The Florida 7


The lead attorney for the Government announced that the 7 arrested in Florida recently were in the infancy stages of forming a terrorist cell:

A plan hatched by seven men to blow up Chicago’s Sears Tower and other buildings was “more aspirational than operational,” FBI officials said.

The group of men, who were arrested Thursday when authorities busted their alleged hide-out in a Miami warehouse, had no explosives and lacked adequate funding. Their only link to al-Qaida was through an FBI informant fronting as a member of the terrorist group, authorities said Friday.

But U.S. Attorney R. Alexander Acosta said it was exactly the right time to dismantle the group, before it was able to execute a plan that one member said he hoped would be “as good or greater than 9/11.”

“You want to go and disrupt cells like this before they acquire the means to accomplish their goals,” Acosta said.

He is 100% correct that we need to capture these kind of guys long before they set their plans in motion.

Five of the defendants, including alleged ringleader Narseal Batiste, appeared in federal court in Miami on Friday under heavy security. They were brought in and out in single file, chained together at the wrists and wearing ankle chains.

“This group was more aspirational than operational,” FBI Deputy Director John Pistole said. But Attorney General Alberto Gonzales described the men as “homegrown terrorists” who “view their home country as the enemy.”

The FBI learned of the plot from someone the defendants tried to recruit, authorities said.

In February, Batiste told the informant that he and his five soldiers wanted to attend al-Qaida training and planned a “full ground war” against the United States in order to “kill all the devils we can,” according to the indictment.

Batiste and a co-defendant provided the informant with photographs of the FBI building in North Miami Beach, as well as video footage of other Miami government buildings, and discussed a plot to bomb the FBI building, the indictment said.

Neighbors who watched the men’s vigorous exercise regime said the group appeared to be training for something. One of its members was always standing guard outside the small, windowless warehouse in the blighted Liberty City neighborhood.

Relatives described the defendants as deeply religious people who studied the Bible and took classes in Islam. Joseph Phanor, the father of defendant Stanley Grant Phanor, said his son went to classes on Islam with a friend but that he read the Bible at his father’s house.

Could they have carried through with a 9/11 type operation? Definately. All it takes is the willingness to die to accomplish your goal and almost anything is possible, especially Given the fact that they had gone over the deep end in their religious fanaticism.

Some, including CAIR, are stating they were not Muslims, why that matters I have no idea but In The Bullpen and Right Truth gathered some information together which shows what religion they appeared to be associated with:

Were the 7 Miami terrorists arrested this week actually Muslims, or were they members of the Moorish Science Temple of America that blends Islam, Judaism and Christianity, and stresses self-discipline through martial arts? Or were they members of the Nation of Yahweh, which is a mixture of Nation of Islam teachings and black nationalism ?

Yahweh ben Yahweh, Hulon Mitchell Jr., is the leader of the Nation of Yahweh.

As Yahweh ben Yahweh he emphasized a mixture of racial supremacy and violent separatism. God was black and blacks would become powerful through him. He also emphasized whites as infidels and oppressors. Lastly he increasingly emphasized loyalty to him. He ultimately cultivated a loyalty extreme enough that members apparently pledged to kill his enemies.His group took over a series of buildings in Miami. These buildings allowed for the level of black separatism he encouraged. He became the living messianic ruler in this culture. As ruler he is said to have been absolute and theocratic. Those who dissented could face beatings or, allegedly, death.

But did this group associate itself with Batiste terrorist cell?:

He was/is a self-proclaimed black messiah, who based his religion on a hatred of whites and urged his followers to murder “white devils” and bring him back body parts – a sliced-off ear or finger or head – as proof of the kill. The group claims members in 1300 U.S. cities and 16 foreign countries.

Batiste, a martial arts enthusiast, referred to his group as “soldiers” in an “Islamic army” that would wage a “full ground war” against the United States. …The Moorish Science Temple of America was founded in 1913 as a sect of Islam but incorporates teachings from Judaism and Christianity, said Aminah Beverly McCloud, a professor of religious studies at DePaul University in Chicago who has written about the group.

Moorish Temple members say they trace their ancestry to Morocco and often wear fezzes and use the titles “Bey” or “El.” According to the indictment, suspect Lyglenson Lemorin used the alias “Brother Levi-El.”

Adherents pray two or three times a day facing east and follow prayers and religious instructions from a book titled Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America

Nasir Baptiste is the leader of the terror cell “Seas of David” in Miami, which reportedly has 40 – 50 members and has existed for approximately one year. Baptiste’s godmother said that he was a “construction worker and martial arts expert and also sold soap and shampoo on street corners”. It should be noted here that the Nation of Yahweh group members also sold soap and shampoo to raise money. A coincidence perhaps, but interesting.

Whether they are full blown fanatical Muslim’s or some other religion matters not. They were planning attacks on our Nation, they bred hatred for other races and this country and the Government was right in stepping in quickly to put an end to it all.

Whether they are full blown fanatical Muslim’s or some other religion matters not. They were planning attacks on our Nation, they bred hatred for other races and this country and the Government was right in stepping in quickly to put an end to it all.

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Thought you would like that one….a moment of clarity brought that saying into my writing.

Thanks for the interest in my post that I cross posted at In the Bullpen.

My conclusion was the same as yours. The government said religion had nothing to do with it, they were wrong. It has everything to do with it.

Is it just me, or does this article in today’s LA Times sound like they tilt toward denouncing the FBI pre-emptive action, and give these stupahdists the benefit of the doubt as to whether they were a real threat or not?