The Towels Are Piling Up [Reader Post]

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First Obama threw in the towel on closing Gitmo.

Then Biden threw in the towel on job recovery.

Now Big Sis throws in the towel on border security.

Washington (CNSNews.com) – Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, whose agency is charged with securing America’s borders, told an audience in Washington, D.C., in reference to the U.S.-Mexico border, “You’re never going to totally seal that border.”

Moment of amusing irony:

Napolitano spoke and answered questions at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) on “Securing the Border: A Smarter Law Enforcement Approach,” on Wednesday.

And she did offer a reason why she’s not up to the job:

“It’s a big border,”

You can just hear it coming – “So why bother?”

“The notion that you’re gonna’ somehow seal the border, and only at that point will you discuss immigration reform, that is not an answer to the problem,” she said.

Actually, it is an answer and it’s definitely the best first step. Sealing the border would put a halt to illegal invasion of this country. Then we’d have to figure out how to deal only with those here instead of continuously adding more to the problem. Instead of assisting efforts to secure the border, Barack Obama goes to war with Arizona to prevent it from securing its own border. It has been reported that Big Sis plans use an Obama Executive Order to grant amnesty not only to illegal immigrant Mexicans, but to Somalis and Hezbollah members as well. It’s breathtaking to see from how from many countries illegal aliens come. It’s not just Mexicans.

Americans aren’t allowed into 3500 acres of Arizona because it’s not safe consequent to violence in the area.

The refuge had been adversely affected by the increase in drug smugglers, illegal activity and surveillance, which made it dangerous for Americans to visit.

“The situation in this zone has reached a point where continued public use of the area is not prudent,” said refuge manager Mitch Ellis.

Americans are not safe in their own country. And Barack Obama won’t do anything about it.

Drug violence is ramping up all along the border;

REYNOSA, Mexico – This border city and others near the eastern end of the U.S. border escaped the worst of Mexico’s bloody drug war for years, but now the bodies are piling up, several journalists are reportedly missing or dead and once-busy streets are empty after dark.

The crumbling of an alliance between two Mexican drug gangs has plunged the 200-mile stretch of border into violence, raising fears of a new front in the drug war, a U.S. anti-drug official told The Associated Press.

In Mexican border cities stretching from Matamoros near the Gulf to Nuevo Laredo, gunfire has been heard almost daily, and at least 49 people were killed in drug war-related violence in less than six weeks.

And about those boycotts over Arizona defending its own borders?

Yesterday Fox News reports that Democrats have begun to discover the jerk part of “knee-jerk.”

Boycotting Arizona is harder than it sounds.

Though the passage of the state’s immigration law was met in late April with immediate threats to cut ties with Arizona in protest, a number of cities have either scaled back or created exemptions to their own boycotts.

They’ve thrown in the towel too.

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This administration is depressing…..really.

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Article 4

Section 4 – Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Arizona is now either invaded, or in a situation where domestic violence is bad enough, that American Citizens are not safe in parts of Arizona.

The Governor of Arizona needs to make an application to the Legislature under Art 4 Sect. 4 of the Constitution for redress as the Feds are NOT adequatly protecting Arizona.

@Romeo13

They ignore the rest of the Constitution. What makes you think they would pay attention to this?

“The notion that you’re gonna’ somehow seal the border, and only at that point will you discuss immigration reform, that is not an answer to the problem,” she said.

When your sink is overflowing, before trying to mop up the mess, the first thing you do is SHUT OFF THE WATER.

Did republicans “seal the border” during that recent long stretch of years when they had both a controlling majority in Congress and a republican President in the White House? They also had majority control of the Senate during that period, right? Those were the years when illegal immigration from Mexico was at its all-time peak–the years immediately following 9/11, when the need for tighter border control was a totally obvious anti-terrorism response.

Nope. The GOP got border security religion only after a deep economic recession reduced the profitability of exploiting an enormous pool of illegal immigrant labor; when the problem that they’d allowed to go unchecked for years could be pinned on a new democratic majority and a new democratic President to their own political advantage. Essentially they’ve found a new way to exploit the same group of people.

I find that rather depressing. And hypocritical. Every bit as much as pinning all blame for the Gulf oil slick on Obama, after years of boosting oil industry deregulation, bashing legitimate environmental concerns, and attacking rational fuel efficiency and energy conservation measures.

@Greg

One, One of the major points of contention that conservatives have had with Bush and the GOP during their time in power is their lack of border control on the southern border. Having said that, I find no reason not to agree with them at this time regarding the border. Would you rather have a still porous border and fight the conservatives on this, just because at times they were hypocritical, or a solidly controlled border, without fear of terrorist crossings?

Two, the oil slick’s size and lack of action regarding cleanup or protection of the coastline of America is Obama’s fault. The oil spill itself is the fault of BP, and loony environmentalists who insisted on pushing the accepted distance out, in this case too far for easier control measures.

@Greg

What you don’t get, is that for many many of us, its not a Republican vs Democrat problem… its a Flyover country vs Washington problem.

We BLASTED the Bush admin on amnesty. We burned up the phone lines of the REPUBLICANS on that issue….

But I know its easier to pull an Obama, and blame the Repubs too, instead of looking at the existing problem.

I can just see the headline on MSM, ‘gun nuts take law into their own hands, murder migrant in park” (neglects to mention that the ‘migrant’ is armed and running drugs and fired upon the ‘gun nuts’ (self defense here folks)). I’m not advocating violence, I’m advocating defending the United States of America. If a bunch of ARMED drug or human smugglers inadvertently get in the way of a bullet or 20 then so be it.

GREG #5 Very well said!!

Tony Larussa, St. Louis Card’s manager, nailed it right on the head. If the feds can’t do the border job, you fix it yourself. He also legitimized the Tea Partiers, as long as they don’t interfere with the ball game. I blame Busch!

@ Greg

Obviously you don’t remember when Bush and a bipartisan coalition tried to push amnesty a few years ago. The public outcry was fast and furious and it got shut down. You can’t call that hypocritical on the part people that post here. Now if you want to call McCain hypocritical for all of a sudden wanting to secure the border, please feel free.

As for the oil leak, when everything is said and done, blame whoever you want for why it happened. For all I care, you can blame Nixon. What you can’t hide from is this administrations complete lack of inaction and their utter incompetence on containing the spill.

Also, why is you first and only argument to point to the previous administration and claim hypocrisy? If something is wrong, it’s wrong. If it’s right, it’s right. Almost everyone of your arguments are Ad Hominem Tu Quoque. If you think Obama is right on immigration, tell us why. If you think he’s doing a great job on the oil spill, tell us why.

We’re never going to seal the border, no matter what. There’s a strawman argument if I’ve ever seen one. We’re never going to stop crime, either. Does that mean that we should do away with police?
Arizona border folks would deal with this themselves, but the Federal boot comes down hard on those who would defend their property against illegals. Illegal aliens are a privileged class – they don’t pay taxes but have the right to use the services, they don’t pay moving violations or automobile insurance (‘No Habla Engles’ means you’re SOL if you’re hit by one).
Speaking of cars, Grand Theft Auto is a common way for these hard-working folk to make some money. In a few hours, your car can be across the border and sold. Lojack isn’t going to help you when Mexico has your ride. Arizona is #4 in the nation there, and that’s a big improvement from where we were.

If “doing a great job on the oil spill” translates as “keeping all manner of dire things from happening and promptly correcting those that do”, I don’t think anybody could have met the standard. We allowed the stage to be set for this sort of uncontainable environmental disaster over a long period of time, in spite of the fact that we’ve seen clear previews of what could happen several times in the past. Putting all the blame on Obama is to deny much of what actually brought us to this point, lessening the likelihood that real underlying problems will be effectively dealt with.

There’s a certain schizophrenic quality to some of the political rhetoric, in my opinion. While professing horror at an environmental catastrophe, environmentalism itself is blamed; BP takes heat, but the practices of one of the single biggest players aren’t seen as being in any way representative of the entire industry; big government is deplored, but people seem to think the goverment should have been able to step in, take charge, and immediately fix things; the taxpayers are getting bilked and the federal government is strapped for cash, but Obama was out of line pinning costs on BP; Obama does nothing useful, but was also out of line in placing a narrow, temporary moratorium on deepwater projects that might be technically flawed in the same way as the Deepwater Horizon.

Greg, once again you resort to the only thing an ignorant robot Democrat can do. It’s on
0-bama’s watch and let’s blame Bush for everything. If your IQ was one less a plant would be smarter than you are. Grow up and realize 0-bama has demonstrated incompetence in each and every case.

@Greg

What you don’t seem to get is that there ARE things the Federal Government can’t do, things it should do, and things it MUST do by law.

My particular problem with the Obama admin is that they are so busy trying to do things OUTSIDE of Fed Governments enumerated powers, that they are NOT doing the things that ARE within the enumerated powers.

The LAW says that the Admin is in charge of this mess, because it is in Federaly owned waters.

BPs saftey record is horrible, yet they were given a pass on some of the safeguards that the Government ALREADY had the power to insist on.

The Government TOLD BP they could drill there, and weeks before the blowout, the Government was told that this well was having serious problems.

Obama then stepped in, and bypassed the Courts and due process (that little thing that helps protect us citizens) to shakedown BP.

There is nothing schizo about “my” particular response to this… I want the Gov to do its JOB, to follow the LAW as written, and to help clean up the mess that although it did not create, certainly did not use its EXISTING authority to prevent.

“Greg, once again you resort to the only thing an ignorant robot Democrat can do. It’s on
0-bama’s watch and let’s blame Bush for everything.”

It’s hardly the first time I’ve heard such a comment instead of an actual rebuttal.

@ Greg

Greg, simply put, the government, our government is too big. There are agencies falling over each other implementing regulations that hinder proper governance. It’s that simple. I will admit that both sides tend to play the “all or nothing” game, although I believe dems do it way more than republicans do. Obama wants a huge immigration bill instead of just helping to enforce the border security. That is wrong. My views on immigration reform are different than a lot of the other posters here, and I have had that debate here before. However, I believe that the first step should be securing the borders. Once that is done, let’s talk reform.

As I said earlier about the oil spill, blame can be placed in many places. But there is one person that has the authority to do more than anyone else. Obama can suspend the Jones act and quit catering to his Union base. He can force the EPA to relax the standards so some of the skimmers and Costner’s centrifuge can clean up as much as they can. He has that authority. And he can’t blame anyone else for not using it.

Greg is just an Obama apologist! We get it Greg… it’s Bush’s fault…. I wonder if that’s what Barak said when Michelle told him she was pregnant with their two kids.

On the oil front, I have yet to see any Congressional bill deregulating operational standards of procedure in offshore drilling. If you know of any, please inform.

I have planned drilling programs and have played by the rules. Some rules are absolute and some need the garbage bin.

@Greg

“Greg, once again you resort to the only thing an ignorant robot Democrat can do. It’s on
0-bama’s watch and let’s blame Bush for everything.”

It’s hardly the first time I’ve heard such a comment instead of an actual rebuttal.

Not the first time and certainly not the last since it seems that is all Obama can do when faced with problems is blame Bush. Are you not as sick and tired of his constant campaigning against a man who left office more than 17 months ago as we are?

2008: Yes we can!

2010: No. We can’t.

“Are you not as sick and tired of his constant campaigning against a man who left office more than 17 months ago as we are?”

Actually I have seldom heard him refer directly to George W Bush. What I do frequently hear are comments backtracing current problems to decisions and policies that he views as having something to do with their origins. That strikes me as a fairly measured and reasonable response to the incessant barrage of propaganda asserting that every difficulty the nation currently faces began with either the 2006 or 2008 election.

Adirondack Patriot
22 2008: Yes we can!

2010: No. We can’t YOU WON’T!.

Normaly don’t do this… but FIFY.

Greg..You have learned well from Obama. He does indeed seldom mention Bush by name. Just like you seldom throw insults directly, but imply such so that you can deny, deny, deny. But that doesn’t mean he never blames Bush for each and every issue that comes up. Do you really want me to wade through even a fraction of Obama’s speeches and highlight the times he has blamed Bush and the Bush administration? I can, but it will be tedious since all Obama seems to know how to do is make speeches and blame Bush.

Obama needs to grow up, stop campaigning for the job and actually DO the job he has been hired to do – lead the country.

Bottom line – there are enumerated powers that the Federal govt has and certain responsibilities mandated by Federal Law. Running health care, limiting CO2 and redistributing wealth are not what the Federal govt is supposed to do, however protecting our coastal waters and securing our borders ARE what they are supposed to be doing; but they aren’t.

What part of that don’t you understand?

@Greg

#14 sounds like it came from Mitch Stewart. Enough.

@Greg

Gee Greg you seem to believe that we are stupid and can’t tell what “The Previous Administration” means. We all know that it means the Clinton Years…/sarc

@Greg

I seriously hope you aren’t really as ignorant as you sound, or that you think we are dumb enough to fall for that. Sure he doesn’t refer to Bush directly, but what do you think “the previous administration” means? Or what “I’ve inherited” means?

As for backtracking problems to their origins, he is woefully inept at presenting a true picture of the chain of events for whatever problem is currently in the news, either by malicious intent, or just plain stupidity. Mortgage crisis? He blames the banks and the lack of regulation by the Bush admin instead of Frank and Co. shielding their precious cash cows, Fannie and Freddie. Oil spill? He blames ‘Big Oil’ and their ties to the Bush admin(again with lack of regulation), instead of willfully ignorant environmentalists pushing the distance oil companies can drill off our coasts to points where water depth is arguably beyond current technology. Not once has this president placed blame, either partly or completely, with the party or parties truly responsible, and not once has this president taken any problem on his own shoulders. Case in point, the current level of joblessness being experienced across the country.

@Greg:

Did republicans “seal the border” during that recent long stretch of years when they had both a controlling majority in Congress and a republican President in the White House? They also had majority control of the Senate during that period, right?

Can you say “filibuster”?

How about “60 votes”?

What was your point again?

I’ve forgotten which republican effort to seal the border was blocked by a democratic filibuster. Maybe someone will refresh my memory on that point.

ROMEO13: hi, ARIZONA should employed the APACHES tribe to protect the land from illegals entering; pay them well and provide to what they need and I bet you gonna see real actions, and the ARIZONIANS will be able to live free again, bye 🙄

@Greg:

I’ve forgotten which republican effort to seal the border was blocked by a democratic filibuster. Maybe someone will refresh my memory on that point.

Here’s just one example of Dim blockading:

Reid Threatens Filibuster on Immigration

SAN DIEGO (AP) – As the Senate prepares to tackle the most sweeping immigration reforms in years, a top Democrat vowed Wednesday to do everything in his power, including filibuster, to thwart Majority Leader Bill Frist’s proposed overhaul.

Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he would “use every procedural means at my disposal” to prevent Frist from bypassing the Judiciary Committee. Frist, R-Tenn., has made clear the Senate will take up his proposal next week if the 18-member committee fails to complete a broader bill.

@ ilovebeeswarzone

I’m afraid you’re wrong my friend. Being half Native American myself, I’m ashamed to say that many of the tribes are on the wrong side of the issue. The Apaches have been marching with the Open Borders crowd. Long, sad story. Just do a little research on the Bureau of Indian Affairs and you’ll see how the dems got them too.

AQUA: hi, I had a diffrent story the other day on another post, one from apache tribe was going to kill some illegals to help other who was there, and i tryed to get FA authors to dissuade his intent, but they where not available, and the man left us and another gave me the story of how the mexican viciouly murder many in the past before the whites people arrive in AMERICA, and since they hate the mexicans and said, they should give the job to the tribes and it would not take long to do for them. and i beleive him and saw the link of their nation, and i remember some story of the history, and, i know there is some that are poison by drugs and addicted to alcohol that makes them on the margin of their society and can deal with ennemys but it doesnt mean they are all the same, but many are decent people of the land they own before, thank you for your comment. bye 🙄

@ ilovebeeswarzon

While it is true that there is very little love loss between the Apache nation and even the Navajo nation, and Mexico, some of the signs I’ve seen don’t seem to point that way. Here is the headline from the tribes website:
Yavapai-Apache Nation Joins Other Arizona Tribes in Opposing SB1070
You can find their web page here:
http://www.yavapai-apache.org/press.html
I don’t have any friends that are Apache, ’cause the Apache pretty much hate everyone. But I do have a few friends that are Navajo. The tribes are so dependant on government money through the BIA, they won’t upset the apple cart. That is just what dependence on the government does, every single place it is tried.

AQUA: thank you again,it’s hard to change your mindset on a group of people who have deceive
you by their behaviors,and earsay also I know that from life experiences I understand but I keep hope and the last encounter was definitly with braves warriors ready to help AMERICANS who suffer in ARIZONA, and thoses patriots become so valuable in the world we are in now, with a government who has chosen the coward path. bye 🙄

suek: hi, thank’s for your link again , very scary for the people and their fear for the chidren too. bye 🙄

AQUA: IT might be thoses signs where force on them, and they being dependant on government help could not refuse to put it on their names; as a matter of fact, that is the same way the government has been doing with every problems, they use people that are in a position to agree
on signs,they are using sign for their propagandes. you know the tribes should remember that they where the first keeper of the land and proud of it

Greg’s comment – $29.95 a month for the internet connection –

Did republicans “seal the border” during that recent long stretch of years when they had both a controlling majority in Congress and a republican President in the White House? They also had majority control of the Senate during that period, right?

Aye Chihuahua’s reply – $29.95 a month for the internet connection –

Can you say “filibuster”?

How about “60 votes”?

What was your point again?

Greg’s sad attempt at witty repartee – $$ see above –

I’ve forgotten which republican effort to seal the border was blocked by a democratic filibuster. Maybe someone will refresh my memory on that point.

Aye Chihuahua’s BRILLIANT reply –

Here’s just one example of Dim blockading:

Reid Threatens Filibuster on Immigration

SAN DIEGO (AP) – As the Senate prepares to tackle the most sweeping immigration reforms in years, a top Democrat vowed Wednesday to do everything in his power, including filibuster, to thwart Majority Leader Bill Frist’s proposed overhaul.

Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he would “use every procedural means at my disposal” to prevent Frist from bypassing the Judiciary Committee. Frist, R-Tenn., has made clear the Senate will take up his proposal next week if the 18-member committee fails to complete a broader bill.

PRICELESS!!!