The Obama Presidency disintegrates

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Obama-Failure

Glenn Reynolds said that the worse Barack Obama performed the blacker he would get. That is true, but it’s also true that the worse Obama performs the more his inner Karl Marx bleeds through and Obama’s real character is on full display right now.

Gimme what you got

And think for a moment about how Obama is framing his economic speeches. The core of what he’s trying to do, he said at Knox College in Illinois Wednesday, is not to make the economy better or create jobs. It’s to eliminate inequality.

So in many ways, the trends that I spoke about here in 2005 — eight years ago — the trend of a winner-take-all economy where a few are doing better and better and better, while everybody else just treads water — those trends have been made worse by the recession. And that’s a problem.

This growing inequality not just of result, inequality of opportunity — this growing inequality is not just morally wrong, it’s bad economics. Because when middle-class families have less to spend, guess what, businesses have fewer consumers . . .

And that’s why reversing these trends has to be Washington’s highest priority. (Applause.) It has to be Washington’s highest priority. (Applause.) It’s certainly my highest priority. (Applause.)

He throws in “inequality of opportunity,” but what Obama is really angry about is inequality of result. He’s mad that some people have more than others. That we’re not spreading the wealth around enough. That people are getting ahead even though you didn’t build that. Because at a certain point, you’ve earned enough money.

It’s the politics of resentment, touted by someone who harbors resentment. It’s at bottom the philosophy of, gimme what you got, you rich bastard.

It’s anger. And, as it expressed itself in the speech Wednesday, it wants payback.

If income inequality isn’t undone, blacks in this country will riot, rape, pillage and it’s George’s fault. Zimmerman, not Bush:

“If we don’t do anything, then growth will be slower than it should be. Unemployment will not go down as fast as it should. Income inequality will continue to rise,” he said. “That’s not a future that we should accept.”

A few days after the acquittal in the Trayvon Martin case prompted him to speak about being a black man in America, Mr. Obama said the country’s struggle over race would not be eased until the political process in Washington began addressing the fear of many people that financial stability is unattainable.

“Racial tensions won’t get better; they may get worse, because people will feel as if they’ve got to compete with some other group to get scraps from a shrinking pot,” Mr. Obama said. “If the economy is growing, everybody feels invested. Everybody feels as if we’re rolling in the same direction.”

And Obama wants that civil unrest in this country:

Stuart Varney: Obama used the term “inequality” more than he used the word “growth”. And this is a problem, according to Charles Payne.

Charles Payne: It is a problem. He talked about [income inequality] being morally wrong. You know, Stuart, if you and I entered this building and there were different rules for each of us, that would be morally wrong. But if I dropped out of high school and smoked weed all day and you worked your way through college and made more money than I did, that’s not inequality, that’s just.

Here’s what this president did: he tried to condemn capitalism. He tried to condemn success. He promotes mediocrity. And he’s making excuses for people to fail in this country, instead of being honest about it.

His phrases: “people who lost their homes through no fault of their own”, “people who lost their jobs through no fault of their own…” You know what: if I own a business and have 10 employees and things get bad, guess what? I’m not going to fire my best employees! Maybe you did lose your job because you weren’t up to snuff!

The bottom line is this: the president is pushing this agenda. That America is somehow a mean-spirited country without opportunity and we’re going backwards. When, in fact, every single year we get closer to that “more perfect union” that we strive for.

[On Obama’s prediction that income inequality will increase and “social tensions will rise as various groups fight to hold on to what they have”]

In my mind — and I hate to say this — I think President Obama would love to see civil unrest in this country very much like the Arab Spring. I think what he’s trying to do is to spark this revolution against the wealthy, against the “One Percent” who are holding us back, who are hoarding this money,

You know Democrats are trotting out this statistic about how much money the top one percent controlled in 1979 versus how much they control now. Well, it’s quadrupled, as if it’s the same group of people who’ve been greedy with money and greedy with opportunity.

You know who it is? It’s a kid like Lebron James, who was in the bottom one percent and is now in the top one percent. And his salary skews that top one percent to make it look 400 percent better. What that number shows is that opportunities for America… not the bad part of America, the good part of America.

It’s much easier to take from others than it is to work for something

Alinsky saw social tensions as a necessary circumstance to effective community organizing. Without anger, without the have-nots blaming the haves, it is harder to accumulate power. Alinsky considered the creation of social tensions, or the exploitation of them, as essential to move wealth and power from those who have it to those who don’t.

Once “social tensions” are stoked, all that is left is the tactical organization.

Ronald Reagan rallied Americans together. Obama knows only how to divide us.

A couple of notable things:

Income inequality

It is highly significant that Obama speaks of “income inequality” instead of “wealth inequality.” Income inequality isolates and protects the über-wealthy like the Pelosi’s, the Kerry’s the Kohl’s, the Blankfeins and the Kennedy’s who never have to work another day in their lives. You’re not going to touch their wealth. As always, those working the hardest will be made to bear the brunt of the burden.

Obama’s economic record absolutely sucks:

Median household income has generally trended lower but has plunged under Obama

And that’s the good news. The bad news is that median real household income is $2,718, or 5%, lower than the $54,218 median in June 2009 when the recession officially ended. Median incomes typically fall during recessions. But the striking fact of the Obama economy is that median real household income has fallen even during the recovery.

Obama discourages growth by discouraging work.

The food stamp and disability rolls have exploded, which reduces inequality but also reduces the incentive to work and rise on the economic ladder. This has contributed to a plunge in the share of Americans who are working—the labor participation rate—to 63.5% in June from 65.7% in June 2009. And don’t forget the Fed’s extraordinary monetary policy, which has done well by the rich who have assets but left the thrifty middle class and retirees earning pennies on their savings.

Why Obama can be nothing other than a failure

The core problem has been Mr. Obama’s focus on spreading the wealth rather than creating it.

Barack Obama is more interested in trophies and legacies than in success. He is more interested in Marxism than he is in the overall growth of the economy. No one may succeed until everyone can succeed.

The No Child Left Behind Economy.

In a nutshell, Barack Obama’s economic philosophy can be described this way:

Bob worked the hardest and has eight apples. Mary has three apples. Ed has one apple. Obama would take four apples from Bob and give one to Mary and three to Ed. Each now has four apples. After they have eaten them Bob doesn’t feel like working as hard since most of his will be taken away. Ed realizes he doesn’t need to work at all.

As Margaret Thatcher might say, eventually you run out of other people’s apples. Redistribution, no growth. No incentive.

So now as his Presidency crumbles around him Obama is scurrying around having himself and everyone around him blathering about “phony” scandals like the abuse of the IRS that now touches the Oval Office and the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi (where was Obama during this time?) and the guns he sent into Mexico and he is “pivoting” to the economy for the nineteenth time.

And we also learn that since Obama is President, we don’t need a Congress. He can do it all.

NYT: People questioned your legal and constitutional authority to do that unilaterally — to delay the employer mandate. Did you consult with your lawyer?

MR. OBAMA: Jackie, if you heard me on stage today, what I said was that I will seize any opportunity I can find to work with Congress to strengthen the middle class, improve their prospects, improve their security —

NYT: No, but specifically –

MR. OBAMA: — but where Congress is unwilling to act, I will take whatever administrative steps that I can in order to do right by the American people.

And if Congress thinks that what I’ve done is inappropriate or wrong in some fashion, they’re free to make that case. But there’s not an action that I take that you don’t have some folks in Congress who say that I’m usurping my authority. Some of those folks think I usurp my authority by having the gall to win the presidency. And I don’t think that’s a secret. But ultimately, I’m not concerned about their opinions — very few of them, by the way, are lawyers, much less constitutional lawyers.

So he doesn’t need Congress. He doesn’t need a lawyer. He doesn’t need a Constitution. This is the same Obama who once derided George Bush for not respecting the Constitution:

“I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution,” Obama told an audience at a campaign fundraiser. “I believe in an attorney general who is actually the people’s lawyer, not the president’s lawyer.”

That statement is, as they say, rife with irony. After all, the end justifies the means, right?

And finally, let us recall more words of the One.

“I actually believe in redistribution.”

Obama is worth about $12 million. He will never in his life need to lift a finger but he will, as have past Presidents, become enormously wealthy. I am very curious to see how much of that he redistributes, as thus far he has redistributed nothing of his own outside of his usual tax obligations.

Do as I say and not as I do.

Under Barack Obama the United States is well on its way down the Grove Parc path, as I predicted.

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@Richard Wheeler: Well, apparently you had no problem sharing your personal information with someone you don’t know. (DD-214 has a huge amount of personal info) I accepted what you told me about your service and will accept anyone’s word on their service. Yes, I know a lot of people lie and make up things, but their problems are much deeper than yours or mine if they find it necessary to lie about military service. While I don’t care for your political views (some of them) at least you honorably wore a military uniform to protect your right (and everyone else’s right) to those views.

@Tom: Tom, he didn’t say it as you stated it, he said: “We gotta have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded (as the military).” quite a bit different from saying volunteer service. You said it as: ” He may have chosen his words poorly when he said “security force”, but he clearly wasn’t speaking about an armed security force or promising one. Look at the rest of the paragraph that follows. It’s all about volunteering and service. Does any of that sound like an armed security force? ” So, he didn’t say “security force” he said: ” a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded (as the military).”

@Richard Wheeler: The only 214 I want to see is the one of the dude who used to post here who was throwing commies out of helicopters in Laos 3 years after the war ended.

@another vet: That guy was a nut. Aye nailed him big time. It was beautiful to watch him surgically destroyed by the Master.

@another vet: Why was he doing that? “throwing commies out of helicopters in Laos 3 years after the war ended.”

@Richard Wheeler:

That guy was a nut. Aye nailed him big time.

Can you direct me to the thread that this happened on? Just curious how a guy gets ‘nailed big time’.
RW, was someone questioning your service the reason you sent someone a 214?

@Redteam:

Whether Curt would request or not is up to him. That Richard thinks it’s necessary to prove himself by telling us over and over that he was a Marine, yet deny another person’s assertion of their military service, displays a distasteful character trait.

I generally don’t say much about my former military career because I don’t think it is necessary or usually relevant. Suffice to say mine was an AF Operator-Technician career field associated exclusively with the Joint Chief’s of Staff DSP/DMSP spacecraft projects. Security classifications Secret to Top Secret and above. Site locations: classified. To be blunt, you don’t get assigned to the highest of the high tech classified AF careers if you like to brag.

@ilovebeeswarzone: #134

do we know how many STATES have a MILITIA….

I don’t know, but one idaho politician is working on getting one for us.

@Nan G: #138

We sleep when we’re tired and eat when we’re hungry…..very zen.

I bet it didn’t take you very long to get used to that schedule, did it?

@another vet: #140
If it did, he would have requested it in one of his budget proposals….

What budget proposal? He hasn’t introduced a budget since be became president, even though the law says he has to each year by a certain date. The republicans aren’t pushing the issue, so that tells me they are a branch of the democratic party.

@Smorgasbord:

Rather than a Militia, with the limitations placed on them in the Militia Act, I would suggest an educational civil and self defense mentoring organization, where citizens of all ages and abilities can be educated on a variety of subjects related to how they can defend themselves, their families and their community from dangerous threats.

@Ditto: #162

Rather than a Militia, with the limitations placed on them in the Militia Act, I would suggest an educational civil and self defense mentoring organization, where citizens of all ages and abilities can be educated on a variety of subjects related to how they can defend themselves, their families and their community from dangerous threats.

I still would rather have an armed militia that is trained in the above, but also trained to use guns as a backup if the above fails.

@Ditto: Ditto, thanks for the comment. I accept your statement completely. I tend to believe people that say they served in the military, but recognize that some are not truthful. That’s their problem, not mine. It does not diminish me in any way.

@Redteam: I can’t remember how long it’s been since he posted here. Curt bounced him off of here a couple of years ago maybe. If I’m not mistaken, he not only threw commies out of helicopters, but he was throwing terrorists out of them in the ME as well. Part of him being exposed was because when you broke down the time frame when he allegedly came in the service and when all of this stuff happened, the dates didn’t add up. Not only that, people who’ve done stuff like he was claiming to have done don’t openly brag about it. Some of his war stories would have no doubt been classified as well given their nature and the fact that there weren’t any wars going on at the time. I don’t like to question people’s service, but I’ve met my fair share of bullshit artists and he stood out as being at or very near the top of the heap.

@Smorgasbord: I believe he has proposed a budget every year. I know for a fact he introduced one in his first year because I read the part that jacked up health insurance rates for the military. His last two or three budget proposals were shot down in Congress by unanimous votes. He didn’t get a single vote with the last one.

@Ditto: I’ll try not to pick your brain about UFO’s too much even though I’ve always been interested in them. Ever read, “Leap of Faith” by Gordon Cooper? I’d be curious as to your thoughts. I found the book to be absolutely fascinating on all levels- the space program, technology, and of course his experiences with and views on UFO’s.

@Redteam:

I agree. I usually give the benefit of the doubt that if someone says they served, that they did. Those who lie about serving or what they did when they were in know in their hearts that they have diminished themselves. The only time I get upset is when a fraudster tries to invent or embellish in order to profit from it.

@another vet:

LOL. I haven’t read Leap of Faith so I can’t really comment on it. UFO’s never came up in my military circles or any of the spacecraft films I reviewed. I had one odd experience while the system was tracking and downloading data on one sun-synchronous (almost polar orbit) satellite pass:

After acquisition, the antenna was tracking the spacecraft fine until it reached about a 70-degree elevation angle. The auto tracking system then swung off the path and locked onto a different source. I switched the system off auto-track and moved the antenna back on the path and followed the spacecraft manually with my eye on the receiver signal strength meter (a very difficult balancing act). After A few minutes I re-engaged auto track and I’ll be damned if the antenna didn’t swing back around to lock onto the same fixed point in space. So I switched back to manual and cranked the antenna back on path and continued manually tracking for about five minutes. until after azimuth rotation and the elevation angle was far away from the stronger signal. Finally I was able to re-engage auto-track and the antenna stayed on target until the pass was finished. I immediately went outside and using the stronger signal coordinates looked to see if I could figure out what the antenna wanted to track instead of our spacecraft, for my incident report. (I was actually hoping that I wouldn’t see a “UFO”.)

It was the sun. The best I can figure, there must have been a solar flare storm that day that was radiating microwave radiation on the same transmitting frequency as our spacecraft. When the satellite path neared the proximity of the sun, the solar radiation overpowered the spacecraft’s signal and the tracking system acquired and tracked the stronger source.

A few weeks later I received a communications from system headquarters about the incident. They said that such a problem had never been reported before. They thanked me for submitting my report informed me that the engineers were in total agreement with my logical analysis regarding the incident. They very nicely also sent a communication to my supervisor commending me for bringing the issue to their attention and my wise analysis. They didn’t have to do that, but it reflected well in my annual performance evaluation.

Ditto
very interesting, it must have been uplifting to follow it,
and not knowing what it is,
I had a chance to visit a place where they search the sky from down where the commercials planes
travel to up ward in the debt of the infinite,
and as I was behind watching those screen with a few military, there where things traveling there, and I ask if they encounter some non identify moving things, and they said yes,
I was accompany with an army officer high graded and his mother and brother who had been invited for that only visit, because they where to move to another place,
yes I to was uplifting to see that, some years ago,

@ilovebeeswarzone:

very interesting, it must have been uplifting to follow it, and not knowing what it is,

It was a royal pain in the -A at the time. But it is always satisfying when you solve a perplexing problem.

I had a chance to visit a place where they search the sky from down where the commercials planes
travel to up ward in the debt of the infinite,…and I ask if they encounter some non identify moving things, and they said yes,

I’ve heard and read of many tales, some told me in person. I’ve never experienced UFO activity, but I wont outright pooh-pooh someone who claims to have experienced such phenomenon. I simply listen and thank them for relating their story. Some of course are likely misunderstanding of events with an influx of speculation. Other accounts, I am not qualified to say.

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, (Sherlock Holmes)

I’d modify the end of that to “most likely will prove to be the truth.” You must have enough of the pertinent facts to disregarding irrelevant and misleading data to get to the truth. When you don’t have enough data to establish fact or to support your conclusion as “proven”, all you can make is a hypothesis.

@another vet: #166
Thanks for the clarification. I guess I confused obama not SUBMITTING a budget by the required date.

@Ditto: #170

Some of course are likely misunderstanding of events with an influx of speculation.

Over the years, I have seen several UFOs that weren’t there. If you are looking through a window at the time you see one, move your head around. If the UFO moves with you, it is a reflection. That happened to me just recently while driving.

@Smorgasbord: That’s happened to me as well. There was only one instance where I saw something that couldn’t be explained on a reflection. It happened last year. It was a silver object (kind of drone shaped from what I could tell) that was heading east. It went into some light clouds and when it reappeared it was heading west and then it disappeared back into the clouds and I never saw it again. There is no way it was a plane because it would have had to make a loop to turn around. This was around 11:30 in the morning and other than a few high streaks of whispy clouds, it was blue skies. I’m thinking it may have been some sort of a small cloud formation.

@Ditto: The pesky sun? Given that the AGW crowd thinks it doesn’t have as much influence on the earth’s climate as man, I’m surprised it could affect a radar!

@another vet: #173
I have seen reflections from my glasses that made me wonder what they were until I figured them out. Before I had glasses, I saw what looked like something moving really fast. I didn’t see the object, if there was one. I just saw a long thin streak for a very small fraction of a second. I don’t know what it was or wasn’t, so I haven’t said anything about it until now. I just now realizes that it could have been a meteor going through the top edge of our atmosphere.

@another vet: #174
I didn’t know the sun could affect radar.

@Smorgasbord: If I understood him correctly, Ditto was saying that solar radiation from a solar flare storm is what was being tracked. When he said antenna, I was assuming it was one for a radar.

Now if we can just convince some people that what happens with the Sun also impacts the earth’s climate as well, we may be getting somewhere.

It sounds like what you witnessed was a meteor. When we are on the ground, we can only speculate as to what we saw up there. However, when a pilot makes a sighting and says the object was keeping pace with his aircraft or you have accounts by fighter pilots chasing the object, that’s a lot different. They are up there with it and have a lot closer look. Then again we do have sightings like the Phoenix Lights which obviously weren’t flares dropped from an Air National Guard planes. Too many eye witnesses, backed by film footage, saw a solid object between the ‘flares”. The same “flares” were also spotted over other parts of the Southwest that night as well.

@another vet: It sounds like what you witnessed was a meteor.

Off topic, but on the night of the 11th into the early AM of the 12th the Persied Meteor Shower is on display.
It has been predicted to have between 60 and 100 visible meteorite straks per hour!
That’s a good show!
It is especially a good show in the western USA, but is visible all over the country.
Go where it is dark, away from city lights.
You won’t need binoculars.

@another vet:

It wasn’t a radar unit, it was a satellite communications system. Both operate in the microwave spectrum, the difference is a radar transmission is just a carrier wave, Satellite transmissions typically carry multiplexed data on a multiphase carrier waves. Geomagnetic solar storms have been known to cause transmission frequency interference.

When space weather attacks!

The auroras of 1859, known as the “Carrington Event,” came after the sun unleashed a large coronal mass ejection, a burst of charged plasma aimed directly at the Earth. When the particles hit our magnetosphere, they triggered an especially fierce geomagnetic storm that lit up the sky and frazzled communication wires around the world. Telegraphs in Philadelphia were spitting out “fantastical and unreadable messages,” one paper reported, with some systems unusable for hours.

Today, electric utilities and the insurance industry are grappling with a scary possibility. A solar storm on the scale of that in 1859 would wreak havoc on power grids, pipelines and satellites. In the worst case, it could leave 20 million to 40 million people in the Northeast without power — possibly for years — as utilities struggled to replace thousands of fried transformers stretching from Washington to Boston. Chaos and riots might ensue.

It is very rare that solar activity is so intense that causes transmission problems. When it first happened, I wondered if a Wild-Weasel aircraft was overhead, testing it’s microwave jamming equipment. When the antenna didn’t move as it would have if it was tracking an aircraft, I had to rule that out.

My career field had nothing to do with “Ufology”. All our associated spacecraft were of human manufacture.

@Ditto:Okay, it was SATCOM. I didn’t think about that possibility even though I’ve had a little (very little at that) experience with it. All interesting stuff. I don’t think I’ve read about the Carrington Effect. It sounds like a topic worth looking into. People don’t seem to realize that there are so many things we have no control over that can have a catastrophic effect on this planet and its inhabitants.

@Nan G: Thanks for the heads up on that one. Times like that make me wish I lived out West. I always liked the view of the sky in Arizona better than the one in Illinois. The trick will be to try and stay up that late (or get up that early). The meteors need to cooperate more with human sleeping patterns!

@another vet: Well, actually the meteors fall during the day also, it’s just that you can’t see them. So it’s the night and day sleeping pattern that needs altering. Right RW?

@another vet:

Okay, it was SATCOM.

No, we were not part of SATCOM. We were jointly assigned to operate and maintain both the DSP (NORAD, Defense Support Program) and DMSP (“> Defense Meteorological Satellite Program Air Force Space and Missile Systems Center(SMC) ) satellite programs. Both spacecraft command and control systems were very similar, so our personnel assignments were not command agency specific, but were instead detachments handled by the project group headquarters (ie, the DSP/DMSP Project didn’t operate under the SOP Air Force management protocols, due to their being JCofS controlled systems).

NOAA has it’s own less complex “economy” variation on the DMSP spacecraft, with much lower capabilities than the military versions. (We could use “their” satellites, they did not have the technology to use “ours.”)

@Ditto: We are probably talking two different acronyms then. In the Army, SATCOM was Satellite Communications. It didn’t stand for an organization but rather the means of communication, in this case radios using satellites.

@Redteam: I probably should have stated ‘my’ sleeping patterns. The whole world revolves around me you know. There, do I pass for an Obamamite now? You know I’m trying my best to get that secret decoder ring.

DrJohn
as you see, your POST has brought us to the sun and back with all in between,
it could not be more interesting than that,
why this happen? well it’s because you allow it to go on his own
where ever the mind can bring to the table,
and free as a bird,
bye

@another vet:

We are probably talking two different acronyms then.

Not just two different acronyms, but two distinctly different technologies. It would be like comparing shortwave radio with a computer. Satellite radio is a whole different ball of wax from the systems I was assigned to.

I knew a few Army SATCOM troops as well as MARS operators. We used to hang together, great bunch of guys. They talked me into getting on their NCO club’s electric bull and getting thrown on my rear. On one base my roommate was maintenance including for the Air Force SATCOM installation.

Ditto
it seems to me that the CANADIANS WHERE WITH NORAD ALSO,

@Ditto: Like I said, my experience was very limited with those. You obviously know a lot more about them than I do. The technology of satellites is interesting though. When I read Cooper’s book, I was quite surprised that Sputnik was only a little larger than a basketball.

@ilovebeeswarzone:

LOL Thread drift is an interesting thing and most of us have give in to the temptation.

@ilovebeeswarzone: The thread seems to have run its course awhile ago. Notice how some quit posting. As usual, no one changed any one’s mind. The Obama supporters still worship him and the rest of us think he has permanently damaged the country. We have our own little powwow going on now since we’d all be preaching to the choir if we talked about Obama.

I’m sure Dr. J will start another thread that will perk everyone’s interest and arouse some controversy.

@another vet:

The first man-made craft in space was the “Bumper WAC”

February 24, 1949 – The first craft in space, nicknamed the “Bumper WAC,” reached an altitude of 244 miles. The Bumper WAC teamed researchers at the newly named Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., with German rocket scientist Wernher von Braun and his group of researchers, who surrendered to the U.S. at the end of World War II.

Sputnik was 22.8 inches in diameter, weighed 184-lbs and was launched Oct. 4th 1957. Sputnik was not the first satellite that Russia had planned to launch, but instead was a much simpler satellite that was rushed to launch to beat the US into establishing the first orbital satellite. Essentially all Sputnik was capable of doing was transmitting locator beacon signals using it’s two radio transmitters.

Our first satellite was Explorer-I launched about three months later on Jan 31, 1958. The Explorer spacecraft was smaller but much more complex. Explorer-I discovered the Van Allen Belts and also “found” that the intensity of cosmic rays was much lower than scientists expected.

The main problems the US was experiencing in the 1950’s was with the guidance systems of it’s space launch vehicles If you can find or request a copy from your local library, a fun read regarding the Murphy’s law plagued US missile program was “Some Birds Don’t Fly” by Gary Paulson.

@another vet: AV, well, I’ll certainly give you a passing grade. Congrats.

another vet
hi,
I think we have more fun than they do,
because we don’t take no limit,
and all in good will,
bye

another vet
they went to bed,
but we will be back tomorrow, each of us must have a different time,
and we blend our time together,
bye

Smorgasbord
on 172 it’s very funny, but you might have had the real UFO
MOVING WITH YOU, because he wanted to communicated a very important mystery,
and you delete it by moving your head,
didn’t you miss a revelation from them,
and you have spend your life trying to convince us that revelation.
bye

Redteam
who can deny that they don’t come in our dream,
why would I had that dream of them around me,some years ago,
why would I was sure they where gray and small, preventing me from awaking,
and hold me paralyze unable to move, unable to come out of that situation,
and suddenly I had a desperate move to get out of it and I woke up, scare to death,
it took me a while before I lost the fear to fall asleep and afraid get back with them,
and I had never read of UFO encounter, at the time,
bye

@ilovebeeswarzone: There are certainly some things that can’t be explained.

Redteam
yes, did you ever had a dream of UFO?
IT’S WEIRD AND SCARY, for a long time.
because you are between sleep and awake,
bye

@another vet: #177
The Phoenix lights have been proven to be flares. One man cut out the mountain range of the mountains, then put it over the image of the film where the tops would be. As a light came down, when it came to the line at the top of the cutout, that light went out. Each light wet out when it came to the line of the mountain tops. As far as people saying they saw something between the flares, sometimes we tend to see what we want to see, not what is actually there.

There have been too many other sightings during daytime where the UFO moved slowly in the sky, and thousands of people say it, sometimes for several hours. The individuals who I give more credibility to than others, are the ones who tell their stories, and never try to profit from it. They don’t seek out the media, and never make any money off of what they say happened.

As far as global warming and solar flares go, in about 500,000,000 years it won’t matter any more. We will experience the biggest solar flare we will ever see when the Sun expands out far enough that it will burn up all of the planets, then collapse back on itself and implode.

Smorgasbord
very thought provoking,
In 5 hundred million years,
I wonder if the humans will still exist,
and when they vanish, what will the EARTH become?
can we envisage AN EARTH without HUMAN?
bye