J Eric Fuller is getting a psych exam. Why didn’t Jared Loughner get one? [Reader Post]


Democrat Eric Fuller has a psychiatric evaluation on his schedule.

Fuller, wounded in the Tucson shooting, visited a “Town Hall” gathering In Tucson held by ABC News. The area Tea Party leader Trent Humphries was speaking when Fuller became agitated and threatened Humphries with death

Fuller then swiveled in his chair, raised his camera and took a photo of the pro-gun speaker, muttering, “You’re dead,” according to Joel Tranter, who was sitting behind him.

And he had a message for those in attendance:

As police officers approached to escort Fuller outside, he turned and shouted at the audience: “You whores!”

Before the Town Hall meeting began, Fuller was engaged in some self-promotion.

Fuller, age 63, is a political operative who specializes in gathering petitions for ballot initiatives. Before the program began, he passed out business cards to people sitting around him that read:
“Expediting Initiatives since 2006
“J. Eric Fuller
“Political Circulator.”

J. Eric Fuller made baseless accusations which were parroted by an unquestioning and incurious Politico:

One of the wounded in the Tucson, Ariz., shooting that left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords critically injured is blaming Sarah Palin, House Speaker John Boehner, Fox TV host Glenn Beck and former Nevada GOP Senate candidate Sharron Angle for the tragedy.

“It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target,” Eric Fuller said in an interview with Democracy NOW.

Fuller has an interesting history. A Navy vet, Fuller is described as being involved in practices which involve a separation from reality.

He apparently has some kind of fascination with hypnosis as revealed by his page on Hypnothoughts.com, “the fastest growing hypnosis community in the world.”

Fuller had voiced strong opinions in his online community:

I use extraordinary persuasive charisma to interest blase, apathetic, oblivious and at times hostile voters to listen to the voice of justice and consanguinity. My experiences encountering public figures and many affluent travelers in person has led me to believe that we all are to blame for George W. Bush.

Fuller’s page at Hypnothoughts.com has this under “About me”:

He lists his webpage as “thornking@msn.com” and a “thorn king” is listed on the Huffington Post.

Non-deep pocket with a lot of heart. Began life as a computer operator, military service leading to non-physical disability, unable to resume career, left main stream and lived in small towns for a decade studying library books and piano, moved into Tucson in 1994 and worked as a Chauffeur for most of 10 years, presented state-wide initiatives at libraries, worked elections, in ’09 worked at the Census Bureau as a field rep and a clerk. Non drinker for one year, non smoker for 40 years.

“Non-physical disability.” Does that mean mental disability? Hmmmmm.

Fuller paid a visit to the home of Jared Loughner’s parents on Friday

“So I thought I’d come over here and try to forgive them,” he said. “I know that sounds crazy.”

Jim Moret of Inside Edition asked Fuller why he went to the Loughner home:

“I wanted to start with an apology,” says Fuller

Moret asks, “Wait a minute, you want to apologize?”

Fuller responds, “Yes, because I said mean things about their son.”

Fuller had told reporters that Loughner was an “unhinged lunatic.” Loughner’s parents never came out to speak to Fuller.

So now Fuller has to undergo a mental evaluation as he threatened the life of Trent Humphries. That begs the question – Why wasn’t Jared Lougher order to undergo a psychiatric evaluation following the death threats he made?

Loughner made numerous death threats. The Pima County Sheriff’s not only knew about it, they assured the targets of those threats that Loughner was being well managed. Loughner purchased his Glock in November of 2010. That same month Loughner had two tattoos of 9 mm bullets placed on his shoulder. The person who placed the tattoo said of Loughner:

“That’s a Columbine candidate.”

It seems everyone in Tucson knew Loughner was a problem.

Except for Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

Now is good time to revisit Arizona gun laws. Among the prohibitions is this

– It is unlawful to sell or transfer a firearm to a “prohibited possessor.”

Under the definition of prohibited possessor one finds this:

A prohibited possessor includes a person found to constitute a danger to himself or others pursuant to a court order and whose court ordered treatment has not been terminated.

If Sheriff Clarence Dupnik had done his job and hauled Loughner to court for making death threats as has been done with Eric Fuller, Jared Loughner would not have been permitted to purchase a gun and Christina Green, Judge Roll and 4 others would be alive today.

Left wing media bias note: Christiane Amanpour and ABC News have scrubbed the Fuller threat from their report.

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Fuller comes across as potential assassin material himself. Failed, narcissistic, externalizing his own shortcomings, somewhat delusional, seeks to be important. And a restless mind. Not at peace with himself.

I hope I will always own my own failures. A reminder of that principle is the one good thing that might come out of this — “Fuller as Counter-Example.”

By the way, he was pretty spry for a man who was shot twice a few days before. Is it possible he was hit by small bullet fragments rather than whole bullets? Bullets will splash when fired straight into hard surfaces.

Regarding Dupnik the Disgrace — the guy has been reelected sheriff in Pima County since forever. I’m not sure what it would take to pry him out of office. Maybe this will do it — but then who will replace him? Another leftist hack? I wonder how many voters actually vote for sheriff at all, or know one candidate from another. I had no basis for choosing one candidate for sheriff over another in the last local election – I didn’t know anything about them.

Is anyone in Tucson SANE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, I had heard that ABC News allowed the threat to be heard when they aired the show, so I thought it would be a part of the fabric of the discussion.
But to learn that ABC News practiced ”Newspeak” (from the novel 1984) and tried to ”disappear” the incident from History is a shock.
I wonder, if we wait a month then ask people, if the truth will remain known or if the sanitized version will have over-ridden it successfully?
The lie – and the technique for propagating the lie – is almost a science in the dinosaur and mainstream media.

Spidie senses tingled quickly re Fuller. Wondering if he really had been hurt in the initial shooting.

From the Rightnetwork article by Jim Hoft:

On Saturday, Tucson tea party leader Trent Humphries was threatened during a live town hall meeting. The event was hosted by ABC. While Trent was speaking, an audience member, leftist Eric Fuller, screamed, “Trent Humphries, you’re dead!” Fuller was arrested and escorted from the meeting. On the way out the door, this leftist hero screamed again, “You’re all whores.”

From Amy Wang, Azcentral.com:

Fuller then swiveled in his chair, raised his camera and took a photo of the pro-gun speaker, muttering, “You’re dead,” according to Joel Tranter, who was sitting behind him.

Apparently it was a muttering scream.

So Greg, whether it was yelled or not, what difference does it make? He made the threat.

Mr. Loughner did not yell, “you’re dead” in public. Threats against me for being a local outspoken TEA partier have not been investigated by the sheriff’s department because in my state threats are not actionable. Apparently in AZ they are but when they are on My Space or other Internet sites, someone would usually have to report them. “Feeling threatened” reports, as from the college, would keep the police on the go continuously, so I doubt that would be enough to cause serious police concern; a report yes but they would not be usually pulled together unless there was a real incident.

Also when the US emptied our mental wards in the name of human rights, we did not replace them with community centers, I would say because of NIMBY concerns and of course money. So there is little recourse other than a criminal complaint. Whether we like the sheriff or not, Mr. Loughner doesn’t appear to have stepped over the threat line far enough to get serious attention.

Like I wrote, having been on the receiving end of threats I know the problem; whether I personally like the lack of action by our sheriff is a no, but I understand his hands are tied. The good old days of talking to the threat maker and warning him not to do it again becomes police harassment today. Unfortunately, I get a double dose of government rules since carry permits are extremely hard to obtain in my state. Hey, if I get shot though, I can get one I was told for the time the shooter is loose assuming the background investigation is quick enough. My CCW from another state has no bearing on my state’s allowing a permit.

So far no shots fired. Good.

@ Hard Right, #6:

So Greg, whether it was yelled or not, what difference does it make? He made the threat.

It’s not clear Fuller was making a threat. That’s the media narrative, but his intention might have been to make a point.

In Arizona it’s as lawful to bring a gun to a public debate as a camera. Any anonymous person in a crowd could have one as easily as the other. A shooting can be as easy as taking a picture.

Fuller might have thought the point would be obvious.

I was looking at a video where is said: Authorities said ”Fuller took a picture of the man and then yelled, ‘You’re dead!'”

See the 22 second mark.

The NYTimes repeats this, saying: “You’re dead,” Mr. Fuller yelled …..”

When you do a search you find 1 (one citation) saying Fuller ”muttered.”
Just here:
also quoted by the very left-leaning Slate.

But you find well over 1000 articles saying Fuller yelled.
It was off-mike on ABC so it is hard to have known if we were not in the room.
Deputies who took Fuller into custody pressed Trent Humphries to press charges so Fuller could be held and evaluated.

I think we ought to see what happens after the three day evaluation.

I was careful here to use the lesser of the two choices. Greg demonstrates once again that lefties do not need to wait for the facts.

Good point, Dr.John.
I hedged also.
I was not there.
Many observers were there.
The only point I was making was that the ”trained observers,” as law enforcement is trained to observe, said he yelled.
Many, many sources have chosen to go with their observations.
It is going to be interesting to see how Fuller comes out.
He already has apologized through a spokeswoman.
His girlfriend is that spokesperson.
They are calling it ”misplaced outrage.”
Who mutters during rage?
One source:

Again leftist Greg wants to pretend reality doesn’t exist. Sorry Greg, you can’t spin this. He threatened the man and he didn’t do it to prove a point This is a replay of the video thread. How sad.



In such a highly charged atmosphere, it seems highly unlikely that anyone would use that kind of language to make symbolic points. I don’t think he was trying to be “clever”. Got anything else, Greg?

I had the honor of speaking in Tucson and attended a dinner at a faculty member’s house which was attended by a Federal judge. Dinner conversation was very leftist, no thought of cost. “We should let in anyone that wants to be here.” I asked, “Now, who is going to pay for all this generosity?” The taxpayer, of course. I responded “Then why don’t you and you friends chip in to pay for their education, food, health care, and damages from crime and NOT send me a bill?”

A lot of dysfunctional people in Tucson. Combine an artsy climate with a big university, and you get … stupidity.

@ Texmom, #13:

Got anything else, Greg?

Only the observation that Mr. Fuller’s emotional balance and attitude about Arizona gun advocates might have been affected to some degree by his having recently received two gunshot wounds inflicted by some lunatic at a local shopping center. I’ll cut the guy some slack on account of that, and not jump to any conclusion because of his loss of composure.

I would agree that as a recent shooting victim, it would be hard not to feel very emotional about it, and I’d allow that should be considered. It sounds like he may have a history of this behavior, though, so it is in everyone’s best interest (including his own) that he is being evaluated.

We had a shooting on the corner a few weeks ago.
Two of my neighbors (a gay couple) were barely missed as the shots that ”missed” the gang banger/drug dealing competition went right by these two men on the street.
I would have not been surprised had either man become (dare I say?) hysterical.
But neither man did.
Both got involved more in the neighborhood and in cleaning out the dealings going on here.
As a result of their being in the line of fire our building has cameras linked to the PD.
A couple of those cameras simply protect our property.
But a couple of them focus on the troublesome corner….a ways off our property.

Any reaction is understandable.
We will see how/if he’s calmer and under self control when the three days are up.
BTW, I hope he is better.

So now we must determine if he yelled or just stated “you’re dead” DID HE or didn’t he say it? Yes he said it and is now in a institution being evaluated for sanity. He was arrested so the fact is he did say it.

J. Eric Fuller is a prevaricating, self promoting crank who was given prominence for his supposed moral authority (veteran, shot twice, leftist do-gooder) but turned out to have none. He had serious deficiencies as a truth teller and all-around plaster saint long before he shot his mouth off. He’s a little bit like what Loughner would have been in 40 years, but without the full-blown schizophernia. The people using him saw but did not care.

The important story is not his crankiness, or whether he has PTSD, or his general aura of mildewed, frustrated failure. There are many like him. Rather, it is his careless instant promotion to absolute moral authority by media operatives when it fit The Narrative, and their dropping him like a hot potato as soon as it did not. He was scubbed from leftist web sites promoting him at lightning speed after his little lapse in self control. Talk about down the memory hole. Utterly cynical users at work.

If he was so god damned compelling to them, why did they flush him at the first hint of trouble? Answer – he wasn’t compelling, really. I would bet money they didn’t talk to the guy for more than a minute before seeing there was something wrong with him. They moved so quickly to erase him for the same reason Shirley Sherrod was fired instantly after the leaked NAACP tape was shown, without the least investigation or gesture of due process – per Willie Brown’s analysis, there was a known back-story that had to be covered up.

I still want to know how he was running around so energetically and nimbly if he was actually shot, rather than hit by small rebounding lead particles or missed altogether. Remember – he wants attention so bad he can taste it.

I would have way more sympathy if he had not slandered us without mercy or honor from up on his phony high horse.

Fuller is now apologizing to whoever listens to him. Sheriff Dipstick, not so much. Pima County, do yourselves a favor. Vote for a new sheriff and Arpaio is already taken.

While Fuller might have been trying to make a point as Greg wants to claim. Said point in not obvious nor made. Had he really wanted to make said point he could have raised his camera and yelled “Bang, your dead.” point made with no threats having been passed.

In an article titled, “6 Lunatics Inspired by Fox News and Glenn Beck,” published on Oct. 28 — so six weeks before before Jared Loughner’s terror attack in Tucson that left six people dead and 13 wounded, including Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords — Jim Edwards, columnist for BNET, recapped six instances over the past two-and-a-half years in which lunatics committed violent acts, or were thwarted before they could act, later said they were inspired to violence after intense exposure to propaganda from Fox and Glenn Beck: (see site for complete text)

If you want to be entertained, watch FOX, MSNBC, or CNN. If you want real news and analysis, watch LinkTV or FreeSpeechTV.

But if it was a TEA Partier that had made the exact same statement, you would have wanted them locked up, right? No double standard on the left, no sir.


How about Bernie Goldberg driving the one guy to kill two people simply because he authored 110 People That Are Screwing Up America. Next thing we know, some broccoli hater out there is going to kill because Bush 41 also hates broccoli, the left will eat it up.

@liberal1: Those examples offered to make their case are terribly extremely thin to be accusing anyone of driving people to kill, shame on them and you should be embarrassed to post a site like that as a source.

After wasting my time reading the rediculous blog post I noticed in the side bar on the right side of the page I could also waste the rest of the afternoon perusing this over the edge, beyond belief crap:

Palin Inspires Very Bad Songwriting
Creepy Separated at Birth Photos of Jared Loughner and Glenn Beck
How Will Boehner’s GOP-Tea Party Top Its First Disastrous Week in Power?
More on Right-Wing Influences That Drove Loughner to Violence

You take this nonsense seriously?

Shouldn’t Fuller be free by tonight?
It has been three days, maybe not a full 72 hours, but very close.
I wonder if his interview about wanting to create an ”ear necklace” out of ears from:
Michele Bachmann and
Sarah Palin
was not looked at too kindly.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/arizona-shooting-rampage/2011/01/18/tucson-shooting-victim-there-would-be-torture-and-then-ear-neckl#ixzz1BPz4pkF6

@Nan G:

Sheriff Dupnick is releasing him unless Trent Humphries presses charges.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik announced that he was ready to release Eric Fuller after his pyschiatric testing unless Trent Humphries pressed charges.

Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit also posted this:

Marilyn Zerull, who ran for office recently in Tucson for the state house of representatives, is familiar with Eric Fuller. She shared with me today her experiences with the far left activist.

Last year between the primary and general elections Fulller was the inspector of elections at the polling station she worked at in both the primary and general elections. First of all, just after the primary, during the training session, Marilyn said she was warned about Fuller. She knew he was confrontational. So she was worried. He acted very bizarre during the training sessions. During the day he would stand up in the middle of room and do leg kicks and karate chops.

One time, during the primary elections, Fuller went outside and started screaming at a woman who was handing out literature beyond the 75 foot limit. He chased her to her car. The woman was very frightened and locked her doors. Eventually, she fled to another station. Fuller also had a run-in with the police that day.

Sometime between the primary and general elections, Al Melvin was holding a town hall. It was pretty civil. Afterwards, Eric Fuller came over and started a confrontation with Marilyn. He just started arguing loudly and spewing the typical leftist talking points. Fuller is always reportedly looking for opportunities to argue with Republicans. It’s what he does.

They worked together again during the general election at the same polling station. Eric Fuller would get up and go play the piano during the day and he talked about how good democratic policies were to the people coming into the polling place.



Excellent catch, Dr. John. Satire invariably flies over the head of liberals. They’re too busy trying to demonize conservatives to really think through the meaning of what is being said.

@RandomThoughts: Thank you, sir!

is any one safe i say we should have guns so that we can stay alive