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Padraig
15 years ago
Although I was a labour suporter in her days, I admired her stance against selling Britain down the drain to Europe, labour has done that to us in Britain, now we are coping with an out of control labour party who have no desire to really give the people true democracy, it is all about control and how to manipulate the masses. This labour government and teh Blair one are a disgrace, Labour should be banned from ever taking office again until they get their act together.
philly_nj
15 years ago
The United Kingdom’s first female Prime Minister.
The Russians named PM Thatcher The Iron Lady
(Wonder what the USSR will nickname our first black president)
Happy anniversary Lady Thatcher.
Thanks for the heads up Mike.
I’m off to wish my Brit. Buddies ‘Happy Anniversary’ 🙂
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Some employees at UNAIDS have had to use credit cards to cover basic living expenses because of salary shortfalls. Others can’t get loans because banks won’t accept the payroll system’s incomprehensible, voluminous pay “stubs” as proof of employment, according to the UNAIDS employees’ letter.
@philly_nj: I haven’t visited any of the Brit Blogs to see how they are commemorating this anniversary. If you come across anything, please drop a link here.
Glad you mentioned the anniversary. As I have said before on here I believe – she was the best PM in the 20th Century after Churchill. I agree with pretty much everything you said above except that she called for harmony. She may have called for it – but it wasn’t genuine – in that it was her way or the high way. Which is fine – as her way was the best way for the 80s. Britain needed shock treatment to get itself out of the appalling stupour it managed to get itself into. She fought the miners and many other unions, the Wets, socialism, the Argentinans etc.
It was a shame that she didn’t quit when she was ahead – say in 1988 or 1989 but that’s hindsight. By that stage she was looking for new dragons to slay but it was her who was looking out of step. It was a shame she didn’t groom a successor (suppose that’s a double-edged sword – if you consider Eden and Brown). And I was surprised she didn’t go down fighting but let the backstabbers win. The Tories were foolish in ditching her because they may have won the 1992 election by doing so under the lame overpromoted Major – but they effectively ensured that they would be kicked out for a generation.
I think Blair took more than a few leaves out of her book – but unfortunately Labour continues it’s slide further to the left under the current no-hoper Brown.
FedUp
15 years ago
I’d gladly trade BO, Timmy, Nancy, Harry, Hillary, Gibbs for 1 Margaret Thatcher – I’ll even throw in Dodd, Rangle, schumer and Specter!
@GaffaUK: It’s a rare day when I find myself agreeing with you.
I’ll just elaborate on the lesson of Thatcher’s fall and see if you still agree.
She fell because she refused to budge on principle. Primarily that of refusing to further integrate into Europe. In the last portion of the second video she addresses that topic. She’s very clear that giving up national political power to an unaccountable bureaucracy is a bad idea. Very similar to the debates we are having in this country over giving Washington more and more power.
And her mealy-mouthed replacements, who were more moderate, were soon relegated to minority status where they remain.
That’s very similar to the discussion about what path the Republican Party in this country should take. Dems, moderates and some GOPrs are suggesting we need to be more moderate and drop the social issues. That’s a prescription for minority status for years to come as well.
It was Europe & the Poll Tax which got her in the end. The poll tax was a silly unfeasible idea – especially when she foolishly imposed it on the Scots a year before the English. As for Europe – I have mixed feelings. I would like EU to return to the EEC – basically a trading block and not a political union – but I don’t want the UK to leave the EU and try to go it alone. Thatcher fought against Europe BUT it was her who signed the single European Act and it was her successor, Major who signed Maastricht Treaty – which brought into closer political union with Europe. If she was against Europe as much as she said she was – then why sign the Single European Act? The British generally aren’t keen on Europe – and we unlike a lot of other Europeans haven’t had a referendum over these key treaties (normally supported by all parties except the tiny fringe parties like UKIP) since 1974. Basically the country has sleepwalked into this situation. Thatcher has responsibility over this as well as other PMs.
@GaffaUK: It’s unforgiveable that it was her own party that stabbed her in the back. They deserve what they got as a result.
As for Maggie’s stand on Europe, I’m with her 100%. You might disagree with one or two of her decisions in that regard but she understood the danger of allowing a faceless bureaucracy in Brussels dictate policy to the British with little or no accountability.
I’m not an opponent of European unity on common problems. But I am an opponent of unaccountable bureaucracy.
Although I was a labour suporter in her days, I admired her stance against selling Britain down the drain to Europe, labour has done that to us in Britain, now we are coping with an out of control labour party who have no desire to really give the people true democracy, it is all about control and how to manipulate the masses. This labour government and teh Blair one are a disgrace, Labour should be banned from ever taking office again until they get their act together.
The United Kingdom’s first female Prime Minister.
The Russians named PM Thatcher The Iron Lady
(Wonder what the USSR will nickname our first black president)
Happy anniversary Lady Thatcher.
Thanks for the heads up Mike.
I’m off to wish my Brit. Buddies ‘Happy Anniversary’ 🙂
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OT
or maybe not
What a deference a few years make?
http://pandemicinformationnews.blogspot.com/2009_03_08_archive.html
March 14, 2009
PARIS
Some WHO employees and contractors have gone months without getting paid, while others have reportedly been paid twice as a result of system hiccups.
Some employees at UNAIDS have had to use credit cards to cover basic living expenses because of salary shortfalls. Others can’t get loans because banks won’t accept the payroll system’s incomprehensible, voluminous pay “stubs” as proof of employment, according to the UNAIDS employees’ letter.
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Catherine
@philly_nj: I haven’t visited any of the Brit Blogs to see how they are commemorating this anniversary. If you come across anything, please drop a link here.
@Mike
Glad you mentioned the anniversary. As I have said before on here I believe – she was the best PM in the 20th Century after Churchill. I agree with pretty much everything you said above except that she called for harmony. She may have called for it – but it wasn’t genuine – in that it was her way or the high way. Which is fine – as her way was the best way for the 80s. Britain needed shock treatment to get itself out of the appalling stupour it managed to get itself into. She fought the miners and many other unions, the Wets, socialism, the Argentinans etc.
It was a shame that she didn’t quit when she was ahead – say in 1988 or 1989 but that’s hindsight. By that stage she was looking for new dragons to slay but it was her who was looking out of step. It was a shame she didn’t groom a successor (suppose that’s a double-edged sword – if you consider Eden and Brown). And I was surprised she didn’t go down fighting but let the backstabbers win. The Tories were foolish in ditching her because they may have won the 1992 election by doing so under the lame overpromoted Major – but they effectively ensured that they would be kicked out for a generation.
I think Blair took more than a few leaves out of her book – but unfortunately Labour continues it’s slide further to the left under the current no-hoper Brown.
I’d gladly trade BO, Timmy, Nancy, Harry, Hillary, Gibbs for 1 Margaret Thatcher – I’ll even throw in Dodd, Rangle, schumer and Specter!
@GaffaUK: It’s a rare day when I find myself agreeing with you.
I’ll just elaborate on the lesson of Thatcher’s fall and see if you still agree.
She fell because she refused to budge on principle. Primarily that of refusing to further integrate into Europe. In the last portion of the second video she addresses that topic. She’s very clear that giving up national political power to an unaccountable bureaucracy is a bad idea. Very similar to the debates we are having in this country over giving Washington more and more power.
And her mealy-mouthed replacements, who were more moderate, were soon relegated to minority status where they remain.
That’s very similar to the discussion about what path the Republican Party in this country should take. Dems, moderates and some GOPrs are suggesting we need to be more moderate and drop the social issues. That’s a prescription for minority status for years to come as well.
@FedUp: Who would want all those asses?
@Mike
It was Europe & the Poll Tax which got her in the end. The poll tax was a silly unfeasible idea – especially when she foolishly imposed it on the Scots a year before the English. As for Europe – I have mixed feelings. I would like EU to return to the EEC – basically a trading block and not a political union – but I don’t want the UK to leave the EU and try to go it alone. Thatcher fought against Europe BUT it was her who signed the single European Act and it was her successor, Major who signed Maastricht Treaty – which brought into closer political union with Europe. If she was against Europe as much as she said she was – then why sign the Single European Act? The British generally aren’t keen on Europe – and we unlike a lot of other Europeans haven’t had a referendum over these key treaties (normally supported by all parties except the tiny fringe parties like UKIP) since 1974. Basically the country has sleepwalked into this situation. Thatcher has responsibility over this as well as other PMs.
@GaffaUK: It’s unforgiveable that it was her own party that stabbed her in the back. They deserve what they got as a result.
As for Maggie’s stand on Europe, I’m with her 100%. You might disagree with one or two of her decisions in that regard but she understood the danger of allowing a faceless bureaucracy in Brussels dictate policy to the British with little or no accountability.
I’m not an opponent of European unity on common problems. But I am an opponent of unaccountable bureaucracy.