upon my comments? What does that say about you?
blackiris, Walker is displaying exactly the governance that he campaigned on, and was voted in on. Just as the WI legislators also were voted in on. As I pointed in polls on my links in a previous post, the majority of not only WI citizens, but national polls show you are erroneous in your less than subtle assertions of support of this street display of selfishness and irresponsibility.
But hey… like I said… keep going. Dig and dive a little deeper. And you say *I* don’t get it? Well, my dear… I’ll be laughing all the way to the next election box.
As for the rest of your social justice “wealthy getting richer while the rest of us struggle”… what makes you think that most of us here aren’t just like you? Do you think most of us are independently wealthy, and do not work for a living? So, to paraphrase you, just “what does that say about you?” I ask.
The difference between we who are struggling and conservative, and you who is struggling, is we don’t want to tear down others and their success in order to elevate ourselves. To remove their opportunity by spreading the wealth, is to remove our opportunity and incentive to create our own wealth. And your precious unions are the reason that most business are struggling and unable to compete globally.
And I might add, we conservatives have more pride and independence than to scream in the streets for more taxpayer handouts.
@Patvann: I applaud you.
Blackiris, I’m the one who took you for a union tug, because you came in first like one of the bullies,
nice to see you calm down
Hey blackiris the more you debate with intelligent people the more you are going to need to read & research. Socialist doctrine is flawed fundamentally, I know because I was taught it in school and renounced it upon getting older; after much research. People do best when they think outside the box. I know this to be true.
@ blackiris, You are just so short sighted that it amazes me! This is a National Problem, not just Wisconsin.
I am in Europe right now and they are facing the same Budget issues as well. We Borrowed and Spent the Nation into a Huge Rut. There must be Budgetary Reconciliations in Every State. You must get off of that Free Ice Cream mode. Someone Pays for it.
Over Regulation, Government Over Reach and Tax and Spend dug the Hole!
The Class Warfare crap that You reference is NO answer, It is in the way of recovery Nation Wide.
I probably pay more in Taxes than what You can imagine and know that Union Bosses pay less.
You are stuck in an ERA that has run it’s course. Now We must sacrifice and pay the Bills.
mataharley… You said “
Redress of grievances? From whom? Grievance against whom?
The government? How can that be? They’re part of it. We have a right to petition our government, for the way it acts… and the way it acts… Is the behavior of those it employs. Goverment employees would petition… whom? Their pay and working conditions, etc, are determined by representatives of the people, so their ‘grievance’ is with the people, not themselves.
The government has no right to petition the people… or demand by refusing to act, the substance of the people.
@blackiris
Ignorance of the truth is why there are more than just the 8% who are concerned, however, Mata’s math is not wrong.
Governance is being displayed very well my Gov. Walker. The definition is simple, and easy to understand. I don’t think that it means what you believe it does.
Yes, we are founded upon democratic principles, and the wayward dems, in this case, are obstructing the application of it.
As for acting “unilaterally”, check the actions of the Obama WH and his lockstep congress from 08′-10′. If none of that fazed you then this shouldn’t even register a mild protest.
We, meaning Mata, OT2, myself and the rest of the conservative-minded here “get it” very well. Your indignation at the events in WI seem disingenuous at best considering the actions of the dems over the past decade or so.
JohnGalt, the idea that Blackiris would be in any way influenced by noting that he or she seems “disingenuous” is sort of laughable. Blackiris is impervious to reason, to logic, or even clear language. Probably just a paid troll, to try to disrupt thought, manufacture dissent. “Disingenuous” would probably be viewed as a compliment, rather than a condemnation of the writer’s thought processes.
Almost a year ago I found this chart about how Obama, when he can’t get his agenda through via the House and Senate, simply does an end run around the legislators, bypassing the legal process.
What Gov. Walker did was arrange to go through the legal process for his state, not bypass it.
Who is demanding the legal process now be ignored?
Dems and their supporters in the unions.
@Old Trooper2: If it’s about the budget why is Walker unwilling to accept the concessions offered? It’s about busting the union, just as was accomplished by your great American hero, “The Gipper”. We see the light.
Teachers should be exempt from collective bargaining rights while others are not? Sounds like an attempt to split union workers along red and blue lines, don’t ya think?
If it’s about the money Walker would have conceded by now. No one disputes the need for everyone to make concessions. Walker is a bully and is making none. This is the issue.
It’s not the first time that an elected official has gotten off course. When Walker decides to represent rather than dictate it will be over.
@Zac: I appreciate the feedback. I am not a socialist.
I am concerned. Look at history. 1933 Germany.