Isn’t it curious how the left constantly wailed about Scott McClellan allegedly lying during his press conferences, but now that he is saying something that smells like trash talk about Bush, he is suddenly a truth teller.
Funny, funny stuff.
Whats the trash talk? Well, he writes a tell-all book and wanting to ensure it will sell millions he releases a few sentences that he knew would get the left drooling in anticipation.
Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan blames President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for efforts to mislead the public about the role of White House aides in leaking the identity of a CIA operative.
In an excerpt from his forthcoming book, McClellan recount the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby were “not involved” in the leak involving operative Valerie Plame.
“There was one problem. It was not true,” McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Monday. “I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest-ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president’s chief of staff and the president himself.”
And do they ever drool. Olbermann and Matthews almost orgasmed on camera.
But I have a question for Scott. Are you telling me that you lied last March?
KING: Scott, were you lied to?
MCCLELLAN: Well, Larry, I said what I believed to be true at the time. It was also what the president believed to be true at the time based on assurances that we were both given.
Or are you just trying to sell books?
I’m betting the latter.
UPDATE
Jeff Gannon with some interesting facts:
Later in the same interview, McClellan responded to the allegation that the White House sought to gain from ‘outing’ Valerie Plame:
Well, Larry, remember that the person was the one who was the original or primary source for Robert Novak, the column that started this whole investigation really was Dick Armitage, who was the deputy secretary of State, not really a proponent of the Iraq war. And it was certainly not a partisan gun-slinger as Robert Novak said in his article or said later in an interview. In terms of any other involvement beyond that, what came out in this trial is what I learned for the first time. So I don’t know of any effort beyond what we have seen in this trial come out in the media that was going on. I think one of the questions that this gets to is, was the administration trying to discredit or retaliate against a critic? I would say that the administration was trying to set the record straight. Whether or not people were involved in leaking someone’s name and that name was classified, that’s a different matter. I don’t know anything about that.
McClellan indicated that his entire knowledge of the ‘outing’ of Valerie Plame from both his personal knowledge and the public record was complete at this point, yet did not make any claim that high-ranking officials sent him out to “pass false information” about it. McClellan’s meaning in the book excerpt is murky at best and does not necessarily contradict the definitive statements he made to Larry King.
UPDATE II
Just as we figured, it was all a ploy to sell more books:
Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan does not believe President Bush lied to him about the role of White House aides I. Lewis Scooter Libby or Karl Rove in the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity, according to McClellan’s publisher.
Peter Osnos, the founder and editor-in-chief of Public Affairs Books, which is publishing McClellan’s book in April, tells NBC from his Connecticut home that McCLellan, “Did not intend to suggest Bush lied to him.”
Osnos says when McClellan went before the White House press corps in 2003 to publicly exonerate Libby and Rove, the problem was that his statement was not true. Osnos said the president told McClellan what “he thought to be the case.” But, he says, McClellan believes, “the president didn’t know it was not true.”
Story continues below ↓advertisementOsnos says the quotes which appeared on the Public Affairs Books website were part of the roll out of the book catalogues for the spring printings. And he says McClellan had not finished the manuscript for the memoir yet and was working under deadline to have the book completed for the April publishing.
Olby and Chrissy are no doubt inconsolable now.
See author page
Cool, guess that indictment on Rove and the rest should be coming any day then huh?
Loosen the tinfoil hat, you may live a happier life.
Re: “That’s wonderful! A dozen bi-partisan, independent, international investigations into Iraq intel, all show bad intel, weak intel, and no lies-not even undo pressure or manipulation, but the very same people who will vote for Hillary….rant away that “Bush lied.””
Dead wrong.
Prior to the invasion, the Bush Administration had information that it witheld from the intelligence committes of Congress. This was secretly passed from the Iraqi Foreign minister, who reported that Saddam had no WMD’s. However President Bush both lied to America, and witheld this information from members of Congress (even though, in 2004 he declared that “Congress had the same information we had”).
Bush lied.
We went to war.
But not one single Conservative is permitted to admit this happened because every single one of them is more loyal to George W. Bush personally than they are to the United States of America. Without exception.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11927856/
In the period before the Iraq war, the CIA and the Bush administration erroneously believed that Saddam Hussein was hiding major programs for weapons of mass destruction. Now NBC News has learned that for a short time the CIA had contact with a secret source at the highest levels within Saddam Hussein’s government, who gave them information far more accurate than what they believed. It is a spy story that has never been told before, and raises new questions about prewar intelligence.
What makes the story significant is the high rank of the source. His name, officials tell NBC News, was Naji Sabri, Iraq’s foreign minister under Saddam. Although Sabri was in Saddam’s inner circle, his cosmopolitan ways also helped him fit into diplomatic circles.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Salon_Former_CIA_officers_report_Bush_0906.html
Reporting in Salon, Blumenthal writes that according to his sources, two former CIA officers,”Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.”
Blumenthal also adds that the intelligence from that day was left out of the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which definitively stated that Iraq had WMD.
“The president had no interest in the intelligence,” a CIA officer disclosed. “Bush didn’t give a f*** about the intelligence. He had his mind made up.”
“No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq,” Blumenthal writes. “The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.”
Part 2 of post, where President Bush ignores CIa information he does not want, and witholds it from Congressional Intelligence Committee members.
This is how President bush launched his invasion, and why he conspired with Dick Cheney to ruin the career of Valerie Plame because of Joe Wilson’s (accurate) challenging of Bush Administration claims.
This is the man Conservatives continue to worship and protect, despite the thousands who have died and will continue to die for his deceit.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Salon_Former_CIA_officers_report_Bush_0906.html
Reporting in Salon, Blumenthal writes that according to his sources, two former CIA officers,”Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.”
Blumenthal also adds that the intelligence from that day was left out of the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which definitively stated that Iraq had WMD.
“The president had no interest in the intelligence,” a CIA officer disclosed. “Bush didn’t give a fuck about the intelligence. He had his mind made up.”
“No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq,” Blumenthal writes. “The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.”
Blumenthal’s sources confirm a 2006 interview with the CIA’s chief of clandestine operations for Europe, Tyler Drumheller, who told CBS’s 60 Minutes that his agency had received intelligence from Saddam Hussein’s foreign minister, Naji Sabri, indicating Iraq possessed no WMD.
“[The two former CIA officers] have confirmed Drumheller’s account to me and provided the background to the story of how the information that might have stopped the invasion of Iraq was twisted in order to justify it,” Blumenthal reports. “They described what Tenet said to Bush about the lack of WMD, and how Bush responded, and noted that Tenet never shared Sabri’s intelligence with then Secretary of State Colin Powell.”
Oh man….it figures you would use a article by Sidney Blumenthal, of all people, to try and make a silly point. Of course the lefts savior, Mr. Blix, went before the world in 2003 and announced that Saddam had failed to account for the tons of Anthrax and other CBN materials.
So according to yourself and Sidney, Bush should of listened to this guy instead of Blix. He should of listened to Sabri instead of all of his predecessors (Clinton and the rest of the gang), or even the rest of the worlds intelligence.
You forgot to add this part from the Sabri intelligence:
Hmmmm, guess Sidney and yourself just missed that.
Oh, one other thing, as you draft those articles of impeachment will you also draft criminal charges against your savior?
No?
Shocker!
I’m betting it’s because you think he became a good boy and got rid of the stuff. I would agree with ya:
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You people are insane.
ahhhhhh Salon’s claim that there was dismissed pre-war intel. Ohhhhh, but the head of European CIA says so. Really? That’s interesting.
But ya did get one thing right…there was secret intel that the Bush Admin didn’t share with anyone until 2005/6:
…and he turned out to be correct and.or close to correct on all parts.
The reason that the Bush Admin blew off the CIA’s source in Europe was because Germany, Italy, France, and others (including elements of UK govt) were feeding disinfo to US as late as 11/02 prior to the CIA’s presentation of it’s “Iraqi Support for Terrorism 2003” report (presented in Jan 03).
Any diplomatic efforts after 31Jan 03-shy of complete acquiescence to the UN/US demands-were dismissed because at that point the war was militarily almost impossible to stop. Think of it as, ‘sorry, you had 12year, 18 resolutions, thousands of inspections, and still refused to help prove your disarmament and compliance'(recall that Dr Blix’ 3/6/03 Unresolved Disarmament Issues Rpt flatly stated that the onus to prove disarmament and compliance was upon Iraq-not on inspectors. Inspectors were not supposed to be weapons hunters, but rather Monitors, Observers, and Verifiers of disarmament and compliance (hence UN M O V IC).
go back to Salon, get some new fiction.
Re: “You people are insane.”
Of course. Now it’s all in Syria. I thought everything went to Iran? Or Russia?
The NeoConservatives and Bush Loyalists won’t be happy until America is at war with the entire world.
Quoteing the Free Republica or World Tribune is about as reliable as quoting NewsMax or a dozen other “reliable” NeoConservative sources. I hear that “Curveball” is pushing the “moved weapons” story as well.
Salon and The New Yorker have been much more accurate (with exceptions that I’m sure you can find with the help of Rush limbaugh) than any NeoConservative source that Republicans are required to believe without question.
Re: The reason that the Bush Admin blew off the CIA’s source in Europe was because Germany, Italy, France, and others (including elements of UK govt) were feeding disinfo to US as late as 11/02 prior to the CIA’s presentation of it’s “Iraqi Support for Terrorism 2003″ report (presented in Jan 03). ”
But they were right and President Bush was wrong. Even though neither he, nor a single Conservative is allowed to admit it.
More NeoConservative “proof”.
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/category/wmd/
http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/?p=110
However a study that was not based on NeoConservative dogma found differently.
http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/duelfer.html
However I’m sure that not one single Conservative is allowed to read the last post, only the first two.
Of course, Conservatives must still claim that this report is “Liberally biased”, despite this item:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12115-2004Oct6.html
The 1991 Persian Gulf War and subsequent U.N. inspections destroyed Iraq’s illicit weapons capability and, for the most part, Saddam Hussein did not try to rebuild it, according to an extensive report by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq that contradicts nearly every prewar assertion made by top administration officials about Iraq.
Charles A. Duelfer, whom the Bush administration chose to complete the U.S. investigation of Iraq’s weapons programs, said Hussein’s ability to produce nuclear weapons had “progressively decayed” since 1991. Inspectors, he said, found no evidence of “concerted efforts to restart the program.”
The findings were similar on biological and chemical weapons. While Hussein had long dreamed of developing an arsenal of biological agents, his stockpiles had been destroyed and research stopped years before the United States led the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Duelfer said Hussein hoped someday to resume a chemical weapons effort after U.N. sanctions ended, but had no stocks and had not researched making the weapons for a dozen years.
Duelfer’s report, delivered yesterday to two congressional committees, represents the government’s most definitive accounting of Hussein’s weapons programs, the assumed strength of which the Bush administration presented as a central reason for the war. While previous reports have drawn similar conclusions, Duelfer’s assessment went beyond them in depth, detail and level of certainty.
“We were almost all wrong” on Iraq, Duelfer told a Senate panel yesterday.
But I’m sure that Conservatives are still required to believe “the WMD’s are in Syria”, because The World Tribune says so.
The above post is from me. I forgot to fill in the “Name”.
Re: “Any diplomatic efforts after 31Jan 03-shy of complete acquiescence to the UN/US demands-were dismissed because at that point the war was militarily almost impossible to stop.”
A US invasion of Iraq was almost impossible to stop starting in January 2001, when George w. Bush took the oath of office as President. This is a war he wanted from Day-One. It is the war he got. It is also the war he botched, at the loss of thousands of lives and $3 billion a week, far into the future.
But not one single Conservative here is allowed, due to total Republican Party loyalty above that to their country, to admit the degree to which George w. Bush’s incompetent management of the occupation has harmed our country. Not one.
“to admit the degree to which George w. Bush’s incompetent management of the occupation has harmed our country. Not one.”
Yah that’s sad for your country, man, you can never learn from your mistakes if you never admit to them….and I mean does the Republican party really, really think there were no mistakes made during this whole fiasco??
Good luck US, maybe in 10-20 years you’ll be back on your feet, but by then the rest of the world will have continued to move forward leaving you further in the dust.
Re: Yah that’s sad for your country, man, you can never learn from your mistakes if you never admit to them….and I mean does the Republican party really, really think there were no mistakes made during this whole fiasco??”
Yes, they do believe that no one in theBush administration MADE any mistakes. Mistakes fell from the sky, and no one is accountable, especially “The Decider”.
That is what it means to be a Republican: You are loyal to your Party and your Party’s President, far beyond any loyalty to your country or your conscience (if you have one).
Jeff Gannon what a joke using his name come on now get serious we still remember who he is.
Re: “Jeff Gannon what a joke using his name come on now get serious we still remember who he is.”
We might. However we are those “evil” outsiders who actrually remmeber what happened the day before yesterday.
republican Party Loyal Conservatives are required to forget everythig that ever happened and only know what is told to them via approved channels TODAY.
That is why Conservatives are High-Five’ing themselves becaue the civil war in Iraq is “only” at the level it was in 2005, as though that is great progress. Remembering the promises of the Bush Administration from 2003 (“If we are in Iraq more than six months, that will be too long”, Donald Rumsfeld) is verboten.
Now the Loyal Bushies are discussing what a great idea it would be to do a soft partition of Iraq into three regions: An idea they declared “DOA” when Democrat Joe Biden proposed it in 2004-2005. Conservatives must pretend that George W. Bush thought of this idea himself, originally, yesterday evening.
Is that all you lefties have? Gannon. Don’t bother discussing the point of the post, just keep saying Gannon, Gannon and more Gannon.
Sheesh, you guys are bereft of any real thought aren’t ya?
We’ve shown you time and again Steve with links and quotes how wrong you are. Instead you just say the same thing over and over and over again like some robot. You ignore it all and spout your liberal talking points as if they are proof positive that you are right.
All it does is show us all how incapable you are of thinking for yourself.
Have fun with that tho.
Re: “We’ve shown you time and again Steve with links and quotes how wrong you are.”
When your “proof” comes from World Net or Jeff Gannon, then we do question your veracity. That’s like the NY Times checking on Dick Cheney’s truthfulness about Saddam’s WMD’s by calling Scooter Libby.
And your proof is Salon?
Scott and the rest of us have plenty of posts up with plenty of references from all kinds of different sources. Check the sidebar.
Checking the web via Google I see your pastime is to hit every conservative blog spouting the same ridiculous assertions with no evidence. I don’t think you’ve left one conservative blog untouched. You must be proud….
Sad man, just sad.
But hey, knock yourself out. You only make yourself look foolish.
I have been proven correct in my assertions, particularly when confronted with Conservatives proving their loyalty to George W. Bush, every time.
This site is not different. No Conservative her is permitted to say that President Bush has been anything other than divinely inspired in his management of the occupation of iraq.
Go ahead and prove me wrong… But you won’t. You are as loyal as every other Conservative in this country. and as consistent in maintaining the Bush Bubble.
You’ve been proven incorrect in almost every aspect of your comments to this blog and all the others you deem to harass with your retarded ideas and “facts”
I guess when you are a Conservative personal insults substitute for facts.
I’ve seen that exact same crying from you on the other conservative sites when they have had enough of your baloney.
Need a hug?
The facts are liberally biased.
Re: “I’ve seen that exact same crying from you on the other conservative sites when they have had enough of your baloney.
Need a hug?”
Item 1: I do not recall being banned from any other site. Nor do I recall being proven wrong on any of those sites either, except for the usual Conservative, “because I said so” statements. (Of course, I do understand why a Conservative would assume such a statement was sufficient proof, since that is all the proof that any Conservative ever requires from the Republican National Committee or the Bush white house).
Item 2: No, but thank you for offering.
Banned? What the hell you talking about? Who said you were banned? If you had been banned at those sites then you very well couldn’t cry on those sites about being banned could you?
Man, your in la-la land.
I said they had enough with your sillyness and called you on it. Then you started crying.
You’ve been proven wrong across the blogosphere and refuse to accept reality. But as I said, thats your prerogative.
Philly Steve,
You’ve been proven wrong across the blogosphere?
What did you do, swear Saddam had WMDs, say we were winning the war in 2004, 2005, and 2006?
Here’s the good news (for you): If you had, Time Magazine would make you a bureau chief.
If he had of said that Saddam had WMD’s then he would of been proven right. If he had said we were winning in those years, he also would have been proven right. We’ve been accomplishing our goals over there since the start, its just you lefties who demand results RIGHT NOW! Easy to understand why seeing as how you don’t have a clue how to fight a war. Here’s a clue, its not just lobbing a few missiles like your hero did.
Not once have we been losing, to your chagrin I’m sure.
RIGHHHT!
Thanks Curt.
One other question: What color is the sky in your world?*
BTW, it’s blue here on Earth.
* Why do I get the funny feeling your answer will “seven”?
Doh, I forgot, you only get your news from the KOS kiddies and DummiesU. Sorry, thought you were a intelligent human being there for a minute…my bad.
You’re bad alright.
Suckered into supporting a war for profiteers closely connected to those who pushed for the war in the first place.
And then blindly believing what those same people tell you.
On second thought, I’d say you’re more naively gullible than bad.
Just another reason why we should replace “In God We Trust” with “Slow on the Uptake”.
It better describes the true American fabric.
See, you proven my point. You have too few brain cells left for any kind of cognitive thought process. Instead you blindly spout the leftards talking points and march to their drum beat.
Your mommy and daddy must be so proud at what a waste you have become.
Robert: If you have anything to add that has greater depth than the bumper stickers you are currently posting, I’d be interested to read it. But so far, you’ve got all the depth of a Code Pinko.
Philly Steve said he’s never been proven wrong? Is his memory that poor?
Here’s a few reminders for starters:
http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/18/democrats-believe-iraq-defeat/index.html#comment-31431
http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/18/democrats-believe-iraq-defeat/index.html#comment-31449
But it’s not that Philly Steve is just WRONG, he also said:
“The New York Times has been the handmaiden of the Bush Administration”
And
“The Bush Administratio hates our troops.”
You are your own worst enemy Steve. Anything sensible you MIGHT say gets lost in the flood of moonbattery that you clearly embrace.
You have no credibility at all.
Mike,
How deep do you want to go?
Do I need to write a Thesis Paper to show you that the people who are making money off the war in Iraq are closely connected to those who started it?
Start with W’s Dad, who is on the Board of the Carlyle Group.
As for supporting the troops, I say we provide all returning troops with lifetime healthcare (the best physical and mental healthcare we can possibly provide), free housing, and job training to get them back on track upon their return.
This will cost America a lot of money, but it’s the least we can do for our brave troops.
What you say? Ready to help me lobby the Bush Administration for this? Let’s me and you put a plan together to push this through. I’ve already written my representatives with the request.
Put your money where your mouth is, big boy. You ready to pay more in taxes to support the troops?
Or have you already done enough by driving to the mall with a magnet on your car?
Re: “its just you lefties who demand results RIGHT NOW! ”
No.
It was Donald Rumsfeld, the man dick Cheney instructed all Conservatives to accept as “the greatest Secretary of Defence in US History” who said, “if we’re in [Iraq] six months, that will be too long.
It has been the Conservatives who went in declaring there would be a short stay, not Liberals.
However I understand that the White House does not permit Conservatives to remember that item, does it?
Re: “The Bush Administration hates our troops.”
Considering how the Bush Administration treated our wounded troops (only acting AFTER the facts were revealed in the newspapers), I stand by that comment.
An Administration that actually cared would have made sure the treatment of wounded troops was up to par BEFORE it was a PR problem, not after.
That fact that no one in the White House cared is evidence that all George W. Bush cares about is the APPEARANCE of being the “Compassinate Conservative’, and not the substance.
I stand by my statement.
Re: “Put your money where your mouth is, big boy. You ready to pay more in taxes to support the troops?”
The quickest way to turn the War Hawks on the Right into “Abbie Hoffman’s” is to ask them to actually pay for the wars they so desperately want.
Case in point.
Conservatives constantly like to compare the war in Iraq to WW II (at least they did before somone pointed out that the US war in Iraq has extended longer than its war in Europe).
However.
In addition to borrowing the money to pay for WW II, the US had substantially higher tax rates during the war as well, exceeding 80% at the top marginal rates.
There is not one single conservative in the Untied States, not one, who would even pay 1% more in taxes to support Bush’s war in Iraq, let alone 45% more (at te top end).
Conservatives only want wars that someone else will pay for (either with their bodies or their checkbook). That is why Dick “I had better things to do” Cheney is the leader of the ChickenHawk Brigade.
Re:
Philly Steve said he’s never been proven wrong? Is his memory that poor?
Here’s a few reminders for starters:
http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/18/democrats-believe-iraq-defeat/index.html#comment-31431
http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/18/democrats-believe-iraq-defeat/index.html#comment-31449
But it’s not that Philly Steve is just WRONG, he also said:
Those are quotes from comments put forth by Osama bin laden, in furtherance of his stated goal of enticing America to “bleed itself white” in Iraq as he rebuilds and furthers his objectives safely from the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
Thanks to George W. Bush letting bin Laden and his henchmen go at Tora Bora that is exactly what is happening.
Please tell me. What will happen if we “defeat” al Qaeda in Iraq?
Will the remaining 90% of the insurgent force give up and lay down their arms? Of course not, especially since America is now supplying even more weapons, money and training to Sunni and Shia militias. They will continue their three-way civil war, with Iran gaining influence by the day and Turkey going to war with the Kurds.
Will Osama bin Laden turn himself in to the authorities? Of course not, he is safe in Pakistan or Afghanistan (although Conservatives have been instructed to believe he is dead, I know). And is free to instruct his troops worldwide, unhindered by the US or Pakistani government.
Will the Saudis stop funding fundamentalist schools? No, infact they are in the processing of ordering whippings of gang-rape victims as we speak. of course, since the Saudi Royal Family are personal friends of the Bush’s, Conservatives must mute their comments to a few, short frowns.
Will Iran stop being the ascendant power in the Middle East now that its rival iraq has been removed? of course not, a majority of the current iraqi central government spent their exile years, if not in Londaon (Curveball), then in Tehran. Iran is the big winner there, thanks to George W. Bush.
Please tell me exactly how George W. Bush, the man Conservatives equate with Abraham Lincoln, has achieved greatness with his war in Iraq.
I can tell you the result: The war in Iraq will end when theChinese central government decides to stop lending the US government $100 billion + every year to pay for Bus’s borrowed war. At that point the US ecnoomy will collapse and China will emerge as the other big winner from Bush’s War.
But, again, conservatives are not permitted to contemplate those consequences either, since DickCheney told them “deficits don’t matter”, they must believe it, without question.
Re: “As for supporting the troops, I say we provide all returning troops with lifetime healthcare (the best physical and mental healthcare we can possibly provide), free housing, and job training to get them back on track upon their return.”
That will only happen if Blackwater, run by a religious fundamentalist with close ties to the Bush Family and the Religious Right, gets a no-bid contract to run it.
Gotta hand it to you two. You always bring a smile to my face with your sillyness.
You lefties always want to raise taxes, doesn’t matter the reason, you want it raised and redistributed.
The Iraq war is less then 1% of total economy, total…TOTAL defense spending is 4% of the GDP. Which is 10% lower then it was during Korea and 5% lower then Vietnam. As for WWII, it cost almost a 3rd of our total economy during that period. To try and compare the two is ludicrous, but that is something which you excel at. If it gets to 33% then sure, we should raise taxes but also do the other things FDR did like cut spending on his “new deal” programs.
But be honest, you care little about paying for it or the troops. You just want Socialism.
Hey Steve, I think your tinfoil hat is on a bit tight. Might want to loosen it a bit.
Geez….
Philly Steve: Seems you are sputtering more than usual… hoping to filibuster so that no one realizes how WRONG YOU ARE?
Again, you’re your own worst enemy pal.
Any sense you MIGHT have is lost in that sea of bile and moonbattery!
P.S. Robert: Still pasting bumper stickers? For shame!
Re: “You lefties always want to raise taxes, doesn’t matter the reason, you want it raised and redistributed. ”
Please tell me where I said I wanted to raise taxes. Otherwise you lied when you said I did.
Your hopeless man….just hopeless.
Re: “Your hopeless man….just hopeless.”
Shall I take that as an admission that you cannot document such a statement on my part?
In which case you did lie when you made your original assertion that I wanted to raise taxes.
Scott McClellan and his publisher brought up an interesting subject. What did the President know and when did he know it?
McClellan did not have to drag Bush into the story of perjury and obstruction of justice. When Bush commutted Libby’s sentence, the story had died on the vine. Libby had been an effective firewall for Cheney… but who had pointed at Bush?
In court, the US Attorney claimed it was (only) the “Office of the Vice President that had a cloud over it”, US Attorney Fitzgerald made no claim about clouds over the Oval Office. You can bet that if Scottie had worked in the CIA, that sentence would have been redacted from his novel.
The fact remains, our current CIA Director says Plame was a covert CIA agent. We know Armitage, Rove, Libby and Fleisher leaked the identity of Plame to Novak, Cooper, Miller, Woodward and other reporters. We know that Cheney told Libby and we know that Cheney claimed to have power to declassify information like the NIE or Plame’s identity under Bush’s Executive Order. It seems like a real possibility that Cheney too may have positioned himself to be a firewall for Bush using an issue that would call into question Bush’s authority under the Constitution, which makes it an effective firewall issue.
Bush is a cancer on the American politic. He does not care to govern he cares to wield power. He is not a conservative he is radical. Many of his policies have harmed our great nation, not helped it. He has emptied the treasury, prosecuted an aggressive war on false pretenses, and turned policy to benefit the few at the expense of the many. He has ignored and violated the law rather than amend it, diminished the Constitution in word and in action and has an almost fanatical devotion to democracy even when its outcome will predictably harm American interests. Bush is an ideologue of the first order, fed by his profound lack of curiosity and enormous ego. Never has America endured such an incompetent chief executive.
Philly Steve: I’ve documented examples of your moonbattery above. Not surprisingly, you dismissed them.
Curts’ right… You’re hopeless! Not only hopeless but a fool as well.
Neil:
Educate yourself before using words like “fact.”
This might help:
http://www.digenovatoensing.com/amicibrief032305.pdf
The IIPA was NOT violated. Read and learn. No one was ever charged for violating it.
Get over it.
No crime here except your willful ignorance.
?
Who?
The International Intellectual Property Alliance?
The International Institute of Predictive Astrology?
The Institute of Incorporated Public Accountants?
The International Index to Performing Arts?
The International Institute of Photographic Arts?
The International Iridology Practitioners Association?
Your link was to the court case involvinb Judith Miller, she who, when confronted with documentation tht she had published lies told to her by VP Dick Cheney’s office replied that “it was nother job to check fact, only publish what she was told”. Which only confirmed what I have said about the NY Times being the handmaiden of the Bush Administration.
In addition to the links cited above this comment will add to the documentation of how Philly Steve is WRONG AGAIN!
Steve: See page 20 of the PDF:
http://www.digenovatoensing.com/amicibrief032305.pdf
Under Table of Contents Argument B “There is ample evidence on the public record to cast considerable doubt that a crime has been committeed” see page 5 (PDF page 28)
Obviously, none of your moonbat web sites have bothered to inform you about the nature of the Intelligence Identity Protection Act.
Again, the only crime here is your willful ignorance. It’s a shame we can’t prosecute you for participating in the fraud committed against the American people by you, your lefty pals and Plame Wilson.
Give it up Mike, like I said…the man is hopeless. He’s lost in his BDS and wallows in his ignorance and hate.
He is kinda funny tho, a perfect illustration of the typical BDS nimrod we have running around on the left.
So Curt and Mike REALLY couldn’t give a shit about the troops.
(Except, as all good Conservatives, as props.)
Who knew?
(Raise your hands, those of you paying a modicum of attention).