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scrapiron
16 years ago
The dimorats sure know how to put the ‘Dim’ before the rat. Todays congressional hearing is worse than a poorly directed circus. Listening to these dimocrats should make America puke. It starts with an accidential??? mike problem and continues with interuptions by the idiots from code pink. What a dozen massive overweight ugly women? I guess in the circus they would be the baboons sticking they’re fingers up their butt and licking it off. Maybe the democrats just have their Chinese bagman ‘Hsu’ on the wrong foot. and it hurts.
David
16 years ago
Unfortunately, today’s hearing went as expected … a three-ring circus, with more rings added for effect. And, of course, as always, the MSM only wanted to “report” what it wanted to report.
The best part – the Dems being bitterly disappointed that significant progress is being made.
thebronze
16 years ago
DemocRats are traitors.
David
16 years ago
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich, in a copy of a prepared speech at the American Enterprise Institute, said the Petraeus Report is “wholly inadequate.”
If the report is “wholly inadequate,” what does the former speaker want? By winning the Iraq war, AQ loses. Also, Hamas and Hezbollah will begin to lose their influence and that of their state sponsor, Iran.
Gingrich is engaging in the same kind of second guessing from the sidelines.
markustee
16 years ago
I was pleased to read the positive things in the General’s report. They were as was expected, of course; there is no way in today’s media rich environment to pull off any surprises in a report like this. His report was encouraging, and anyone that says otherwise is not truly an American.
Logically, however, one must define first was is “progress”, what is “good”, and what is “improvement”. In my view, and I don’t think I am alone, all three of these terms must be defined in terms of developing a stable government in Iraq that is actively opposed to the activity of terrorism, regardless of its source.
The purpose of the military involvement is to provide a measure of stability for that government to form. They have done so admirably, and for that, we have what can be counted no less than a superb military success. However, the other part of the equation is the development of that government, which requires an even greater effort and desire on the part of the Iraqi leaders and people. That effort, by the Iraqis, has failed utterly. We must therefore examine the Iraqi resolve to form that government. What I am seeing is leadership consisting of a corrupt gaggle of political geese, eager to line their own pockets, and anxious for the United States to give them more time to do so. I do not see the spirit of patriotism in Iraq that compares to that in the United States prior to 1776, and as is required to form such a government. While there are some Iraqis that desire freedom, there are not enough. Most Iraqis still believe it is OK – even good – to kill Americans.
In view of that, our objective cannot succeed, and it is not in our power or control to make it do so. Therefore, we must leave Iraq to the natural consequences of their own cowardice. This is politically a terrible alternative, although any other alternative is worse. We need to come to grips with the fact that Iraq, when we leave, will fall to Iran or other fascist and terroristic groups, unless the Iraqis can find a leader of their own people to galvanize Iraq to defend itself. If no leader is found, when we leave, we must be ready to defend ourselves against that terrorism, which will probably mean destruction of innocent Iraqis en masse.
It is a horrible dilemma, but destruction is the price of cowardice. The United States -which is defined by its citizens – does not wish to be an Imperial nation, governing the earth. In truth, our fathers left European and Asian soil to build a free nation because there was no place in the old world that such a nation could be built. Cowardice stayed in place, and while it is still there, no freedom can exist for long. We watch Europe totter on the brink of socialism and disaster, while the extreme left tries to do the same to our nation. Our domestic enemies are as dangerous as our foreign ones.
General Petreus, I salute your valiant effort in the cause of defending freedom. Military men and women, I salute you as well, with great gratitude for your sacrifice, dedication, and patriotism. President Bush, you have attempted a great feat, but the Iraqis have left you without recourse. I salute your desire, but you must look at this realistically, and soon. Please do not leave it to your successor.
To the next President and Congress – you must be up to the task. We will have to leave, whether sooner or later, and it appears that President Bush will not see it soon enough to spare you the burden of making this decision. Sooner will mean more Iraqi deaths. Later will mean more American deaths. The scale is not equal, many times as many Iraqis will die as Americans in either case. Remember that you are the American government, and your responsibility is to the American people, not to the world. The political toll will be tremendous – for many will die, and those who consider themselves citizens of the world rather than Americans will hate you, and they are many in this nation. You cannot prevent that. Your task is formidable, and near history will not see you favorably in either case. You must look far into the future for your vindication. You will be vindicated only if America and freedom survive. If tyranny becomes our way of life, you will be hated if you do what is right, and sainted by the tyrants for succumbing to cowardice. Remember who will judge you, and take courage. This life is short.
To the American people – we must become a fierce and feared people to survive. We must become feared far and wide. We must not submit to the tyranny of socialism or the tyranny of Islam. Our freedom is at stake. Those that would deceive you into thinking that we can trust government to take care of us would rob you of your freedom. Look for a leader that will be courageous and demand the same of you, that would depend on you to stand on your own two feet, to look the enemy in the eye, and to defeat the enemy where you stand. We have no demigods to lead us, only men – weak, fallible, and easily killed, but some have courage. There is only one God, trust in Him, and stand courageously behind a courageous leader. America, to remain America the Beautiful, home of the Free and land of the Brave, will in all likelihood have to become America the Terrible to the rest of the world – for freedom is not without cost. Slavery is free; Freedom is costly.
markustee
16 years ago
I was pleased to read the positive things in General Petreus’ report. They were as was expected, of course; there is no way in today’s media rich environment to pull off any surprises in a report like this. His report was encouraging, and anyone that says otherwise is not truly an American.
Logically, however, one must define first was is “progress”, what is “good”, and what is “improvement”. In my view, and I don’t think I am alone, all three of these terms must be defined in terms of developing a stable government in Iraq that is actively opposed to the activity of terrorism, regardless of its source.
The purpose of the military involvement is to provide a measure of stability for that government to form. They have done so admirably, and for that, we have what can be counted no less than a superb military success. However, the other part of the equation is the development of that government, which requires an even greater effort and desire on the part of the Iraqi leaders and people. That effort, by the Iraqis, has failed utterly. We must therefore examine the Iraqi resolve to form that government. What I am seeing is leadership consisting of a corrupt gaggle of political geese, eager to line their own pockets, and anxious for the United States to give them more time to do so. I do not see the spirit of patriotism in Iraq that compares to that in the United States prior to 1776, and as is required to form such a government. While there are some Iraqis that desire freedom, there are not enough. Most Iraqis still believe it is OK – even good – to kill Americans.
In view of that, our objective cannot succeed, and it is not in our power or control to make it do so. Therefore, we must leave Iraq to the natural consequences of their own cowardice. This is politically a terrible alternative, although any other alternative is worse. We need to come to grips with the fact that Iraq, when we leave, will fall to Iran or other fascist and terroristic groups, unless the Iraqis can find a leader of their own people to galvanize Iraq to defend itself. If no leader is found, when we leave, we must be ready to defend ourselves against that terrorism, which will probably mean destruction of innocent Iraqis en masse.
It is a horrible dilemma, but destruction is the price of cowardice. The United States -which is defined by its citizens – does not wish to be an Imperial nation, governing the earth. In truth, our fathers left European and Asian soil to build a free nation because there was no place in the old world that such a nation could be built. Cowardice stayed in place, and while it is still there, no freedom can exist for long. We watch Europe totter on the brink of socialism and disaster, while the extreme left tries to do the same to our nation. Our domestic enemies are as dangerous as our foreign ones.
General Petreus, I salute your valiant effort in the cause of defending freedom. Military men and women, I salute you as well, with great gratitude for your sacrifice, dedication, and patriotism. President Bush, you have attempted a great feat, but the Iraqis have left you without recourse. I salute your desire, but you must look at this realistically, and soon. Please do not leave it to your successor.
To the next President and Congress – you must be up to the task. We will have to leave, whether sooner or later, and it appears that President Bush will not see it soon enough to spare you the burden of making this decision. Sooner will mean more Iraqi deaths. Later will mean more American deaths. The scale is not equal, many times as many Iraqis will die as Americans in either case. Remember that you are the American government, and your responsibility is to the American people, not to the world. The political toll will be tremendous – for many will die, and those who consider themselves citizens of the world rather than Americans will hate you, and they are many in this nation. You cannot prevent that. Your task is formidable, and near history will not see you favorably in either case. You must look far into the future for your vindication. You will be vindicated only if America and freedom survive. If tyranny becomes our way of life, you will be hated if you do what is right, and sainted by the tyrants for succumbing to cowardice. Remember who will judge you, and take courage. This life is short.
To the American people – we must become a fierce and feared people to survive. We must become feared far and wide. We must not submit to the tyranny of socialism or the tyranny of Islam. Our freedom is at stake. Those that would deceive you into thinking that we can trust government to take care of us would rob you of your freedom. Look for a leader that will be courageous and demand the same of you, that would depend on you to stand on your own two feet, to look the enemy in the eye, and to defeat the enemy where you stand. We have no demigods to lead us, only men – weak, fallible, and easily killed, but some have courage. There is only one God, trust in Him, and stand courageously behind a courageous leader. America, to remain America the Beautiful, home of the Free and land of the Brave, will in all likelihood have to become America the Terrible to the rest of the world – for freedom is not without cost. Slavery is free; Freedom is costly.
Good grief! All those words when what you really said was “get out of Iraq now and damn the consequences.”
As I have pointed out to countless others, no great goal is easily achieveable and few small goals matter much.
You point to the patriotic fervor of our own Revolutionary period but perhaps fail to realize that more than half the country was either opposed or indifferent to independence. And it took decades to establish a proper governing framework. Even then there was that little matter of a Civil War 80 years into our experiment in democracy.
It boggles my mind that somehow we should expect more from the Iraqis than the pace of our own history.
Markustee: You spent a great many words erecting a rhetorical edifice upon flawed premises. I suggest you rethink your viewpoint within the context of history and PLEASE try and keep it brief!
The dimorats sure know how to put the ‘Dim’ before the rat. Todays congressional hearing is worse than a poorly directed circus. Listening to these dimocrats should make America puke. It starts with an accidential??? mike problem and continues with interuptions by the idiots from code pink. What a dozen massive overweight ugly women? I guess in the circus they would be the baboons sticking they’re fingers up their butt and licking it off. Maybe the democrats just have their Chinese bagman ‘Hsu’ on the wrong foot. and it hurts.
Unfortunately, today’s hearing went as expected … a three-ring circus, with more rings added for effect. And, of course, as always, the MSM only wanted to “report” what it wanted to report.
The best part – the Dems being bitterly disappointed that significant progress is being made.
DemocRats are traitors.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich, in a copy of a prepared speech at the American Enterprise Institute, said the Petraeus Report is “wholly inadequate.”
The article referencing Gingrich’s remarks may be found here: http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Gingrich_Iraq/2007/09/11/31693.html.
If the report is “wholly inadequate,” what does the former speaker want? By winning the Iraq war, AQ loses. Also, Hamas and Hezbollah will begin to lose their influence and that of their state sponsor, Iran.
Gingrich is engaging in the same kind of second guessing from the sidelines.
I was pleased to read the positive things in the General’s report. They were as was expected, of course; there is no way in today’s media rich environment to pull off any surprises in a report like this. His report was encouraging, and anyone that says otherwise is not truly an American.
Logically, however, one must define first was is “progress”, what is “good”, and what is “improvement”. In my view, and I don’t think I am alone, all three of these terms must be defined in terms of developing a stable government in Iraq that is actively opposed to the activity of terrorism, regardless of its source.
The purpose of the military involvement is to provide a measure of stability for that government to form. They have done so admirably, and for that, we have what can be counted no less than a superb military success. However, the other part of the equation is the development of that government, which requires an even greater effort and desire on the part of the Iraqi leaders and people. That effort, by the Iraqis, has failed utterly. We must therefore examine the Iraqi resolve to form that government. What I am seeing is leadership consisting of a corrupt gaggle of political geese, eager to line their own pockets, and anxious for the United States to give them more time to do so. I do not see the spirit of patriotism in Iraq that compares to that in the United States prior to 1776, and as is required to form such a government. While there are some Iraqis that desire freedom, there are not enough. Most Iraqis still believe it is OK – even good – to kill Americans.
In view of that, our objective cannot succeed, and it is not in our power or control to make it do so. Therefore, we must leave Iraq to the natural consequences of their own cowardice. This is politically a terrible alternative, although any other alternative is worse. We need to come to grips with the fact that Iraq, when we leave, will fall to Iran or other fascist and terroristic groups, unless the Iraqis can find a leader of their own people to galvanize Iraq to defend itself. If no leader is found, when we leave, we must be ready to defend ourselves against that terrorism, which will probably mean destruction of innocent Iraqis en masse.
It is a horrible dilemma, but destruction is the price of cowardice. The United States -which is defined by its citizens – does not wish to be an Imperial nation, governing the earth. In truth, our fathers left European and Asian soil to build a free nation because there was no place in the old world that such a nation could be built. Cowardice stayed in place, and while it is still there, no freedom can exist for long. We watch Europe totter on the brink of socialism and disaster, while the extreme left tries to do the same to our nation. Our domestic enemies are as dangerous as our foreign ones.
General Petreus, I salute your valiant effort in the cause of defending freedom. Military men and women, I salute you as well, with great gratitude for your sacrifice, dedication, and patriotism. President Bush, you have attempted a great feat, but the Iraqis have left you without recourse. I salute your desire, but you must look at this realistically, and soon. Please do not leave it to your successor.
To the next President and Congress – you must be up to the task. We will have to leave, whether sooner or later, and it appears that President Bush will not see it soon enough to spare you the burden of making this decision. Sooner will mean more Iraqi deaths. Later will mean more American deaths. The scale is not equal, many times as many Iraqis will die as Americans in either case. Remember that you are the American government, and your responsibility is to the American people, not to the world. The political toll will be tremendous – for many will die, and those who consider themselves citizens of the world rather than Americans will hate you, and they are many in this nation. You cannot prevent that. Your task is formidable, and near history will not see you favorably in either case. You must look far into the future for your vindication. You will be vindicated only if America and freedom survive. If tyranny becomes our way of life, you will be hated if you do what is right, and sainted by the tyrants for succumbing to cowardice. Remember who will judge you, and take courage. This life is short.
To the American people – we must become a fierce and feared people to survive. We must become feared far and wide. We must not submit to the tyranny of socialism or the tyranny of Islam. Our freedom is at stake. Those that would deceive you into thinking that we can trust government to take care of us would rob you of your freedom. Look for a leader that will be courageous and demand the same of you, that would depend on you to stand on your own two feet, to look the enemy in the eye, and to defeat the enemy where you stand. We have no demigods to lead us, only men – weak, fallible, and easily killed, but some have courage. There is only one God, trust in Him, and stand courageously behind a courageous leader. America, to remain America the Beautiful, home of the Free and land of the Brave, will in all likelihood have to become America the Terrible to the rest of the world – for freedom is not without cost. Slavery is free; Freedom is costly.
I was pleased to read the positive things in General Petreus’ report. They were as was expected, of course; there is no way in today’s media rich environment to pull off any surprises in a report like this. His report was encouraging, and anyone that says otherwise is not truly an American.
Logically, however, one must define first was is “progress”, what is “good”, and what is “improvement”. In my view, and I don’t think I am alone, all three of these terms must be defined in terms of developing a stable government in Iraq that is actively opposed to the activity of terrorism, regardless of its source.
The purpose of the military involvement is to provide a measure of stability for that government to form. They have done so admirably, and for that, we have what can be counted no less than a superb military success. However, the other part of the equation is the development of that government, which requires an even greater effort and desire on the part of the Iraqi leaders and people. That effort, by the Iraqis, has failed utterly. We must therefore examine the Iraqi resolve to form that government. What I am seeing is leadership consisting of a corrupt gaggle of political geese, eager to line their own pockets, and anxious for the United States to give them more time to do so. I do not see the spirit of patriotism in Iraq that compares to that in the United States prior to 1776, and as is required to form such a government. While there are some Iraqis that desire freedom, there are not enough. Most Iraqis still believe it is OK – even good – to kill Americans.
In view of that, our objective cannot succeed, and it is not in our power or control to make it do so. Therefore, we must leave Iraq to the natural consequences of their own cowardice. This is politically a terrible alternative, although any other alternative is worse. We need to come to grips with the fact that Iraq, when we leave, will fall to Iran or other fascist and terroristic groups, unless the Iraqis can find a leader of their own people to galvanize Iraq to defend itself. If no leader is found, when we leave, we must be ready to defend ourselves against that terrorism, which will probably mean destruction of innocent Iraqis en masse.
It is a horrible dilemma, but destruction is the price of cowardice. The United States -which is defined by its citizens – does not wish to be an Imperial nation, governing the earth. In truth, our fathers left European and Asian soil to build a free nation because there was no place in the old world that such a nation could be built. Cowardice stayed in place, and while it is still there, no freedom can exist for long. We watch Europe totter on the brink of socialism and disaster, while the extreme left tries to do the same to our nation. Our domestic enemies are as dangerous as our foreign ones.
General Petreus, I salute your valiant effort in the cause of defending freedom. Military men and women, I salute you as well, with great gratitude for your sacrifice, dedication, and patriotism. President Bush, you have attempted a great feat, but the Iraqis have left you without recourse. I salute your desire, but you must look at this realistically, and soon. Please do not leave it to your successor.
To the next President and Congress – you must be up to the task. We will have to leave, whether sooner or later, and it appears that President Bush will not see it soon enough to spare you the burden of making this decision. Sooner will mean more Iraqi deaths. Later will mean more American deaths. The scale is not equal, many times as many Iraqis will die as Americans in either case. Remember that you are the American government, and your responsibility is to the American people, not to the world. The political toll will be tremendous – for many will die, and those who consider themselves citizens of the world rather than Americans will hate you, and they are many in this nation. You cannot prevent that. Your task is formidable, and near history will not see you favorably in either case. You must look far into the future for your vindication. You will be vindicated only if America and freedom survive. If tyranny becomes our way of life, you will be hated if you do what is right, and sainted by the tyrants for succumbing to cowardice. Remember who will judge you, and take courage. This life is short.
To the American people – we must become a fierce and feared people to survive. We must become feared far and wide. We must not submit to the tyranny of socialism or the tyranny of Islam. Our freedom is at stake. Those that would deceive you into thinking that we can trust government to take care of us would rob you of your freedom. Look for a leader that will be courageous and demand the same of you, that would depend on you to stand on your own two feet, to look the enemy in the eye, and to defeat the enemy where you stand. We have no demigods to lead us, only men – weak, fallible, and easily killed, but some have courage. There is only one God, trust in Him, and stand courageously behind a courageous leader. America, to remain America the Beautiful, home of the Free and land of the Brave, will in all likelihood have to become America the Terrible to the rest of the world – for freedom is not without cost. Slavery is free; Freedom is costly.
Good grief! All those words when what you really said was “get out of Iraq now and damn the consequences.”
As I have pointed out to countless others, no great goal is easily achieveable and few small goals matter much.
You point to the patriotic fervor of our own Revolutionary period but perhaps fail to realize that more than half the country was either opposed or indifferent to independence. And it took decades to establish a proper governing framework. Even then there was that little matter of a Civil War 80 years into our experiment in democracy.
It boggles my mind that somehow we should expect more from the Iraqis than the pace of our own history.
Markustee: You spent a great many words erecting a rhetorical edifice upon flawed premises. I suggest you rethink your viewpoint within the context of history and PLEASE try and keep it brief!