If this is true, then Zimmerman prosecutor Angela Corey needs to step off the case.
Alan Dershowitz has been a harsh critic of Zimmerman prosecutor Angela Corey. Among his criticisms is that Corey has been too politicized in charging Second Degree Murder.
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Now Corey is retaliating by complaining to Harvard Law School about Dershowitz’s comments.
As reported by Dershowitz (h/t Ace):
State Attorney Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case, recently called the Dean of Harvard Law School to complain about my criticism of some of her actions.
She was transferred to the Office of Communications and proceeded to engage in a 40-minute rant, during which she threatened to sue Harvard Law School, to try to get me disciplined by the Bar Association and to file charges against me for libel and slander.
She said that because I work for Harvard and am identified as a professor she had the right to sue Harvard.
When the communications official explained to her that I have a right to express my opinion as “a matter of academic freedom,” and that Harvard has no control over what I say, she did not seem to understand….
Even if Angela Corey’s actions were debatable, which I believe they were not, I certainly have the right, as a professor who has taught and practiced criminal law nearly 50 years, to express a contrary view. The idea that a prosecutor would threaten to sue someone who disagrees with her for libel and slander, to sue the university for which he works, and to try to get him disbarred, is the epitome of unprofessionalism.
Corey now has made the prosecution a personal issue. Will she conduct the prosecution in such a way as to achieve justice, or to set herself up for a personal lawsuit against Dershowitz and Harvard?
Corey certainly has a right to protect and defend her reputation in civil actions, but she cannot interject those concerns into a prosecution. By threatening suit against a critic in the middle of the case, Corey has put her own financial interests at stake in the outcome and conduct of the prosecution.
Her response is one of ego- which means this case is being tried in vanity.
I felt from the start, that she was not for justice to the accuse but for the side of the mother of TRAYVON AND THEIR CROWD READY TO CONVICT HIM IN A NOT FAIR RESOLUTION,
AND BY THE SAME POSTURE SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL WITH THE MOB, FOR THE INCITING AND CRIMES COMMITTED BY THOSE ATTACKING THE WHITE ELDERLY PERSON WITH A HAMMER BLOW ON HIS HEAD MORE THAN ONE, HE FELL ON THE GROUND AND THE 5 OTHER KICKING HIS BODY AS HE WAS PLEADING TO BE INNOCENT OF WHAT THEY WHERE YELLING FOR TRAYVON AND THE OLDER ONE YELLING TO THE OTHER 5 WHO WHERE KICKING HIM FOOT KICKING WHILE ONE WAS LIFTING HIS UPPER BODY TO MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE,THE HAMMER HOLDER WAS YELLING, KILL HIM , KILL HIM, THEN THEY DRAGGED HIM IN THE WOOD TO HIDE HIM AND LEFT HIM TO DIE,
AND STOLE HIS CAR TO RUN AWAY, NOT FAR FROM THEIR CRIME,
GOOD THAT THERE WAS A PERSON FROM A DISTANCE WHO WATCH AND FREE THE OLD MAN,
A WAR VIETNAM WAR.
AND OTHER ATTACK FOLLOWED ON THE NAME OF TRAYVON ONE AT 20 TO 2 WHITES, IT HAS OUTRAGE MANY PEOPLE.
I wonder if her calling and whining for 40 minutes is serious enough to cause her to have to step down from the Zimmerman case.
So far, she has not actually filed any charges.
And Harvard has already told her that Dershowitz had the right to say and write whatever he wanted.
Since Corey is making a bad case, based on weakness, it might be better for Zimmerman if she stayed on.
Who knows?
Maybe the replacement might be indisposed to drop all the charges and would carry a case into court without Corey’s heavy baggage…..and win.
Lookie here. Angela Corey has a fan club. Get on the mailing list: justice-for-kenitra-casper-remove-angela-corey-from-office.
What’s going on in Duval County under Angela Corey, is unjust, unfair, and denies the citizens of Jacksonville their human rights. Angela Corey has formed an alliance with the Sheriff’s Office, the Public Defender’s Office and the County Judges. With an alliance like this, Angela Corey gets what she wants, the citizens get screwed. Citizens literally have to waste their money on attorneys because despite the legal arguments raised in courts, Angela Corey will get what she wants and Defense Attorneys are rendered nearly useless. This is corrupt and unfair treatment for everyone, not just Kenitra – you or a loved one could be next.
Come on Jacksonville, wake up and let your voice be heard against our 4th Judicial Circuit under the unfair leadership of Angela Corey who seeks maximums for any offender breathing. We must speak out for this type of political and legal abuse of authority.
Angela Corey’s tactics are destroying the lives of individuals and families throughout the Fourth Judical District unnecessarily.
Why is this petition so important? You or a close loved-one could be her next victim. You may be the next person to end up serving several years in prison either for a crime you did not commit or for a minor crime that she has directed her Prosecutors to exaggerate to force you to do a long prison sentence.
More evidence of political prosecution, yet the Flopping Aces Lynch Mob refuses to see the light of day.
More fans: http://injusticeinfocus.com/2012/01/19/is-angela-corey-above-the-law/
Complaints regarding Corey’s behavior can be filed by either completing this form, contacting the Commission on Ethics at (850) 488-7864 or by mail at Post Office Drawer 15709, Tallahassee, Florida 32317-5709. Additionally, a petition to have her removed from office can be signed here.
mossomo
that is an important new revelation to take note of, she might then fade out
of the JUSTICE IN GREAT NEED OF REAL ABLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
THE ABILITY AND WISDOM ,TO PUT THEIR SELF MOTIVATION OUT OF THEIR TASKS WHICH ARE A DUTY TO SEEK THE JUSTICE BE RENDERED FOR ALL ,
Wow. There’s a pattern here. This lady is an apparent biaotch. Corey is known throughout the Jacksonville community for her lock-the-kids-up-and-throw-away-the-key approach to juvenile crime in Florida.
http://justice4juveniles.blogspot.com/2011/12/did-angela-corey-mislead-public-about.html
There’s yet another petition asking for her removal in a third case utterly unrelated to Zimmerman.
http://www.change.org/petitions/reverse-decision-to-try-12-y-o-cristian-fernandez-as-an-adult
Another petition has been started to ask for the removal of State Attorney Angela Corey because she misled the public when she said he would not stand trial (he faces not one but TWO trials in adul court) and she was not seeking life without parole (life without parole is the mandatory sentence). Additionally, Corey has said in the media and to the public she chose not to try Cristian in juvenile court because he would serve less than two years. The Southern Poverty Law Center released a statement countering this claim, explaining that realistically in the juvenile system he would be under the court’s jurisdiction until he was 21.
If convicted, Cristian will be the youngest person ever sentenced to life without parole in America.
mossomo
you hit the WASP nest, and she is the QUEEN WASP,
BYE
@mossomo: A child’s character is formed by he time s/he is ten years old. The biggest mistake made in Cristian’s life was his not being put up immediately for adoption after birth.
Cristian beat his 2-year old baby brother to death. It was not the first time he had harmed his brother. It doesn’t matter whether he is 12-years old or not: these acts of violence against the defenseless tells us a great deal about his indifference to others.
If he were a dog we wouln’t hesitate to euthanize him. Unfortunately for society, we’ll probably spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to save a sociopath who will be a danger to all.
I don’t have any answers to this situation, and certainly not any that would please those who are sympathetic with Cristian’s situation, as he has been as much a victim as the brother he murdered.
@Satin Doll
Valid points. The happenances in the case are tragic. I personally wouldnt know what to do with Cristian. But the critique was more to show a pattern of 1.) extra judiciousness in exaggerating the crime for maximum prosecution and resulting exposure 2.) her word and action differ which is a very good judge of her character and 3.) others have made multiple requests asking for her removal.
Here is another petition with 2900 signatures
http://www.change.org/petitions/remove-state-attorney-angela-corey
This is the recent case of Marissa Alexander who got 20 years in jail for firing a warning shot against abusive husband. Corey overcharged her. Read story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/marissa-alexander-sentenced_n_1510113.html
video of Corey arguing with Corrine Brown
http://www.change.org/petitions/free-marissa-alexander
http://www.change.org/petitions/free-marissa-alexander-today
http://justiceformarissa.blogspot.com/
This a recent interview with state attorney Harry Shorstein, who was Corey’s previous boss:
Mark
thank you for those infos,
we know more about that woman because of it.
bye
Hey, if you want to support a law professor who strongly opposes private firearm ownership and favors a full repeal of the 2nd Amendment, I guess that’s up to you. You’ve got to dig a bit to find out just how squirrelly some of this guy’s views really are.
@Greg:
Are you saying that a liberal (which Dershowitz is) is unable to separate their political views from the law?
That’s rich coming from you, Greg.
Marissa,
poor victim MARISSA, hope there are multiple signatures for giving you the support you need to get out of that jail, what the hell are FLORIDA JUSTICE IS DOING TO YOU FOR DEFENDING YOURSELF,
THAT ANGELA COREY IS A DANGEROUS PERSON FOR THE JOB SHE IS REQUIRED TO DO,
SO MANY PEOPLE MUST BE RIGHT TO WANT HER OUT OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM,
Marissa, hang on, you are not alone, the people in florida are not letting you down,
your future will come brighter, don’t despair, be patient. it will come.
I don’t think positions Alan D. has taken on other issues at other times has any bearing on how this prosecutor reacted to having her position and its legal underpinnings attacked.
SHE went ballistic.
Can you imagine enduring her 40 minute long rant complete with screaming and whining all demanding completely illegal or unconstitutional acts?
That’s what the Harvard Communications individual had to endure.
Corey is the one who is in the wrong, in this case.
No one is an angel, Greg.
CRISTIAN FERNANDEZ NEED SOME MEDICAL HELP NOT ADULT JAIL, HE IS AT
THE RIGHT AGE TO STILL BE A CHILD IN GREAT NEED OF HELP,
ANGELA COREY IS NOT RIGHT IN HIS CASE
AND THE PEOPLE OF FLORIDA KNOWS IT,
AND MARISSA ‘S CASE IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE PEOPLE WHO FOR MANY SIGNED TO GET HER OUT,
AND ALLAN DERSHOWITZ MUST KNOW OF THOSE CASE AS A PROFESSOR INTERESTED IN JUSTICE,
AND COULD NOT STAY SILENT ON THE ANGELA COREY ACTIONS, WHEN IT CAME TO ANOTHER CASE, HE SIMPLY EXPLODED WITH OUTRAGE OF THE WAY SHE OPERATED,
there is a time when you cannot take it anymore when you stay silent and stay silent and stay silent LIKE THE DEMOCRATES DO,
you are so outrage as the injustices continue, you have to explode and expose the wrong,
that’s what he did, he is for JUSTICE NOT HALF JUSTICE, HE IS MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN DEMOCRAT, AND OTHER DEMOCRATES ARE EXPOSING OBAMA GOVERNMENT ALSO,
THEY HAVE ENOUGH OF HIS FAILED POLICIES, SOME MORE
WILL COME OUT IN NOVEMBER ALSO.
This is a repeat of the Duke screw-up
Angela Corey is not a first time offender either …
Angela Corey’s hissy fits, threats unprofessional
Corey even went after the Southern Poverty Law Center:
Mike O’Malley
she is sure coming out in the open now,
hope it serve to help the ones she sink,
to have a revision of decisions on their cases,
for justice’s sake,
is in it the FLORIDA GOVERNOR WHO PUT HER ON THOSE CASES?
WHAT WAS HE THINKING? HE SURELY HEARD OF THE SIGNATURES DEMANDING HER TO BE FIRE,
Mike O’ Malle
GZ is not safe with her concealing what she find as evidence for the PROSECUTOR,
WHEN DOES THIS WILL COME OUT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ?
Altho this is a non story… I mean, lawyers suing lawyers, what an unimaginable thought!… a couple things are obvious. Or perhaps not to some:
1: There is only Dershowitz’s word that Corey threatened to sue somewhere in that 40 minute “rant”, as he calls it. But is there a recording? And what of the person on the other end of the line at Harvard, who received the call? Odd that we don’t see any outrage from Harvard officials.
2: As I said, hardly unusual these lawsuits. Dershowitz should know because he did the same to Mike Barnicle who penned a memory from another conversation where there are no recordings and proof. The Boston Globe settled for $75K
When his bud, Jeffrey Epstein, was being investigated for soliciting sex with minors, Dershowitz put together a file on the accused minors, playing on their negative character that he picked up from their MySpace pages. Apparently he does that selectively, or is unaware of GZ’s similarly unflattering social media. Dershowitz then handed that file over to the prosecutors and police.
The point is, Dershowitz loves stirring the pot, loves fame and infamy, and slops around in the mud like the rest.
For that reason, I love reading Dershowitz, tho I don’t always agree with him. He’s like the Howard Stern for the legal industry…. a one man “community organizer” of discontent, riling up the masses about lawyers, judges and prosecutors for a living. A genuine judicial reform guy, Harry I. Subin, wrote the introduction to Dershowitz’s 1982 book, “The Best Defense”. Keeping in the theme of the adversarial discontent that Dershowitz thrives upon, Subin wrote:
As iconic as Dershowitz would love to have every one think, this is a man who spent the bulk of his career on the campus as an instructor or in the talking head circuits as a pundit. His high profile cases are not as the first line of defense criminal defense lawyer, but as an appellate lawyer and/or consultant.
I was wondering if this later position in the judicial food chain was the explanation for Dershowitz’s criticism of the original Second Degree Murder affidavit because it didn’t mention Zimmerman’s injuries. Well why would it? Is Dershowitz so far removed from the first line trenches that he is unfamiliar with three elements that are needed to prove second degree murder? The crime he is charged with is not that he executed an imperfect SYG or self defense, but that he created the conditions for that death to happen. And none of the elements for that charge include injuries from a confrontation that was allegedly caused by the accused.
So the question is, did Corey really threaten to sue, because we only have Dershowitz’s view of that and he loves the publicity. I knew he was really playing it when he publicly challenged Corey to a debate. Certainly Dershowitz has the advantage of spare time from his lofty, and financially secure position of prof/pundit/consultant. Corey is a busy, working prosecutor in the trenches. It was a media bid for further attention, and was quite embarrassing for a man of his stature.
What many need to remember is that lawyers and judges having different opinions is like everyone possessing a certain part of the body’s anatomy… i.e. “every one has got one”. Adversarial positions is what the legal world is all about. Those closest to the evidence – judges, lawyers and juries – involved in the case trump all the media talking heads in the world. Not only are they privy to the evidence, but they are the one’s who decide the fate of the accused. The talking heads? Just charging up the masses to keep their PR ratings high.
@ilovebeeswarzone, Corey isn’t concealing anything and cannot do so by law. Anything that O’Mara wants, he requests. However in Florida, the minute it’s released as evidence, it’s hits the media and public due to Florida’s “sunshine law”. So criminal lawyers there are more select and slow to request evidence. This way they can make sure negative evidence doesn’t hit the media for the public to sop up and damage their client. You’re buying into a bunch of horse manure.
Mata, once again performing as a legal expert and instructor.
Hardly an award winning performance.
And let’s not forget Mata’s philosopy that if you can’t destroy the message, kill the messenger.
You mean like assaulting the integrity of Judge Lester, Angela Corey, or making judgement calls on the competency of O’Mara because you don’t like what’s coming down? Or making negative comments about the dead victim? Or perhaps attacking me personally because you don’t like a summary of Dershowitz?
….ooops. Careful. Your hypocrisy is showing.
MATA
THAT WAS SHE SAID HERSELF, that she is not releasing some of her papers,evidences
I truly read that, more than once,
and how is O’ Mara is suppose to know what evidences to ask for, if she has not disclosed it? and kept to herself
bye
Bees, discovery is available upon request of the defense team, and the prosecution is obliged by law to turn over all evidence… both that which is favorable, or not favorable, to the accused. Because Florida’s Sunshine Law makes that evidence public, both prosecutors and defense teams are cautious about what they ask for, and when, for their respective reasons. O’Mara doesn’t have to ask for specifics, merely all witnesses, statements etc. He is moving at the pace of discovery that he feels is in the best interest of his client.
@retire05:
It’s kinda odd to me…you claim that Mata didn’t go a good job arguing her points…yet you fail to address her points and offer any sort of counter argument at all.
Why is that?
Be careful…with all that dancing…you might break a hip.
MATA
yes, I understand, that’s what most likely happenned with the prosecutor coming in with telling the judge that GEORGE ZIMMERMAN AND HIS WIFE HAVE LIED TO HIM
GETTING THE JUDGE ANGRY ENOUGH TO REMOVE THE BOND AND JAILED BOTH OF THEM,
BECAUSE THEY DID NOT COME PUBLIC WITH THEIR NEEDED BUDGETTING TO HELP THEMSELVES
AVOIDING THE LYNCHERS,
IS IN IT?
MATA
more of,
why would she be concerned about the public to learn what’s more of she’s got?
ZIMMERMAN HAS A GOOD NUMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON HIS SIDE WHO HAS ALREADY FOUND HIM INNOCENT BECAUSE SAVING HIS LIFE, AND NO POSSIBILITY TO SHOOT ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE BODY OF TRAYVON LOCKING HIM ON THE GROUND,
OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE SHOOT SOME OTHER PLACE TO SPARE HIS LIFE KNOWING HOW CARING HE HAS SHOWN BEFORE, WHEN HE TOOK ON TO HIMSELF TO PROTECT ANOTHER INNOCENT BLACK MEN SHUN BY EVERYBODY WHO HAD FOUND HIM GUILTY, WHILE HE WAS INNOCENT FOUND WITH THE HELP OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, THAT IS WHAT WE GAGE HIS PROFILE ON,
AND WHY WOULD ANGELLA COREY WOULD BE AFRAID OF THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, IF MAYBE IT GOES AGAINST HER DECISION THAT SHE ALREADY FOUND HIM GUILTY AND THOUGHT TO EXPEDITE THE
GUILTY DECISION FROM THE JUDGE LESTER.
@Aye:
Ummmm……………….. seems you apply different standards to me, than you do Mata. Where, in any of Mata’s hypothetic rants did she disprove the statements of Alan Durshowitz when it comes to ethical conduct of prosecutors? Oh, that’s right; she didn’t. Mata simply attacked Durshowitz personally because she, nor you, like what Durshowitz said in the same way that she dismissed Jeralyn Merritt’s opinions because Merritt is a polical liberal. So glad to know that being politically liberal discounts a person from having any expertise in another field.
Then there is that other rule that Mata seems to want to apply to everyone/anyone who disagrees with her bloviating; George Zimmerman’s internet history is fair game, but pointing out Trayvon Martin’s internet history is “making negative comments about the dead victim.” I guess we can no longer speak of the history of Timothy McVeigh or Ted Kazinski since they are both “dead.”
But I expect no less from you, Aye. After all, you can’t even get a simple colloguialism right.
Pray tell, what “ethical misconduct” is Corey guilty of? Not including a mention of Zimmerman’s minor injuries in an affidavit that has nothing to do with the elements required to be proven in the Second Degree Murder charge? Bringing the charge at all (or against Ms Z)? She’s guilty of doing the job of a prosecutor? What is the Judge guilty of? Deciding the State’s evidence is strong enough for a trial to proceed and met their burden? Revoking bond because of misrepresentation? What’s O’mara guilty of, in your opinion? You seem to think that he never discussed assertion of spousal immunity with her. Most especially since he called her as a witness in the bond hearing, and questioned her himself. Then again, I daresay O’mara didn’t have any idea she’d perjure herself in the cross examination and require a different attorney. Oh, but that’s his fault too, right?
It seems you’ve learned something from Obama and the liberals.. that nothing is the responsibility of the Zimmermans. The charges, the trial and the way events are going down are all the fault of someone else.
Personally, I don’t care about Zimmerman’s drug use or social media past. However since the focus by the Zimmerman devotees has been to portray a dead teen in the most negative light possible in order to raise Zimmerman to some presumed (and erroneous) sainthood, then you will need to be equal opportunity in your chosen path of character assassination.
Martin’s character is irrelevant to the second degree murder charge. Zimmerman’s, however, may be. That will be the State’s decision to introduce whatever they believe is relevant about Zimmerman’s character in order to prove their case, and up to a judge to decide if that evidence is relevant and admissible. It’s not up to Dershowitz, or you.
@retire05:
Really? She didn’t? You should re-read what she wrote. And more slowly this time.
As to your absurdly ridiculous point regarding McVeigh and Kaczynski…lemme see if I can stop giggling long enough to type this… First, they were convicted/plead guilty to their crimes. Martin, on the other hand, was never even charged with a criminal offense much less convicted. Yet, there are those on this site who have not only determined that he’s guilty of burglary but also of being a drug dealer.
Furthermore, his Interwebz history…and even his past use of marijuana…have zip, zero, nada to do with the actions of Z on that Feb night. We already know from the toxicology results that Martin was NOT high when Z observed him that evening. Martin’s past actions, or lack thereof, have nothing to do with the crime that Z has been charged with.
No matter how much you may desire to drag Martin and his family and their attorney thru the mud, none of that has anything to do with what Z did and the decisions he made that evening.
Second, it’s interesting that you chose to bring up McVeigh and Merritt in the same response. You do realize that Jeralyn Merritt was one of his lead defense attorneys right? That’s right…the same attorney who vigorously defended McVeigh is now speaking up for Z.
Finally, if you’re going to point your gnarled finger and sneer at me about non-existent errors in my arguments etc, you should avoid careless errors about who is living or dead and at least learn to correctly spell the names of the people you’re referring to.
Oh, Mata, you are sooooooooooo predictable. When forced into a corner, you thow accusations of “learning from Obama and the liberals” which has NOT ONE DAMN THING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND. I just another one of your little barbs you seemed to have majored in at the University of the Shrew.
Now, perhaps you have no problem with an affidavit, such as Angela Corey presented, that claimed Zimmerman committed actions that even the lead investagator said he had no proof of. But I do. I have a problem with any prosecutor who fabricates claims they cannot prove, simply seeking an arrest warrant. During the first bond hearing, the lead investigator admitted that there was no proof of some of the prosecution’s claims in the affidavit. Prosecutors are not supposed to just throw accusations out, in the form of an affidavit, to see if it will stick like crap on a wall.
You are also dead wrong about Trayvon Martin’s character being of no import. It most simply is. Was “No Limit Nigga” prone to doing drugs that would create agitation and violent behavior? Was he involved in fight clubs or groups, like the Black Foot gang, that thinks it cool and hip to attack white people or Hispanics? Why did he received a two week (ten day) suspension from school, a pretty severe punishment? Was it because of an attack on a bus driver as indicated by his cousin on Trayvon Martin’s Twitter account? Kids don’t get a two week suspension for “tardiness” as claimed by his father, Tracy Martin. Those aspects of his character would lend to the belief that Trayvon Martin was, in fact, in possession of violent tendencies. There has been a concerted effort, seemingly joined by you, to present Trayvon Martin as an angelic teenager who never gave anyone a moment’s worry. Angelic teenagers do NOT get booted from school for two weeks. The fact that even the Martin/Fulton family website portrays pictures of a pre-pubescent Trayvon adds to the hype and spin that has been created by Raul Julison and his PR firm.
Now, since you are such a stickler for exact quotes, perhaps you can show where I said the Judge was guilty of anything, or even Mark O’Mara being guilty of anything. I, JUST LIKE YOU, have an opinion on this case, and I am not willing to buy all the crap and lies put out by not only Team Skittles, but by a prosecuting attorney who had railed on others before because they criticized her actions.
uh… ahem… You are having a problem reading words again, I see. What I said was “…nothing is the responsibility of the Zimmermans. The charges, the trial and the way events are going down are all the fault of someone else.”
It seems ludicrous to have to point out that “fault” is not the same meaning as “guilt” or “guilty”. But that said, I’m happy to comply about your “fault” and blame being anyone other than the Zimmermans as it relates to the Judge and O’Mara.
That’s just in the past few days. And of course, there is no dearth of criticism and blame for those you label “the persecution”
INRE Martin’s character, tisn’t my fault if you can’t figure out that the State has no need to prove who started the fight, who was winning, or what Martin’s character was in a Second Degree Murder charge. It will be the defense who tries to do that in tandem with attempting to put doubt in the jury’s minds that Zimmerman was responsible for getting his head pounded to begin with. Ultimately, if O’Mara is going to hang proof that Martin started the fight (still irrelevant to the charge) via a character assassination, Zimmerman – Mr. datniggytb – will find his character will also come under fire. I don’t doubt that the defense may try to risk that approach, but I doubt any portrayal of Martin’s character by O’Mara will be nearly as despicable as what is demonstrated here. They need the jury’s sympathy, if they can get past Zimmerman’s actions prior to the fight. And slamming a dead teen to the degree you all love to do won’t accomplish that.
@Aye:
Aye, you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose. The toxicology report, only partially reported, does say that the components of marijuana were present in Martin’s chest blood and urine. The entire report, which will include the atopsy report which lists all blood work, as well as stomach contents, has yet to be made public.
But hey, you and Mata continue with your trying to convince the rest of us that a wetback (isn’t that what people like you call Hispanics?) had no right to defend himself against a young, healthy and strong Trayvon Martin while you continue to dodge the question I have put to both of you: what would you do if you found you were having your head bashed into a concrete sidewalk where you could suffer permanent brain damage, or worse? Would you just lay there? Accept your fate? But you see, Aye, I understand. If you answered that questions honestly, you would admit that you would do anything, including shooting your attacker, to prevent being severely injured or even killed.
The problem is you are not honest.
Ah.. more “racist” accusations from the braindead. Actually no… but it seems you do.
retire05
I think it prove again that GEORGE ZIMMERMAN was not an aggressive out to kill people,
and he had no experience in any defense ways to get out when locked in on the ground
by an angry attacker who told him he was going to kill him,
was there even a way to free himself?
I am wondering how the professional or instructor or good learn person in defense rules, would have act to free himself from the head bashing and force restraint by sitting on him,
it tell me that TRAYVON KNEW AND USED IT, AND KNEW THERE WAS NO WAY FOR ZIMMERMAN TO GET OUT ONLY USING HIS STRENGTH OF TRYING,
HE SURELY TRIED, BUT DID NOT SUCCEEDED,
BYE
@MataHarley:
My comment was not directed at you. So what was it? That you simply decided that you would once again tag team anyone who disagrees with either you, or Aye, or did I hit a sore spot?
And now I’m “braindead?” Are there no perjoratives, or insults, that are so low you and Aye are not willing to resort to them?
Well, at least you provide comic relief.
Really? So when you said…
… you really didn’t mean me, but still decided to identify me by name? LOL
And speaking of braindead, the word is P-E-J-O-R-A-T-I-V-E-S.
MATA
WOW, THIS IS SOMETHING NEW, HOW CAN SHELLY GET OUT OF IT?
BY CLAIMING OR RETRACTING EVERYTHING SHE SAID, OR ELSE?
or is she stuck because of not her fault at all.
can she claim ignorance of the justice process?
@MataHarley:
Mata, just curious, is there ANY subject, including law, the actions of the courts, ANYTHING, that you are not an expert in?
Oh, and while you’re at it, please provide me with any reason that you think legitimizes Trayvon Martin bashing George Zimmerman’s head into the concrete sidewalk when Trayvon Martin, up to that point, had not been harmed by George Zimmerman. And then, perhaps you will finally answer the question I have put to you and your tag team partner, Aye, more than once.
There are many subjects I am not well versed in. However it appears that whatever research and knowledge limitations I have, they are still miles ahead of your analytical abilities.
Certainly. It’s entirely conceivable that Martin felt under threat by a man he didn’t know, who had been watching and following him around for many many minutes, and who didn’t bother to identify himself when the two met up… all when he was doing nothing wrong. Under many circumstances it may have been Martin who was exercising his self defense. Zimmerman was merely losing the fight.
“It is entirely conceivable that Martin felt under threat by a man he didn’t know, who had been watching him and following him around for many many minutes, and who didn’t bother to identify himself when the two met up…all when he was doing nothing wrong. Under many circumstances, it may have been Martin who was exercising his right of self defense.”
Damn, Mata, you certainly have mastered the art of grasping at straws. Even Angela Corey did not make the claim in her affidavit that Martin was acting in self defense. The lead investigator said that there was NO evidence that Zimmerman’s account of the events was wrong. So what you proffer as “conceivable” wasn’t even offered by the defense team.
If you are being followed, you do not have the right to turn on your follower and try to bash their brains out on a concrete sidewalk. You want to ignore that Martin had no other injuries, no cuts, no bruises, nada, other than a gun shot would and a small cut on his hand. If Zimmerman had, in fact, initiated the physical confrontation, Martin would have had some some sign of that, either through brusing or cuts. But nothing. Just a gun shot wound and a cut on his hand. Are you trying to convince me that Zimmerman is guilty of beating Martin’s hand with his face?
Now, we are through, unless you can cease with the never ending insults and decide to act like a lady and not a bar-room bully who is full of herself.
Well, genius, that’s because GZ’s “self defense” hasn’t got a flippin’ thing to do with proving a Second Degree Murder charge. Why would she address it at all when it’s irrelevant?
There is no evidence anywhere for who threw the first blow. And guess what… it’s still irrelevant to the three elements of Second Degree Murder. However you asked a question where there was any justification for Martin pounding Zimmerman’s head, and I gave it to you. Might be a foreign concept, but it’s called self defense… a right that Martin also possessed.
@MataHarley:
So now you are the spelling/typo police?
What a freaking joke.
The “freaking joke” is you calling me a shrew, implying I’m a racist in favor of lynching, then assuming the victim stance and attempting a high moral ground argument by whining about P-E-J-O-R-A-T-I-V-E-S (or ladylike or bar room bully behavior… LOL). My suggestion is that while you’re busy mounting such a pathetic and feeble defense, you stick to words you can spell… like “insult” perhaps?
retire05
you said a cut on his [ TM ] hand,
it could be because of the gun struggle , that become a proof is in it,
that he went to get the gun,
Bees, there is *NO* DNA proof that Martin came anywhere near the gun. In fact, all evidence is to the contrary.
@MataHarley:
“Per Mata’s account, “I never cared if anyone read my blog rants. I use it to vent my frustration…these dissertations give my emotions a much needed release. Because, you know, life’s just too short to be consumed with anger.”
Well, after this last rant, it would see that you have failed in your endeavor.
You think this is me, “angry”? LOL Desperate… apparently you have no clue to the belly laughs I get, watching you bury yourself with your own words.
@retire05:
Never said that there weren’t trace levels in his blood. Try arguing against what I actually said.
If you’re trying to use the THC testing to prove that Martin was high or drugged out or stoned or whatever, you’ve got two major problems:
1) the trace levels of THC found in his blood was too low to meet levels which indicate intoxication or even recent inhalation:
And this:
2) THC levels from cardiac blood artificially spike postmortem as the THC is released from the heart tissue. We know that the test results, as detailed above, come from a cardiac sample (heart blood which had leaked into the chest). Thus we know that the test results, even as low as they are, reflect artificial elevation.
In short, you cannot point to the blood test results and claim that Martin was high at the time he was observed by Z. Well, you could, but you’d have neither the science nor the experts on your side supporting your position.
Actually, no, that is not a term that I use. Seems that you’re projecting again.
@MataHarley:
Let’s not forget the tired philosophy that if you can’t destroy the message, kill the messenger.