Obama Pushing Gun Control Treaty That Takes Oversight Away From Lawmakers

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Lou Dobbs had a segment that re-aired yesterday which should scare the crap out of those of you who believe, as I do, that the 2nd Amendment is not a right that can be brushed away so easily…..it’s about CIFTA. A little known treaty that Obama wants ratified that is major….MAJOR gun control:

Alan Corwin has done a great job of detailing the specifics of the treaty:

  • EVERY aspect of the treaty introduces major required gun controls, most of which will affect average citizens (as well as the targeted criminal syndicates, dictators and other bad actors).
  • The controls go way past anything EVER attempted by gun-control groups in the United States.
  • NONE of the proposed gun controls are likely to pass by themselves through Congress. If the treaty is enacted they don’t have to — they become law when the treaty is ratified.
  • Virtually NO PROTECTIONS FOR RKBA are to be found, and the wordings are loose enough to allow all sorts of attacks on gun rights American enjoy today.
  • The U.S. government under this treaty GAINS POWER to manage firearms almost any way it would like to, without checks and balances.
  • Once signed, many of the restrictions and government intrusions become MANDATORY, and the full Congress, already cut out of ratification (only the Senate approves treaties) would be cut out of the implementation process entirely.
  • Top to bottom registration of all firearms, ammunition, ammunition components and other related materials is required if they are “in transit” and records must be kept indefinitely. This vague language, and the requirement to comply are a gun-banner’s dream and a rights advocate’s nightmare.
  • “Transit licenses or authorizations” for transfers of firearms are required for imported firearms, and loose language could include the same for all domestic firearms.
  • Lengthy recordkeeping is required that directly conflicts with U.S. law, and would be left up to bureaucrats and arbitrary controls and implementation.
  • Home reloading of ammunition would become illegal and subject to severe sanctions, without government licensing that is undefined and could include almost any conditions, taxes and limitations, including scrupulous inventorying, recordkeeping and unscheduled audit searches of people who reload.
  • Similar licensing and controls will be required on anything made “that can be attached to a firearm,” known as “other related materials.” This includes components, parts, replacement parts and such items as wood or composite stocks, slings, bayonets, bayonet lugs, sights, scopes, rails, lasers, grips, flash hiders, suppressors, muzzle brakes and other paraphernalia. Attaching any such parts without a government license would be “illicit manufacture,” a criminal act with undefined penalties.
  • Record sharing requirements ensure that any gun-owner data that must be destroyed under current U.S. law can be easily stored abroad, and can be retrieved at will as required under various international “cooperation” clauses.

All this under the guise that guns from our country make up a huge percentage of the weapons used by drug cartels in Mexico…..lies, as Rep. Tancredo pointed out:

The ambassador says Americans are to blame for the violence wrecked on his country by the Mexican drug cartels because “most of the guns confiscated by Mexican police can be traced back to the United States.” That is not true, but the way that claim has been accepted by American politicians and the mainstream media raises suspicions about a hidden agenda.

We can almost forgive the Mexican ambassador for being confused when the United States agency responsible for enforcing our gun laws, the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, has made so many contradictory statements on the matter. ATFE Assistant Director William Hoover told Congress last year that 90% of the weapons seized in Mexico crime scenes can be traced to gun sales in the US.

The problem is that 90% number isn’t true. Yet, that hasn’t kept it from being picked up and used by members of Congress, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and, of course, Mexican officials like Ambassador Sarukhan who are eager to blame the US for Mexico’s problems.

The 90% number reported by Hoover came from a small group of weapons turned over to the U.S. for tracing, but they were by no means all of the weapons seized by Mexican authorities. A spokesman for the ATFE, Matt Allen, has now “clarified” the number and admitted that only 17% of the weapons found at crime scenes in Mexico have been traced to the U.S. Ironically, while Mexican officials have freely used the 90% number from the ATFE, they have not themselves made such a charge based on their own numbers. The truth is, they know better.

Another shredding of our Constitution moment from our President. But wait a minute? A treaty cannot supersede our Constitution right?

Your right……but the way our courts are headed, do you want to trust this will never change? Alan tackles this issue:

Numerous attorneys and others wrote to challenge my position in Page Nine #63 that Mr. Obama’s run-around gun treaty could conveniently bypass the legislative process and the Constitution, like John M. says here:

“While your item in “Page 9″ about Congress and the Obamanation Administration using an Inter-American Treaty on ‘arms trafficking’ to do an end-run around the Second Amendment is certainly scary, I’m not ready to concede (as you appear to do) that a treaty supersedes the Constitution under Article VI.”

He goes on to describe why Art. VI and other safeguards will protect us.

Many people went into greater detail. Cases were cited (Reid v. Covert; Missouri v. Holland; Whitney v. Robinson; Cherokee Tobacco). One high-placed lobbyist felt fairly safe because:

“While an international treaty bypasses House consideration, it requires two-thirds of the Senate for ratification – a tall order even in ObamaNation.”

Other people were less sure, like Chuck G. here:

“I’m still up in the air about it as I’ve heard all my life exactly what you stated.”

I too always heard what he had heard — treaties supersede the Constitution — and always thought it odd. Go read Article VI, cl. 2 yourself. The language is crystalline. One attorney at a high-profile think tank believes:

“The federal government will have arguable legal authority to seize our guns and ammunition if this treaty is signed.”

So…

1. Opinions on the supremacy issue are inconsistent (though often adamant).

2. People who say the treaty won’t be a problem point to a number of SCOTUS decisions, and perhaps stare decisis. Maybe that makes those folks fully comfortable with where Mr. Obama is heading on this. Less so for me.

3. SCOTUS precedents are increasingly ignored by those in power, with groovy rationalizations each time. And SCOTUS decisions have so eviscerated key elements of the Constitution, my faith there is shaken, not stirred.

4. The courts, which should provide more balance, a) don’t, b) are run by the very people they’re supposed to balance, and c) all too often use the completely worthless rational-basis test, knowing it’s worthless, to allow every short-of-insane law to stand.

5. Given a choice of support for gun-rights or outright gun bans, we know which way this administration will go.

6. Four of the current SCOTUS Justices have expressed interest in defining U.S. law from foreign sources, leaving us one vote away from a new understanding of the supremacy clause.

7. Perhaps the biggest issue, though, making all else moot, is that new regs you can easily forecast coming from this treaty will be portrayed as a) required by international law so we’re only doing what’s right, b) required by Article VI however you like to read it, c) consistent with precedent, and most of all, d) not violative of the Second Amendment so no big deal.

After all, if, for instance, every home reloading enthusiast simply has to get a government license, pay an annual tax called a “fee,” pass a test, accept “routine” BATFE searches without notice like FFLs must, and keep detailed records so government can fulfill its obligation to track all guns and ammo, backed up with threats of prison time for paperwork errors or a miscount of a single round, what’s wrong with that?

Besides, you have an attorney general to protect you who’s on record saying a ban on any working firearm in your own home is acceptable under 2A, so, what me worry?

You have a choice: assume the treaty won’t be a problem, the supremacy clause will void any abuse and just let Mr. Obama enact the treaty, or remain a bit more skeptical of this man’s motives. Choose wisely.

Scary scary stuff.

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Ah, Geez! This mental midget can’t handle our economy and all the problems we’ve got and now he wants to dabble in destroying our Constitution via the back door! IMHO I believe he is a traitor to our country!

Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Any Questions?

I know that it may not to have been taught to some folks recently in school. The Punk in Chief, Obama never had it presented to him in the madrassa in Indonesia and being a “Constitutional Scholar”, he can sign anything he likes but it does not obligate me to surrender any Rights, bow to anyone, be subject to any Foreign Laws or allow a violation of the Bill of Rights to go un-challenged by any temporary resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The Constitution is not a buffet. You cannot pick and choose. It is not subject to any Foreign Treaties or the whim of any temporary Officeholders. Infringement of Rights or excessive taxation may result in issues not being resolved in court but in the streets and no tea being served.

US History 101 for you All. Class dismissed!

Oh and by the way, slackers can serve as stretcher bearers or be shot with the rest of the traitors.

Fed Up. It was clear he was and is anti-american when he hid his past record or lack of a record. Democrats seem to run more and more dangerous (to freedom) people for office each cycle. I see little, if any, difference in O’Dumbo, Chavez, Castro. Kim ding a ling (Korea) and Armadingalingdingdong, the crazy monkey in Iran.

Guess I’ll become part of the underground reloading community….

I believe two well known phrases come to mind here…

“… cold dead hands” and “hell hath no fury….”

MataHarley,
Thanks for the Sunday School version that aptly describes it all, succinctly and to the point.

LOL! Amazing compliment, Trooper… since no one can usually accuse me of being “succinct”.

Obama’s running a “pile on” presidency. Just wondering how much straw that camel can hold before collapsing, spread eagled.

Wonder if Dear Leader truly believes that he is going to get term #2???

Ditto on the reloading underground. Can anybody recommend a good book on learning how to reload?

Since I own an orchard, do you think I can convince the watch dogs that all of that saltpeter and sulphur are just tree nutrients? Oh, and all of that lead is just for fishing weights.

I think every state who values the second amendment should pass a law declaring sovereignty from federal gun laws. Alaska, Montana, and now Texas have introduced such legislation.

Texas Moves to assert Sovreignty Under 10th Amendment; Moves to Exempt “Texas-Only” Firearms From Fed Control

BTW I couldn’t be more proud of my 4 yr old black lab, Gimli, who has never showed any aggression towards anyone, ever before, but bit the census employee who ignored his warning growl and walked into my yard univited anyway. He’s such a good boy!

Help me out with this…………I am a democrat, and a avid gun lover. How does this stop me from owning a gun? This would only bother me if I had plans to sell guns across the border or overseas. Explain how this would effect me as a citizens who will just buy a gun?

Yeah paperwork, I have no problem with that for the safety of American citizens to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Registration who cares, it’s already registered anyway, if another country has these numbers I would only worry if my gun was stolen which I report right away.

Help me understand this please.

Flavor, you are thinking your legislative gun rights will remain within control of either (or both) the US federal and State laws… all of which have some sort of 2nd Amendment/RKBA on the books.

When you sign an international treaty, you supercede governance and law to a higher int’l authority and body for legislation that usurps current (or any future) federal and state law. The jurisdiction for enforcing this int’l law ( per the current treaty language) falls to the individual signatory nations (called States in treaties).

So how does this stop you from owning a gun? Guess you’ll have to ask that not of your local or federal representatives, but of your international representative. If you think you don’t like calling India for tech service, how will you feel when you want to register complaint to a Syrian, or some other UN honcho representative from an equally reprehensible nation, for int’l gun laws? Most countries that do not recognize RKBA at all.

Today you may be happy because nothing changes in your little back yard. But tomorrow, that int’l body may decide that you may not have anything higher than a .38 caliber revolver, and no semi-autos… or may even further limit magazine capacity sizes. You would only be able to purchase int’l approved ammo at whatever standards they deem acceptable, and instantly will become criminal if you do reloading. This, of course, has a side effect on US private enterprises like Dillon and Lee who’s equipment instantly becomes contraban, and anyone who makes their business as providing ammo instantly loses any clientele that isn’t a government approved entity for resale.

But this isn’t only about you… an int’l shared database puts at risk undercover law enforcement and intel operators. Any new mandates an int’l body wishes to make now allows that database to be a “round up” of newly defined criminals.

Treaties are always some form of limitation or infringement on sovereign powers. To cede US gun rights to int’l law is nothing less than a travesty.

Yeah paperwork, I have no problem with that for the safety of American citizens to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Laws do not keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and they don’t do no stinkin’ paperwork. They purchase on the black market. The only ones gun laws affect are law abiding citizens who voluntarily jump the paperwork hoops.

When an int’l body decides to impose a parameter that affects your ability to buy a gun – or the type of gun you are allowed to buy, and if you can obtain ammo for use – you will become a criminal when you, too, have to dodge paperwork merely for the uninfringeable right of self defense or sport.

Thanks for the explanation. You did ive me a better understanding of it. Thanks

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Mata note: You’re very welcome, and thank you for asking a direct question many wouldn’t do.

MataHarley…doing homework for those that never did theirs is like my last deployment to Iraq.

Voting that mattered and my promise that those that voted would have votes counted and that I and my team would kill anyone that threatened them. Voters got home safe.

Others that did not want votes to matter got rule .308 judicially applied and Votes were counted.

My absentee ballot was most likely not counted but those that voted in Iraq for a first got that under my eyes and my watch.

Iraq is not Pakistan.. Obama never smoked dope in Iraq. But in Pakistan…

GIVEN-1:We know that anyone who negotiates, signs and enforces said treaty is in direct violation of their oath of office. (Not that seems to stop them anymore.)

GIVEN-2:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

(1) Does the Federal government have any authority to enter into treaties granting in effect powers that the Constitution have not delegated to them?

(2) Can the President legally sign onto a treaty that is in direct violation of our Constitution or constitutional rights?

(3) What would be the SCOTUS position?

(4) When violating their oath of office to enter into agreements with foreign dignitaries which clearly usurp the Constitution, are they guilty of treason?

(5) What can we do about it?

Two countries with different extremes in gun laws…

A 7 year boy shot in the head in the US for ‘trespassing’

http://news.aol.com/article/texas-trespassing-shooting/472454

meanwhile Germany moves to ban paintballing…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8041320.stm

Just let him try to take my guns. Will take a jump team to enter my home and take them. Someone needs to take him back to high school and give him a good civics class again, that is if he ever had one in the first place. Sounds to me like he’s been listening to that liberal wife of his tooooo much. And as far as Hillary goes, I’d bet she’d like to get her hands on a nice little 45 and sneak up behind Bill and say “hey, rememeber a few years ago??” “Well, it’s payback time”.