Who Should We Believe about “Radical” Islam: MSA or the Imams?

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Curt has finally convinced me to set up a post.

We all know that Islamofascism Awareness Week is here and witness time and time again from the left and Islamists that this is some racist event by neocons, Zionists, crusaders, etc. This line of “reason” usually quickly degenerates into anti-Semitic rants and calls for censorship from the same “enlightened” and “tolerant” leftists and Islamic appeasers/supporters.

Take the responses in the following article.

To counteract the movement, MSA is hosting a “Peace not Prejudice” seminar series during the next two weeks that will feature several professors of Middle Eastern studies and Muslim civil rights advocates.

“Labeling an entire religion as fascist is offensive, inaccurate and inappropriate since it conveys a faulty image of more than a thousand Muslims at Penn State, and a billion Muslims around the world,” the MSA statement reads.

Odd…. Take the same words and apply them to Islam and the left’s attacks on Christianity and Judaism. I do not see the left standing up to defend Christian and Jewish faiths and I suspect I never will. I also notice the paper did not give any statements from the conservative side. Standard fair for college “news”. Actually researching who the MSA is (see below) is enough to rebuke their statements.

However, there is a deeper aspect to this. Who is conveying “a faulty image of more than a thousand Muslims at Penn State, and a billion Muslims around the world?” Actions scream louder than “taqqiyah” (Arabic for “deception” against infidels sanctioned in the Koran) ever could. I know many Islamic people from my time in Iraq. The majority of the ones I know would be classified as “moderate” by Western standards. However, to a large minority, if not majority of other Muslims, they are Apostates (heretics) are more than a few have been killed by “radical Muslims” who tell the world again and again that the “radicals” are the only “true believers” of Islam.

So, do I believe a student at Penn State or the words and actions of Islamic leaders and Muslims, both Shia and Sunni, from around the world? In the age of easy research and lazy journalism, why are more people not simply researching WHAT Islam is doing throughout the world and WHAT the clear and shouted goals of Islam are.

How many even know what comprises Islam? Islam, as I have said before, is far more than just the impossibly self-contradictory Koran. There is also the Sunnah (the “Way” of the Prophet Muhammad), the Sira (“life” of the Prophet), Haddith (“reports” about Muhammad’s life as relayed by Imams). Out of this comes Sharia law and the rules of Islamic governance. It is within all of these that Islam’s true nature takes form. It is here that we learn “Peace” means “full submission/surrender”. So when Bin Laden and Iran’s mad mullahs call for the West to “make peace” with Islam, understand that they, and EVERY Islamic leader before them mean the West must surrender. This has not changed since Islam’s first military expansion into Africa, Asia, and Europe in 622AD. Islam is unchanging. It is frozen in Muhammad’s time. This is by their own laws and interpretations by “mujtahdin”(Islamic Scholars: No new ones recognized since 855 AD). It has 1400 years of Islamic Jurisprudence to back that up. The only “hijackers” of Islam are the moderates who just want to live in peace and watch Western TV.

I can easily cite what these mujtahdin wrote and, to a rational person who understands the above paragraph, researches contemporary actions of Islam, and discovers who the MSA really IS, this should be enough. However, let us look at contemporary actions and observations from The Middle East, Africa, Europe and America if just for enlightenment.

Middle East.

How are Christianity and other religions treated in Islamic nations?

A Christian couple were flogged in Iran for participating in an “underground Church”, an Iranian Christian group said in a report on its website earlier this week.

The unnamed couple were arrested on September 21, 2005, the report said, adding that a Revolutionary Court reviewed their case in July 2007.

Where is Amnesty International? Where is the ACLU? Where are the so-called human rights groups? Oh, that’s right, they are out trying to silence those of us pointing out and standing against these REAL atrocities by an Islam state.

But it is not just the Middle East. Here is one from Africa.

One man has been killed with a sword and another bludgeoned to death in this city in central northern Nigeria following Muslim leaders’ appeal to wage violent jihad against youthful Christians.

Elder Saidu Dogo, secretary of the northern Nigeria chapter of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), told Compass that Islamic leader Sheik Gumi had urged Muslims to wage jihad against Christians during Tafsir, the reading and interpretation of the Quran, in televised broadcasts during the Islamic month-long observance of Ramadan.

“I saw Sheik Gumi on the television, NTA [Nigeria Television Authority], during that period preaching this inciting sermon — in fact, the same sermon was again broadcast by NTA Kaduna, on September 21 and 22,” Dogo told Compass. “He specifically called for a jihad, and that when they go killing they should not kill the elderly people, because the elderly have spent their years already, but that Muslims should kill young Christians.”

“With these kinds of statements coming from Muslim leaders, why would the followers of Islam not attack Christians?” Dogo asked. “We believe that the killing of Henry Ogbaje and Basil are the result of such sermons of these Muslim leaders.”

And I ask who should we believe about Islam; a Penn State student or multiple Islamic leaders?

Again, where are all of these “progressive” human rights groups? Or does oppression not count in the millions of instances world-wide where an Islamic cleric calls for a military jihad and Christians and/or Jews are killed?

There is story after story after story on what Islam is actually DOING around the world. Most of it never reaches the major “news” networks and much that is reported is so buried in spin that it is difficult to decipher.

Now for the 300m Target: Europe

From 2006 Brussels Journal On warnings of a coming islamization of Europe and why the left is so unwilling to fight it.

Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not willing to oppose islamization. “The dominant ethos,” he told De Volkskrant, “is perfectly voiced by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I recently debated. She said that it is sometimes better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes better to avoid fighting than run the risk of death.”

In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels newspaper De Standaard (23 October) the Dutch (gay and self-declared “humanist”) author Oscar Van den Boogaard refers to Broder’s interview. Van den Boogaard says that to him coping with the islamization of Europe is like “a process of mourning.” He is overwhelmed by a “feeling of sadness.” “I am not a warrior,” he says, “but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.”

Think about that last line from the progressive. “I am not a warrior,” he says, “but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.” This may sum up one reason the left is “allied” with these Islamic supremacy movements: They are too afraid to resist. I doubt it is the full reason, but it may be part of the reason.

People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone must submit.

This is why they have come to hate Israel and America so much, and the small band of European “islamophobes” who dare to talk about what they see happening around them. West Europeans have to choose between submission (islam) or death. I fear, like Broder, that they have chosen submission — just like in former days when they preferred to be red rather than dead.

But that’s not all. Some nations are fighting back, even if their governments lost the will to fight.

Even the Russian People know who their real enemy is, and it is not ABM systems pointed at Iran.

It is interesting to note from the story that Russia is facing IEDs and attacks daily in its republics. The website will not allow a copy paste, but the read is interesting in connecting dots.

From Spain:

A Spanish judge indicted 22 suspected Islamic terrorists Tuesday, charging them with recruiting and sending fighters to Iraq, including one who killed Italian troops there in a suicide attack in 2003, according to a copy of the indictment viewed by CNN.

Six suspected Islamic militants were Wednesday arrested in northern Spain on suspicion of using the Internet to recruit for and plot a ‘world jihad,’ a Ministry of Interior statement said.

From Belgium

Europe’s no-go zones or SUAs (“sensitive urban areas”) are multiplying. These are areas where the police no longer dares to venture and where Islamists hold sway. Every night since the beginning of last week, immigrant youths have been torching cars and clashing with police in Amsterdam’s Slotervaart district. The incidents started on Oct. 14 when a policewoman shot dead Bilal Bajaka, a 22-year old ethnic Moroccan, whilst he was stabbing her and a colleague with a knife. The officers were stabbed in the breast, face, neck and back. Surgeons could only narrowly save their lives.

Since the incident, Slotervaart has seen rioting almost every night. The Amsterdam Moroccans are  “shocked” because one of them has been killed by an infidel woman. According to his family, Bilal Bajaka was mentally deranged and had a suicide obsession. Ahmed Marcouch, the Moroccan-born Socialist mayor of Slotervaart, criticized the Dutch authorities for failing to provide adequate health care for Bajaka’s mental problems.

Notice the leftist response: It’s the government’s fault for not taking care of so-and-so’s “mental problems”. But who was Bajaka?

Bilal Bajaka was, however, a personal friend of Mohammed Bouyeri, the Jihadist who ritually slaughtered the Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh in 2004. Bilal’s attack on the two police officers came exactly two years after the arrest of his brother, Abdullah Bajaka, the leader of an alleged plot to blow up an El-Al Boeing at Amsterdam airport. Bilal’s family background is not at all deprived. One of his sisters is a medical doctor, another sister is a Dutch judge.

Oh, so he had family who are doctors and judges? Why did they not take care of him and why are they not standing up for Dutch law? Or are they standing with Bouyeri instead.

Again, why should I believe a taqqiyah spewing MSA student at Penn State and not the clear actions I see above? Again, WHERE WAS THE LEFT when Theo van Gogh, hardly a conservative, was slaughtered for making a movie critical of Islam’s oppression of women?

I can go on and on about Europe. I can point out what is happening throughout the UK, the fact anti-islamization politicians have to live in hiding with body guards, and display what the Muslims in Europe with shirts saying “Eurabia 2025” and their Imams are actually saying.

But let us hit the 50 meter target: America

I live near Detroit, Michigan. We get our share of Islam in our face too.

Sterling Heights police Detective Sgt. Paul Jesperson said three separate complaints were filed by residents Tuesday who found the fliers on their windshields.

He said the flier said: “Kill Jews and Christians if they don’t believe in Allah and Mohammad.”

It further advises people to “Fight those who do not believe.”

“I really don’t know what it means other than suggesting violence to Jews and Christians,” Jesperson said. “We certainly have no intentions of stifling someone’s religious beliefs but it is most certainly a violation of the law if you’re condoning violence with this hate literature.”

No kidding? Really? Does the student group have an answer for this? Or will we just get more deception? I am kind of wondering as this was 8 miles from my house.

But wait, there’s more!!!!

Zorkot, a third-year medical student at Wayne State University, was allegedly armed with an AK-47 assault rifle and dressed in black clothing with camouflage paint covering his face when he was arrested Saturday in Hemlock Park.

Zorkot’s websites are full of Jihad links and calls for the destruction of the West.

Does MSA have an answer for this? Again, the whole point of this week’s events are to point out what is NOT being reported on the news and maybe, just maybe make Islam take a look at itself and realize IT is the problem, not the rest of the world. However, honest introspection has never been a point in Islamic history. Considering what MSA really is, I doubt they think jihad and the destruction of the West is a problem. But they will not tell the media that and the “journalists” will not investigate them.

Also, for those who have gotten tired of reading at this point: This man was studying to be a DOCTOR!!!!!! He was not some unemployed, illiterate mush-for-brains conned into doing this.

Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ”Death to America” and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.

Police quickly arrested Ahmad, 22, whose mother says is mentally ill and had recently been in a mental institution. The FBI charged him Monday with assaulting a U.S. government employee.

Ahmad is in his first year teaching math at Miami Central High, 1781 NW 95th St.

Ok, anyone see something wrong with the last two parts? Mentally ill and a teacher!! Wait. Where else did we see the mental illness excuse? Hmmm…. How closely have you been reading?

Some reading on the MSA.

People need to look VERY closely at the MSA and its allies (MSA is a member of ANSWER).

So, who should we believe about Islam? Should we believe the Muslim Student Association (founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood)? Or should we believe our own experiences and the experiences of those who suffer under the reality of Islam’s latest war for global supremacy?

I, for one, will believe both. I believe MSA when the cameras are not on them (read the research on them and follow the cross link within it) and I believe terrorists like Zorkot whose website has this picture:

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Wow, ChrisG, great post!

Thanks,

Curt did the formatting as I am new to this Blog’s posting program.

Nice one Chris!

While there were many really good lines, and a LOT of good links…my favorite:

“But let us hit the 50 meter target: America”

the metaphor is a center ring

btw, I’ve many friends from the area surrounding D’Troit. My wife’s from N end of Toledo too. Very familiar with your concerns.

Absolutely excellent post, ChrisG. Absolutely excellent. I am passing this around to everyone on my e-mail list tomorrow. You hit on all the major points that I can never seem to present as eloquently as you do when I am trying to debate people on this topic.

Also, I live in Garden City (suburb of Detroit) and work in Dearborn (the heart of Hezb’Allah support). That park was very close to where I work. You combine that nut with the D.C. snipers who were also inspired by Islamic jihadist teachings and the many, many instances of “Sudden Jihad Syndrome” and this is a HUGE problem. I get tired of reading all the apologists for Islam and people trotting out all the “moderate” Muslims claiming that there are no problems in Islam and yadda yadda yadda.

As you properly note here…

Islam, as I have said before, is far more than just the impossibly self-contradictory Koran. There is also the Sunnah (the “Way” of the Prophet Muhammad), the Sira (“life” of the Prophet), Haddith (“reports” about Muhammad’s life as relayed by Imams). Out of this comes Sharia law and the rules of Islamic governance. It is within all of these that Islam’s true nature takes form. It is here that we learn “Peace” means “full submission/surrender”. So when Bin Laden and Iran’s mad mullahs call for the West to “make peace” with Islam, understand that they, and EVERY Islamic leader before them mean the West must surrender. This has not changed since Islam’s first military expansion into Africa, Asia, and Europe in 622AD. Islam is unchanging. It is frozen in Muhammad’s time. This is by their own laws and interpretations by “mujtahdin”(Islamic Scholars: No new ones recognized since 855 AD). It has 1400 years of Islamic Jurisprudence to back that up. The only “hijackers” of Islam are the moderates who just want to live in peace and watch Western TV.

…what the apologists keep claiming is ‘radical’ Islam is actually just plain old Islam. It has been this way from the beginning and the terrorists are on solid ground, while it is the moderates who are not on solid ground in their interpretations.

I want to read through this again as it is excellent. I also look forward to see what Wordsmith and Amy Proctor may have to say, because it is pretty obvious to me that they do not share your (and my) views on this issue.

Again, absolutely excellent post. I am very glad Curt encouraged you to post this. Just another great post in a long tradition of great research and reporting here at Flopping Aces. Why you all are not more mainstream in the blogosphere and milblogosphere, I don’t know. But I am doing my best to spread the word about your great work. Keep it up, gentlemen.

Also, I should add that something that irritates me is the fact that in addition to all the Islamic jihadist inspired nuts we have running around committing “Sudden Jihad Syndrome” (DC snipers, the nut in the Dearborn park, etc), we have the mass media and the local and national governments doing everything they can to either cover up the news (as the local media and mayor of Dearborn did here) or spin it furiously as having nothing to do with Islam. It is criminal the lengths people go to in order to cover for these Islamic based happenings. I bet 90% of the nation has no idea that the D.C. snipers were inspired by Islam. And I read that the local media went out of their way to cover up the fact that the head sniper had an Islamic name and used his previous name in the reporting when they were still on the loose.

What this tells me is that no one is serious about addressing the core problems with Islam itself. Not addressing it will not make it go away.

Also, the lack of reporting and coverup was evident with the France intifada that happened last year and now this year with the Dutch intifada. Those stories were HUGE news stories that should have been broadcasted around the world and Islamic leaders should have been peppered with media attention just as the Catholic Chuch was peppered with media attention after the pedophile priest scandal. But the double standard is obvious. And enraging.

I knew my patience and constant badgering would get results =).

A most excellent post Chris on a subject you definitely know a lot about.

Btw, I found this link at FR. Quite relevant.

Wow, Curt, that warning to the West was given in 2002! We are now in 2007 and that warning was obviously unheeded. It is absolutely pathetic that we are 6 years removed from Islamic Totalitarianism reaching the shores of the United States and we have seen for the past 6 years the expansion of Islamic Totalitarianism in Britain/London, France and all over Europe and yet, still, people seem to not want to discuss the fact that the problem is Islam.

I understand that David Horowitz did not get very good reviews from his speech the other day at the Islamofascism Awareness Week presentations. I cannot say that I blame him for being discourteous and agressive and frustrated, as I feel the same way. There are times when talking to people about this topic that I just want to reply to them in the same way that he did at his speech with “Are you an effin idiot? How effin ignorant can you be? Have you been paying attention at ALL? Have you done ANY research into Islam?” And I know that doesn’t help get the message across, but it is how I feel these days.

It is extremely frustrating. Which is why I am so glad to read this post by Chris. He addresses this issue much more eloquently than me and I am very grateful we have people such as him who can present the matter in this manner.

I just hope people will wake up and understand the issue as he presents it here and as it was presented in that 2002 article to which you linked. Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening.

Michael,

You give me far too much credit. I yell and scream from the top of the mountain and like the Linkin Park song: “Tried to give you warning but everyone ignores me. Told you everything loud and clear but nobody’s listening”.

Sorry, I like that song. It should be the anthem of those who are trying to expose what Islamic “radicals” are actually doing and the reaction we get.

Amy and Wordsmith have different views on this but I actually had the same view going into Iraq. The “moderates” I worked with there are really nice people who do want real (Western style) peace and want us all to come back and visit as tourists. The problem is that those sentiments are NOT what a very powerful near majority of “Muslims” want. These Muslims are backed up by a lot of financing and firepower.

The bottom line is that the “moderates” have to come together and crush the “radicals”. Then these moderates have to radically change Islam so that it adheres to the more passive chapters of the Koran and moves into the present.

I used “Muslims” in quotes because Muslim is a title given within Islam to people who are devout. So, it begs the question above. Who are “Muslim”, the “moderates” or the “radicals”.

Curt,

The link says it all, though I doubt Kos, DU, or any one the left read Newsmax.

“What we have is a failure to communicate”… the meaning of terms.

One term is “Peace”: What is “peace” in Islam is NOT “peace” by western standards, it is submission and slavery. I for one do not wish to submit.

“People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone must submit.”

It amazes me that the fire-breathing leftists radicals who are sooooo “brave” to attack military recruiters, Christians, Jews, and anyone who rejects socialism are COWARDS when faced with an opponent (Islam) that simply beheads them when they protest. Jews, Christians, Conservatives, and the US Military will not round them up and slaughter them. If MSA was honest, they would tell the left exactly how Islamofascists will kill them.

It is not like this is difficult to research. All one needs to do is go to Palistine Media Watch, MEM-RI and MEM-RITV, Jihad Watch, and a multitude of other websites to find out. Also, picking up a book written before the left’s historical revision about the Crusades will be very enlightening. The Crusades did not start until Islam had slaughtered and pillaged its way from Christian Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, North Africa, Hungary, Spain, etc all the way up to Vienna, Tours (France), and Vatican City.

It was not until the Battle of Tours that forces under Charles Martel halted the advance. The West has forgotten its history and replaced it with lies and self hate. Islam remembers the Battle of Tours (ended Oct 10th, 732AD). Islam remembers dates and uses the Gregorian calender to mark them. Islamofascists use these dates to plan reprisal attacks.

http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Europe/05/culp/index.html

Ok… My home computer tries to use Type Key for posts so I show up as blank.

Scott,

I was waiting to see who would get the BRM references.

That’s a great song, Chris. I like Linkin Park as well and that song of theirs fits perfectly here.

We _are_ at war…both home and abroad.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23020

Suek,

Read the article and agree. I asked above where the ACLU was and your link pointed it out clearly. The “separation fo church and state” ACLU is fully in bed with the islamofascists.

Anything that will destroy the country, the ACLU is _for_.

Muslims Against Sharia congratulate David Horowitz FREEDOM CENTER and Mike Adams, Tammy Bruce, Phyllis Chesler, Ann Coulter, Nonie Darwish, Greg Davis, Stephen Gale, David Horowitz, Joe Kaufman, Michael Ledeen, Michael Medved, Alan Nathan, Cyrus Nowrasteh, Daphne Patai, Daniel Pipes, Dennis Prager, Luana Saghieh, Rick Santorum, Jonathan Schanzer, Christina Sommers, Robert Spencer, Brian Sussman, Ed Turzanski, Ibn Warraq and other speakers on the success of the Islamofascism Awareness Week.

Islamofascism (or Islamism) is the main threat facing modern civilization and ignorance about this threat is astounding. We hope that this event becomes regular and reaches every campus.

A great many Westerners do not see the clear distinction between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism). They need to understand that the difference between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism) is the same as the difference between Christianity and Christian Identity Movement (White Supremacy Movement).

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Muslims Against Sharia,

I have seen your posts on Jihad Watch and seen your website. You are fighting an uphill battle against a very well armed, well funded, and fanatical foe: Militant Wahbahist Islam (on the Sunni side) and Maadi doom’s day/end of days prophets (on the Shia side). Mix into this several other jihad preaching, violent Imams and well, you have an uphill battle.

I have to laugh at the leftist (Blueduck) who posted on your site. His ignorance bleeds through every word he types. The left FULLY supports the above mentioned jihadists and ACTIVELY seeks to assist them.

Good luck and stay safe. My experience in Iraq indicates these jihadists will gleefully kill “apostates” as enthusiastically as they kill “kuffer”. I can only imagine the death threats and other insults you get from “Muslim” websites.

ChrisG,

You are absolutely right. We even made a DHS-type table to reflect the threat level.

http://www.reformislam.org/images/levels.gif

Very nicely done. That would be a funny picture…. except for you and those who stand with you, the consequences are deadly.

Please stay safe and keep up your fight so that those of us who are not Islamic will never have to ask the question I posed above.