Let’s see, Doug… she was announced on Friday morning… when we knew Gustav was bearing down somewhere on the US Gulf coast. Even the GOP convention is scaling back, changing their convention to the basics and turning it into a relief fundraiser.
The news will be dominated by Gustav, and the states suffering serious toll on human life and property.
And you think, in this time, they should re’prioritize and instead run a national interview with Sarah?
Doug, Doug… think. Again, you’re being impatient. When there is time for such news, it will happen. She’s not sealed off. She’s just lower on the news totem pole at the moment.
wordsmith
17 years ago
Those wishing to contribute are advised to write in “Sarah Palin” in the box on the contribution form just to let Senator McCain know
D’oh! Now you tell me…
Oh, well. I’m sure he realizes this bump in contributions is no accident to the VP announcement.
Great analogy, I also thought about it on Saturday, ruminating about a comparison to her….she is Teddy Roosevelt, Maggie Thatcher, Annie Oakley and Wonder Woman all rolled up into One!!!
I have no doubt that she will be the next VPOTUS.
Joy
17 years ago
WOW!! I can not tell you enough how greatly impressed I am by this incredible, honorable, inteligent woman.. John McCain had my vote before she was placed on the ticket but now I am even more excited because of Sarah.. By the way.. Did you know Sarah means Princess in Hebrew.. So we will have a living Princess in the white house.. Who knew?? 🙂
Anxiously awaiting to cast my vote in Maine..
Joy
Trisha
17 years ago
WOW is right!! I have alredy been volunteering in the McCain Campaign but since Friday everyone is totally jazzed and revved up and ready to roll their sleeve up and work even harder!
I have been appointed as my City Chair for Women for McCain Coalition! Sarah has just made my work so much easier! What a gal!! LOVE her!!
The best thing about her is that out of the four candidates she is the only one with any executive experience! Best of all is that she is waaaay more experienced that NObama!!
The choice for the next president/vice president is a no brainer!!
GO MCCAIN/PALIN!!
robert c.
17 years ago
I would like to comment on John McCain’s speech at the convention on Thursday. His was a MOVING, sincere and humble speech by a man of GIANT STATURE in impeccable integrity.
It takes a great man to be willing to let others take some of the credit for his hard work. I noticed the proud gleam of a father’s eye when he introduced us all to Sarah Palin as his Vice President and protege.
Within a very short time of sitting under his leadership and tutelage, Sarah Palin will be well prepared for any duty she may be required to assume, including the presidency. THIS IS HONOR. From looking at her family photos, it is obvious that her family brought her up in the true AMERICAN FRONTIER TRADITION. Who knew it was still possible in the 21st Century?
For a long time, this country has been HUNGRY FOR LEADERS, NOT BUREAUCRATS.
John McCain and Sarah Palin are true LEADERS.
I pray for them every day – especially that God will help them weather the brutal abuse of the main stream media and the wiles of George Soros’s “Chosen One.”
Perhaps America has not forgotten about the millions of our forbears who have paid for our freedom with their very lives. I know John McCain hasn’t forgotten.
Thank you for sharing these pictures with us.
A republican relative has informed me of one of the talking points (non-issues) that Teddy Roosevelt was only governor for two years before becoming president. A lot of folksy folks will hear this, and repeat it. However, many won’t take the time to really compare Palin, Roosevelt, Biden, McCain, and Obama. Here are some fun facts:
Teddy Roosevelt also:
• was a conservationist, calling for conservation of natural resources. He also played a large role in the slow, but eventual Wilderness Act of 1964,because of his preservation of many federally designated Wilderness Areas, many of which are still protected till this day under the Wilderness Act. He was also close friends with John Muir, the founder of the Sierra Club.
• the first president to call for a universal health care system. Something that MCCain is against
• a self-proclaimed Progressive, something that Obama is as well
• Harvard student, something Obama is also.
• Went to law school. So did Obama. In fact, Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review. Sarah Palin went to five different colleges in six years because she couldn’t settle.
If you really want to compare Teddy Roosevelt to the Candidates, you’ll loose with McCain. Palin is a JOKE.
No Ms. Bell. The joke here is the sneering contempt you lefties have for anything and anyone who doesn’t come from one of your elites or the approved group of victims you abuse in order to achieve political power.
Sarah Palin is so like the rough and ready Teddy Roosevelt whose image has been ingrained on history and coincidences in comparison with Obama are nothing more.
Something tells me Obama wouldn’t be much use out in the wilderness living off the land like both T.R. and S. P.
Worried for America's Future
17 years ago
No Mike. Sarah Bell is right. McCain and Palin will continue the destructive policies of George W. Bush. Palin is likable on the surface because she appears to look like one of us, like our friends, our families, brothers and sisters. It’s easy to like Sarah Palin. I like my sister . . . but that doesn’t mean I think she should be President or Vice-President. She’s a wonderful person, but she’d make a horrible President/Vice-President; worse than Bush. Throw personal emotion out the window and re-evaluate the candidates. We don’t have to like the President, we just need a president who will do their job. If you want four more years of fear, war, scandal, and economic collapse; if you want for more years like the last eight under Bush/Cheney; if you want four more years of being ignored until “voting time” then vote for McCain and Palin.
You mean like keeping us safe from terrorist attacks on the homeland since 9/11? You mean like drawing all the poison out of the Middle East and into Iraq where Al Queda could be destroyed and is now seen as defeated and rejected by fellow Muslims?
And Economic collapse? The unemployment rate is still lower than it was during the Clinton years and I bet you called that a boomtime.
The last eight years have been filled with nothing more from you lefties but a stream of hate and abuse directed at Bush, conservatives and Republicans.
And it appears you are ready to continue that divisive, angry hate filled campaign for another 8 years.
doug
17 years ago
While I agree with the conclusion of W.A.F’s point, that Palin would make a horrible VP, I disagree it’s “easy to like her”. Personally, for me, I think she’s tied herself to a man that has no political keel, or ethical bearings, he’ll will go wherever the conservative social base tells him to go. That’s essentially why he has her instead of Joe or Mitt– the social conservatives wouldn’t have supported McCain if he didn’t bow to their demands and pick a ‘fundamentalist.’
She’s hardly ‘a wonderful person’, too. She has joined McCain in pushing the threshold of truth-telling to fantasy and absurd proportions and plays political hardball just as well as her mainland GOP relatives.
McCain ” will go wherever the conservative social base tells him to go. ”
What planet are you on Doug? Do you know NOTHING about McCain’s repeated efforts to buck the conservative base?
I confronted McCain personally on several of those points in November last year. It’s one of the reasons so many conservatives were squeamish about supporting McCain.
This choice of Sarah Palin is the only reason so many of us can support him enthusiastically now.
And to you that’s a bad thing.
Well too bad!
You’re stuck with Obama and Biden.
Or as I like to call them: Dumb and Dumber!
doug
17 years ago
Mike, that was last November.
Now, he’s “acceptable” due to Palin:
Divided and despondent a few months ago, U.S. social conservatives gather on Friday for a self-styled “values voters” summit newly energized by the addition of Sarah Palin to the Republican White House ticket.
A dyed-in-the-wool cultural and religious conservative, Palin, the 44-year-old governor of Alaska, is a perfect fit for this crowd: devoutly Christian, staunchly opposed to abortion rights, a mother of five and a moose hunter to boot.
Since Republican nominee John McCain chose Palin as his vice presidential running mate, the two have reignited party enthusiasm in the race against Democrat Barack Obama and running mate Joe Biden ahead of the November 4 election.
This has helped to inject hot-button social issues such as abortion and gay rights back into a campaign that had been dominated by topics that were seen as beneficial to the Democrats, such as the ailing economy and unpopular Iraq war.
Palin has been love at first sight for conservative Christians looking for a Republican savior and stands in stark contrast to the movement’s long and stormy relationship with McCain, who in the past clashed with its leaders and backed policies that angered them, such as research into medical uses for stem cells.
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You won’t find me complaining Doug. And I am not surprised YOU are.
But I think you better look to your own party before you come pointing fingers at mine.
You nominated one of the weakest general election candidates in modern history.
doug
17 years ago
You may not be complaining, but Tony is:
The Brody File has learned that the offer of a short video from vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin to folks at this weekend’s Value Voters Summit has been turned down by its president, Tony Perkins.
A source inside John McCain’s campaign tells me that Palin was set to record the video Wednesday in Virginia before she left for Alaska. But when the McCain campaign approached Perkins about offering the video rather than a personal appearance Perkins said, according to numerous witnesses, “That’s not enough.”
Apparently, when you read the full article, they even rejected a video substitute for President Bush because of a “no video” policy. Guess Tony’s not all that livid. Especially the reasons why Palin was declining to appear.
Let’s see… Palin has the choice of speaking at the Summit for campaign purposes, or attending her son’s deployment ceremony…. ummmmm. Tough choice…. NOT.
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Doug is just trying to manipulate McCain-Palin voters with the same disinformation tactics we have all become so accustomed to seeing from his side.
It’s undeniable that social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, reform conservatives and even neocon foreign policy conservatives are pretty darned pleased with Palin.
Too bad Doug’s Dem friends can’t say the same about Biden.
doug
17 years ago
It’s not that simple:
According to multiple sources, Palin was set to appear in person at the Summit which is billed as the largest gathering of value voters in the country. But a McCain source says plans changed when they were alerted that she needed to go to Alaska Thursday to be with her son as he deployed to Iraq.
The conservative conference is Friday and concludes Sunday morning. Palin is set to make a campaign stop in Nevada on Saturday. John McCain is in the Washington D.C. area that weekend with no scheduled public events but a source tells me he has a full day of campaign business to attend to.
She was scheduled to appear in person. The ‘Values’ conference is 3 days long, ending Sunday afternoon. Yet on Saturday she’ll be campaigning in Nevada. She could have made it.
McCain who had a clear calendar also said no:
John McCain won’t attend a gathering of religious conservatives this weekend — and the Republican presidential nominee won’t have to ask for forgiveness.
The Arizona senator’s selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate has appeased the evangelical and social conservatives who form his party’s core voters. Now, they are letting him know that he doesn’t need to further demonstrate his fealty.
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There are also these indicators that provide a glimpse into McCain wanting to distance himself from this body:
(MSNBC) At last year’s Values Voters Summit – a gathering of almost 2000 Christian political activists – Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee were breakout hits. And John McCain? He spoke to a polite crowd that later voted him dead last in their straw poll.
and
ABC News’ Teddy Davis reports: Conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly is taking the McCain campaign to task for notifying her at the last minute that Sarah Palin will be a no-show on Tuesday when the Republican National Coalition for Life holds an event honoring the Alaska governor.
“I think this is clearly somebody in the McCain campaign who doesn’t understand where the votes are coming from,” Schlafly told ABC News. “They only told me this at 10 o’clock last night, and it was a call from somebody down-the-line in the McCain campaign.
In the end, they both get what they want, but there is little doubt shadow games are afoot.
First of all, Doug… it is essentially a two day event. Friday was the day loaded up with speakers, as the entire afternoon of Saturday is all Breakout Sessions. Sunday is a breakfast and morning worship only.
The slot that seems to have McCain “and/or” Barack Obama was Saturday at 2:40-3pm, before the sessions began. Palin was in Nevada for another appearance, and McCain was in the beltway doing whatever it is he needed to do.
Saturday was a conflict of scheduling, and out of the question for Palin. This leaves Friday only, and entailed shuffling around speakers.
Even were they amiable to that, it’s a 9-10 hour flight from Anchorage to Wash DC… then add the time difference. If you leave Anchorage at 7AM, you don’t land until 8-9pm. The last speaker on Friday was Mitt Romney, scheduled to speak at 7:15 to 7:35pm… when Palin would still be in the air.
So unless you’ve got a Star Trek transporter stashed in your closet, just how did you plan for her to attend in person? So nope… no scandal. Just no time in the day, guy. Poof…. bubble burst.
As for McCain, he apparently had stuff on his platter that also conflicted for Saturday, when he was scheduled.
Secondly… your link leads nowhere. Perhaps you’d like to correct it?
Third… I’ll bite. Now why do you think McCain/Palin would concertedly dodge the Christian voters at the Summit, when the Christian base is believed to be GOP’s territory?
doug
17 years ago
MH says,
“Now why do you think McCain/Palin would concertedly dodge the Christian voters at the Summit, when the Christian base is believed to be GOP’s territory?”
Just look at the line up of speakers. You don’t remember the cool and colder things said to and about McCain by Dobbs, Dobson, Perkins, Hannity, Schlafly, and his buddy Romney (the only former GOP presidential primary candidates to show up this time).
Add, last year’s cool reception, that I’ve already stated above. Plus, the years of ‘agents of intolerance’ abrasiveness.
McCain wants those moderates, those independents to feel he’s his own man, not hog tied to the GOP-Church. If he would have attended, or Palin, the press would have had a field day running down the old blood relations and comments like this that Perkins made yesterday:
Tony Perkins, an influential conservative leader, said Wednesday that he viewed Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R) selection as a “political” pick designed to win over the conservative base and appease social conservatives who had concerns about John McCain.
Perkins, the head of the Family Research Council (FRC), said that most conservatives he knew expressed “relief” that Republican presidential candidate McCain did not pick an abortion-rights supporter like Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) or former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge as his running mate.
Palin, on the other hand, was a “brilliant pick from a political standpoint” that helped McCain win over social conservatives.
Perkins, speaking to reporters at a breakfast hosted by The Christian Science Monitor, said he believed McCain was more likely to pick someone he has known for a while and trusts, like Lieberman or Ridge. But Palin was an out-of-the-box pick and prompted questions about how long McCain had known the Alaska governor before offering her the No. 2 spot.
When asked directly then if Perkins viewed Palin as a purely political pick, the religious right leader said, “Yeah, I think so.
“I think it was a very strategic and, in the end, political pick,” Perkins said.
Pretty dumb, huh??? They aren’t known for their candor.
Also, of course, Palin didn’t have to go to Nevada. It could have waited. In the end, they didn’t want the bad press, that’s why they skipped. The link I posted above is why it’s okay that they skipped it: the fundamentalists now have their ‘red meated’ Palin, they are now sated. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aMOAN7m2Ik8I&refer=home
It also helps explain why Brody asks, at the end of his column:
What say you? Should McCain and/or Palin have made the effort to be there or should Tony Perkins at The Family Research Council have just accepted the videotape and offered the option to the other major party ticket?
Let’s be clear. There is no love lost between McCain and them. It is an arrangement of necessity.
Doug, you’re not making any sense here. There are some long time McCain supporters like CentFla. But there is a huge contingency of conservative voters who haven’t been enthused with McCain since his run in 2000.
As I pointed out, Palin could not possibly be there. McCain’s appearance? I’m not sure what he was up to… said “campaign business”. Frankly, you see this as some sort of conspiratorial snubbing, and I see it as scheduling conflicts. I’m sure you’d prefer the former because you’d love to have the rift in the GOP that you have in the DNC. But oops… seems that McCain looks pretty darned good by teaming up with another maverick, who doesn’t look at the initial after a lawmakers name before going after them. Her presence makes us feel he is less tight with Lieberman (who I genuinely like, but not domestica policies), and actually a little more conservative than we give him credit for.
Just because there’s no love lost between the conservatives like Hannity and Schlafly doesn’t mean McCain’s going to dodge them. He knows he needs their votes, and isn’t banking on only moderates and ostracized Hillary supporters.
But you can keep on “hoping”…. afterall, hope is all you DNC’ers got.
I’m a facts kind of girl, Doug. Your fantasy theories of McCain or Palin avoiding a huge conservative constituency don’t hold any water. They are merely devices of your imagination.
I understand what you are saying. I’m just telling you your brain cells function in fiction better than non-fiction.
Then again, you are our FA token crystal ball guy… but it’s always proven to be dusty.
Doug, take it from me, someone who has actually been to one of these conservative events (where I was introduced to Phyllis Schlafly by my ex boss): despite your best efforts to find a cloud in the conservative base’s enthusiasm for Mccain Palin you are wasting your time.
Once again, since your own parties choice for VP has proven to be such a dud, I realize why you would seek to undermine ours but it won’t work.
Annie of NH
17 years ago
The FACT is we really have little real choice as the MACHINE has CHOSEN the two candidates long ago. Yes Ms. Palin has a uterus, breasts, shoots animals, has offered a $150 bounty for left front leg of wolves, knows how to dress a moose, and a degree (Idaho Univ) in journalism after 5-6 years of education. This is NOT American Idol – the ONLY reason Plain was put in this slot ala KARL ROVE – is to once again, zero in on the utility building tambourine ( I was raised in Bible Belt country and once belonged to one of these ‘churches’) playing – gun toting ( I believe in gun ownership) – etc crowd. These are the same folks that Senator McCain told ( West Virginia – Ohio – Pennsylvania) that with the steel mills shuttered ( sent to China with his vote on treaties/ also Democrat votes) and their homes in foreclosure that they could make a living ‘by selling their stuff on Ebay’. Talk about out of touch. He owns (couldn’t remember) 9 homes, sent his children to the top private schools, owns a corporate jet (no searching – pawing – being bumped from airlines for him) – and has voted consistently against veteran issues. John’s buddy former Senator Gramm / whom he called his ‘economic adviser’ –(now hiding out) is the AUTHOR of the two lawless bills ( 1999 – 2000) signed by Clinton no less, that have brought us to this real estate implosion and financial ruination —namely the Financial Modernization Act and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act —-which effectively REPEALED the Banking Act of 1933 and allowed the pigs into the trough. Issues —I attended some of the POW/MIA ’91-92 Hearings that McCain held where he insulted and rabidly attacked the mothers – wives of MIAs —calling them ‘craven – liars etc’ (on line you have the responsibility to KNOW whom you’re voting for). The result of these pathetic hearings was that JOHN’S records are SEALED ( why if he’s a hero) and the records of other veterans have been made a bureaucratic maze to access. John is lost back in the 60s. I have a FEELING that dear Sarah (chosen by ROVE) is a filler —–She’ll be lauded and praised / made center stage with all the BS PR that people buy into –until AFTER the election at which time a crisis will arise at home and darn she’ll have to attend to her FAMILY –then Joe Lieberman will get his spot in the SUN —the guy that Sen. McCain really wants. WATCH. PS John crashed five planes – four in training/ if his father hadn’t been head of the Pacific fleet he’d have been booted out/ no John wasn’t tortured. Please he was called the Crown Prince —they were thrilled to have such an important prisoner. He had the best of medical care. Can you name our longest held prisoner of war —and relate how he suffered?
The FACT is we really have little real choice as the MACHINE has CHOSEN the two candidates long ago. Yes Ms. Palin has a uterus, breasts, shoots animals, has offered a $150 bounty for left front leg of wolves, knows how to dress a moose, and a degree (Idaho Univ) in journalism after 5-6 years of education. This is NOT American Idol – the ONLY reason Plain was put in this slot ala KARL ROVE – is to once again, zero in on the utility building tambourine ( I was raised in Bible Belt country and once belonged to one of these ‘churches’) playing – gun toting ( I believe in gun ownership) – etc crowd. These are the same folks that Senator McCain told ( West Virginia – Ohio – Pennsylvania) that with the steel mills shuttered ( sent to China with his vote on treaties/ also Democrat votes) and their homes in foreclosure that they could make a living ‘by selling their stuff on Ebay’. Talk about out of touch. He owns (couldn’t remember) 9 homes, sent his children to the top private schools, owns a corporate jet (no searching – pawing – being bumped from airlines for him) – and has voted consistently against veteran issues. John’s buddy former Senator Gramm / whom he called his ‘economic adviser’ –(now hiding out) is the AUTHOR of the two lawless bills ( 1999 – 2000) signed by Clinton no less, that have brought us to this real estate implosion and financial ruination —namely the Financial Modernization Act and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act —-which effectively REPEALED the Banking Act of 1933 and allowed the pigs into the trough. Issues —I attended some of the POW/MIA ’91-92 Hearings that McCain held where he insulted and rabidly attacked the mothers – wives of MIAs —calling them ‘craven – liars etc’ (on line you have the responsibility to KNOW whom you’re voting for). The result of these pathetic hearings was that JOHN’S records are SEALED ( why if he’s a hero) and the records of other veterans have been made a bureaucratic maze to access. John is lost back in the 60s. I have a FEELING that dear Sarah (chosen by ROVE) is a filler —–She’ll be lauded and praised / made center stage with all the BS PR that people buy into –until AFTER the election at which time a crisis will arise at home and darn she’ll have to attend to her FAMILY –then Joe Lieberman will get his spot in the SUN —the guy that Sen. McCain really wants. WATCH. PS John crashed five planes – four in training/ if his father hadn’t been head of the Pacific fleet he’d have been booted out/ no John wasn’t tortured. Please he was called the Crown Prince —they were thrilled to have such an important prisoner. He had the best of medical care. Can you name our longest held prisoner of war —and relate how he suffered?
I think it’s the waiting room for the “More Bile than Brains” club of Bush haters.
It amazes me how skilled these loons are in filling every sentence with such bizarre combinations of factually inaccurate (i.e. “9 houses”) smear laden goo.
What a shame the recently passed prescription drug benefit for Medicare doesn’t include a provision to get these folks the mood stabilizers they so clearly need.
Although never called more Bile than Brains I have certainly been called acerbic and bitter by Mike before. And Doug, you have never, ever been more wrong about anything that you are about McCain.
For years (It feels like) I have come to this site and read as seemingly everyone on this site complained bitterly about McCain and his RINO ways. Over and over again the fact that he stood up against his (IMO MISGUIDED) party being run by idealouges who have changed many of the GOP platform ideals, or simply forgotten them once elected, McCain worked across the aisle and has legislation with his name and such extremists as Fiengold and Kennedy. He created the gang of 16 that got his excoriated on this site and many like it. He initially believed that the Bush tax cuts were the right idea but favored the rich inordinately. He believes that Global Warming is a man made event and that we should attempt to reverse its causes. He is a picture of credibility when it comes to pork barrel spending even when the GOP became drunk with power and allowed Stevens to become the most fiscally abusive Senator in 50 years and the sitting president lost his veto pen for six years.
You can chide John McCain for shifting slightly during an election if you are really that unimaginably naive to think that he is the only one ever to do so. You can turn the other way while Obama shifts his positions on gun control and Iraq policy and so many other positions if you really believe that other politicians do not do as McCain has done.
I write this with the giant Mike’s America “BUT” coming – But – I am no fan of the Palin pick either. I think she is a fine woman but there are literally hundreds, perhaps one thousand people more prepared to fill the role of President than her. She is a total trophy pick or we would not be looking at pictures of her in High School or the zoo or other such ridiculous poses for a candidate for high office. If she helps John get elected and he stays healthy she will do. But really, no more pictorials please. It deminishes all of us in my Holier Than Thou way of thinking. (I put that in there for you too MikeA)
I closing of this stupid rant (and thank you for sticking with me dear reader) I think that if you really believe that SP and TR have anything in common other than killing animals you are insane.
Teddy was a Soldier – Sarah is a hockey Mom
Teddy believed in Universal Health Care – Sarah not so much
Teddy traveled over seas extensively decades before becoming elected President – Sarah can see Russia from her back yard
Teddy prevented forestry using federal lands – Sarah wants to drill ANWR
Ted did more for conservation than any president before or since – Sarah, well see above
Sarah Palin has little in common with Teddy Roosevelt.
Centfla: Does your wife approve of you posting her photo on the internet?
As for the giant “But:”
The problem with McCain and conservatives was an issue of trust. That was what was behind my questions to him last November.
With the pick of Palin he showed conservatives we could trust him with the most important decision he would make prior to the election.
As for Teddy Roosevelt: He was only Governor for two years when selected to run as VP.
And I doubt very much he had anything in mind that was nearly as excessive as the federal land grabs that now prevent the exploitation of 2,000 acres of wasteland in ANWR out of 20 million.
Mike you forgot to lead with how attractive my wife was.
apology accepted
She knows where every pic of her is posted, as far as she knows…
I am proud of my wife but I think you know her story. That pic of us rock climbing in Red Rock on the one year anniversary of her diagnosis with cancer.
She has more in my opinion in common with Sarah Palin than Sarah has with Teddy. My wife and Sarah are both rock hard tough gals, and like Sarah, my wife married her HS sweetheart. Me.
I remember reading Joan’s story when I first started visiting FA in spring, CentFla. May I say that she certainly looks a’bloom and most lovely. And may she stay that way.
Now, the burning question is, just what does she see in you? LOL
Just kidding, of course…. But such a large opening, what could I do??
I never belittled her, on the contrary I said she was a fine woman who was just not ready to be president. I do not think that is belittling.
And although Joan does not mind the pics, she does not allow me to talk about her politics.
doug
17 years ago
When word leaked the Friday morning before the Republican National Convention that Sarah Palin was John McCain’s choice for vice president, a group of 40 religious leaders meeting in Washington all gave a standing ovation. They were convinced that McCain would settle on one of his buddies, Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman, men whose pro-choice views render them unworthy contenders from the Christian-right perspective. They didn’t know much about Palin, but the fact she wasn’t Ridge or Lieberman was enough to make them cheer
They were so surprised by McCain’s bold nod in their direction that their whole view of him changed. They were willing to re-evaluate him in the light of this astonishing appointment (though some in the room warned against getting carried away). “He’ll disappoint you,” they said, mindful of McCain’s inconsistency when it comes to pledging fealty to the religious right
The account of this gathering comes from Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center and senior adviser to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. He has been much in demand since the Palin pick, explaining to inquiring journalists the attributes of evangelicals and Pentecostals and where they differ from fundamentalists. He has a ready quip that he attributes to a Duke University professor: Evangelicals really, really like Billy Graham.
Fundamentalists think Billy Graham is a liberal. When news of Bristol Palin’s pregnancy broke during the GOP convention, Cromartie fielded calls from journalists wondering about the impact on the McCain campaign and on Palin’s status as an icon of traditional values. Cromartie assured them that McCain had ascended yet another rung in the eyes of conservative, religiously oriented voters because he didn’t make the 17-year-old’s pregnancy disqualifying. He noted that many of the mega-churches associated with the evangelical movement have crisis-pregnancy centers.
McCain is on a streak with evangelicals, which explains much of his sudden rise in the polls. “He’s had a trifecta,” says Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. First was the Saddleback forum and McCain’s interview with mega-church pastor Rick Warren, where McCain put to rest doubts that he could talk about his faith. Second was the Republican platform, where language aimed at finding common-ground solutions to reduce the number of abortions was struck from the final draft. The omission received scant notice from the media but hugely boosted McCain’s stock among pro-life activists. The offending language: “We invite all persons of good will, whether across the political aisle or within our party, to work together to reduce the incidence of abortion.”
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As I see it McCain certainly isn’t going to become a “member” of the religious right, he won’t be warming up to them, nor will he even tolerate them. He’s certainly a secular guy; there’s a history of it, it’s been in his fiber for a long time– that’s why they don’t trust him.
But the reality is that he doesn’t at all care about social policy, doesn’t give a rat’s ass about it. He’ll happily turn the _social_ agenda over to Palin, the religious right’s new centerfold; it’s why they are so giddy, that’s the trade off.
They clearly aren’t going to put her in charge of foreign policy or economics. What else is she going to do?
It’s her for them, and them for her social policy.
“But the reality is that he doesn’t at all care about social policy, doesn’t give a rat’s ass about it.”
How high are you Doug?
You might recall Senator McCain’s answer to Pastor Rick Warren’s question regarding the moment human rights are confered on babies: “At conception” or words to that effect was his answer.
Hardly the words of someone with no care about social policy.
I would expect someone with little care for social policy to respond: “that’s above my pay grade.”
He’s certainly a secular guy; there’s a history of it, it’s been in his fiber for a long time– that’s why they don’t trust him.
And yet, statements like this certainly doesn’t endear him to the militant secularists, does it?
But the reality is that he doesn’t at all care about social policy, doesn’t give a rats ass about it. He’ll happily turn the _social_ agenda over to Palin, the religious right’s new centerfold.
Doug, during her time as governor of Alaska, has she ever pushed any pro-life legislation?
Is there anything in McCain’s record to look to, that indicates he won’t appoint and support justices that conservatives will be happy with?
doug
17 years ago
“Doug, during her time as governor of Alaska, has she ever pushed any pro-life legislation?”
Irrelevant. Her being pro-life, and not having ‘pushed any legislation’, doesn’t impact my claim.
“Is there anything in McCain’s record to look to, that indicates he won’t appoint and support justices that conservatives will be happy with?”
According the social conservative evangelicals there is.
Irrelevant. Her being pro-life, and not having ‘pushed any legislation’, doesn’t impact my claim.
Of course not. Secularists and atheists on the Left love to fear-monger over the impact and influence of the religious right. Note how Gibson referenced “holy war”, trying to paint Palin as some sort of religious right-wing nut.
“Is there anything in McCain’s record to look to, that indicates he won’t appoint and support justices that conservatives will be happy with?”
According the social conservative evangelicals there is.
According to Planned Parenthood Action Fund there isn’t:
Brian Everett
17 years ago
I can’t believe people are seriously comparing her to Teddy Roosevelt…… Teddy Roosevelt for God’s sake. The man who:
Traveled extensively in Europe and Middle East during his youth
Had a photographic memory
Literally read a book everyday
Graduated from Harvard, Magna Cum Laude
At Harvard, edited the student magazine and was runner-up in the Harvard boxing championship
While in France, led a party to the summit of Mount Blanc: a feat which triggered his induction into the British Royal Society
Wrote the book “The Naval War of 1812” which was considered standard history for over 2 generations. The book undertook extensive and original research analyzing British and American naval tactics.
Also wrote a 4 volume history of the frontier titled “The Winning of the West” which had a major impact on historians as it presented an original version of the frontier thesis elaborated on by Fredrick Jackson Turner
Was a United States Civil Service Commissioner where he modernized and demanded the enforcement of civil service laws
President of the Board of NYC Police Commissioners where he radically reformed the NY Police Department
Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Formed the “Rough Riders”, the first US Volunteer Calvary Regiment, which he later became Colonel of
Governor of NY
All of this was done BEFORE his nomination for VP. If you think that Palin is even REMOTELY similar to Roosevelt, then you sir/ma’m are an idiot
Brian: No one ever said Palin and TR were identical twins.
You cite all the differences but failed to cite the big theme similarities.
Here’s some help to better inform your perspective:
Sunday, September 14, 2008
Palin, Roosevelt, and American Originals
by David R. Stokes
The rollout of Sarah Palin as the Republican vice presidential nominee appears to be morphing into a full-fledged juggernaut. Democratic strategists, not to mention their nominees, continue to scratch their heads while trying to play the familiar political games of catch-up and gotcha.
Governor Palin is a breath of fresh air to some, and a dangerous tornado to others. But all agree that she has changed the dynamics of a campaign that was beginning to appear inevitable. She has been compared to leaders of the past. During her now famous acceptance speech, she brought up the name of Harry S. Truman and talked about sharing a lot in common with the man from Missouri.
Some, though, have allowed their reach to exceed their grasp in trying to suggest that Sarah Palin could be the second coming of Theodore Roosevelt. The lady from Alaska may very well prove to be the real deal and continue to demonstrate that she is a natural on the national political stage. She may, in fact, be a unique politician who can make an indelible mark on the times. But we must be careful about rushing to see her as the reincarnation of anyone.
She may be something much more rare and valuable.
To say that Sarah Palin is no Teddy Roosevelt is not an insult – far from it. And Joe Biden would be wise to resist the temptation to use a flippant Lloyd Bentsen-like line during their debate next month. She may well prove to transcend Roosevelt and other usual-suspect names brought up to try to define her. Sometimes people are just themselves and grow to become the kind of leaders others want to emulate. This was certainly the case with TR.
There are some similarities between the Barracuda and the Bull Moose – and these have led to obvious comparisons. She is young – so was Teddy when he became the vice presidential nominee in 1900 at the age of forty-one. She has served as a governor for only a couple of years. It was the same with TR – less than 2 years as chief executive of New York. She likes to hunt, so did Mr. Roosevelt. She has a passion for reform. Again, ditto Teddy. Mr. Roosevelt had a large family – so does Sarah. And there is a compelling similarity between the two in the idea of taking on their own party, if need be – the so-called maverick factor.
There are, however, some very clear differences between our twenty-sixth president and the woman who would be vice president next January 20th.
Garret A. Hobart died on November 21, 1899. That name may not ring the proverbial bell with many, but he was the vice president of the United States at the time, serving under President William McKinley. They had soundly defeated William Jennings Bryan in 1896, and it was looking like the next election would be a rematch with the great orator.
With the political playing field suddenly wide open, Theodore Roosevelt found himself the subject of relentless speculation and discussion about the number two spot on the ticket in 1900. He was, at the time, completing his first year as governor of New York.
However, unlike Sarah Palin this year, Mr. Roosevelt was a well-known hero and household name by the time of his nomination to run with McKinley. This meteoric fame was driven by his exploits during the recent Spanish-American War. The country was enamored of the man who led a ragamuffin regiment known as the Rough Riders to success in the Battle of Kettle Hill and San Juan Hill (the latter eventually describing both actions).
When war broke out in 1898, TR was serving as Assistant Secretary of the Navy (a post his distant cousin, Franklin, would hold during World War One). He used his time there to prepare for the coming conflict, one he welcomed and advocated. Then he resigned to serve as a cavalry officer. He thrived on strenuous action.
His new found status as a hero-celebrity paved the way for his move to the governor’s mansion in Albany, just months after the famous July 1898 battle. And he hit the ground running there, as well – though he did find time to complete the writing of his thirteenth book. As governor, he was passionate about reform. In fact, one of the reasons so many New York Republicans liked the idea of Roosevelt running for vice president is that they would not have to deal with his annoying reform agenda.
William Allen White, a newspaper editor from Kansas who would later be known as the Sage of Emporia and spokesman for America’s middle class, wrote in 1899:
“There is no man in America today whose personality is rooted deeper in the hearts of the people than Theodore Roosevelt. He is more than a presidential possibility in 1904; he is a presidential probability. He is the coming American of the twentieth century.”
But Theodore Roosevelt wondered if his fame would endure long enough to be a viable candidate in 1904. He told one supporter, “I have never known a hurrah to last for five years.” Not known for patience or passivity, TR no doubt felt a sense of urgency to strike while the iron was hot.
He had his fans. But he had also made more than a few enemies over the years during his career climb from New York State Assemblyman, to service on the United States Civil Service Commission, to the presidency of the New York City Police Commissioners. Though he liked the idea of speaking softly and carrying a big stick, he was not actually known for a tempered-tongue. So it should not surprise us that some powerful people were less-than-impressed with Roosevelt and actually feared the idea of him anywhere near the White House.
Republican big-wig, Mark Hanna – U.S. Senator from Ohio and one of the most powerful politicians in the nation – famously remarked about Teddy’s nomination for the vice presidency: “Don’t you realize that there’s only one life between that madman and the White House?” He later told President McKinley, “your duty to the country is to live for four years from next March.” History, of course, tells us that Mr. McKinley did not live that long. He was shot while visiting the Pan-American Exposition in Buffalo, New York. He died eight days later.
On September 14, 1901 Theodore Roosevelt, at forty-two years of age, became the youngest man ever to become president of the United States.
People do not compare Theodore Roosevelt to his predecessors. Similarly, you never hear it suggested that Ronald Reagan was like someone before him, or that Franklin Roosevelt reminded the nation of an earlier president. They were not wannabes or hero-worshippers. The nation had not seen their likes before. And they have been used ever since as benchmarks for great executive leadership.
They were, in fact, American originals.
It is, of course, way too soon to predict such greatness for Sarah Palin, but searching for historical reference points to help us accept or understand any of the current candidates may actually miss the point.
We might just be seeing someone who does not need to remind us of “so and so.” Maybe there is a fresh American original on the political stage right now.
OK, nice pics. But when is she going to offer an interview for the national press?
She’s been sealed off tighter than a tupperware container.
Let’s see, Doug… she was announced on Friday morning… when we knew Gustav was bearing down somewhere on the US Gulf coast. Even the GOP convention is scaling back, changing their convention to the basics and turning it into a relief fundraiser.
The news will be dominated by Gustav, and the states suffering serious toll on human life and property.
And you think, in this time, they should re’prioritize and instead run a national interview with Sarah?
Doug, Doug… think. Again, you’re being impatient. When there is time for such news, it will happen. She’s not sealed off. She’s just lower on the news totem pole at the moment.
D’oh! Now you tell me…
Oh, well. I’m sure he realizes this bump in contributions is no accident to the VP announcement.
I think McCain got the message Wordsmith. I think he got it ten million times.
I add our contribution this morning too.
Thanks for the great pictures.
http://carlosechevarria.blogspot.com/2008/08/female-teddy-roosevelt.html
Great analogy, I also thought about it on Saturday, ruminating about a comparison to her….she is Teddy Roosevelt, Maggie Thatcher, Annie Oakley and Wonder Woman all rolled up into One!!!
I have no doubt that she will be the next VPOTUS.
WOW!! I can not tell you enough how greatly impressed I am by this incredible, honorable, inteligent woman.. John McCain had my vote before she was placed on the ticket but now I am even more excited because of Sarah.. By the way.. Did you know Sarah means Princess in Hebrew.. So we will have a living Princess in the white house.. Who knew?? 🙂
Anxiously awaiting to cast my vote in Maine..
Joy
WOW is right!! I have alredy been volunteering in the McCain Campaign but since Friday everyone is totally jazzed and revved up and ready to roll their sleeve up and work even harder!
I have been appointed as my City Chair for Women for McCain Coalition! Sarah has just made my work so much easier! What a gal!! LOVE her!!
The best thing about her is that out of the four candidates she is the only one with any executive experience! Best of all is that she is waaaay more experienced that NObama!!
The choice for the next president/vice president is a no brainer!!
GO MCCAIN/PALIN!!
I would like to comment on John McCain’s speech at the convention on Thursday. His was a MOVING, sincere and humble speech by a man of GIANT STATURE in impeccable integrity.
It takes a great man to be willing to let others take some of the credit for his hard work. I noticed the proud gleam of a father’s eye when he introduced us all to Sarah Palin as his Vice President and protege.
Within a very short time of sitting under his leadership and tutelage, Sarah Palin will be well prepared for any duty she may be required to assume, including the presidency. THIS IS HONOR. From looking at her family photos, it is obvious that her family brought her up in the true AMERICAN FRONTIER TRADITION. Who knew it was still possible in the 21st Century?
For a long time, this country has been HUNGRY FOR LEADERS, NOT BUREAUCRATS.
John McCain and Sarah Palin are true LEADERS.
I pray for them every day – especially that God will help them weather the brutal abuse of the main stream media and the wiles of George Soros’s “Chosen One.”
Perhaps America has not forgotten about the millions of our forbears who have paid for our freedom with their very lives. I know John McCain hasn’t forgotten.
Thank you for sharing these pictures with us.
A republican relative has informed me of one of the talking points (non-issues) that Teddy Roosevelt was only governor for two years before becoming president. A lot of folksy folks will hear this, and repeat it. However, many won’t take the time to really compare Palin, Roosevelt, Biden, McCain, and Obama. Here are some fun facts:
Teddy Roosevelt also:
• was a conservationist, calling for conservation of natural resources. He also played a large role in the slow, but eventual Wilderness Act of 1964,because of his preservation of many federally designated Wilderness Areas, many of which are still protected till this day under the Wilderness Act. He was also close friends with John Muir, the founder of the Sierra Club.
• the first president to call for a universal health care system. Something that MCCain is against
• a self-proclaimed Progressive, something that Obama is as well
• Harvard student, something Obama is also.
• Went to law school. So did Obama. In fact, Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review. Sarah Palin went to five different colleges in six years because she couldn’t settle.
If you really want to compare Teddy Roosevelt to the Candidates, you’ll loose with McCain. Palin is a JOKE.
No Ms. Bell. The joke here is the sneering contempt you lefties have for anything and anyone who doesn’t come from one of your elites or the approved group of victims you abuse in order to achieve political power.
Sarah Palin is so like the rough and ready Teddy Roosevelt whose image has been ingrained on history and coincidences in comparison with Obama are nothing more.
Something tells me Obama wouldn’t be much use out in the wilderness living off the land like both T.R. and S. P.
No Mike. Sarah Bell is right. McCain and Palin will continue the destructive policies of George W. Bush. Palin is likable on the surface because she appears to look like one of us, like our friends, our families, brothers and sisters. It’s easy to like Sarah Palin. I like my sister . . . but that doesn’t mean I think she should be President or Vice-President. She’s a wonderful person, but she’d make a horrible President/Vice-President; worse than Bush. Throw personal emotion out the window and re-evaluate the candidates. We don’t have to like the President, we just need a president who will do their job. If you want four more years of fear, war, scandal, and economic collapse; if you want for more years like the last eight under Bush/Cheney; if you want four more years of being ignored until “voting time” then vote for McCain and Palin.
“the destructive policies of George W. Bush”
You mean like keeping us safe from terrorist attacks on the homeland since 9/11? You mean like drawing all the poison out of the Middle East and into Iraq where Al Queda could be destroyed and is now seen as defeated and rejected by fellow Muslims?
And Economic collapse? The unemployment rate is still lower than it was during the Clinton years and I bet you called that a boomtime.
The last eight years have been filled with nothing more from you lefties but a stream of hate and abuse directed at Bush, conservatives and Republicans.
And it appears you are ready to continue that divisive, angry hate filled campaign for another 8 years.
While I agree with the conclusion of W.A.F’s point, that Palin would make a horrible VP, I disagree it’s “easy to like her”. Personally, for me, I think she’s tied herself to a man that has no political keel, or ethical bearings, he’ll will go wherever the conservative social base tells him to go. That’s essentially why he has her instead of Joe or Mitt– the social conservatives wouldn’t have supported McCain if he didn’t bow to their demands and pick a ‘fundamentalist.’
She’s hardly ‘a wonderful person’, too. She has joined McCain in pushing the threshold of truth-telling to fantasy and absurd proportions and plays political hardball just as well as her mainland GOP relatives.
McCain ” will go wherever the conservative social base tells him to go. ”
What planet are you on Doug? Do you know NOTHING about McCain’s repeated efforts to buck the conservative base?
I confronted McCain personally on several of those points in November last year. It’s one of the reasons so many conservatives were squeamish about supporting McCain.
This choice of Sarah Palin is the only reason so many of us can support him enthusiastically now.
And to you that’s a bad thing.
Well too bad!
You’re stuck with Obama and Biden.
Or as I like to call them: Dumb and Dumber!
Mike, that was last November.
Now, he’s “acceptable” due to Palin:
http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN1132586820080911
McCain couldn’t “buck the conservative base” this time, he needed it to win. So, he sold out.
You won’t find me complaining Doug. And I am not surprised YOU are.
But I think you better look to your own party before you come pointing fingers at mine.
You nominated one of the weakest general election candidates in modern history.
You may not be complaining, but Tony is:
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/442572.aspx
I would urge all to read the rest of the source “doug” just posted. His post kind of reminds me of what Gibson just did to Palin.
Good call, Ms. Missy
Apparently, when you read the full article, they even rejected a video substitute for President Bush because of a “no video” policy. Guess Tony’s not all that livid. Especially the reasons why Palin was declining to appear.
Let’s see… Palin has the choice of speaking at the Summit for campaign purposes, or attending her son’s deployment ceremony…. ummmmm. Tough choice…. NOT.
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Doug is just trying to manipulate McCain-Palin voters with the same disinformation tactics we have all become so accustomed to seeing from his side.
It’s undeniable that social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, reform conservatives and even neocon foreign policy conservatives are pretty darned pleased with Palin.
Too bad Doug’s Dem friends can’t say the same about Biden.
It’s not that simple:
She was scheduled to appear in person. The ‘Values’ conference is 3 days long, ending Sunday afternoon. Yet on Saturday she’ll be campaigning in Nevada. She could have made it.
McCain who had a clear calendar also said no:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aMOAN7m2Ik8I&refer=home
(Pls. read the whole piece.)
There are also these indicators that provide a glimpse into McCain wanting to distance himself from this body:
and
In the end, they both get what they want, but there is little doubt shadow games are afoot.
First of all, Doug… it is essentially a two day event. Friday was the day loaded up with speakers, as the entire afternoon of Saturday is all Breakout Sessions. Sunday is a breakfast and morning worship only.
The slot that seems to have McCain “and/or” Barack Obama was Saturday at 2:40-3pm, before the sessions began. Palin was in Nevada for another appearance, and McCain was in the beltway doing whatever it is he needed to do.
Saturday was a conflict of scheduling, and out of the question for Palin. This leaves Friday only, and entailed shuffling around speakers.
Even were they amiable to that, it’s a 9-10 hour flight from Anchorage to Wash DC… then add the time difference. If you leave Anchorage at 7AM, you don’t land until 8-9pm. The last speaker on Friday was Mitt Romney, scheduled to speak at 7:15 to 7:35pm… when Palin would still be in the air.
So unless you’ve got a Star Trek transporter stashed in your closet, just how did you plan for her to attend in person? So nope… no scandal. Just no time in the day, guy. Poof…. bubble burst.
As for McCain, he apparently had stuff on his platter that also conflicted for Saturday, when he was scheduled.
Secondly… your link leads nowhere. Perhaps you’d like to correct it?
Third… I’ll bite. Now why do you think McCain/Palin would concertedly dodge the Christian voters at the Summit, when the Christian base is believed to be GOP’s territory?
MH says,
“Now why do you think McCain/Palin would concertedly dodge the Christian voters at the Summit, when the Christian base is believed to be GOP’s territory?”
Just look at the line up of speakers. You don’t remember the cool and colder things said to and about McCain by Dobbs, Dobson, Perkins, Hannity, Schlafly, and his buddy Romney (the only former GOP presidential primary candidates to show up this time).
Add, last year’s cool reception, that I’ve already stated above. Plus, the years of ‘agents of intolerance’ abrasiveness.
McCain wants those moderates, those independents to feel he’s his own man, not hog tied to the GOP-Church. If he would have attended, or Palin, the press would have had a field day running down the old blood relations and comments like this that Perkins made yesterday:
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/perkins-says-palin-pick-purely-political-2008-09-10.html
Pretty dumb, huh??? They aren’t known for their candor.
Also, of course, Palin didn’t have to go to Nevada. It could have waited. In the end, they didn’t want the bad press, that’s why they skipped. The link I posted above is why it’s okay that they skipped it: the fundamentalists now have their ‘red meated’ Palin, they are now sated.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aMOAN7m2Ik8I&refer=home
It also helps explain why Brody asks, at the end of his column:
Let’s be clear. There is no love lost between McCain and them. It is an arrangement of necessity.
Doug, you’re not making any sense here. There are some long time McCain supporters like CentFla. But there is a huge contingency of conservative voters who haven’t been enthused with McCain since his run in 2000.
As I pointed out, Palin could not possibly be there. McCain’s appearance? I’m not sure what he was up to… said “campaign business”. Frankly, you see this as some sort of conspiratorial snubbing, and I see it as scheduling conflicts. I’m sure you’d prefer the former because you’d love to have the rift in the GOP that you have in the DNC. But oops… seems that McCain looks pretty darned good by teaming up with another maverick, who doesn’t look at the initial after a lawmakers name before going after them. Her presence makes us feel he is less tight with Lieberman (who I genuinely like, but not domestica policies), and actually a little more conservative than we give him credit for.
Just because there’s no love lost between the conservatives like Hannity and Schlafly doesn’t mean McCain’s going to dodge them. He knows he needs their votes, and isn’t banking on only moderates and ostracized Hillary supporters.
But you can keep on “hoping”…. afterall, hope is all you DNC’ers got.
…’not making any sense’ or you don’t understand.
I’m a facts kind of girl, Doug. Your fantasy theories of McCain or Palin avoiding a huge conservative constituency don’t hold any water. They are merely devices of your imagination.
I understand what you are saying. I’m just telling you your brain cells function in fiction better than non-fiction.
Then again, you are our FA token crystal ball guy… but it’s always proven to be dusty.
Doug, take it from me, someone who has actually been to one of these conservative events (where I was introduced to Phyllis Schlafly by my ex boss): despite your best efforts to find a cloud in the conservative base’s enthusiasm for Mccain Palin you are wasting your time.
Once again, since your own parties choice for VP has proven to be such a dud, I realize why you would seek to undermine ours but it won’t work.
The FACT is we really have little real choice as the MACHINE has CHOSEN the two candidates long ago. Yes Ms. Palin has a uterus, breasts, shoots animals, has offered a $150 bounty for left front leg of wolves, knows how to dress a moose, and a degree (Idaho Univ) in journalism after 5-6 years of education. This is NOT American Idol – the ONLY reason Plain was put in this slot ala KARL ROVE – is to once again, zero in on the utility building tambourine ( I was raised in Bible Belt country and once belonged to one of these ‘churches’) playing – gun toting ( I believe in gun ownership) – etc crowd. These are the same folks that Senator McCain told ( West Virginia – Ohio – Pennsylvania) that with the steel mills shuttered ( sent to China with his vote on treaties/ also Democrat votes) and their homes in foreclosure that they could make a living ‘by selling their stuff on Ebay’. Talk about out of touch. He owns (couldn’t remember) 9 homes, sent his children to the top private schools, owns a corporate jet (no searching – pawing – being bumped from airlines for him) – and has voted consistently against veteran issues. John’s buddy former Senator Gramm / whom he called his ‘economic adviser’ –(now hiding out) is the AUTHOR of the two lawless bills ( 1999 – 2000) signed by Clinton no less, that have brought us to this real estate implosion and financial ruination —namely the Financial Modernization Act and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act —-which effectively REPEALED the Banking Act of 1933 and allowed the pigs into the trough. Issues —I attended some of the POW/MIA ’91-92 Hearings that McCain held where he insulted and rabidly attacked the mothers – wives of MIAs —calling them ‘craven – liars etc’ (on line you have the responsibility to KNOW whom you’re voting for). The result of these pathetic hearings was that JOHN’S records are SEALED ( why if he’s a hero) and the records of other veterans have been made a bureaucratic maze to access. John is lost back in the 60s. I have a FEELING that dear Sarah (chosen by ROVE) is a filler —–She’ll be lauded and praised / made center stage with all the BS PR that people buy into –until AFTER the election at which time a crisis will arise at home and darn she’ll have to attend to her FAMILY –then Joe Lieberman will get his spot in the SUN —the guy that Sen. McCain really wants. WATCH. PS John crashed five planes – four in training/ if his father hadn’t been head of the Pacific fleet he’d have been booted out/ no John wasn’t tortured. Please he was called the Crown Prince —they were thrilled to have such an important prisoner. He had the best of medical care. Can you name our longest held prisoner of war —and relate how he suffered?
Is this the Sunday funnies thread?
I think it’s the waiting room for the “More Bile than Brains” club of Bush haters.
It amazes me how skilled these loons are in filling every sentence with such bizarre combinations of factually inaccurate (i.e. “9 houses”) smear laden goo.
What a shame the recently passed prescription drug benefit for Medicare doesn’t include a provision to get these folks the mood stabilizers they so clearly need.
Although never called more Bile than Brains I have certainly been called acerbic and bitter by Mike before. And Doug, you have never, ever been more wrong about anything that you are about McCain.
For years (It feels like) I have come to this site and read as seemingly everyone on this site complained bitterly about McCain and his RINO ways. Over and over again the fact that he stood up against his (IMO MISGUIDED) party being run by idealouges who have changed many of the GOP platform ideals, or simply forgotten them once elected, McCain worked across the aisle and has legislation with his name and such extremists as Fiengold and Kennedy. He created the gang of 16 that got his excoriated on this site and many like it. He initially believed that the Bush tax cuts were the right idea but favored the rich inordinately. He believes that Global Warming is a man made event and that we should attempt to reverse its causes. He is a picture of credibility when it comes to pork barrel spending even when the GOP became drunk with power and allowed Stevens to become the most fiscally abusive Senator in 50 years and the sitting president lost his veto pen for six years.
You can chide John McCain for shifting slightly during an election if you are really that unimaginably naive to think that he is the only one ever to do so. You can turn the other way while Obama shifts his positions on gun control and Iraq policy and so many other positions if you really believe that other politicians do not do as McCain has done.
I write this with the giant Mike’s America “BUT” coming – But – I am no fan of the Palin pick either. I think she is a fine woman but there are literally hundreds, perhaps one thousand people more prepared to fill the role of President than her. She is a total trophy pick or we would not be looking at pictures of her in High School or the zoo or other such ridiculous poses for a candidate for high office. If she helps John get elected and he stays healthy she will do. But really, no more pictorials please. It deminishes all of us in my Holier Than Thou way of thinking. (I put that in there for you too MikeA)
I closing of this stupid rant (and thank you for sticking with me dear reader) I think that if you really believe that SP and TR have anything in common other than killing animals you are insane.
Teddy was a Soldier – Sarah is a hockey Mom
Teddy believed in Universal Health Care – Sarah not so much
Teddy traveled over seas extensively decades before becoming elected President – Sarah can see Russia from her back yard
Teddy prevented forestry using federal lands – Sarah wants to drill ANWR
Ted did more for conservation than any president before or since – Sarah, well see above
Sarah Palin has little in common with Teddy Roosevelt.
But she is kid of hot, she looks a lot like my wife.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/167910815_5f05545fe1_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/2349253747_afe61e336c_b.jpg
Centfla: Does your wife approve of you posting her photo on the internet?
As for the giant “But:”
The problem with McCain and conservatives was an issue of trust. That was what was behind my questions to him last November.
With the pick of Palin he showed conservatives we could trust him with the most important decision he would make prior to the election.
As for Teddy Roosevelt: He was only Governor for two years when selected to run as VP.
And I doubt very much he had anything in mind that was nearly as excessive as the federal land grabs that now prevent the exploitation of 2,000 acres of wasteland in ANWR out of 20 million.
Mike you forgot to lead with how attractive my wife was.
apology accepted
She knows where every pic of her is posted, as far as she knows…
I am proud of my wife but I think you know her story. That pic of us rock climbing in Red Rock on the one year anniversary of her diagnosis with cancer.
She has more in my opinion in common with Sarah Palin than Sarah has with Teddy. My wife and Sarah are both rock hard tough gals, and like Sarah, my wife married her HS sweetheart. Me.
I remember reading Joan’s story when I first started visiting FA in spring, CentFla. May I say that she certainly looks a’bloom and most lovely. And may she stay that way.
Now, the burning question is, just what does she see in you? LOL
Just kidding, of course…. But such a large opening, what could I do??
CentFla,
With all sincerity I want to say that I hope that your wife will have many, many more years of good health and happiness.
Cancer is an ugly, vicious, indeterminate enemy that attacks people of all ages, creeds, sexes, and colors.
I look forward to the day that I turn on the TV or click over to a page on the Internet to discover that cancer has been defeated.
I’m not sure what Joan did to deserve you but I am sure that if she asked for forgiveness she would be released from her torment.
🙂
funny you guys…
it is unquestionably my wit that ranks very high on Joan’s list of things to love about me. Oh, I am somewhat well off too, I understand that helps…
And what does Joan think about your belittling McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin?
P.S. I hope you have made a rather sizeable donation to the campaign. After all, McCain was your first choice. I’ve put my money where my mouth is!
I never belittled her, on the contrary I said she was a fine woman who was just not ready to be president. I do not think that is belittling.
And although Joan does not mind the pics, she does not allow me to talk about her politics.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158545/output/print
As I see it McCain certainly isn’t going to become a “member” of the religious right, he won’t be warming up to them, nor will he even tolerate them. He’s certainly a secular guy; there’s a history of it, it’s been in his fiber for a long time– that’s why they don’t trust him.
But the reality is that he doesn’t at all care about social policy, doesn’t give a rat’s ass about it. He’ll happily turn the _social_ agenda over to Palin, the religious right’s new centerfold; it’s why they are so giddy, that’s the trade off.
They clearly aren’t going to put her in charge of foreign policy or economics. What else is she going to do?
It’s her for them, and them for her social policy.
“But the reality is that he doesn’t at all care about social policy, doesn’t give a rat’s ass about it.”
How high are you Doug?
You might recall Senator McCain’s answer to Pastor Rick Warren’s question regarding the moment human rights are confered on babies: “At conception” or words to that effect was his answer.
Hardly the words of someone with no care about social policy.
I would expect someone with little care for social policy to respond: “that’s above my pay grade.”
And yet, statements like this certainly doesn’t endear him to the militant secularists, does it?
Doug, during her time as governor of Alaska, has she ever pushed any pro-life legislation?
Is there anything in McCain’s record to look to, that indicates he won’t appoint and support justices that conservatives will be happy with?
“Doug, during her time as governor of Alaska, has she ever pushed any pro-life legislation?”
Irrelevant. Her being pro-life, and not having ‘pushed any legislation’, doesn’t impact my claim.
“Is there anything in McCain’s record to look to, that indicates he won’t appoint and support justices that conservatives will be happy with?”
According the social conservative evangelicals there is.
Doug: Give it a rest. You’re boring the readers to tears.
Of course not. Secularists and atheists on the Left love to fear-monger over the impact and influence of the religious right. Note how Gibson referenced “holy war”, trying to paint Palin as some sort of religious right-wing nut.
According to Planned Parenthood Action Fund there isn’t:
I can’t believe people are seriously comparing her to Teddy Roosevelt…… Teddy Roosevelt for God’s sake. The man who:
Traveled extensively in Europe and Middle East during his youth
Had a photographic memory
Literally read a book everyday
Graduated from Harvard, Magna Cum Laude
At Harvard, edited the student magazine and was runner-up in the Harvard boxing championship
While in France, led a party to the summit of Mount Blanc: a feat which triggered his induction into the British Royal Society
Wrote the book “The Naval War of 1812” which was considered standard history for over 2 generations. The book undertook extensive and original research analyzing British and American naval tactics.
Also wrote a 4 volume history of the frontier titled “The Winning of the West” which had a major impact on historians as it presented an original version of the frontier thesis elaborated on by Fredrick Jackson Turner
Was a United States Civil Service Commissioner where he modernized and demanded the enforcement of civil service laws
President of the Board of NYC Police Commissioners where he radically reformed the NY Police Department
Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Formed the “Rough Riders”, the first US Volunteer Calvary Regiment, which he later became Colonel of
Governor of NY
All of this was done BEFORE his nomination for VP. If you think that Palin is even REMOTELY similar to Roosevelt, then you sir/ma’m are an idiot
Brian: No one ever said Palin and TR were identical twins.
You cite all the differences but failed to cite the big theme similarities.
Here’s some help to better inform your perspective:
Why would I cite similarities? There are none……