60 Responses to The boy who cried wolf… or the demagogues who cry “Racism” [Reader Post]

  1. Richard Wheeler says: 51

    John Galt and Mata I’m sure you know how much I respect and enjoy your presentation of Conservative views and principles.
    My question Is the Conservative tent large enough to include the likes of Hard Right? This is a serious concern to me and your answers will help me evaluate my continuing to evolve political beliefs.
    Pls refrain from speaking about the far left.I know plenty about that wing.

    Thanks much Semper Fi

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  2. MataHarley says: 52

    @Lorie Robinson: I have no problem with kids who are old enough to work, work. What I have a problem with is Newt insinuating that black children have no role models. What he is saying is absolutely wrong and it just sterotypes the black family. I really don’t expect you to understand, however you cannot negate my experience and perspective.

    Lorie, it’s interesting that you chose to use the word “insinuating”… which, of course, indicates that it’s a perception you choose to accept as truth as opposed to researching the program that Newt specifically advocates for the disadvantaged youth of all races. Now that may be because you happen to read publications that project that “insinuation”, but it would behoove you to read more about this long standing issue for Gingrich instead of taking a single sentence and screaming “racist”.

    First of all, you say you have no problem with kids who “are old enough to work” getting work. It’s interesting that when Newt suggests that the child labor laws (generally 16+ years) actually constricts developing work ethic at an early age, it results in the predictable assault that Newt wants to exploit child labor. Hyperbole much? That’s absolutely absurd. I worked prior to the age of 16… anything from babysitting to yard work, chores, house cleaning. And once I turned 16 I went to work as a cashier at a grocery part time while still in high school. I don’t think it’s exploitative for kids to work earlier than the federal government deems the minimum age. And it’s not akin to suggesting a sweat shop either.

    Do you object to kids having jobs prior to that age? And why? It would be far more healthy endeavor than joining gangs (no, that’s not a “black” thing… so don’t even go there), or sitting for hours playing video games, or tweeting.

    As to the perception of him presenting this only to black youth, let me widen your horizons. From ABC News, hardly a conservative news outlet:

    The blogosphere piled up with headlines Thursday over a part of Newt Gingrich’s campaign speech involving food stamps and the NAACP, which left the Gingrich campaign scrambling in defense to put Gingrich’s comments in context.

    “And so I’m prepared if the NAACP invites me, I’ll go to their convention and talk about why the African American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps,” Gingrich said earlier today in Plymouth, N.H.

    After a few tweets about Gingrich’s comments surfaced online, several blogs were written focusing on Gingrich’s comments. Some headlines included “Gingrich Singles Out Blacks in Food Stamp Remark,” “Newt: Informs African Americans They Should Not Want Food Stamps,” and “Gingrich to Blacks: Demand Jobs Not Food Stamps.”

    The Internet chatter ensued as writers discussed Gingrich’s comments on race, saying he “called out the African American community.”

    Gingrich lead welfare reform as Speaker of the House in the early 90′s and routinely speaks on improving poverty in America as a part of his “stump” speech. Though his comments are not always politically-correct or well received by some groups, Gingrich doesn’t hold back in talking about his desire to help ethnic communities.

    …snip…

    The Gingrich campaign immediately responded to the press over Gingrich’s comments by sending out an email that said Gingrich’s NAACP comments were an effort to reach out to the African American community. The Gingrich campaign pointed to Gingrich’s book Real Change, in which Gingrich was critical of President Bush’s “failure to address the NAACP.” Gingrich said it was a “clear signal to the African American community that Republicans did not see them as worthy of engagement in dialogue.”

    …snip…

    Gingrich said earlier this week that he was prepared to go into any ethnic community that would listen to his ideas.

    “There’s no neighborhood I know of in America where if you went around and asked people, ‘Would you rather your children had food stamps or paychecks?” Gingrich said. “You would end up with a majority saying they’d rather have a paycheck.”

    As I pointed out, if Newt was before the NAACP – obviously an organization dedicated to the issues of black Americans – he’s not going to be catering his presentation of his program to financially challenged whites or Hispanics. He’s going to address the demographics of the audience.

    He was not confining his presentation to only the black community, as you see to prefer to believe. However since unemployment rate is 43% among African-American teenagers, the program to offer an early path to work is obviously a benefit to that disproportionately large demographic.

    Had you read the article I linked to Hispanic activist, Ruben Navarrette, you would see that not all minorities, with high percentage of poverty and less returns from Social Security at retirement for lower wages during their work life, find such a program objectionable.

    What I find amazing is that you choose to make this program… which is not confined to race, but certainly is best pitched to those who are most in need of help… an example of race baiting when it is actually you, and leftist and/or black punditry/organizations that are playing the race card. Fact is, as I told you and Newt said himself, he’d go into any minority neighborhood of any ethnicity, and say the same. But he used the NAACP as an example because their 43% youth unemployment is the most staggering… and therefore, the best example of who can benefit. But certainly not the only example of who could benefit.

    Now you say this “stereotypes” the black family. You may, or may not have had a similar childhood as those Newt wishes to aid. But it’s absurd for you to pretend that statistics of poverty, single parent, and unemployment opportunities for black youth don’t exist. You can call that racist if you want. I would call it sticking your head in the sand and avoiding the dilemma. One that none of us wants to exist.

    Even Bill Cosby, Walter Williams and Ward Connerly deplore this unhealthy hypersensitivity and avoidance, saying this type of attitude further depresses improving the situation.

    Now, I see you refused to answer @my two simple questions above. I’m not sure why, and maybe you can try again. So I’ll repeat them, plus add one more.

    1: Are you suggesting that Newt should go to the NAACP convention, and tell them that white people should demand a paycheck instead of food stamps? Because he was speaking to the audience (black), and also to those that are most affected by the lack of jobs.

    2: Are you also suggesting that blacks would *prefer* food stamps to a job?

    3: Are you aware that the program suggests not only janitorial positions, but office, cafeteria or any department (i.e. a phys ed department that could assist a coach with equipment, rather like a ball boy in baseball.) And do you feel any of these jobs are “beneath” any youth of any race?

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  3. johngalt says: 53

    @Lorie Robinson:

    So now you are assuming that because I’ve posted on FA before that I don’t have a life? Project much? I was simply asking you to provide proof of your claim that “The te party went out of their way with racis and disciminatory remarks”. Of course, you have restated that differently now, saying that “only some are”. You also stated that signs during the last Presidential election help prove this. Really? You do realize that the TEA Party essentially started one Feb. 19, 2009, AFTER Obama was sworn in as President, don’t you?

    And your links? Those are hardly worthy of being some kind of “proof” of TEA Party racism. Unless, of course, you are one of those people who consider any criticism of Obama as being racist-driven.

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  4. MataHarley says: 54

    As far as I’m concerned, johngalt, you never comment enough… LOL

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  5. MataHarley says: 55

    I’m not sure what you are asking, rich wheeler. Are you asking me to pass judgment on whether I find HR a worthy member of a party I don’t belong to? And why would I do that?

    And simultaneously, you want any one to avoid any references to any extreme leftist.

    ??? Is this a set up and for what? LOL

    I don’t know what has got you all up in arms about HR. Sounds like a personal problem there, guy. But I have no intention of rating the personal human value of any commenter, or their worthiness, at your bidding.

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  6. Richard Wheeler says: 56

    Mata #Roger that. You reiterate you are an Independant and not a “large C” Conservative/ Party. Correct?
    My problem with folks like Hard Right who declare themselves Conservatives should be obvious to anyone who can read. I’ve never seen you hold back from criticising those with whom you disagree. Therefore 82 and clear in So.Cal Enjoy the debate WATCH RUBIO over next few days.His actions will determine the winner.

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  7. Hard Right says: 57

    Sorry Mata. It appears he is “downgrading” you because you won’t rebuke me. You know, the very thing he has made it a point not to do to his fellow leftists. Case in point, the Tucson shooting of Giffords and how the left smeared the GOP/Conservatives with it.

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  8. MataHarley says: 58

    @Lorie Robinson, first let me apologize because I didn’t see your answer to my two questions.

    As to your response to #1, repeated below:

    Mata: : Are you suggesting that Newt should go to the NAACP convention, and tell them that white people should demand a paycheck instead of food stamps? Because he was speaking to the audience (black), and also to those that are most affected by the lack of jobs.

    Lorie: He chose to highlight the black community playing to the more racist element to his base. That is what I have a problem with. He did not include other races in his rant.

    Lorie, that statement makes no sense. Were Newt attempting to “play to the more racist element to his base”… ergo KKK types that would prefer a society cleansed of all blacks…. he certainly wouldn’t be doing so by suggesting that there be incentive programs to help them acquire entry level jobs. Most especially by taking away some cushy union jobs. If anything, such proposal would turn off the racial bigots in any party. (and you have more than a few in your party as well… including a former Klan leader)

    In fact, if this supposed racist base believed it was a racially motivated program, they’d be shouting it from the mountain tops as being a form of affirmative action.

    What most of us understand is that the program is not geared to race, but to entry level opportunity for anyone that wants to take advantage of it. Perhaps you don’t know much of Newt’s background, but as a former teacher, and one still involved in education, he has made the poor and students… of all races… an issue for years. For those to twist this program, and the context of that remark, as racist is simply the shoe on the other foot. The accuser is, in fact, the one playing the race card. This has been the point I’ve been trying to make… but I suspect you will resist despite all facts and history of that candidate. You insist upon hearing exactly what you want to hear, and close your eyes to anything else.

    @Richard Wheeler: Roger that. You reiterate you are an Independant and not a “large C” Conservative/ Party. Correct?

    sigh… I’m not exactly sure how to present to those of the lib/prog bent that I find attempts to pigeon hole, categorize, and place people into classes so very offensive. I am, like every one else, a potpourri of political leanings, and individuals just don’t fit into little labels.

    So frankly, I haven’t got a clue how to answer your question. I’m not a “party” anything. I’m an individual who decides on issues for sundry reasons.

    @Hard Right: It appears he is “downgrading” you because you won’t rebuke me.

    I haven’t got a clue as to why I’m *supposed* to be rebuking you, HR. If it’s your direct, unedited opinions of Lorie’s commentary, I’m afraid I can’t let Lorie off the hook for her own participation in playing the race card. We all respond negative to such false charges. The only difference between your responses and mine is the approach and delivery…. not the meat of the disagreement. Or perhaps because I’m demonstrating more patience for what I truly will admit is a likely lost cause.

    I grew up the daughter of first generation Americans, and have heard more than a few bigoted insults tossed at my parents. But none of us seethe with rooted resentment. It was a different era than today.

    I also still know a few bigots to this day… most of which I have absolutely no patience with, and will not associate with unless forced to for business. Then I simply deal with business alone, and never broach any other subjects.

    But I will also say that I have met just as many black bigots as white bigots. Racism is not a trait that is owned only by Caucasians.

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  9. johngalt says: 59

    @Richard Wheeler:

    Rich, I will state this again, albeit a little differently. Hopefully you understand after it.

    Being an “Independent” does not have anything whatsoever to do with being a liberal, conservative, or even a moderate. All it means is that a person does not affiliate him or her -self with any particular party. I believe that you are confusing the terms “Independent” and “moderate”, and attempting to use them somewhat interchangeably.

    I am an Independent, as I do not affiliate myself with the GOP, or the Democrats. However, I am a conservative, so subsequently, tend to vote more for the GOP candidate, and especially in a national political race.

    Please quit confusing the terms, Rich. You are smarter than that.

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  10. johngalt says: 60

    @MataHarley:

    Mata, I would comment more often, but I have this little thing called work that at times, leaves me with very little free time to even read the postings, let alone comment on them or others’ comments. I did find it quite funny that Lori assumed that because I had commented a few times, up to that point, and directed them at her, that it meant that I didn’t have a life away from the computer. And what is even funnier, is that somehow my few comments mean that I have no life, yet she was responding to several different people, and with quite a few interactions with those people.

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