Peter Wehner explores some of the vitriol leveled at ABC and the two moderators of the last Democrat debate and doesn’t like the double standard at play:
And what did Stephanopoulos and Gibson do to earn this scorn? Why, they asked Barack Obama some probing questions, including one about his past relationships with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Jr. and a former leader of the Weather Underground, William Ayers.
Consider this thought experiment: Assume that a conservative candidate for the GOP nomination spent two decades at a church whose senior pastor was a white supremacist who uttered ugly racial (as well as anti-American) epithets from the pulpit. Assume, too, that this minister wasn’t just the candidate’s pastor but also a close friend, the man who married the candidate and his wife, baptized his two daughters, and inspired the title of his best-selling book.
In addition, assume that this GOP candidate, in preparing for his entry into politics, attended an early organizing meeting at the home of a man who, years before, was involved in blowing up multiple abortion clinics and today was unrepentant, stating his wish that he had bombed even more clinics. And let’s say that the GOP candidate’s press spokesman described the relationship between the two men as “friendly.”
Do you think that if those moderating a debate asked the GOP candidate about these relationships for the first time, after 22 previous debates had been held, that other journalists would become apoplectic at the moderators for merely asking about the relationships? Not only would there be a near-universal consensus that those questions should be asked; there would be a moral urgency in pressing for answers. We would, I predict, be seeing an unprecedented media “feeding frenzy.”
The truth is that a close relationship with a white supremacist pastor and a friendly relationship with an abortion clinic bomber would, by themselves, torpedo a conservative candidate running for president. There is an enormous double standard at play here, one rooted in the fawning regard many journalists have for Barack Obama. They have a deep, even emotional, investment in his candidacy. And, as we are seeing, they will turn on anyone, even their colleagues, who dare raise appropriate and searching questions–the kind journalists are supposed to ask. The reaction to Stephanopoulos and Gibson is a revealing and depressing glimpse into the state of modern journalism.
When the nominee is finally picked and the general debates start up….will any of the MSM talking heads dare to ask these kind of character questions of Obama?
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the talking heads won’t ask these questions, they aren’t allowed or aren’t smart enough. the country is being lied to by this piece of garbage. he plays the race card far more than any other real black person. he is only half black, but you would think that his ancestors were the ones who were slaves. he has made himself into a martyr, he is a first generation mulotto. he and the rest of the nation need to get over him, he is a moron.
Makes Dan Rather’s story look like patty cakes.
Nothing to see here, move along. Ignore the man behind the curtain….
David Axelrod has played a huge part in creating the character of the Obamessiah. This is the same man that was successful in getting Deval Patrick elected (Remember the “Words matter” dust up). Axelrod also ran Spitzers campaign as well as Edwards 2004 campaign and Mayor Daley was one of his first clients. His modus operandi is to “sell” personalities and not policies. Mommy was a writer for a leftist tabloid, PM, with communist influence during the late 1940’s.
George Stepanoplis in this debate proved he has become a mouthpiece for the corporate right winged media. To go so far as to take word for word suggested questions from Sean Hannity shows how shallow he has become. Where were the real issues in this debate??? The Health care Crisis, Outsourcing of jobs, Iraq?? Gas Prices??? Who really cares if Obama he has a lapel pin flag on?? I have to call this last debate nothing more than a right wing talking point debate.
Frankly really really baseless crap!!!
“Character” was always baseless crap to the Dems.
Sorry Kathie,
Character??? Give me a break!!!! How about the Character and LIES that brought us to this Iraq War??? That must be republican Character!!! If it is I hope Obama never wears a damn lapel pin.
How about the Character that endorses torture… Yeah the Republicans have Character (total Lack of)
Try this web site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0rrXzd7XbY
sky55110: You’re right… all those DEMOCRATS lying about Iraq’s WMD’s must really keep you up at night.
And if you want to see what REAL torture is like, just ask Daniel Pearl… Oh… that’s right.. you can’t because HE’S DEAD. And yet, not a single scar on any of the terrorist monsters who killed him and so many other Americans.
You should be ashamed of yourself you self loathing lefty kool aid drinker.
Let me get this straight, Sky55110. Two *very* liberal moderators (who have not changed party affiliation last I knew) ask questions you don’t like of the DNC candidates, and somehow this is the fault of “corporate right winged media”??
Desperate….
Look out. Your next door neighbor farted. Must be that evil Bush, cooking beans in the WH Rose Garden.
You’re truly an embarrassment to the party of “tolerance”, lumping everyone into GOP or DNC categories. Haven’t figured out yet that most of us are a mix of two, eh?
Shoe’s on the other foot, instead of stopping to think what those that support the president and the war have been put through poor Skye55110 launches into more blame and smear of the Republicans. It’s all their fault even though going to war was bipartisan as were the interrogation methods and now that the dems control Congress, we are still at war. Hmmm.
Barack was asked questions he did not want to answer, too bad, there will be more of it because the man’s got baggage, brace yourself.
BTW Stephanopolis didn’t have to have the rightwing Hannity pressure him into anything, he and the rest of the press have been fed Hillary’s opposition research, as well as Obama’s. Timing could not have been more perfect for Hillary, the Hannity/Steph conversation came at such a convenient time.
First let’s look at Iraq did Obama Support it from the get go?? NO.. good answer…
GREAT Judgement!!!! That is the Judgement I believe is important.. not who he spoke on a podium with…. not which church he attends.. which by the way that pastor is retired.. Did anyone see that one corporate news? How many of you hacks have actually been to the Obama web site??
I bet most of you have not.. you are just drinking the koolaid day after day…
935 lies from the Bush administration is what really got us into this war… did you forget that??
naw you just choose to ignore it.
Would you like to talk about torture? How about the vice president and administration officials planning torture in the white house? I bet you forgot that too…
To call these two moderators very liberal is a bit of a stretch.. It sounded like the right wing talking points debate instead of a real debate!!!!
Now go drink your right wing koolaid from hannity and rush.. and the other talk radio BS pushers
His positions on the war have not remained the same since the “get go” Assignning “great judgement” to Obama does not compute.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/RE-RETHINKING-IRAQ-br—Obama-s-War-11263
BTW, had you bothered to look around in here before slinging the “right wing koolaid” comments you may have stumbled upon one of the many well researched topics such as this:
No evidence of hannity or rush koolaid drinking.
Now compare what is offered in here to what is offered by your fellow democrats:
http://www.stopobama.org/
Perhaps, after scanning that blog, you might be feeling that you have work to do elsewhere.
“Now compare what is offered in here to what is offered by your fellow democrats:
http://www.stopobama.org/
Perhaps, after scanning that blog, you might be feeling that you have work to do elsewhere.”
Missy, I would have liked to see what they had to say, but “someone” hacked it such that it just redirects you to Google…
Sorry Machiavelli, I neglected to include part of the address when I typed it in, here’s the corrected address:
http://www.stop-obama.org/
You people are funny… Obama is READY to be President. Some say he does not have enough experience… How much foreign policy experience did Bush have before he became president??
that answer would be NONE!!! Zero!!! NADA!! NOTHING!!! He was the Texas governor big deal..
Obama already has had more foreign policy experience at this point than Bush had before he took office.
Was this a real debate?? NO it was an early swift boat shot at Obama Nothing more.
Thanks Missy, much appreciated.
I find it illustrative that there are even those on the other side of the aisle that believe Obama would be a dangerous choice for our country.
We’ll see if the citizens of Pennsylvania show some quality character insight, and deliver Obama a landslide defeat this coming Tuesday.
Your are very welcome Machiavelli, one of my favorite posters BTW.
And Skye55110, Obama happens to be my senator, I live right outside of Chicago and I can tell you to brace yourself, there’s more to come and it isn’t even going to come out of the Repub side. He’s got your party in a mess and you better start looking at it. He’s been propped up by those who think the current flash in the pan is going to get them to the White House. Once again, he’s got baggage and isn’t what you want to believe he is.
I am sure there will be those that will go after him. He does not have the demcatic party in a mess except that the Clintons never thought he could beat Hillary. He will do well in the general once Clinton is gone. If you think Obama has issues you better check on McCain. McCain says he supports the troops but does not vote for Veterans issues. He has a history of voting AGAINST veterans issues. check this out:
sky5510 said: ” Obama is READY to be President. “
President of the NAACP maybe.
President of the United States of America? SOOOO NOT!!!
Drink up sky5510!
Missy, great site you found: http://www.stop-obama.org/
Mike,
You are the Koolaid drinker here… just another right winger that can’t stand that Obama (a black man) who has shown he does have what it takes to be president. He has more intelligence than that Bush that’s for damn sure!! saying that i should apologize to Obama for comparing him to such a moron.
Mike do you listen Hannity and Rusn daily for your Koolaid??
Sky55110 said Obama“has shown he does have what it takes to be president”
The only thing Obama has demonstrated is the skill to fool the willfully ignorant.
That’s only considered a worthy leadership trait in the Democrat party.
Have another sip of your kool aid Sky55110! The only person you are fooling around here is YOURSELF!
sky55110 wrote:
Naw….we covered it extensively.
Thank you very much Missy, I do my best to contribute to the discussion.
Sky, you seem to be showing your true colors here: “just another right winger that can’t stand that Obama (a black man) who has shown he does have what it takes to be president.” You’re basically charging that the biggest problem that conservatives have with Obama is that he’s black, and by extension that we’re all a bunch of closet racists. That’s exactly the sort of (hateful) thinking that Jeremiah Wright’s been spewing, which is precisely why we’ve questioned Obama’s extensive association with him over twenty years; not to mention citing him as the inspiration for his writing. If Obama genuinely doesn’t share in his ideology, then why did he stay in that church for so long while Wright was there; Wright didn’t exactly hide his rhetoric. On the other hand, if he does agree with Wright’s ideology, then we’re looking at the biggest Identity Politics (affirmative action, etc.) focused administration in American history. I’m sorry, but I refuse to have my as of yet unborn children be punished for sins that my ancestors didn’t commit.
The other thing that alarms us, and in fact seems to alarm a good deal of the Democratic Party’s working class core, is the “Marxist – Stalinst” elitist thinking BHO seems to hold at his core. His comment about the “bitter” citizens of Middle America clinging to religion was a virtual “religion is the opiate of the masses.” This is where Obama is causing problems for the Democratic Party, because America is decidedly a nation of faith. Now, it’s one thing to criticize someone’s beliefs when they use them as a justification for violence, or a tool for manipulating others. But, it is entirely another to dismiss someone’s beliefs when it revolves around improving personal conduct and coming together as a community in their places of worship. Obama’s charismatic “uniter” personae of “hope” and “change” is actually quite divisive.
I wonder if sky55110 would support Secretary of State Rice for President? She happens to be both black and a woman! That should be an affirmative action wet dream for a lib. But it’s not.
When I first saw Michele and Barack on the national stage I was impressed. Then I listened to what they said.
For conservatives it’s never been about race. It is about competence, judgement, experience and character.
Condi Rice would qualify in all those areas. B. Hussien Obama clearly DOES NOT!
If I was concerned about the koolaid people were drinking I think the last thing I would do would be to offer a different flavor. I think we just went from grape to lemon.
You guys are again not letting me down with so much to crap spewed in your responses.
First of all the Jeremiah Wright controversy should be of no concern to you. Why did he stay at his church for twenty years?? First you have to remember Obama was led to Christ by Jeremiah Wright. That is something a Christian does not take lightly. Nor does Obama it’s simple as all that.
He stayed there for twenty years because of his conversion to Christianity… and YES he is a Christian for all of spewers out there that think otherwise.
Obama Clearly has the intelligence, competence, Judgement, Charater to be president.
And he has more foreign policy experience than BUSH when he took office.
Now turn on talk radio and get your right wing koolaid for the day!!
Belonging to a church for 20 years led by a racist pastor is worthy of concern. Apparently Obama agrees or he wouldn’t have bothered to address it. It was also apparent that he was terribly slow to catch on, and you trust his judgement.
For your reading pleasure:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00452.htm
http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_Obama/ObamaLies.htm
First off suggesting that he is racist is a stretch.. secondly assuming Obama agrees is even more of a stretch… His judgement. YES, I trust his judgement.. remember he said from the beginning the Iraq war would be a mistake.. and IT sure was.. and still is today!!!
and to call this worthy of concern?? come on Missy i am surprised at you…
Sky55110: Do you hate black women or did you just ignore my comment inquiring whether you would support Condi Rice for President?
You’re running out of Obama approved talking points… you might actually have to think for yourself!
Mike,
I ignored the comment… but here you goes: Condi Rice is an intelligent woman that would do well if she wanted be more involved. From what I understand she has no interest. To bad she chose to work for Bush…
as for approved talking points.. you are funny… find what i have been saying on the Obama website before you become so accusing…
and Missy find some creditable websites next time you point one out
Haha … priceless… “find what i have been saying on the Obama website before you become so accusing…”
Now there’s an unbiased source of information! I guess that unless it comes from the bible of Obamessiah it isn’t true.
Udderchaos:
Apparently you didn’t understand the statement… Mike accused me of using Obama talking points.. (which I was NOT) I am saying he should check the Obama website for such talking points before he accuses me of such.
Maybe YOU should read before you blog!!!
Ahh.. I must have been confused with all of your babble.. taken out of context and all that stuff. Funny you should say “READ before you blog….” It is obvious from much of the READING you have done that you haven’t manged to make it from the pages of the Daily KOS or DU. Might I recommend looking into who Obama Sr. really was (hint: he wasn’t a poor goat herder). What is Black Liberation Theology? Who founded it? What was that individuals belief? Didn’t Obama say he wasn’t running for President but a few years ago? How did Michelle really grow up? What about Tony Rezko? Who was Frank Davis? Talk to me about grandmama Obama, you know the typical white bank VP. How about mama Obama spreading her legs for Marxists at 18 while “living on food stamps” and going to Harvard. He was never a Muslim? Really? Maybe a little research into his school time in Jakarta might answer that question.
Udderchaos
I really do not care if Obama was ever a Muslim at any point in his life.. the FACT is he is now a Christian, He was President of the Harvard Law Review. This man grew up poor had welfare and food stamp help…(Yes, people actually do become successful after being on welfare and food stamps) that may be hard for conservatives to hear… but the truth usually is.
Frankly I don’t care about grandma Obama. I am not voting for her..
Also I am not getting my info from the daily KOS or DU…
your Marxist slam is really sick… go away!!
Whether he was a muslim or not really doesn’t matter to me either. The fact that he denies that he was, when there seems to be evidence that he was, does matter to me. It goes back to that credibility thing again. Add to that the Wright affair and all of the changing stories from him we have gotten (I wasn’t there, I knew of some things, you get rough on your sermons). He buys property but that was poor judgement. It’s funny that this man of “words” keeps having to explain what he really meant. As for my “sick” Marxist comment.. I call a spade a spade when I see it.
Skye55110, I’ll just have to disagree with your glowing approval rates of Obama’s “judgment” on Iraq and foreign policy.
Obama’s Iraq “judgment” was first made without access to any of the intel and briefings offered to US Congress. So as far as I’m concerned, he wasn’t working with all the facts. Yet that lack of a full picture didn’t stop him from making a determination…. which he now touts as correct. The latest Iraq Perspective Study, Pentagon IV, report from the ISG and Harmony documents disputes that illogic. But even now, he choses to ignore historic facts because it proves inconvenient to his campaign rhetoric.
And while you may believe Saddam’s relationships with terrorists (including a 10 year relationship with Zawahiri), his underground thwarting of sanctions using OFF and jihad/militants that operated black market channels in Iraq, plus his stashes of biochemicals and proscribed missiles mean nothing, I do.
We can’t reverse time to see, had we left Saddam in place, whether he would have provided jihad movements with his bioweaponry. But he was proven to have a history of cooperating, funding and supplying the jihad movement as part of his country’s arsenal. It was easy, as the finger didn’t overtly point to him. And for that alone, it was worth removing Saddam. Not to mention, regime change has been US policy since Clinton’s admin.
So I disagree completely with your Obama/Iraq “judgment”.
I also disagree with your Obama/foreign policy. Traveling around as a kid and a young teen is not the point. How many friends you have with different cultures is also not the point.
Obama’s foreign policy judgment is easily seen as naive (nay.. dangerous) when he proposed his cowboy policy of going after Bin Ladin on actionable intelligence in Pakistan… even if they refused to agree or provide aid. Can you say unilateral action on an ally? He will take Pakistan, and make it another enemy with that train of thought.
And to propose that during campaign babble, prior to the Pak election, was absurdly stupid. We are now rewarded with a PPP leadership who wants to “talk” with their militant tribal leaders, refuses more joint strikes (only Predator drones), and warns the US not to come near their borders. Musharraf, at least, was bold enuf to stand up to those in the country and provide a tacit approval. He has paid dearly for that witih the loss of election in Pakistan, and being demonized by the western press. Brilliant move… we lost the only renegade in that government, and the road is only uphill from here. Both McCain and Obama will have a problem with the new Pakistan government. It’s a collision course in the making.
Then, of course, both BHO and HRC are busy making less-than-friends with our other allies by attacking trade agreements. US industry’s inability to compete with foreign products is not so much about the trade policies as it is about the OSHA and enviromental criteria mandated by our govt. And add to that the union wages and benefits. All these make it very expensive for a US manufacturer to operate.
While there is no easy solution to that… and I do lament the US losing so much basic manufacturing over the past 4 decades (starting with steel)… I can certainly say that slamming the door shut on trade agreements is not only NOT the cure, but damages our relationships with other nations. Absurdly stupid to stir up animosity on one hand, and whine about the US standing in the int’l community on the other.
BHO’s too naive, too socialist for this country. He may indeed win since the US electorate has been dumbed down now for decades, and our youth are educated with the notion success is “given” by the government, and not “earned” by the individual.
And we will all pay dearly while that lesson is being learned under a sociality DNC government.
Udderchaos:
Have you checked YOUR facts??? Try this snopes
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
you will find you facts about his school time in Jakarta are a little out of wack!!!
there is NO evidence he was ever muslim.. thus your concerns about denies goes right out the window…
Skye, inre your comment
Stephonopolus and Gibson are very liberal. No stretch. One would think that perhaps the Steph/tone of the debate may have more to do with a quiet support of Clinton from their past… dunno.
But to suggest “right wing talking points” is clearly living in LALA land. They were asking questions covered 24/7 by MSNBC and CNN, WaPo, NYTs etal all 24/7. Hardly “right wing” media. So their questions merely reflected by liberal media talking heads devote their days to.
So you got a beef? Talk to the liberal dominated media. Your attempts to throw all this on the mean GOP machine (who really are nothing but a bunch of wusses anyway) is a pipedream of your own desire.
MataHarley:
You really do drink right wing koolaid don’t you??? OMG where do I begin with such non-sense?
Do you have to be told that questions straight from slant head Hannity word for word is a right wing talking point??? the first 40 or so minutes were nothing but baseless who gives a crap talking points from the right side.
Then your suggestion that Saddam had a relationship with AL Queda when he hated Al Queda is quite frankly crap! Check the with the recent stories from our the FBI.. They had an FBI man with him for months before he was put to death. I suppose you believe the garbage still being spewed by Hannity that he moved his WMD to another country…
Unfortunately my son is fighting in this useless Illegal war as type this. What a senseless abuse of our military. (national guard) I am proud that they are willing to serve but very unhappy with the baseless 935 lies from the BUSH administration that got us there.
Did I say he was a “radical muslim” who “refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance”? I did not, so your snopes article goes right out the window.
As for “there is NO evidence he was ever muslim.. ”
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286
http://laotze.blogspot.com/
Once again, my issue is not if he was raised as a muslim, it is in the fact that he denies it or covers it up. I think it best for people to learn about all religions. But, I guess we are playing those “word” games again. Radical muslim is different from muslim. I was not there when Rev. Wright made THOSE statements. He does an awful lot of “playing” with words.
Skye, you’ve said many on this site are “not letting me down with so much to crap spewed in your responses.” I suggest you stop throwing rocks from your glass house.
The subject questions from the debate are issues that MSNBC and CNN raises daily. Where I agree with you that Wright, Obama’s religious beliefs, and other BS that the media has seized upon are trival and matter not to me, they are products of not only a liberal media, but of the DNC itself as they duke it out. You are truly pathetic, and a perfect example of the “victim” mentality of the party you so obviously choose to support.
You also obviously have not read the translation and analysis of the ISG and Harmony Saddam regime docs retrieved from Iraq in 2003 or you wouldn’t be making statements as you did with Saddam and AQ.
Briefly a few facts, but I suggest you read more for *your* next glass of koolaid.
1: Saddam has documented dealings with Zawahiri since his assumption of leaders of Egyptian Islamic Jihad in 1993. He merged that group with AQ in 1998. I did not say there were documents with Zawahiri dealings as AQ’s #2. I said dealings with Zawahiri. Now if you believe, because Zawahiri changed the name of his organization from EIJ to AQ, that Saddam all of the sudden decided Zawahiri experienced a dramatic ideological change, than you are even more misinformed than you appear.
2: If you think that the only named enemy the US faces carries an AQ membership card, then you understand nothing of just what and who is AQ. It is an association – an umbrella group of constantly morphing members that share the same goal. Implementing Islamic law in all Arab lands (by violence and force, not legislation), and eliminating all traces of western culture in the same. They work in tandam with other groups with the same goal, or those who have a common enemy to achieve a step towards that goal. They work with tribal leaders, militant movements and jihad movements in all countries. i.e. the Somalian tribal leaders who attached out forces in the early 90s, the Pakistanis, the Taliban and neo Taliban, et al. So do not confuse the enemy just because they don’t wear an AQ badge.
And BTW, I can’t stand Hannity. However I do believe the UNMOVIC May 2004 quarterly report that documents massive amounts of convoys moving things furriously out of Iraq before, during and after OIF. The same UNMOVIC report documents Iraq proscribed missiles – acquired AFTER 1998 – being dumped in a Netherlands junk yard.
I also believe Georges Sada when he says there was indeed weaponry that was moved to other countries. If you choose to not believe it, that’s your perogative. But I’ll believe my sources are more viable than your emotional opinon. Then again, there is that pesky detail just what constitutes a WMD. Is a thimblefull of chemicals on an illegally possessed missile enuf for you? Or must it only be nuclear? In which case, just how many must die before you categorize it as a WMD?
Lastly, I pray for your son’s safe return. I’m a former military wife, and so value our warriors. I thank him from the bottom of my heart. And hopefully you will too, as he and others before him fought just so you can speak your mind here.
MataHarley,
Thank you for your prayers for my son… I also pray for him. very often. I just got off of Skype talking to him.
I still find your remarks about UNMOVIC questionable.. at best. I just saw a report by an FBI agent explaining exactly what Saddam had. His report said very directly Saddam hated Al Queda. and that he did NOT have WMD after the Kuwait war. Also that he did NOT hide or dump WMD.
I believe this war is a total misuse and abuse of our military and should never have started…
Saying that I also believe we did not finish the job in Afganistan. not even close. The Iraq war has made the USA and all it’s allies less safe. Because of the spread of AlQueda. We took our eyes off the target by going into Iraq. I want Oshama Bin Lauden tried and hung.
George Sada is a former General… very political.. more than likely that motivates what he says.
sky55110 wrote
George Piro, covered here.
sky, you talk a lot about kool-aid drinking. Can you not see that you yourself have fallen off the partisan deep end?
When you write
You are only half-correct, but miss much. It tells me you’ve only cherry-picked what you want to hear in your kool-aid-drinking stupor, leaving behind the rest of the tree, untouched.
MataHarley is very generous in trying to point you the way, and you don’t even thank her for the time and efforts. She’s also shown you great courtesy. Instead of engaging her on the facts, you find it easier to just brush it all under the rug as something cooked up by Hannity and FOX News.
Clear signs of a kool-aid drinker.
sky,
I apologize for the tone in my last comment. I published it before I saw your last comment.
I wish I had more time, but I don’t. Gotta run out the door now.
Hope we can have a respectful debate, and drop the talks of kool-aid.
Loved it when I was a kid, though!
Skye, I forgot to add the hotlink to the above post… which hasn’t appeared as of this posted comment. I’m still waiting to be released from the Flopping Spam filter, as my last three have ended up. And when they do appear, I can’t edit them.
So here’s the link to which I refer in that post.
May 2004 UNMOVIC report.
Cheers! And I’m quite sure that all the Flopping Ace’rs -active or past serving military – also send their best to your son.
The 935 lies, alledgedly told by the Bush Administration, was done by two liberal anti-Bush organizations. It was debunked by bipartisan Congressional committees before the Soros funded organization even started the study. One wonders why dems that were saying the same things weren’t included in the study. Hmmm.
More of Obama’s judgement thing, where does he find these friends?:
http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/obama_and_googles_mutual_adviser_jesus_is_gay_wears_a_diaper_and_gets_run_over
Skye55110.. .it appears my previous post to you has been eaten by the FA SPAM gods… LOL
I take no offense at your “questionable – at best” response. Tho I truly wish you’d apply that same healthy skepticism equally to your own party and candidates.
I have provided the link to the UNMOVIC report for you to read yourself. (see 4/21/08 at 1:13pm post above)
Also, Sada did not want to write Saddam’s Secrets, but was convinced that the US needed to know the truth in light of all the poo poo’ing for political posturing going on.
He’s a fascinating character and makes for a good read. I highly recommend it. The man’s brother is the Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad. He’s been pressuring him to cop to the truth of receiving a portion of Saddam’s hidden treasures. However Bashar knows that would not only put him in disfavor with the Syrian higher echelons, but put his life in danger. So I’m not holding my breath.
My, we certainly seem to have gotten a bar room brawl going on in this thread.
Looks like I have some catching up to do since my last post, so I’d better get to it.
First, Missy; Sky’s dismissing them out-of-hand as not “credible” aside, thanks for adding more food for thought on BHO to the discussion.
Second Sky, let me quote from what I assume was your response to my post: “You guys are again not letting me down with so much to crap spewed in your responses. First of all the Jeremiah Wright controversy should be of no concern to you. Why did he stay at his church for twenty years?? First you have to remember Obama was led to Christ by Jeremiah Wright. That is something a Christian does not take lightly. Nor does Obama it’s simple as all that.”
Now, just calling what your opponents say “crap” at the outset is no way to advance a debate; and doesn’t make those in this thread very inclined to give you much respect.
Second, saying that the Jeremiah Wright controversy should be of no concern to us; doesn’t make it so. Calling Black Liberation Theology Christianity is also a “stretch” as you like to say. Now, my first pastor was definitely someone who I respected, and I still remember the time I spent in his church. However, if he had begun spouting racist or anti-American tirades, I can tell you my family would have been quick to voice our displeasure with his words, and be quickly out the door if that continued to characterize his ministry’s message.
Jeremiah Wright is just the tip of the iceberg of Obama’s inability to judge the character of his associates. There’s a reason why Americans have chosen their leaders based on character in the past, as opposed to simply by slick slogans and rhetoric.
That being said, as a parent of one of our brave soldiers, you have my thanks and fervent hope that your child returns home safely.
Machiavelli… welcome to the fray. Order me a B-52 shot please…
Skye… forgot to mention INRE your “forgot to finish the job” in Afghanistan comment.
UN/NATO has been in full charge of Afghanistan’s national security since July 2006. If you remember current events, the escalation of violence also began in that same time period.
Prior to that, the UN and NATO forces still held command over most of the country, save a few areas patrolled by the US. The most violent, of course, because of the joke that passes for NATO rules of engagement.
My point? You cannot blame failures in Afghanistan on the US or our military. We did exactly what the DNC and most the of the country wanted. We put it into the int’l hands of the UN and NATO. If you wish to assign blame, first look at the UN, then look at the US electorate who insists time after time that we get “int’l support”. It is yet one more lesson for the history books that if you want a job done right, don’t give it to the UN or NATO.