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There was a recent clamor about Obama’s birth certificate, which no one had yet seen, the major one being proof of whether Obama is a “natural born citizen,” as required by the Constitution. The Campaign has not produced it and the internet bubbled with intrigue on the subject until Daily Kos posted what appeared to be a copy of the birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii.

Here it is. A larger version is at the Kos link.

This satisfied most people who even knew about the issue.

Back in 2004, the proof of Dan Rather’s phony documents concerning President Bush’s service in Texas National Guard came from a blogger with a talent for spotting forgeries. He knew that the font on the documents had not been used until after the dates the documents were allegedly typed.

So what about Obama’s “Birth Certificate?” I have no idea if it is a fake or not. Though Kos says he got it from the Obama Campaign, to my knowledge the Campaign has not allowed Hawaii to release a copy directly to the press, which sounds pretty easy to do, and would resolve the matter.

A blogger named Polarik over at Townhall says

I’ve been working with computers, printers, and typewriters for over 20 years, and given a set of printed letters, I can discern what kind of device made them. Printer output is quite different from the text created by a graphics program, and even if a document looks “official,” it may not be.

He goes on to say that the Daily Kos “Birth Certificate” was quite clearly produced with a computer graphics program and was not simply text printed out on a pre-printed certificate form.

As one example, comparing the Obama certificate (top) to the author’s own real Birth Certificate (bottom), you can see that Obama’s has distorted pixels around the letters and the background image between the letters disappears. On the real one, there is no halo of distorted pixels around the letters and you can see the background pattern between the letters. I have left in the author’s explanation between the two images but you have to click the image to make it easier to read.


The author goes on to show how the borders of the document were created using overlapping rectangles instead of actual lines.

It may be the case that Hawaii uses a graphics program to create its Birth Certificates, in which case, the author just proved it as a fact. All Obama has to do to make this go away is tell Hawaii to release an authentic copy. Failing to do so will only make people continue to wonder what he is hiding.

Also find Bill Dupray at The Patriot Room

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Did not know that Honolulu was a country?

I’ve been following this story since it first bubbled up and have found it rather interesting.

My big question about is, why did the Obamanation refuse all requests for the birth certificate over the course of the last several months and then suddenly release it to a Lefty blogger?

Wouldn’t it have been better, and more effective, to put this issue to rest by releasing it at a press conference while having the original embossed, certified copy available for inspection?

My examination of this document when it first came out on Kos lead me to have lingering doubt just like many of the others who have looked at it in detail.

For those who here are smarter than me, I do have one question though.

Who is ultimately responsible for verifying an individual’s basic qualifications for public office? When the rubber meets the road who sits down and dots the i’s and crosses the t’s for the things that the Constitution has listed?

Is there anyone responsible for verifying it? Or do those matters fall to the candidate and the “honor system”?

I have to believe that Obama, as a US senator, has a security clearance. I have to assume the clearance is at the Top Secret level and above. The background investigation that one needs to go through in order to get such a clearance is intensive. I have gone through it and they leave no stone unturned. My best recollection is that a certified copy of a birth certificate may not be good enough – they want the original. They will investigate issues like this directly by visiting the places in question. Therefore, speculation that Obama is not a citizen is likely to be wasted effort.

There may very well be something on the original certificate that the candidate does not want seen, but there’s little doubt in my mind that he is a citizen. It was news to me that the campaign has not owned up to sending the copy to Kos, though. That’s strange.

Another interesting question is what would happen if someone is elected to the senate and “fails” the investigation and is denied a security clearance. Could they serve?

I would assume that someone who was elected to the Senate and failed the check could serve, though I would hope that it would affect what committees they could sit on. I say that not because I know for certain, but because I know enough about the general character and criminal backgrounds of Congressmen (worse than the average American) that I am dead certain that some of them would never pass a security clearance check – so this would already have come up . Just having a lot of debt, or having a secret that could be used to blackmail you, can cause you to fail a check (the theory being that this makes you vulnerable to bribery or blackmail). I also obtained a clearance at a previous job, and knew of a couple of coworkers who had been turned down. You don’t have to be squeaky clean just to get a regular clearance, but it’s not like you have to be a known terrorist sympathizer to get turned down either.

Chris,

You raise a good point however I wonder if being elected doesn’t bypass the background check process that a normal person would have to go through because, as you mention, a person who is elected and then “fails” would be a sticky situation.

I really wonder what the Obamanation is hiding.

There’s something there that he doesn’t want the rest of us to know about.

Edited to add that the birth certificate, or lack thereof, would be no big deal when he ran for the Senate because there is no “natural born” requirement there.

Your assumption that Obama has had a security clearance investigation just because he is a Senator, is not necessarily warranted. There is no security requirement for running and being elected; and if he’s a risk (like Leahy, Vt), we may just be SOL. I’m not sure, but I wouldn’t make the assumption.

You tin-foil hat wearing knuckle-draggers just never learn. The birth certificates are from different states for chrissake.

Honolulu is a county. Not a country.

There is no requirement that a Senator have a security clearance. That is only the case if they sit on certain commitees I believe. Which commitees I do not know but it probably wouldn’t be to difficult to find out. What happens if a Senator is on a commitee and does not have a clearance I’m not sure. I think they can ask that the Senator be removed for that meeting or the person can refuse to testify. Not all meetings would require a clearance.

You tin-foil hat wearing knuckle-draggers just never learn. The birth certificates are from different states for chrissake.

Juanita,

Is that you?

I’d like to see McCain’s navy records. All of them- just like John Kerry was hounded to release.

I’d like to see McCain’s navy records. All of them- just like John Kerry was hounded to release.

Let’s make a deal Redleg.

As soon as Kerry releases his, we’ll get McCain to do likewise.

Work for you?

Bill Dupray isn’t real.

Man, you guys are on top of this one! I mean, I bet Obama’s REAL birth certificate is probably stuck in some office building in Damascus where even the highest security clearance won’t allow you to access it.

As for McCain;s Navy records, why bother? Let’s see, he crashed three planes during training missions then got his sorry ass shot down. He’s one ruined plane from being a reverse ace, maybe he can figure out a way to have his Sugar Momma’s plane shot down and we can pin a medal on him for being a complete and utter fool of a man.

I mean, what a mavericky-maverick kind of man he truly is. He’s reversed his position of every ethical stand he’s ever taken (well, he did fuck over wifey No. 1 to marry sugar momma, so maybe his ethical lapses were just getting started), he’s old, addled, doesn’t appear to know what day it is, has the oratory skills of Bush on vicodin and seems to believe that if he lies to the public at every turn he’s well-deserving of the Presidency.

Have I nailed it?

Oh, and for you historians here, it’s really not that hard to find out if Bush went AWOL from his Guard duty, really, it’s not, because he was working Daddy’s campaign at the time, and never returned for duty. Rather’s sources were spot-on, but you keep clinging to that fantasy, you’re gonna need as much fantasy as you can the closer we get to putting a patriot back in the White House.

Have I nailed it?

Ummm… No.

Missed completely as a matter of fact.

Beautiful swing though.

Your assumption that Obama has had a security clearance investigation just because he is a Senator, is not necessarily warranted. There is no security requirement for running and being elected; and if he’s a risk (like Leahy, Vt), we may just be SOL. I’m not sure, but I wouldn’t make the assumption.

I thought all memebers of the Senate were given top level daily security briefs! Or is this just members of certain commitees?? How can you attend these briefings without a clearance? If being elected gets you a clearance witout an investigation… wow… that’s all I have to say… wow.

Chris,

From my brief checking around on the Internet I found that the answer is “sometimes”.

To run, and be elected, no.

To serve on select committees, yes.

I will post some links when I finish up the search.

It’s not an authentic birth certificate. My mom was born in Hawaii. She looked at it, and said it’s not authentic. To those who are saying it’s authentic, the form hasn’t changed that much since the territorial days. Also, it does not have the information that my mom’s birth certificate has listed. Among the items missing: birth weight, mom’s permanent address, dad’s permanent address, place of birth (which hospital or home), etc.

For all the trouble of producing this “certificate,” it would have been easier to ask for a notarized photocopy of his birth certificate from Honolulu, or make a photocopy of his original and have the photocopy notarized.

this is not unusual for a Chicago machine guy. The prior Police Interim-Superindendent, Dana Starks, could not get FBI clearence! The head of the 2nd largest police force in America could not sit in on FBI meetings. What did he do in the past? How did he become a police supervisor?

“Only in Chicago!” ™

Yeah! Well my mom says it is too authentic! So there!

Seriously people, When you are in a hole, stop digging.

AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

So.Very.Stupid.

So.Very.Stupid.

You know, Salvage, for once you’re absolutely right.

Any person who is willing to look at a document that was posted on a Lefty blogger’s website and consider it totally accurate, unquestionably valid, and beyond any scrutiny would be stupid.

It’s not like anyone has ever been fooled by fake documents before.

Of course, if you read it on the Internet it just has to be true. Sort of like “Bush lied” or “there is no God” or that “life doesn’t begin until birth”.

Sorry…gotta run.

Dan Rather is on the line 1.

Bush did and does lie, there are no such things as gods (making ’em singular and capitalizing the “g” doesn’t change that fact) and life begins when it begins which is obviously before birth and certainly after conception and isn’t a factor when it comes to the legalization of abortion.

And Obama is American (the poor bastard) and that birth certificate was not photoshopped, the artifacts described were produced by the scanning and compression of the original to make it a web-friendly file format.

Salvage: Your “Bush lied” crap is getting old and stale. If you don’t have an original, interesting thought in your head it would be better to remain silent.

Anyone got a picture of a parrot?

Dupray,

What I found most amusing about that little tidbit is that “jamil hussein” is the one who contributed it.

Most of us remember that name.

HumboldtBlue-where are you going to get this “Patriot”? B.Hussein Obama? Or his mean faced soviet wife?

I can’t even believe anyone is wasting their time with an issue this STUPID. Do you really think that the government organization that vets whether a person can run for POTUS didn’t check to see if he had a valid birth certificate. C’mon are you all friggin’ idiots or just playing stupid for fun. I assume it is the second reason, ’cause anyone stupid enough to believe it wouldn’t remember they had to breath without being reminded.

>>Do you really think that the government organization that vets whether a person can run for POTUS didn’t check to see if he had a valid birth certificate.>>

Just exactly what government organization would that be? I’ve been trying to figure that out myself…

And by the way…the issue isn’t whether he has a valid birth certificate. We know he was born…somewhere. The question is _where_ was he born, and is he a _natural born_ citizen as is required by the Constitution in order to become president. _Natural born_ depends on the citizenship of his parents – one of whom we _know_ was not a citizen. The laws determining who is _natural born_ has been changed several times by Congress. The laws that determine Obama’s status existed beteen 1952 and 1986. At this time, the law is different, but the law _now_ doesn’t change the law that existed when Obama was born.

Pretty simple to clear up, all B. Hussein has to do is release a copy. It does not really matter if people consider it a big deal or not – as far as I’m concerned when one decides to run for POTUS their life becomes an open book. Anything no matter how trivial it may seem could be an issue when seeking such office.
I’m no expert on forgeries, however, given a few hours with Photoshop I can produce some very official looking documents myself.

>>Just exactly what government organization would that be? I’ve been trying to figure that out myself…<<

I stand corrected. But I still think that this is one of the stupidest issues ever. Ok so it is not the govt. who vets the candidates, but I just can’t believe that the relevant party staff wouldn’t confirm that the person running as a candidate for president is a Natural Born American citizen. It just seems to simple to prove.

If thats the best you’ve got, congratulations to President Obama.

Here is another one for you, has he proven he is really a MAN, has he, there haven’t been any pictures of his junk. He might just be a LESBIAN Muslim terrorist sympathizing latte drinking pseudo african american! Maybe one of you can do a detailed study of his crotch to ascertain if he really has ‘nads’ under his pants. THen you could also evaluate all the photos of him, just to make certain any crotch bulge wasn’t photoshopped.

Why stop being stupid now, you all seem to have worked so hard to become experts at it.

you’re gonna need as much fantasy as you can the closer we get to putting a patriot back in the White House.

Yo, Humboldt… are you indulging in too much of your ‘hood’s famous greenery???

But I still think that this is one of the stupidest issues ever.

The US Constitution says otherwise. His citizenship matters because the Constitution requires it.

The Framers were very specific:

Article II. Section 1.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Which of the other requirements, rights, and privileges laid out in the Constitution belong in the “stupidest issues” category?

I seem to recall nearly eight years of unfounded howling and screeching from the Left regarding the shredding of the Constitution but now none of that matters because Obamessiah is running for Prez and all is right with the world.

who vets the candidates, but I just can’t believe that the relevant party staff wouldn’t confirm that the person running as a candidate for president is a Natural Born American citizen. It just seems to simple to prove.

You may be entirely correct. There may not be anything there. Then again, there may be.

If indeed you are an American citizen and if you can put your lemming-like Party loyalty aside, don’t you want to know for yourself? Don’t you think you have the right to know for sure?

I know that the answer to this question goes to the very core of whether Obie should even be considered or not.

Don’t you find it more than just a bit curious that this issue has raised its’ head, the candidate won’t address it head on, and has actually gone so far as to refuse access to the very document that would put it to rest?

He even started a website to “Fight the Smears” but this issue, the crux, the very keystone of his qualifications to be President, remains unaddressed.

Why is that?

If there’s nothing there to hide, then why not bring everything out into the sunlight and let us all see for ourselves?

The secrecy and dodging of the question leads to more suspicion and I’m certainly not going to trust Kos or any other Media or Internet persona to tell me what the truth is.

has he proven he is really a MAN, has he, there haven’t been any pictures of his junk. He might just be a LESBIAN Muslim terrorist sympathizing latte drinking pseudo african american! Maybe one of you can do a detailed study of his crotch to ascertain if he really has ‘nads’ under his pants. THen you could also evaluate all the photos of him, just to make certain any crotch bulge wasn’t photoshopped.

Here you descend into a remarkably strange level of silliness.

Let’s go back to see what the Constitution says:

Article II. Section 1.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article VI.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Religious tests are specifically prohibited.

On the question of his religion there are lingering, legitmate questions brought on by suspicious and questionable behavior. The underlying religion itself does not matter. What matters is that Obie’s stories on his religion have morphed and evolved and changed over the course of time.

If he was telling the truth there would be no morphing. There would be no massaging or tweaking.

These evolutions of his story bring into question his candor, and by direction connection, his character.

If anyone else did what Obie has done on this matter alone, they would be rightfully called out by the Media and the public as dishonest.

How many years have we heard “Bush lied” with absolutely not one shred, not one iota, of evidence?

Yet the very people accusing President Bush willingly, and without question or query, accept whatever they are told by the Obamanation. His dishonesty is easily documented, yet totally ignored by those engaged in willful ignorance.

The rest of your paragraph is just a hodgepodge of extraneous issues that your candidate himself would refer to as “distractions”.

There is no requirement in the US Constitution for Obie or any other candidate to be a “man” or prohibition on being a “LESBIAN” or that a person to be of any particular religious persuasion.

Frankly his gender makes no difference to me. Neither does his orientation.

Why stop being stupid now, you all seem to have worked so hard to become experts at it.

It seems to me that the stupid ones are the ones who are willingly lead along by the nose. The ones who eagerly, and without question or query, gobble up whatever is shoveled in their direction.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together would be wise to fully examine everything. To do otherwise, and eagerly accept what is sent your way, would indeed be stupid.

Why would you be willing to just take someone at their word when they have proven over and over and over again that they will take repeated liberties with the truth?

Is it wise to question, or is it stupid not to?

Although in theory a Senator or Congressman should be subject to the same restrictions as anyone else for security clearances, in practice this is not what happens.

I am posting, this time, without my name on this post because otherwise the following paragraph might identify me just a wee bit more than I’m comfortable with.

I spent my Army career primarily working in intelligence and operations, including more years in the Pentagon than any enlisted soldier I ever heard of, including tours with the Defense Intelligence Agency and another in the office of the Chief of Staff of the Army (the guy who runs the whole store). Everybody there, obviously, was TS-cleared and had a raft of “access” indicators that would choke a horse. All the ones above SI/TK/crypto were, and as far as I know still are, not even mentionable outside of the arcane fields they are associated with. Ironically, one that I was given was one that an earlier boss of mine, who controlled all military HUMINT, could never get. The military, at that time, took security clearances very seriously, and I personally knew of at least three general officers (3 & 4-star) who could get Top Secret clearances but, because they were married to wives who still had relatives behind the Iron Curtain (which kind of dates me, I realize :-D), couldn’t get “accesses” above a certain level. In two cases, at least, their job ordinarily required that access, but while they held the job, their Deputy had to handle all issues related to that particular program. Peculiar, but within the military, clearance & access were scrupulously adhered to.

In the 80s, the biggest problem we had was that the DIS (Defense Investigative Service) was so backlogged and shorthanded that “full” background investigations took forever, and temporary, or “interim” clearances were almost the rule. Reasonably safe, but still a bad idea when so much is at stake.

While we were discussing this problem I once brought up, for about the tenth time, the issue of Congressman Ron Dellums, unaffectionately known in our circles as “Red Ron,” since he was an unabashed leftist who never met a communist dictator whose ass he wouldn’t gleefully kiss. At the time we had just discovered that he, through a staffer, had actually warned the communist Grenadan government that the U.S. was preparing to invade, and this phone call (which had been intercepted) was likely the cause of at least one SEAL Team being killed, and probably a few other casualties of the invasion. I thought he should be prosecuted, but at a minimum I thought this should be sufficient to have his clearance revoked since he had clearly disclosed highly-classified information to a Soviet puppet government.

What I was told, by the Powers That Be, was that within Congress it was almost impossible to get any clearances revoked and, generally, nearly impossible for DIS to disapprove any Congressional clearance since Congress had, more than once, made it clear to DIS investigators that Congress held their staffing and budget in their grubby little hands, and they had no qualms about protecting their “privileges”

The reason given for this dangerous stranglehold is that there were too many Senators & Congressmen whose fondness for drink, drugs, womanizing and “unusual sexual appetites” were legendary, but they were too powerful to screw with, so their rule was that THEY decided whether or not clearances were appropriate, period, and no pack of investigative weenies were going to screw around on their “turf.” End of discussion. Although it was an open secret how many high-ranking Congressional celebrities were queer as a three-dollar bill, or who banged hookers by the six-pack, or enjoyed being whipped, pissed on, or having sexual adventures with farm animals, this was essentially an unapproachable issue, even though 99% of these were “closet jobs” and therefore highly susceptible to blackmail.

Twenty-odd years ago, at least, this was not an issue that the Defense Dept, or State Dept, or the DOE/Nuke guys were willing to start a major war with Congressional leaders over. Personally, I thought it was worth trying, and that the threats of exposing a few lawmakers might be enough to win the battle, but my opinion didn’t carry much weight, obviously.

I have no way of knowing, but my deep suspicion is that absolutely nothing has changed, and I’ll bet that not one Congressional clearance has ever been disapproved or revoked. And it doesn’t take much imagination to conjure up a lot of names on the Hill that, if their drunkenness, or womanizing, or hidden sexual tendencies had applied to any normal government employee, would have sunk their clearance instantly, and probably cost them their job.

Some of us, apparently, are just a bit MORE equal than others.

One has to wonder … over the years, just how much has this cost the taxpayers through blackmail — forced votes for or against something, support for certain foreign countries, assisting businesses, etc. Just because they can’t get their clearance pulled doesn’t mean they can’t be blackmailed by Cuba, the USSR, Boeing, Exxon or Toshiba.

Rant off.

Fascinating tidbits, Army Retired. Boy would I like to corner you in a bar over a few drinks to be regaled with tales of trials of tribulation.

I have a reason for always referring to Congress members as “elitists”. And you have just confirmed it unequivocally. Even today, they extend to themselves sundry privileges at the taxpayers expense. They maintain that control by ensuring term limits will never be in place (like they’d vote term limits for themselves and give up the cushy bennies??). Nine times over the past decade, they become bipartisan long enough to vote in payraises for themselves. They appear to enjoy immunity the rest of us do not have for ordinary infractions. The power they wield over the press, and thereby the mood of the nation, is abominable. Media hangs on their every word and criticism as “news” and, by suggestion, “truth” instead of opinion.

Congress is, and has been for decades IMHO, far more dangerous than any WH admin. However this Congress – one particularly oblivious to pride of nation and the fruits of rewarding entrepreneurship – paired with the right WH admin, can cause so much “change” that undoing what they do may prove, if not impossible, extremely difficult. I can easily see that all America once was can be significantly altered in the span of 2-4 years.

It’s an important election to get the balance of Congress to include more traditionally conservative viewpoints. But frankly, I’m not sure there’s many “conservatives” running. The shift of the DNC to the progressive/socialist left is mirrored closely by the GOP’s run to left of center. And this combination does not bode well for America, a nationa filled with opportunity for the entrepreneur, to endure. “Too” much success, “too” much money is villified, and the younger generation has been taught to place PC caps on their ambition.

But you, Army Retired, are of a generation with which I identify closely. And I suspect we are part of a dying breed. But I’d like to say now, it’s been a privilege to share the planet with you.

Don’t know if all this has been covered:

The doc above is a Certification of Live Birth, which is just an abstract, and quite different from a real Birth Certificate. States issue these for purposes of identification, nothing more.
The above doc. shows minimal info, just who, where and when.

A real Birth Certificates is a legal document which shows much more, such as [in different States]:

Mother’s and Father’s ages and places of birth.
Order of birth, i.e., how many other children has this mother already had.
Mother’s age at her first live birth.
Whether the parents are married, and for how long.
Residence address of mother and father.
Occupation of mother and father.
Name and signature of the attending doctor.
Physical address of the birth.

Look at your own birth cert, and you’ll see most of these items.
The document in question is NOT a Birth Certificate. And BTW birth certs can be changed in cases of error or adoption.

Anyone’s birth cert can be had if you’re willing to lie, cheat or bribe.

It has what I believe to be a seal.

Why it was made not visible is a good question to ask the Obama campaign people
I flipped it over, cut it and put it next to the seal from Patrica Decosta birth certificate.
I think it is a seal, if not, for sure it is an image of something.
I used an older version on adobe and came up with the image.
If it is a real seal where is the signature stamp?
I couldn’t find any signature stamped on it like the decosta certificate has.

Take a look .
I posted it on my fotothing

http://www.fotothing.com/joinhunt4yasser/

Nobody raised the issue that this is not even a Birth Certificate at all. It is in fact a Certification of Live Birth. Which is only issued in cases where there is no actual Birth Certificate.

[[ It is in fact a Certification of Live Birth. Which is only issued in cases where there is no actual Birth Certificate. ]]

I’m not sure that’s actually the case. I used to see a lot of different birth certificates and other ID in a previous job — granted, that was many years ago — and I seem to recall that some States titled their birth certificates “Certificate of Live Birth” to differentiate them from stillborns, etc. Some of those forms were called (at the top of the form) Certificate of Birth, Birth Certificate, Certificate of Live Birth … possibly others.

There were some “birth certificates” (and I use the term sort of generically) where both stillborns and live births were listed on the same form, but there was a block where they checked off whether it was live or stillborn.

Some time back, and certainly when Obama was born, the “original” birth certificates were filled out by hand in the hospital, and kept in the State Bureau of Vital Statistics, or whatever they call it. The copy usually given out, or carried by the “owner,” was basically a photostat of that certificate — at least for births in the 40s thru 60s — but sometimes (in the case of Washington State in the 50s & 60s) they also issued a separate certificate (sometimes called Certificate of Live Birth) that was ID-card-sized, laminated, and could be carried in the wallet. It didn’t have ALL the information about parentage, etc., but it had the basic info and was considered a birth certificate for virtually all legal purposes. I still have mine, and it was enough of a “birth certificate” to get into the Army and get a lot of security clearances & passports over the years. I probably have some 8×10 “birth certificate” form on file somewhere in Washington State, but I have no recollection of ever seeing it.

Confusing the matter even further, some places have begun issuing certificates printed by a computer because the old photostat copies wear out, and they probably don’t even have the equipment to spin out more photostat copies if you lose yours. My wife let her drivers license lapse for a number of years and had to go in and prove to Virginia that she was actually a citizen. They wouldn’t take her worn-out old photostat birth certificate because they said they couldn’t read it clearly, so she applied for another from West Virginia. What she actually got was some new computer-generated thing that made everyone happy, but was certainly different from her “original” certificate.

My point, hidden beneath all that rambling recollection, is that each State used to have widely-varying rules and terms. Like with drivers licenses — some states called it a Driver License, some called it a Driver’s License, and some called it Motor Vehicle Operator’s Permit, or some other variation on the same theme. Now, I suspect, everything is probably computerized and standardized for Birth Certificates between the States, just to make it tougher to create fake IDs. Alas, it used to be easy to wander thru a cemetery, take some notes on stillborn or very young deaths, and get a usable birth certificate to start building your ID package.

I’m not expert enough to tell whether this form Obama’s butt-monkeys cranked out is legitimate or not, but it seems really suspicious that they refuse to back anything up with hospital records, etc. One would assume Obama was born in a hospital, attended by doctors and nurses, and someone paid for it. And also that he got the usual vaccinations as an infant, also. All of this should be absurdly simple to produce and stop all this speculation — if they can.

One might further guess, if all that paperwork exists, that perhaps his mother either didn’t pay her bill, or stuck the local welfare department with it. And this might be why no one will produce this embarrassing bit of welfare dependency.

One thing is certain — there is a really strong reason his little robots are protecting this little piece of history so desperately.

If it looks like a turd, if it smells like a turd and if it tastes like a turd it’s Obama playing hanky panky with the US Government and people of the United States.

O B A M A it’s time for show and tell. every American has the right to know the legitimacy of the purported certificate of live birth vs Birth Certificate. You are now a growing cancer within the populous of the United States, you are spreading out with your ganglion of deceit and the people of the USA have been duped far too often to accept any DNC crap trying to build a better certificate as time goes by. If given long enough (which is obviously what you want) someone somewhere will contrive what may be deemed acceptable by members of an administration; I however think the people need to see and judge and have explained to them the facts by NON-PARTISON Forensic experts and this should be administered to and made public very very soon.
Mr. OBAMA if being truthful and honest and proclaiming religious beliefs and baring your soul and your past to the United States which you desire to control is in fact the Truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, HONESTY AND SINCERITY ARE GREAT QUALATIES FOR YOU:

HOWEVER; YOU CAN’T BE ALL THAT AND PRESIDENT TOO. ONLY A GOOD LIAR CAN BE PRESIDENT.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do the right thing Mr. There is however only one way to do the wrong thing and you are doing wrong. Do you have some wish you would like too share with America? A hidden Agenda? Do you hate whites and believe they should be eradicated?
Do you secretly hate Blacks? You Sir should be whipped soundly today for all the lies you meted out to the American People. You are a LIAR and possibly an A MORAL Liar and that is just too frightening.

Reply to shortrichard22@yahoo.com

Is this man being Honest?? OBAMA or whatever name he goes by>?

My birth certificate from Washington state says “certificate of live birth”.

I see all these posts about security clearances and no one on here really knows which senator or member of congress has one. They are assuming only.

Members of congress and senators are asked to only take a oath of secrecy and not to disclose info that may damage national security, thats it.

I have argued this for years also, but I have also been told by many people that certain congress people and senators do need active authentic clearances………you know the type thats filled out on a SF or ESQ 86 form and not just an oath of secrecy.

When I hear that information though, I ask well if you know they have to fill out the paperwork then why don’t you know who they are? No one can answer that question.

I myself have actually emailed several senators offices, sent FOIA request forms in and even called and I always get the same answer citing privacy issues.

There is some type of reform being debated right now concerning issues on members having to have an actual clearance and not just a oath, but from what I have seen so far it will be shot down.

The issue is that it may compromise the integrity of the members and several other things also. Actually if you want true translation in my book, I think what their trying to say without saying it is that a lot would fail an investigation into their backgrounds.

How many would pass a polygraph, a politician? COME ON! Lets get real here folks. How about all the other questions on a SF86 form also, do you really think all members would pass? How about drug screening also, you think they all would pass? Nope.

This is why they take only oaths folks, don’t be fooled be all the shades.

I thought the USA security system is very tight but if a alien can cheat the system and become PRESIDENT it left me wondering. The birthers are wasting time Obama is not an alien otherwise the CIA could have found that long before the 2008 elections. I have a feeling Obama wanted to avail the birth certificate at the right time ie ahead of 2012 elections. What will Trump and other birthers say? Trump appears as if he is running like a headless chicken. Now he wants Obama’s school records. USA is in real big shit economically and every effort must be directed towards economic recovery not birth certificates. Remember there are no birthers in China! Soon China will be a leading economy when Americans are in Hawai treasure hunting Obama’s birth certificate .

@Chris: It’s the “party” that backs the candidate, that “confirms” the eligibility.

If we take his past performance into consideration, the mans a pathological liar. He has no perception of the difference between truth and fantasy. It’s a common genetic defect, mostly seen in political type’s. Inbreeding is the suspect cause, but further testing is ongoing. There is a companion symptom, in which some individuals believe everything they’re told, to the point of being a danger to themselves and others. The clinical term is, “stuck on stupid”, and research is ongoing, but this defect seems to concentrate in the voting public. Evidence that it may be affecting congressional types is prevalent, but studies are difficult, because of a symptom of the disease called “flip flopping”. These conditions may be transferable, any contact with “governmental types” should be avoided.