Nelson Mandela wrote about his feelings when he left prison in 1990:
“As I walked out of the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew that if I didn’t leave my bitterness and hatred behind, I’d still be in prison.”
Unfortunately, 1990 is where Mandela’s history begins and in 1999 is where it ends for most people. There is more.
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa — Nelson Mandela, South Africa’s first black president, is a giant in the world of liberation heroes, up there with Mohandas Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.
But unlike Gandhi, who said that nonviolence and truth were inseparable, and King, who famously declared that violence was immoral, Mandela embraced armed struggle to end the racist system of apartheid.
Mandela was instrumental in the use of violence in South Africa:
An irony of Nelson Mandela’s life is that the African National Congress freedom fighter will forever be remembered as a man of peace. That could not have been envisioned in 1961, when Mandela helped persuade the ANC that violence was necessary to get whites to share power with South Africa’s black majority.
Mandela was co-founder of the MK, or “Tip of the Spear”, an organization created to conduct guerilla warfare against the South African government. Mandela is reported to have written an MK manifesto including the following:
“Our men are armed and trained freedom fighters not terrorists.
We are fighting for democracy—majority rule—the right of the Africans to rule Africa.
We are fighting for a South Africa in which there will be peace and harmony and equal rights for all people.
We are not racialists, as the white oppressors are. The African National Congress has a message of freedom for all who live in our country.”
Mandela’s MK killed many people:
Landmark events in MK’s military activity inside South Africa consisted of actions designed to intimidate the ruling power. In 1983, the Church Street bomb was detonated in Pretoria near the South African Air Force Headquarters, resulting in 19 deaths and 217 injuries. During the next 10 years, a series of bombings occurred in South Africa, conducted mainly by the military wing of the African National Congress.
In the 1985 Amanzimtoti bomb on the Natal South Coast, five civilians were killed and 40 were injured when MK cadre Andrew Sibusiso Zondo detonated an explosive in a rubbish bin at a shopping centre shortly before Christmas. In a submission to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), the ANC stated that Zondo acted on orders after a recent SADF raid in Lesotho.[9]
In the 1986 Durban beach-front bombing, a bomb was detonated in a bar, killing three civilians and injuring 69. Robert McBride received the death penalty for this bombing which became known as the “Magoo’s Bar bombing”. Although the subsequent Truth and Reconciliation Committee called the bombing a “gross violation of human rights”,[10] McBride received amnesty and became a senior police officer.
In 1987, an explosion outside a Johannesburg court killed three people and injured 10; a court in Newcastle had been attacked in a similar way the previous year, injuring 24. In 1987, a bomb exploded at a military command centre in Johannesburg, killing one person and injuring 68 personnel.
The bombing campaign continued with attacks on a series of soft targets, including a bank in Roodepoort in 1988, in which four civilians were killed and 18 injured. Also in 1988, in a bomb detonation outside a magistrate’s court killed three. At the Ellis Park rugby stadium in Johannesburg, a car bomb killed two and injured 37 civilians. A multitude[citation needed] of bombs in “Wimpy Bar” fast food outlets and supermarkets occurred during the late 1980s, killing and wounding many people. Wimpy were specifically targeted because of their perceived rigid enforcements of many Apartheid-era laws, including excluding people of colour from their restaurants. Several other bombings occurred, with smaller numbers of casualties.
Mandela’s tenure in prison softened him and he turned away from violence, but so not his wife. She continued on, seeming to endorse a particularly brutal tactic known as “necklacing.”
The following five years were increasingly controversial. In 1986 she made a speech in which she talked about achieving liberation from apartheid by using “necklaces” – a reference to the brutal murder of suspected collaborators by putting tyres round their necks and setting them alight. There was also the matter of an opulent £125,000 house built in one of the poorest areas in the country.
Winnie Mandela also maintained a gang of enforcers:
The most serious allegations, however, stemmed from the activities of her personal bodyguards, the so-called Mandela United Football Club. Reports of their brutality were commonplace in Soweto and her house was attacked in 1988 by local people who had had enough.
Mrs Mandela refused to curb the team’s activities, however, and the following year came the decisive incident. A 14-year-old activist, Stompei Seipei Moketsi, was kidnapped by her guards and later found murdered. The ANC leadership declared that she was out of control but Nelson Mandela, in jail and in ill-health, refused to repudiate her.
They divorced in 1996.
Necklacing was a punishment exacted on blacks who were believed to be collaborators with the apartheid regime:
The practice became a common method of lethal lynching during disturbances in South Africa in the 1980s and 1990s. Necklacing sentences were sometimes handed down against alleged criminals by “people’s courts” established in black townships as a means of circumventing the apartheid judicial system. Necklacing was also used to punish members of the black community who were perceived as collaborators with the apartheid regime. These included black policemen, town councilors and others, as well as their relatives and associates. The practice was frequently carried out in the name of the African National Congress (ANC), and was even interpreted to have been implicitly endorsed by Winnie Mandela, then-wife of the imprisoned Nelson Mandela and a senior member of the ANC, although the ANC officially condemned the practice.
The first recorded victim of necklacing was the young girl Maki Skosana in July 1985
“ Her body had been scorched by fire and some broken pieces of glass had been inserted into her vagina, Moloko told the committee.
Mandela was apprehended, tried and convicted of sabotage in 1964 and sentenced to life in prison.
In 1985 Mandela was offered amnesty in return for renouncing violence but he refused, insisting that apartheid be dismantled first.
Later in 1985 South African President P.W. Botha initiated a series of meetings with Mandela, with Kobie Coetsee as his representative. The negotiations led to a meeting between Mandela and Botha in 1989, and Mandela’s release seemed certain. FW de Klerk became President in 1989, lifted the ban on the ANC and promised an end to apartheid and white rule. Mandela was then released in 1990.
There is a very interesting conversation with Coetsee here. It’s worth your time.
Mandela became President in 1994 and served until 1999. His legacy is the end of apartheid and white rule but it would be very wrong to believe South Africa’s problems are over. What came of those changes?
South Africa is a mess.
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa — Nelson Mandela didn’t coin the term “Rainbow Nation” or the phrase “Proudly South African.” But the optimism, determination and compassion of the country at its best owed everything to him.
In recent years, however, South Africa under the leadership of the African National Congress that Mandela loved is often quite different — shoddy, corrupt and incompetent. In short, depressingly like other African countries betrayed by liberation movements.
While life has gradually improved for many, problems once attributed to apartheid stubbornly remain. Nearly two decades after the ANC took power, poor education and healthcare systems still hold back many blacks. The police, no longer dominated by whites, are still brutal. Government departments still treat people with callous disregard.
Despite the existence of a powerful black elite and the growth of a modest black middle class, 40% of the population gets by on less than $40 a month per family member. Whites still earn six times more than blacks. And some analysts say the absolute electoral dominance of the ANC weakens South Africa’s democracy.
The ANC rules, but it doesn’t seem to care.
“We’ve been betrayed by our brothers and sisters,” said Sibusiso Zikode, spokesman for a grass-roots organization of shack-dwellers. “There’s no difference from the apartheid government. It’s a question of human dignity. Treat me as a human being.
“While I’m waiting 20 years for a house, give me water,” he said. “Why would I not get water?”
Bongisisa Gwiliza, a laborer who lives in a shantytown outside Rustenburg, said South Africa’s new leaders did not keep their promises to narrow the gap between rich and poor.
“There’s no sanitation. The place is so dirty,” he said. “The shacks have got holes. When it rains, it floods. There’s a lot of rain coming in. When there’s wind, there’s a lot of wind coming in, and it’s very cold.”
Crime is rampant.
The levels of extreme violence and crime remain high, particularly crime against women. In several cases this year, teenage girls were raped, mutilated and left to die.
During the apartheid years, South Africans living in black townships feared and loathed the police force that the white minority government used as a tool of oppression. When police killed 34 protesting miners outside Johannesburg in 2012, the echo of apartheid-era police brutality shocked the nation.
In early 2013, several police were charged with murder in the death of a Mozambican taxi driver, who was handcuffed to a police car, dragged hundreds of yards along a road and beaten, in an incident caught on cellphone video. The victim died that night of horrific injuries.
Statistics from the independent police watchdog group suggest those incidents are the tip of the iceberg, with 720 deaths in police custody reported in 2011-12. Analysts are uncertain why South Africa’s police force remains so violent. Some blame the policies of former chief Bheki Cele, who sought more powers to deal with heavily armed gangs in a country with one of the globe’s highest rates of violent crime.
Anti-white violence has reached epidemic proportions:
Thousands of white people in South Africa are subjected to atrocious acts of racist violence by black population while South African authorities and media keep silent and reticent. Somehow, the same media stirs tumult over human rights when it comes to the Sahara conflict, usually accusing Morocco of human rights abuse and lobbying against its sovereignty and territorial integrity.
“If your house is made of glass, don’t pelt others with stone.” It seems that South Africa doesn’t apply this golden rule when it goes blind to the increasing ‘black on white’ violence and deaf to the cries of hundreds of children, women, and men killed, tortured or raped by the black people.
It’s blatantly hypocritical of the South African government to claim it is defending the rights of the Sahroui people while human rights have been continuously abused since 1994, when the National African Congress took over government of South Africa. Maintaining the apartheid practices at home and claiming the defense of human rights abroad is simply a double standards and hypocritical approach.
Since the eve of 2013, 230 ‘black on white’ attacks were reported on the South African soil according to CNNiReport. 97 were murdered, 17 women and 2 men were raped usually by a whole gang, 3 people were left with permanent brain damage and one person paralyzed.
There were also 102 farm attacks during which 30 people were murdered. Morocco World News has obtained a detailed list of 55 white women murdered by unknown black males since 15 May 2012 to date in South Africa. This appalling genocide, white South Africans claim, has been going on for the past 20 years while the world kept quiet and enjoyed the show.
It goes largely ignored by the media. More can be seen here.
The problems in South Africa are exacerbated by the election of two successive buffoons:
Mbeki denied the link between HIV and AIDS, and was slow to distribute life-saving antiretroviral drugs. AIDS activists had to take his government to court to force the distribution of medication to prevent mother-to-child transmission of the HIV virus.
And Mandela’s ringing moral authority stood in sharp contrast to Zuma, who has battled corruption charges and questions about his personal behavior. He was acquitted of rape in 2006, but was criticized for having unprotected sex with an HIV-positive family friend about half his age.
Zuma once claimed that he could reduce his chances of contracting AIDS following engaging in unprotected sex with an HIV positive woman by taking a shower.
Zuma has done well for himself as President.
A newspaper investigation found that Zuma’s family had extensive high-level corporate ties and dozens of their own businesses, many of which were established after Zuma became leader of the ANC in 2007.
Needing an enemy as a distraction from the woes he helped create (does that sound familiar?), Zuma assures South Africa that he will seize the economy away from white males:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlxsBYnJErQ[/youtube]
In Zimbabwe, Mugabe did much the same thing to disastrous results.
Here Zuma sings a song about killing Boers (white farmers)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlxsBYnJErQ[/youtube]
To his credit, Mandela dabbled in capitalism and sought foreign investment but his successors have only made things worse:
When he became South Africa’s first black president after winning the nation’s first multi-race elections in 1994, Mandela actively wooed foreign investors. Instead of nationalizing companies, he persuaded the ANC to move away from its socialist ethos and embrace a free and open economy, which fueled South Africa’s economic growth for years.
Today, however, that legacy is under fire. Unemployment remains at nearly 25 percent; whites on average earn six times more than their black counterparts. The ANC youth wing has lobbied hard for the nationalization of banks and mines; according to the Municipal IQ, a Johannesburg-based research group, last year there were a record 173 protests, many of them violent, over a lack of housing, jobs, and basic services. According to World Bank statistics, South Africa remains one of the world’s most economically unequal societies.
A couple of other observations. A man named Tony Hollingsworth claims to be the person who transformed Mandela from terrorist to beloved icon.
Hollingsworth, now 55, envisaged a star-studded concert that would transform Mandela from outlaw to icon in the public’s mind, and in turn press governments adopt a more accommodating stance.
He approached Archbishop Trevor Huddleston, president of the British Anti-Apartheid Movement, to pitch his musical strategy.
“I told Trevor that the African National Congress and the anti-apartheid movement had reached their glass ceiling; they couldn’t go further.”
“Everything you are doing is ‘anti’, you are protesting on the streets, but it will remain in that space. Many people will agree, but you will not appeal them.”
“Mandela and the movement should be seen as something positive, confident, something you would like to be in your living room with.”
While Hollingsworth dealt with artists, Mike Terry — head of the movement in London — dealt with the ANC and the sceptics in the anti-apartheid movement.
And there were many, including Mandela himself, who asked several times that the struggle not be about him.
Many others insisted the focus remain on sanctions against the apartheid regime.
“A lot of people were criticising me for sanitising it,” Hollingsworth remembered.
Eventually Terry convinced the ANC and Hollingsworth convinced Simple Minds, Dire Straits, Sting, George Michael, The Eurythmics, Eric Clapton, Whitney Houston and Stevie Wonder into the 83-artist line up.
With that musical firepower came contracts for a more than 11 hour broadcast.
“We signed with the entertainment department of television (stations). And when the head of the department got home and watched on his channel that they were calling Mandela a terrorist, they called straight to the news section to say, don’t call this man a terrorist, we just signed 11 hours of broadcasting for a tribute about him.”
“This is how we turned Mandela from a black terrorist into a black leader.”
In a mystifying act, Mandela is seen in 2006 participating in a song calling for the killing of whites:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKiePbTcAfY[/youtube]
FYI- it was George W. Bush who removed Mandela from the Terror Watch list.
Nelson Mandela lived two quite different lives. One of violence and death and one of peace. His violent past has been almost totally purged by the media. His greatest achievements came through peace. Mandela could have spent more time being as critical of his successors as he was of the United States. Who was better off being in South Africa? Know anyone who wants to live there? While Mandela is to be admired for the good he did, it is important not to sanitize his life:
From their perspective, Mandela’s critics were right to distrust him. They called him a “terrorist” because he had waged armed resistance to apartheid. They called him a “communist” because the Soviet Union was the ANC’s chief external benefactor and the South African Communist Party was among its closest domestic allies. More fundamentally, what Mandela’s American detractors understood is that he considered himself an opponent, not an ally, of American power. And that’s exactly what Mandela’s American admirers must remember now.
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DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
@Richard Wheeler:
RW (MQ) remember my adage about who talks about racism, you been looking in a mirror? I don’t see much racism in anything I do, seems as if that is one of your major issues.
you think they are younger?
@Tom:
Let’s look at the reality of the slave trade, not the fairy tale spun by people with mindsets like yours, shall we, Tom?
Slavers (including the black slave ship captains that sailed from Boston Harbor) did not often venture into the interior of Africa to capture slaves. Mostly, they sat on the coast and waited for Africans to bring their slaves to them for sale and transport to the New World. You see, Tom, those warring tribes of Africans, who captured, and killed, members of other tribes, did not have any problems capturing, or killing, the slave traders themselves. For those slave selling African tribes, it was good money, so to speak. Just kidnap the men, women and children, of other tribes and sell them. It was a lucrative business for African tribes.
As to Henry Gates: while he is a historian, he taints his “history” of slavery with elimination of actual records. Does Gates show where a number of free blacks owned 100, and more, slaves, especially in the Cane River area? I doubt it. He is a race hustler, no better or worse than Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.
Why not just answer the question instead of trying to dodge it?
@Tom:
It’s liable to get sawed off with you sitting on it. So you think white guys were running around out in the jungle rounding up blacks?
@retire05:
Retire, in addition to MQ, I guess I’m gonna have to start referring to Tom as ‘dodger’. One thing you can count on is, if either of them, or Greg, quotes something, you won’t get their source. RW still hasn’t told us where he got his quote from the Pope about ‘diginified work’. I’ve asked repeatedly. I suggested he ‘pulled it’ from somewhere. I guess we’ll never know.
@Redteam: They are both quite a bit younger than you.
You can quote me on that.
O5 calls Tom a racist. Does that mean you are calling o5 a racist?
You don’t see MUCH racism in anything you do. Guess it depends on YOUR definition of MUCH RT.
@Richard Wheeler:
What a
POSpiece of work you are, RW. You know nothing about me. Yet, you seem to think that you can sling that pejorative “racist” at anyone who disagrees with you. Then you use age as a way to show bias. Why don’t you tell us how old you are, since you hold such disdain for anyone you think is in the seventh decade of their lives?You continue to disgrace that uniform you once wore, RW. You’re just a sad little man who thinks he is more important than he is who is an age bigot and a region bigot. I’m sure you would not have been a Republican in 1860, more like a Copperhead.
@Richard Wheeler:
Give us your definition of a “racist.” Perhaps you would be happier if I said Tom is a self-loathing white?
@retire05: @Redteam:
Spin, spin, spin. No proof though for the 100% claim though I see.
@Richard Wheeler:
Rich, that analysis sounds on point, as usual.
@retire05:
Here’s an idea. Why don’t you read what he wrote before you write something that’s completely incorrect.
Is the definition of a “race hustler” a black person you disagree with? That seems to be the common thread.
@Richard Wheeler:
Nope, when you are responding to a racist, it doesn’t mean only racist’s respond.
if I did, wouldn’t it likely be a MQ?
@Tom:
You gonna claim it was white guys out in the jungle capturing the blacks and trading them for rum to the Brown’s from Rhode Island? I’ve never seen or heard any person claim that white’s invaded the jungles of Africa and captured the persons. If you want to make that claim, give me a source of your info.
@Tom:
Did you go to that same Ivy league school that RW did? The one that awarded their degrees on toilet paper in Cracker Jack boxes? You really don’t know what a ‘race hustler’ is?
@retire05:
Sad to see someone utterly destroyed in a debate, reduced to nothing but the race card and Alinsky tactics. 🙂
@Tom:
See, throwing around your race card again? Where do you get so many race cards? Are they sold at your local WalMart? There has been no debate, you’ve only spouted out with no proof of anything.
@Redteam:
Is this what you consider a ‘source’?
Ah, I understand that you’re likely in the throes of advanced dementia, but it was actually your claim we’re waiting on proof for. That’s how it works: your claim, your onus.
@Tom:
You consider that an answer?
@Tom:
I read the article by Gates shortly after he published it. I even book marked it.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist.html
A race hustler is someone, of any race, that peddles victimization to his/her own people for their own celebrity and financial gain.
The common thread with you seems to be that blacks were, and still are, victims. I suggest you read Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele and Starr Parker. The only people who victimize blacks are those like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and yes, Henry Gates. Oh, and let’s not forget Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright, Jr..
And shall we talk about how Democrats have a tendency to elect racists like Woodrow Wilson and FDR, not to mention Robert KKK Byrd, only to lionize them after their deaths?
Nelson Mandela … a terrorist. No longer valid. Just dead.
“Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights … ”
http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/
@AdrianS: But, but, wait… Adrian, He was a man of peace wasn’t he? Just ask RW or Tom or Greg, etc…… Personally, I hope he enjoys his time with Satan.
@RedteamYou certainly chose the right moniker R.T. You are truly on the outer fringes of the American Body Politic. A one per center in your own right.
@Richard Wheeler: Well, RW, tell us all. Are you an admirer of Mandela? Was he someone you would put on a pedestal? Was he someone you would feel deserved a salute when you were in a USMC uniform? And do you feel as if only 1 % of Americans feel as I do about Mandela? I kinda feel as if about 99% feel as I do about him. You and obama are about it, apparently.
@Redteam: Redteam, Retired seems to know quite a bit about Man, and God and law, yet he doesn’t mind certain people using the word “ass.”
@retire05: It would be nice for you to document when I lied. You can disagree with me, like Redteam who believes General Sherman was a terrorist, but I do not lie.
I don’t accuse you of lying, because you haven’t. But I will accuse you of ignorance and hypocrisy, which accurately describes your comments.
@Redteam: I can admire Mandela for maintaining himself after being jailed for 27 years because of his race. And I can admire him for not retaliating against the whites, as many Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians did against the Russians in 1941 and 1942.
@PhillipMarlowe:
When you accused me of using “ass”, which I did not.
Of course you will, as “accusations” is all you have. That, and intellectual dishonesty.
More of your intellectual dishonesty. Mandela was NOT jailed because of his race, he was jailed because of his terrorism. I bet you’re a fan of William Ayers, as well. Guess he was a “political prisoner” in your mind.
You continue to be dishonest. Mandela might not have wielded the weapon that killed Afrikaners after his release from prison, but he did nothing to stop it. Even after he left office, as the de facto leader of his nation, he did nothing to stop the genocide now going on in SA against whites.
“The Christian Post reported:
Mandela was the head of the military wing of the African National Committee (ANC), which Hammond also referred to as ‘the abortion, necklacing and corruption party.’ He said that 1,000 Africans were killed by necklacing in the country through the ANC, an act where terrorists would ‘put an automobile tire over someone, pour petrol over them [and] set them alight.’…
…Mandela was imprisoned for involvement in these terrorist attacks. The guerrilla force, uMkhonto we Sizwe (MK, or ‘Spear of the Nation’), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party, was founded in 1961 by him and his advisor, the Lithuanian-born communist Joe Slovo, who was secretary general of the South African Communist Party in 1986.
Slovo planned many of the ANC terrorist attacks. In 1962, Mandela was arrested along with 19 others, many of whom were communists, in a police raid on ANC headquarters at a farm in Rivonia, a Johannesburg suburb. In the Rivonia Trial of 1963-1964 the defendants were ‘tried for 221 acts of sabotage designed to overthrow the government and conspiring to aid foreign military units’…
…“In his book Long Walk to Freedom, Nelson Mandela wrote that as a leading member of the ANC’s executive committee, he had ‘personally signed off’ in approving these acts of terrorism. This is the horror which Mandela had ‘signed off’ for while he was in prison – convicted for other acts of terrorism after the Rivonia trial. The late SA president PW Botha told Mandela in 1985 that he could be a free man as long as he did just one thing: ‘publicly renounce violence’. Mandela refused.”
There are many black men of history that should be admired along with many blacks now alive that should be admired. Mandela is not one of them. And I will not pay homage to any terrorist Communist and resent the Idiot in Chief, Obama, comparing Mandela to Lincoln, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Gandhi. But then, Obama does seem to migrate toward terrorists, doesn’t he? I guess he’ll order our flags flown at half-staff if Robert Seale ever dies.
@Redteam: The fact you feel 99% of the American people feel as you do about Mandella–“hope he enjoys his time with Satan” illustrates just how out of touch you truly are RT
His policy of reconciliation is the primary reason he is held in such high esteem by the vast majority of whites and blacks in South Africa.
Personally, I don’t find a place for him alongside Gandhi or MLK. I certainly disagree with his support of the likes of Castro and Gaddaffi, He was flawed in many ways.
Like slavery,apartheid needed to end.Mandella played a major role,sometimes immersed in violence,in bringing it to an end.
After his release from 27 years in prison he was a man of peace and reconciliation. The massive support he receives from the whites of South Africa and peoples of the world say much about the heart of this man.
@Richard Wheeler:
I agree, Rich, and this is what I wrote here.
@DrJohn: Thanks DJ Nice to find agreement with you today. Lets try again real soon.lol
@Richard Wheeler:
Not to mention that the first world dignitary Mandela visited after his release from prison was Arafat.
Are you saying Mandela’s means (the violence of him and his party) justified the end (the end of apartheid)? Wasn’t that the direct opposite of what Dr. King preached?
How did you like the photo of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. bowing to Raul Castro?
@retire05: I saw Obama shaking hands with a number of foreign leaders including Castro.
This is what Presidents do. Bowing to Castro? Didn’t happen.
I agree with Dr. J that apartheid needed to end. As with the Civil War and the end of slavery, violence was necessary to achieve that result.
Mandella,a flawed man, is being remembered for his dedication to reconciliation between the whites and blacks of South Africa.
I’d add that violence was necessary in the overthrow of the oppressive yolk of the British Crown.
@retire05: Well, let me correct myself, retirey.
Obama bowed to Castro.
You do lie, like a dead dog in the hot sun.
As for the above comment, I did not accuse you of using the word ass. Just that you turn a blind eye to it when typed by Redtea.
You need God’s grace for lying, but especially for your bile and hatred that borders on psychopathic.
I’ll put Mandela’s actions along those of Generals Grant, Patton, Sherman, Westmoreland et. al.
@Richard Wheeler:
When you bend the upper half of your body from the waist, it’s a bow.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/12/10/obama-raul-castro-handshake-nelson-mandela-funeral/3949243/?sf20449857=1
But no surprise. Obama bows to every tin pot dictator.
Certainly not like Lt William Calley at My Lai and the commander who oversaw the same day massacre at My Khe.
What Would You Have Done? Nelson Mandela and American Conservatives
December 6, 2013
Newt Gingrich
Yesterday I issued a heartfelt and personal statement about the passing of President Nelson Mandela. I said that his family and his country would be in my prayers and Callista’s prayers.
I was surprised by the hostility and vehemence of some of the people who reacted to me saying a kind word about a unique historic figure.
So let me say to those conservatives who don’t want to honor Nelson Mandela, what would you have done?
We know what retired or red team would have done: pissed on his grave – http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/obama-spit-poster.jpg
@PhillipMarlowe:
See my response, and link, to RW.
Liar. You did. Redteam had to correct you. You are becoming delusional.
You mean how you turn a blind eye to the racism of the Democrats?
Perhaps it is you who needs God’s grace for assuming that you have the authority (the sin of arrogance) to determine who needs His grace.
God, this guy … with the bowing, again. What little fascist-communist dictator is Obama kowtowing to this time? We don’t know, some child despot, maybe the Sultan of Cuba or the African Queen. No wonder Fox News has to name all the pictures of Barack “monster.jpg.” And that stench? Oh, that’s just the smell of the constitution burning.
Read more at http://wonkette.com/412300/more-obama-monster-evidence-from-photos#xLV3Cmy5Kc1fskHk.99
But Why Isn’t Obama Bowing To Bob Dylan?
http://wonkette.com/413934/but-why-isnt-obama-bowing-to-bob-dylan
@PhillipMarlowe:
Since you like to assume that you have the authority to speak for God, when are you going to answer my question that you keep dodging?
Again:
Everyone is waiting on your answer, Phillip.
Wonkette? Isn’t that the vile, disgusting website that made fun of Sarah Palin’s handicapped child? Why, yes, it is. No surprise that you frequent that site.
@retire05:
Liar. You did. Redteam had to correct you. You are becoming delusional.
More projection.
I did not say you typed the word ass. You just turned a blind eye to it.
As for Obama bowing, oh Lord, you really are in need of therapy and prayers.
Maybe an exorcism to rid yourself of the devil of hatred and bile.
Here’s a prayer put to great use back in 1944 in the forests of Germany:
Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies, and establish Thy justice among men and nations. Amen.”
@PhillipMarlowe:
Again:
Now, are you telling us that you support traditional marriage and are against abortion, as a Catholic, that is?
Everyone is waiting on your answer, Phillip.
@PhillipMarlowe:
You said:
What you really said:
No mention of anyone else or of a blind eye.
@retire05: So, you object to criticizing Obama for all that bowing? Defending Obama now?
I support all the Roman Catholic Church teachings, much as the bishops and Catholics like Newt who recognize Mandela for the positive things he did.
Mandela gave up his hatred.
What’s your excuse for not doing so?
(Of course, now that you have established me as a “liar” you will say I am lying now. Or am I? Or you will accuse me of some blood libel like protecting priests who abuse children.)
@retire05: Right, good boy there. You don’t mind the word ass being tossed around, at least by the defender of slavery and the Confederacy like Redteam- your kinda guy.
@PhillipMarlowe:
Do you support traditional marriage and are you against abortion at any time?
Yes, or no?
Stop dodging.
You will dismiss my Newt references , probably by citing this Wonkette article:
Who’s Hanging Out With The Iranian Terrorist Group Now?
http://wonkette.com/477082/whos-hanging-out-with-the-iranian-terrorist-group-today
You will probably say the boy Obama is bowing to is named Vladmir or Josef or Travon:
http://goo.gl/FFAZ4W
@Richard Wheeler: 178
He did not renounce violence, which is still very prevalent in S Africa. He was their spiritual leader til the day he died.
@Richard Wheeler: 182
Funny, I don’t remember the civil war being fought in Rhode Island, Boston, New York city to end slavery. But since the war in the South had nothing to do with slavery, then it makes sense that the violence was considered necessary for some other reason.