— Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara
This is going to go viral quite quickly so might as well jump on the train. Check out this news report from a Fox channel in Houston. They film a bit in a brand spanking new Obama campaign office in Houston and what do you see on the wall? A flag with a picture of the murderer Che Guevara:
But hey, the man was only responsible [singlepic=170,320,240,,right] for the execution of thousands of political prisoners, imprisoned because they opposed Fidel. He was key in setting up the Castro forced labor camps and secret police and in his spare time took in the sport of torture those same political prisoners, some of them children.
As Fontova points out, during the 1960s alone, the regime Che helped set up executed over 100,000 people, and incarcerated some 350,000 political prisoners out of a Cuban population that numbered only 6.3 million in 1960 (for more detailed figures, see the chapter on Cuba in the thorough Black Book of Communism
). Undoubtedly, there would have been even more executions and political prisoners if not for the fact that so many Cubans were able to flee to the nearby United States.
As Don Surber points out tho, it makes sense:
Well, why not. Obama is a lot like Che. His parents were elitists and maybe leftist. Sure, why not?
A very dangerous man who is getting quite close to becoming our President. Meanwhile you have the loyal party booster Juan Cole calling Ed Morrissey a party flack while making the argument that a flag of a murderer on the walls of a Democrat nominee for President is a-ok because, well, our policy on Cuba sucks.
Follow that argument?
UPDATE
The DummiesU crowd is claiming its not really a Obama office because its all volunteer workers in the office. You see, it only becomes a real office when PAID workers get there…..
Sigh.
Then the Che fanbois came out:
My understanding is that he is a great Latin American Hero, and yes, he was a revolutionary.
Sounds like that’s what George Washington was as well.
You are a fool…..if you think that Che is evil.
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Has Sean Penn signed up as Obama’s campaign manager? Or is Hugo Chavez in charge?
Curt – You’re absolutely right about this going viral, starting right now. This poses a problem for me, as a Virginia republican. Hillary or Obama? I was all for Hillary and then this. OK, still Hillary I guess…just can’t…..make up …..my mind….
I smell a rat! I don’t think that Obama would be this stupid, or his supporters. Check for Clinton finger prints STAT.
Right Alston… Hillary is MUCH better. Her mascot is this guy:
Hey guys,
This is the year of the rat isn’t it? 😛
I’ll put in my cat’s name first before voting on the likes of those two!
Mr. Mistoffelees (Magical Mr. Mistoffelees) Murphy for short.
I am companying for him. See me for bumper stickers.
He is the cat’s meow right now.
I`m so sick of stupid, idiot Dems doing this kind of moronic mistake. Captain is a foot soldier of unbridled allegiance to rascism, sexism and fascism, but he has a point that this is not a good sign for a presidendtial candidate. It shows someone who is not prepared, serious, or involved enough to manage an air-tight campaign. America is a fudged-up place, even among Dems.
I’m just wondering what you would think of the fact that many conservatives place the Confederate battle flag (i.e. a flag used by people who committed a grave act of treason) in high esteem.
Ryzelico,
This conservative’s family ran underground railroads in the 1850s. We also served in the Union Army (and throughout US history in the military). Does that go against your leftist kool-aid? Pardon me if I do not feel unhappy about disproving your lies.
So, “many” conservatives hold the Confederate flag in high esteem? I think not. Maybe, like other leftists, you need to rethink your prejudices and look at the left’s base who holds communist dictators, murderers, Islamic fascists, and Antisemitism in high esteem. If you need evidence, just look at any “anti-war” rally. Zombietime.com has a few pictures if you have trouble finding them.
Thanks Ryzelico — as if we need another example of leftist projectionism. As Chris notes, the left is filled with imagery glorifying murderers, tyrants, and destructive movements, i.e., communism. That some ‘conservatives’ use the confederate flag pales in comparison to the virulent and pathological anti-American hatred of those on the left.
Well, yea, because until that happens, all you have here is some woman who put up a Che flag in her office.
I am not voting for this guy either but come on… All you have is one stupid lady with a poster glorifying a murderer on the wall. This says nothing of Obama, only that idiot at the desk.
We don’t need to demonize this man, all we have to do is point out the differences between the two parties and we will win in November.
Well today is the primary in Virginia. I think I didn’t make myself clear before. I am a republican and since I see no point in voting for a republican today, I want to pick the easier to defeat Lib and make sure he or she gets to the national contest. (In Virginia, you just ask for whichever ballot you want, but you can only vote in one party.)
So, Obama and his Che flag crap, + the primo peruvian flake up his nose, + the not honoring the REAL flag, + whatever else is in his closet makes it hard for me to pick which one sucks less. I think all that said, the black vote makes Obama the stronger candidate, so I’m voting for Hillary. Detested by all, regardless of race.
Alston-don’t do that, vote Huckabee to put the brakes on McCain, see if we can’t cause a brokered convention
I would be willing to bet the Cuban flag with ‘Che’ has been removed by now. We wouldn’t want anybody to get the idea Hussein was the choice of Socialists, Communists, Marxists, Fascists etc . The thought of either one of the ‘rat candidates in the White House is very scary, but especially Hussein.
Post above should be signed Buckeye. Sorry.
Maybe the Che style of punishment is the “change” Obama voters are getting sucked into. We can’t be sure since no one has ever said what change Obama would bring.
“all we have to do is point out the differences”
This, being a major difference. Che hated Blacks BTW.
JAINPHX – You have a point, and I’m not a McCain supporter. But, I’m just not any happier with Huckabee.
It took me a long time to get comfortable with Romney, and I think that’s what happened to many republicans.
I did notice the “Che Obama” story made it on http://www.hotair.com today. Geee, no mention on DrudgeReport. Hmmm….
Viral ????
When can we expect that to happen ?
Just a note:
The Confererate states did not commit a grave act of treason. They exercised their rights identified anad expressed when the United States was formed.
In fact, if memory serves, both Massachutts and Rhode Island threatened to leave the union long before any southerner even though about it,
Check it out.
The Confederates didn’t execute their prisoners on the spot like T-Shirt boy either.
BTW, my great grandfather was a Sergeant in Company A of the Texas 28th Cavalry Regiment under Brigadier General Horace Randal, CSA.
No comparison with a murdering Communist who had to gag the people that he sent before blood and brain spattered firing squads (they were often done at close range). The screaming victims of the firing squads were spooking the executioners, slowing down production, so they had to gag them as well as blindfold them.
But, hey, Instead of hanging an American flag, a Texas flag, heck, even a picture of the lady’s kids, a Cuban flag with a murdering communist is acceptable for a Democrat US Presidential candidate.
>>This says nothing of Obama, only that idiot at the desk.>>
How about _this_? What does _it_ say about Obama?
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-salute.htm
Why elected Republicans fear going vocal with this stuff infuriates me. Dems sure have no problem calling Republicans any kind of outrageous name, often without warrant, they can think of.
This guy can legitimately be questioned on this and the weak kneed Republicans will probably do nothing, again. Hope I am wrong though.
I don’t mind calling out Democrats that overtly appeal to communists, communist dupes or fellow-travelers. Marxist thought stinks on ice. I don’t mind using parody to do it, either. Click the URL to cop a laugh at Barack’s expense.
I read a commenter who wrote this:
“Obama for CHE-nge!!!”
Sums it all up for me.
This is where being unwilling to state his policies and ideas comes back to haunt Obama. Since there essentially is no concrete Obama plan for anything, his supporters seem to be under the impression that he supports damn near everything they want. It increasingly seems like some of Obama’s most vocal supporters don’t have any idea what the heck Obama even stands for or what the heck they are even all riled up about. It really just seems like an anarchist movement.
Excellent point from Jeff Jacoby, regarding the Kennedy comparison. Does anyone think Kennedy would be happy about the Che-Cuban flag hanging there?
What a sad. pathetic thread this is..
To the conservatives/republicans who are all bent out of shape: Have you not seen the “Viva La Reagan Revolucion” t-shirts that have been around for years that used the exact same theme for Ronald Reagan? —> http://www.thoseshirts.com/reagan.html
Suffice to say, if you succeed in making this “Go Viral”, you’ll end up looking like the jackasses you are.
Oh wait! you’re going to say he (Obama, personally) plagiarized from Reagan, right? Is this the best the Clinton supporters and/or Republicans can come up with? Obama isn’t perfect – he young and hasn’t occupied the Senate for that long (personally, I see this as a huge plus)….but at least he isn’t fatally flawed like Clinton (voted for war and has previous Clinton administration’s baggage, hence serious electability issues) and McCain (Bush’s third term – his own party doesn’t even like him).
Quit trafficking in sleaze, people. The more you do, the more you make Clinton’s and McCain’s campaigns seem desperate and trite. Let me let you in on a little secret: Not withstanding an overzealous Obama supporter posting on a blog here and there (every candidate’s group of supporters have a few loudmouths)… many of us support Obama because we are sick of this kind of crap.
You do know what a parody is, correct? Sarcasm in that case was used as criticism of the Che worshippers.
And WHAT does Obama offer? What is “hope” and what are the methods of “change”? What has he done in congress to promote his agenda (whatever it is)? Either Obama has no clue what will bring about his change, or he plans on enforcing holistic socialism and other failed leftist polices on America.
That is not “change”, it is disaster, just like Hillary Clinton’s platform.
Anyways, we just pointed out that Obama’s people are no different from anything else the left is. Simply looking at an ANSWER/Move-on/ACT/NION/WWP/Code Pink rally shows dozens of the same Che shirts and signs. There is no “change” in this theme with Obama.
“because we are sick of this kind of crap.” Anyone who thinks Obama is going to end “this kind of crap” is wrong. The only way to end “this kind of crap” is to start supporting America and quit supporting any one who is willing to claim they hate us. Something that liberals seem unwilling to do.
@ChrisG: So when Reagan is compared with Che Guevara, it is just a parody…like for laughs. When Obama is compared with Che Guevara:
Obama is a lot like Che. His parents were elitists and maybe leftist.
That is very convenient logic. which leads me to…
@Pagar: This kind of logic is “the kind of crap” to which I am referring, yes. “Start supporting America”? What kind of pseudo-patriotic bs is that? Oh… i see. Is he a “commie”?
You guys remind me of Frank Burns from M*A*S*H
Ahh the insults from the troll.. Straight out of the blog crasher’s playbook.
Sorry, we deal with professional trolls all the time. You are not a professional.
Like another troll, you fail to see what a parody is. Sad life you live. So easily confused by sarcasm and parody. Regan supporters do not worship Che. The left, however, does.
Conservatives do not idolize Che at “anti war” rallies as the left does. We laugh at him now, but are saddened at the thousands he executed in the name of socialism and its “god” Marx.
Anyways, welcome to last week’s news. The funny part is that Hillary cannot attack Obama on this as it would alienate her own supporters also. It is fun to watch but sad that there are people who still worship Che, just as it is disgusting that there are people who worship Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Marx.
Chamberlin, I’ve lived under Socialism before, and I don’t want to again. That’s why I don’t like the Pope of Hope who whenever he talks about any details always wants to raise taxes and redistribute income.
“Is he a Commie?
The people that should Know seem to think he supports them.
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/586/1/3/
“A number of exciting candidates are emerging in the Senate, in the first place Barak Obama in Illinois, and also several progressive women including Betty Castor seeking to retain retiring Bob Graham’s seat as Democrat; Nancy Farmer seeking to defeat Kit Bond in Missouri; Inez Tenenbaum seeking to retain retiring Fritz Hollings seat as Democrat.
@ChrisG
Is anybody who disagrees with you a Troll? I know what sarcasm is and I know what a parody is. That said…This post was meant as an Obama smear that the author wanted to “Go Viral” and you know it. Read the original post…Don’t try and deny that – you will be insulting my intelligence and those who read/post here.
You say that the Reagan t-shirt was a “parody”… my question is how come the “Che Obama” poster is scandalous enough to “Go Viral” and to brand him an “elitist and maybe a leftist” but the Reagan t-shirts that I’ve been seeing for years are just “parody”. If this makes me a troll, then I’m a troll and this blog isn’t about intelligent debate… it is about a bunch of like-minded conservatives reinforcing each other’s beliefs. What good is that?
I don’t believe Che is a hero of Obama’s (unless he’s stated it somewhere); but when 2 of these flags appear in Obama campaign offices…it says something about some of his supporters, as well as their lack of judgment in even thinking there’d be anything wrong with the flag appearing in the background, with Che’s image.
The difference between this and the Reagan Che-like image, should be obvious. Do you think the one who came up with the Che-like parody with Reagan’s face is an admirer of Che Guevara? Do you think whoever hung the Cuban flag with Che’s face plastered on it is an admirer of Che Guevara? And is that person not an Obama campaign worker and supporter?
What exactly is it that you think Obama will do for this country? And can you be more specific about “this kind of crap”, and how that relates to being an Obama supporter. What is the correlation here?
Yep… And now the feelings of being “persecuted”… Right on schedule! “I will be heard or else you are all bad people”. Well, you are being heard and no one has deleted your posts. I can refer you to left wing sites that will if you want. I also answered your points and made additional ones you went past. You are following a methodology I cited as a “playbook” which we have seen here many times. Sorry if calling you on it upset you.
I believe Curt said “This is going to go viral quite quickly so might as well jump on the train.” while embedding the links. I could have cared less as watching Hillary, who is the easier candidate to beat, have her house of cards fall to a newcomer is fun. That said, I do not support Obama at all, nor Hillary Clinton, nor ANY democrat running.
If you want like minded people re-enforcing each others beliefs, go to DU/Kos, a Move-On convention, or the CPUSA site Pager found.. We will debate you, I just pointed out a common tactic you seem to be following.
As for your comment:
It has been a week and the story has not “gone viral”. However, having his workers, volunteer or not, with these flags all over their office shows who he attracts. The fact that the CPUSA and most likely the WWP are still all but endorsing leftist Democrats speaks volumes of the modern Democratic Party. The icing on the cake would be if CAIR endorsed them also.
As I stated above, conservatives mock the socialist thug Che, leftists worship him. Do you see the difference?
As I stated above:
Anyways, welcome to last week’s news. The funny part is that Hillary cannot attack Obama on this as it would alienate her own supporters also. It is fun to watch but sad that there are people who still worship Che, just as it is disgusting that there are people who worship Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Marx.
@ChrisG:
I wasn’t feeling “persecuted” in the least. I found this post via StumbleUpon – If you’re not familiar, it is a toolbar that installs in your browser that pops up recommended sites at random. Someone submitted this post to StumbleUpon, I read it, became very irritated by its content and posted. I wasn’t following any “playbook” – you guys think everything is a conspiracy and it is linked somehow to Socialism or Communism, I’ve noticed. Like I said… you all seem like Frank Burns from M*A*S*H. I fully recognize that this is a rather extreme right-wing blog and I was blog crashing. For that, I do apologize. I do, however, stand by what I’ve written. I wrote it because I believe posts like this poison the public debate on some very important issues. My gut feeling when I read this page was that extreme right-wing conservatives can’t find anything on Obama, so they are trying anything they can to smear him. If it was about the Renzi land deal or something I could see that…but this is just nonsense. Do you think it crossed Obama’s desk as a directive that Che Guevara’s likeness be hung at any of his campaign offices? I’m sure the idiot campaign worker that hung it there (if it actually was a campaign worker, at all) didn’t ask anybody else in the campaign and certainly not Senator Obama.
On the Che Guevara thing: First of all… I am a “Liberal” – on this site, this seems to translate as a “Socialist” or “Leftist” – Whatever. If I bought up Che Guevara in a political conversation when talking to my friends who are liberal, college educated people, they would look at me like I was nuts. The fact is, I don’t know much about Che Guevara besides the main points… he is a footnote in history to me and to most liberals. Trust me…Liberals do not “worship” Che Guevara. It isn’t that we hate him either… my guess is that most Liberals don’t even consider him important – certainly not in the context of the modern United States. He seems to be your anti-hero so you guys talk about him all the time…kind of weird.
You guys seem to have a fetish of picking out historical figures who have been dead for 40 years or more (Marx, Guevara, etc.) and finding SOME connection between them and those with whom you don’t agree (who are still alive). This pathetic tactic reminds me of a religious nutcase saying that everybody they don’t agree with is in league with Satan.
Yes Yes… I know. College kids wear t-shirts with Che Guevara on them…this pisses people like yourself off so the Reagan t-shirt was created as a defiant answer to it. This does not mean Reagan was in league with Guevara… it means the opposite. I get it. Do you think some college kid wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt knows all about or cares about Che himself or does he/she wear it because it is a rebellious, cool looking t-shirt that pisses people like yourself off? What I took offense to was that this post painted the incident as direct evidence that Obama and his supporters were Socialist thugs…just like Che Guevara. No… this was never said word for word but its intention is unmistakable.
I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of Liberals are not die-hard Socialists and certain don’t worship Che Guevara. They (and the majority of the citizens of the US according to most recent polls) favor universal healthcare because healthcare is a basic thing that everybody needs. Insurance and pharmaceutical corporations reaping huge profits from providing a basic human need (often in a very predatory manner) doesn’t sit well with most people. Something has to be done so all of our citizens get taken care of. THIS is true patriotism. It does NOT mean that someone is going to come to your house and make your property the property of the state. This is a cowardly, juvenile notion, in my opinion.
@Wordsmith
More specifics on what I meant by “this kind of crap”? Here goes. I’m tired of the campaigns and the media – and I’m including blogs as “the media” doing hitjobs on those that they don’t agree with. Like I said above, if the post was about the Renzi land deal with Obama, that would be a viable point – though one that I don’t see as a huge deal. This post was nonsense and instead of being based on fact, it was based purely on innuendo.
On how it relates to being an Obama supporter: i’ve seen a rash of nutjob blog posts, theories, etc. about Obama since he emerged as the front runner. These include that he is Muslim, that he wanted to be sworn in using the Quran, etc. These are lies, pure and simple.
From my view – though it may be patently naive – Obama is running a much cleaner campaign than Clinton or any of the Republicans and it is my hope that once he wins the presidency people stop voting according to some ridiculous fabrication and instead consider the issues and the character of the person they are voting for. The attacks won’t stop but I’m hoping that people’s craving for “red meat” reduces. I’m sick of reading and debating about it.
As an aside: I fundamentally disagree with John McCain on just about everything. However, I consider the New York Times story about McCain in the same category as this post at this point. There wasn’t any evidence in that story and it seems like it is going to scuttle his candidacy – leaving the Republicans without a viable candidate. This was a dirty, dishonest move though in the NYT defense, it was originally unearthed by a conservative blogger (Matt Drudge). Of course, if evidence is produced, he’ll deserve to lose.
As I said… I just happened to stumble onto this blog and had to voice my opinions. I won’t be posting anymore. Thanks for the debate and sorry to be a blog-crasher.
Chamberlin,
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I personally hope this isn’t the last time you post here. And no need to apologize for “blog-crashing”. I know the “tone” and content of the post rubbed you the wrong way; but you must see that the tone of your first comment set the tone of how us right-wing extremists would knee-jerk respond, since we’re so predictably good at knee-jerking. Liberals would never do that. Just ask Philly Steve.
I think some of your criticism does have validity; but it’s mixed in with preconceptions and projectionism; as well as misconceptions and a certain (self-professed) naivete’, regarding why Che Guevara is so reviled.
I wish I had more time on my hands to do your comments justice, and give you the courtesy of a response, worthy of the time and energy you put into them. For, now, just a couple of points:
Is this not “socialism”? The kind of idea that you just disassociated yourself from being aligned to and felt the majority of Democrats are being slandered by?
You seem to have a distaste for labels- “leftists”, “conservative”, “liberal”, etc. Why? I think identifying positions and categorizing is important, as much as people may feel like they are “above labeling”. You, yourself, have engaged in “generalities” in maligning all of us here, before “getting to know us”, and how each of us thinks, independently. You accuse us of liberal stereotyping, when you’re engaged in the very same preconceptions of us and this blog.
Have you considered that pharmaceutical companies invest vast amounts of time and money in research and development?
Thomas Sowell:
Chamberlin,
Odd you should use the major Burns mischaracterisation as I am an active duty US Army major. I am sorry you feel like I put you in a box, but your responses fit a pattern and now you state you are done with posting. My life depends on understanding patterns and maybe I was a little too open about predicting yours.
We have several other leftists who follow similar patterns on this site. They stick to them like glue and spout their shouting points, which will cause reactions from others here. You have decided to break with their pattern, which gives hope for debate.
Now as for the left’s love of Che. YOU may not know much about him, nor would you support him, HOWEVER, the “base” of the left-wing loves him. His images, writings, and “inspirations” are present at every “anti-war” rally, leftist book convention, protest, and MOVE-ON/ANSWER/etc gathering. I “hope” (using that word reluctantly) that most of the people wearing his shirts and praising his name are as ignorant of the real Che Guevara and his crimes. I say this because if they are knowledgable about them and advocate them, then the “radical” left is a danger to everyone. Either that, or they truly define Lenin’s “useful idiots”.
Congradualtions for “breaking from the pack” on this issue.
We will have to severly dissagree on what “true patriotism” is because universal heathcare is not a right, it is a very expensive to provide service which Word has gone into just some details on. I would add the costs of legal actions against hospitals and drug companies for their lack of omnipotence in developing new medications, forcing hospitals to absorb costs of treating illegals, dealing with illegal drug related health issues, etc. As much as these companies (insurance, drug companies, and hospitals) charge, some still cannot make it due to the above and others raise their premiums to cover the costs of R&D, legal, and non-insured coverage.
yes there is a better way, but universal (socialist) healthcare is not it. Start with tort reforms and real anti-illegal immigration laws to reduce burdens on hospitals.
I will ignor the statement you made after for civility sake. Try not paying your taxes, which will skyrocket under a Democrat, and see how your statement holds up. Also read what leftists in the Democratic party are stating about confiscating profits (private property of companies and self-employed people).
Come back if you wish. No one is forcing you away. Please remember though that I and others reacted because other leftists have “poisoned the well” for you. After dealing with them and doing my job daily, it does grate on me, especially when I was reading the left’s ignorance while I was in Iraq.
I just love the smell of SPAM on a beautiful Sunday afternoon.
Barack “Che” Obama
It’s a distraction Obama’s favorite word! (something he rather not discuss)
Obama is a great speaker I heard someone say. I think he is except I know the power words used and all of the bullshit flowers he plants along in a row. I hate that kind of reading or speech it puts me to sleep! I know bullshit when I hear it!!!
You really need to be a psych major to get it and it’s dangerous when morons like this know how to manipulate a crowd!
Looks like all of you scared lil punks were wrong!!! OBAMA is victor! Long live the Left! If socialiasm is coming, so be it. Down with the imperialistic and capitalistic pigs that come from america.
I see the “I hate America” will totally destroy our country! Like 45!
I am sure glad I transferred my hard earned cash before the drop! And see if I give to loony left causes! Not one red dime of it!!!
In less then a year we will see the true colors! The greed and hand outs from the ones who never had anything. Oh and still not willing to work for it!
Jim Jones convinced folks to drink kool aide too!
Thank God there are more of us that haven’t been born from a prostitute on drugs!
It sounds to me that alot of people are not looking at what Obama is trying to do. He is trying to turn enimies into friends and lighten the laws ristricting Cuban born us residents and citizens from visting their families and renigotiate the block that was placed during the cuban missle crisis. He will be talking to another country Venisuela who by the way hates us, and trying to gain some ground with them and repair our ties with Russia as well. That has nothing to do with the succesful militant Che whom by the way helped Fidel Castro over throw an even worst political power then he was. Before Castro was Batista who tortured the youth for the hell of it. The US just didnt like it when Castro took over because he stopped the free trade and made it comunist. The US was for Batista whom tortured his own people and had anyone that said anything about it taken away where they would do things like take out their eyes, burn their genitailia, pull out teeth then eventually kill them. When i say his own people i meant the young guys around 14 to mid 20s was kindof the thing to do. The US had nothing to say about that because we were in bed with him. The only thing I am proud of about being American is that i can say this without being tortured like other countries. But we have one of the dirtiest countrys from slavery to watergate and when i hear someone talking shit about something that they know nothing about it just makes me sick. Its like false advertisment people will believe anything the media tells them. Obama is our hope to repairing our ties with other countries becasue guess what this country needed other countries right now and instead of holding the man back why dont you for once stand behind your elected president. I sure in hell voted for him and i will not listen to an idiot talking shit. Have a nice day and do some damn research.
@Rita:
Ours was not “the dirtiest country” when it comes to the institution of slavery.
FUCK OFF RITA I HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH YOU SOCIALIST WIND BAG!!!