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I face one of these ‘self loathing’ nitwits every weekend in West Chester – well, more than one.
However, one of them is John Grant – a Chavez ass kisser who has met Chavez (sat in on one of his weekly alo presidente radio broadcasts) and supports his regime.
Justina
15 years ago
As an American living in Venezuela, I can tell you that your post is based on false propaganda. Undoubtedly the documents put forward by Colombia’s President Uribe and the U.S. State Department were authored by the same crative fiction writers who brought us the fraudulent Niger uranium documents.
In the first place, Colombia committed an illegal violation of Ecuador’s sovereinty and territory by staging an air attack inside Ecuador, killing 24 people. In response to that attack, both Ecuador and Venezuela sent their troops to their borders with Colombia to forestall more illegal attacks.
It was President Chavez who was credited by the Organization of the Amerian States with negotiating an agreement between Colombia and Ecuador that stopped a full out war. Chavez is not a war monger. He has taken protective steps to insure that Colombian military and paramilitary soldiers don’t enter Venezuela.
It was President Chavez who, at the official request of Colombia’s President Uribe, conducted negotiations with FARC for the exchange of hostages held by Colombia and FARC. When it appeared that success was imminent, Uribe bombed the area in which hostages were being gathered to be released, forcing them to flee back into the forests.
Then Uribe fired Chavez as his negotiator. Chavez, at the request of the hostages’families, continued to work for their release. He was successful in obtaining the release of six Colombia and was on the verge of obtaining the release of the most famous hostage, the Colombia-French politician, Ingred Betancourt, when Colombia conducted its attack in Ecuador, killing Paul Reyes, the chief negotiator of Betancourt’s release. Uribe thus sabotaged the release of more hostages while committing an international crime in Ecuador.
Uribe used the raid in Ecuador to claim he had Reyes’ computer. Now, two months later, he is releasing putative “proof” of Chavez’s support for FARC. In fact, all of Chavez’s contacts with FARC were started at Uribe’s request and involved negotiations about the hostage exchanges.
The Bush-Cheney government has published lies about every enemy he wishes to attack. Iran is being falsely demonized and threatened by air craft carriers in the Persian Gulf. Venezuela is being demonized and threatened by the newly resurrected “Fourth Fleet”. Our Navy has recently illegally entered Venezuelan waters. Curious how Iraq, Iran and Venezuela all have substantial oil resources.
To my knowledge, neither Iran nor Venezuela has parked naval fleets outside of Long Island Sound or in Gulf of Mexico.
The democratically elected President Chavez is not a dictator, not a terrorist or a war monger. He has started no wars and has not kidnapped, tortured or extra-judicially imprisoned anyone. I wish we could say the same about the U.S. government, but we cannot.
President Chavez is using his oil revenues to improve the economic and social conditions of the Venezuelan people. Where are U.S. oil profits going? Not to help the poor and the sick, that is for sure.
The U.S. population desparately needs the same kind of programs that Chavez has developed in Venezuela. We need universal medical care, universal higher education, and subsidized food and housing for our poor.
Wake up, and stop publishing the State Department’s false propaganda!
MDenis39
15 years ago
Justina – You started to lose me with “The Bush-Cheney government…”; You lost all credibility with “The democratically elected President Chavez…” At least we can vote our administration out. The same cannot be said for Mr. Chavez who changes the laws when he wants more time. Good luck getting him out of office. Not a dictator?! LOL
Oh, and you lost all respect with your “Wake up” – it’s very demeaning and it assumes that the reader cannot make a decision for himself (herself) after reviewing both sides of the argument. To me it reads, “Wake up, stop believing their false propaganda and believe my false propaganda instead!”
Justina: I have a friend who lives in the jungles of Venezuela working with the poor and she says I nailed it when it comes to Chavez. Perhaps if you stop reading Mother Jones magazine long enough you’ll figure out the truth.
But for now, here’s a question:
Who did the following:
* Changed the Constitution to extend his term in office indefinitely
* Passed a law making it a crime to insult him
* Fired workers from state run enterprises that signed recall petitions against him
* wiretapped opponents phone calls and played them on state run television
* withheld state funds to local governments controlled by opponents
* ordered state police to shoot demonstrators
* added seats to the Supreme Court and packed them with his own appointees
Answer: A. President Bush or B. Hugo Chavez?
P.S. Nice to know you peaceniks don’t mind a bit of killing and violence as long as it’s for a good cause. Now we know you have no credibility to question the motives of anyone else.
P.P.S. Here’s a visual clue to help you better understand what the problem is here:
I face one of these ‘self loathing’ nitwits every weekend in West Chester – well, more than one.
However, one of them is John Grant – a Chavez ass kisser who has met Chavez (sat in on one of his weekly alo presidente radio broadcasts) and supports his regime.
As an American living in Venezuela, I can tell you that your post is based on false propaganda. Undoubtedly the documents put forward by Colombia’s President Uribe and the U.S. State Department were authored by the same crative fiction writers who brought us the fraudulent Niger uranium documents.
In the first place, Colombia committed an illegal violation of Ecuador’s sovereinty and territory by staging an air attack inside Ecuador, killing 24 people. In response to that attack, both Ecuador and Venezuela sent their troops to their borders with Colombia to forestall more illegal attacks.
It was President Chavez who was credited by the Organization of the Amerian States with negotiating an agreement between Colombia and Ecuador that stopped a full out war. Chavez is not a war monger. He has taken protective steps to insure that Colombian military and paramilitary soldiers don’t enter Venezuela.
It was President Chavez who, at the official request of Colombia’s President Uribe, conducted negotiations with FARC for the exchange of hostages held by Colombia and FARC. When it appeared that success was imminent, Uribe bombed the area in which hostages were being gathered to be released, forcing them to flee back into the forests.
Then Uribe fired Chavez as his negotiator. Chavez, at the request of the hostages’families, continued to work for their release. He was successful in obtaining the release of six Colombia and was on the verge of obtaining the release of the most famous hostage, the Colombia-French politician, Ingred Betancourt, when Colombia conducted its attack in Ecuador, killing Paul Reyes, the chief negotiator of Betancourt’s release. Uribe thus sabotaged the release of more hostages while committing an international crime in Ecuador.
Uribe used the raid in Ecuador to claim he had Reyes’ computer. Now, two months later, he is releasing putative “proof” of Chavez’s support for FARC. In fact, all of Chavez’s contacts with FARC were started at Uribe’s request and involved negotiations about the hostage exchanges.
The Bush-Cheney government has published lies about every enemy he wishes to attack. Iran is being falsely demonized and threatened by air craft carriers in the Persian Gulf. Venezuela is being demonized and threatened by the newly resurrected “Fourth Fleet”. Our Navy has recently illegally entered Venezuelan waters. Curious how Iraq, Iran and Venezuela all have substantial oil resources.
To my knowledge, neither Iran nor Venezuela has parked naval fleets outside of Long Island Sound or in Gulf of Mexico.
The democratically elected President Chavez is not a dictator, not a terrorist or a war monger. He has started no wars and has not kidnapped, tortured or extra-judicially imprisoned anyone. I wish we could say the same about the U.S. government, but we cannot.
President Chavez is using his oil revenues to improve the economic and social conditions of the Venezuelan people. Where are U.S. oil profits going? Not to help the poor and the sick, that is for sure.
The U.S. population desparately needs the same kind of programs that Chavez has developed in Venezuela. We need universal medical care, universal higher education, and subsidized food and housing for our poor.
Wake up, and stop publishing the State Department’s false propaganda!
Justina – You started to lose me with “The Bush-Cheney government…”; You lost all credibility with “The democratically elected President Chavez…” At least we can vote our administration out. The same cannot be said for Mr. Chavez who changes the laws when he wants more time. Good luck getting him out of office. Not a dictator?! LOL
Oh, and you lost all respect with your “Wake up” – it’s very demeaning and it assumes that the reader cannot make a decision for himself (herself) after reviewing both sides of the argument. To me it reads, “Wake up, stop believing their false propaganda and believe my false propaganda instead!”
Justina: I have a friend who lives in the jungles of Venezuela working with the poor and she says I nailed it when it comes to Chavez. Perhaps if you stop reading Mother Jones magazine long enough you’ll figure out the truth.
But for now, here’s a question:
Who did the following:
* Changed the Constitution to extend his term in office indefinitely
* Passed a law making it a crime to insult him
* Fired workers from state run enterprises that signed recall petitions against him
* wiretapped opponents phone calls and played them on state run television
* withheld state funds to local governments controlled by opponents
* ordered state police to shoot demonstrators
* added seats to the Supreme Court and packed them with his own appointees
Answer: A. President Bush or B. Hugo Chavez?
P.S. Nice to know you peaceniks don’t mind a bit of killing and violence as long as it’s for a good cause. Now we know you have no credibility to question the motives of anyone else.
P.P.S. Here’s a visual clue to help you better understand what the problem is here:
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