The NAACP is holding a march in North Carolina today to protest voter ID laws among other liberal causes. In the NAACP’s typical hypocritical style, they told the people attending to bring a photo ID.
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SouthernRoots
10 years ago
Well, if they are right about how hard it is to get photo id, they’ll have a very low turnout.
retire05
10 years ago
Not to mention that they (the marchers) have to be told how to act in a proper way and to not bring weapons with them.
This one
10 years ago
I’m sure that’s in case they are arrested. But in Texas you can no longer use a students ID but NRA card is fine. Idiots.
You’re truly pathetic, this one. Instead of going directly to the source, you buy into any left wing lie that is put out on the internet. And if you were not such a simpleton, you would know that an NRA membership card does NOT have the person’s picture on it, so how would that serve as a PHOTO I.D.?
Here is what is accepted:
•Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) (which has a photo)
•Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS (which has a photo)
•Texas personal identification card issued by DPS (which has a photo)
•Texas concealed handgun license issued by DPS (which has a photo)
•United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph
•United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
•United States passport (which has a photo)
Why do you so enjoy making yourself look ridiculous?
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@This one: Speaking of idiots, I read the article and noted that nowhere in it (aside from the title) was NRA cards or studen ID’s mentioned. Gee, I wonder why they were used in the title? Perhaps to draw attention of idiots who only notice headlines and talking points?
As the NAACP requirements point out, photo ID’s among blacks, for one, are neither rare or hard to get. The entire, sole and most important reason to oppose positive photo voter ID is to leave the door open to perpetrate more fraud.
As to the second link, please note that the racist Democrats of old no longer control the political situation in Texas. So, there is no fear of a return to the racist discrimination institutionalized by Democrats.
Apparently, only conservatives believe anyone is capable of getting a photo ID. Liberals assume their constituents are too lame and stupid to accomplish this monumental fete. Further, as I have asked, repeatedly, in the Dallas Morning News blog and letters, please explain how it is possible only to target DEMOCRAT voters? To date, there is no answer, other that the above mentioned assumption by liberals; liberals are simply too lazy and dumb to get one. After all, they can always blame someone else.
retire05
10 years ago
From The Economist:
[T]he results of the November elections in Texas surprised both sides. More than 1.1m Texans voted: turnout was two-thirds higher than in the previous off-year election. Whatever Democrats say, that hardly suggests widespread voter suppression. Republicans note that it is not hard to get a photo ID: Texans without driving licences can get voter-ID cards free from the state. Or they can use their concealed-handgun licence, naturally.
DaNang67
10 years ago
@This one: You link drivel like that and call others idiots? If brains were c4 you couldn’t blow your nose.
Pete
10 years ago
This fits right in with Nelson Mandela enacting voter ID laws in SA when he was president there. And the photo ID requirement to get into the DNC convention. If leftists had any integrity the would be protesting the racism of the TSA requirement for a photo ID to get on an airplane.
If leftists had any integrity the would be protesting the racism of the TSA requirement for a photo ID to get on an airplane.
They don’t.
They won’t.
Ronald J. Ward
10 years ago
Anyone of reasonable intellect can easily deduce that the NAACP’s “bring a photo ID” is more of a suggestion rather than a requirement.
But hell, what does honesty have to do with anything among today’s so-called conservatives?
The voter ID scam is indeed a whopper of a lie in order to steal elections. I’d rate it above “death panels” yet not quite up there with Paul Ryan being a soup kitchen dish washer, maybe somewhere between Obamacare will kill 2.5 million jobs and Keystone will create “hundreds of thousands” of jobs.
But the amazing thing is that the same ole blind partisan hacks will be right back regurgitating the same old lies despite the fact that everyone knows they’re abject liars. They don’t even try to hide their dishonesty anymore, perhaps because they’ve finally learned to just be comfortable in their own skin.
retire05
10 years ago
Leave it to RJW to try to convince you that “shall” really means “may.”
The voter ID scam is indeed a whopper of a lie in order to steal elections.
Yeah, that’s why after the voter I.D. laws in Texas went into effect, it had the highest minority voter participation rate of any off year election on record. Minority voters in Texas now know that in their precincts, where voter fraud is the highest, their vote will actually count and they won’t have it disenfranchised by some voter fraud who lives down the street. No more dead voters in Sheila Jackson Lee’s district. Imagine that, minority votes now are actually counting.
I wonder when Eric Holder will start suing the banking industry because banks require a person to show photo I.D. to open an account.
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward:”Anyone of reasonable intellect can easily deduce that the NAACP’s “bring a photo ID” is more of a suggestion rather than a requirement.” Like all the other “DO’s” are suggestions? Such as, looking after the elderly or knowing what bus to get on? Those are mere suggestions? Weak, Ronald. Very weak.
Fret not, Ronald; the blue ribbon for scams still goes to “if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. Period”. No one scams like a liberal, just as the liberal lie of positive ID acting as voter suppression is another great liberal scam. No one scams like a scammer.
obamarhhea
10 years ago
@This one: i believe greggie has spanked you way to hard with his hairbrush
obamarhhea
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: rjw tea baggee commander says regurgitate while he regurgitates left wing lies like Linda Blair in the Exorcist
Ditto
10 years ago
The simple reason why a student ID is not an acceptable identification to vote, is because colleges do not only have US Citizens as students, they usually have foreign students as well. Nor do Student ID’s have any requirement to verify if the Student is eligible to vote. (Ex Felons for instance, can become college students, however unless a Judge reinstates their rights they are ineligible to vote.)
Ronald J. Ward
10 years ago
@Ditto: The reason the student ID isn’t acceptable is the same reason that just this week, Florida Gov. Rick Scott intentionally burdened college students with making it inconvenient for them to vote on campus, despite the campus areas met the state’s voting place guidelines, forcing them to walk (since most don’t have cars)5 to 10 miles to be able to vote.
And the list goes on. We all know the true drivers of the voter ID scam.
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: The reason student ID is not acceptable is because it is nothing but a student ID. It identifies the student as a student, not a citizen or valid voter. A CHL license, for instance, represents a state and FBI background check.
Drivers licenses are even becoming suspect, in some states, as they are allowed to be held by illegal immigrants, unless the DL is specifically marked as being for an illegal immigrant, which I am sure would be deemed “racist”.
Just think, Ronald, if the left had not tried so many scams to register those ineligible to vote and to skew the vote in several areas, we probably would not be discussing this. Nice job, liberals. Maybe instead of trying to manipulate the results in so many ways, Democrats could present policies that appeal to those other than the far, radical left.
Ronald J, Ward
10 years ago
@Bill Burris: I would say that was a nice dodge from my Florida student disenfranchisment argument but it was rather lame.
Want to talk about Rs like Gov Walker shutting down voting areas in highly Dem populated areas while opening new ones in R areas? Probably not. Or you didn’t know that and need proof or, or something.
Want to discuss how R states using the voter ID scam to penalize voter drive groups? Didn’t think so.
Care to explain why R states refuse to repair the glitch where seniors can’t get an ID without a birth certificate AND can’t get a birth certificate without an ID? You didn’t know, right?
Want to talk about North Carolina or the Florida “purge”?
Please explain why so many R lawmakers have openly admitted that the objective is to discourage elderly, students, and minorities from voting as a useful tool in winning elections. I suspect your response will be another covering of the ears and singing “la la la” while play dumb and not know anything about that.
One has to wonder why R states have restricted voting hours and registration access when statistics proves it encourages voting. I think we both know the answer.
And why has a pretty much “do nothing” party gone to such great extents to fix a nonexestent problem? Sure you can understand why some could argue that something doesn’t pass the smell test,
All of those and more are tucked away in the laws you defend as Voter ID.
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@Ronald J, Ward: No, Ronald, by all means, give it your best shot. In fact, I have searched for any information about this to gain an insight and explanation of it, but have come up empty. If you have anything (other than the thinkprogress or other Soros-funded disinformation sources, which I will refuse to consider) to help, please provide it.
We will also discuss how Democrats have sought to disenfranchise the votes of our military overseas:
Now, even though the military notoriously votes conservative, denying, in any way, to any extent, those out on the fronts protecting us their right to vote is despicable, and leave it to liberals to attempt it. It was the reason the 2000 vote in Florida was close enough to worry about hanging chads; Democrats there excluded many of the overseas military votes.
Next, we have this administration using the IRS (evidence is building to that conclusion and in the absence of the administration seriously addressing the evidence, it must be the conclusion) to suppress any kind of organized activity that has the taint of conservatism about it. In addition, they are using the IRS to distribute private information to campaign entities to use in attack ads. Nothing wrong about that, Ronald? Despite how repulsive I find such actions by our government, I truly hope the left gets to experience a taste of what they have inflicted on conservative groups just so I could hear the wailing and cries of how unjust and unlawful it would then be. But, I expect more respect for the law and the people out of conservatives, so I am sure that dream will go unfulfilled.
“Care to explain why R states refuse to repair the glitch where seniors can’t get an ID without a birth certificate AND can’t get a birth certificate without an ID? You didn’t know, right?” Well, Ronald, it may come as a surprise to you, but no one anywhere can get a drivers license or any other acceptable ID without a birth certificate. It is the first step. Heck, in Texas a birth certificate is required to PLAY YOUTH BASEBALL! Is this disenfranchising the poor who want to play little league?
The recent elections in Texas had no negative impact caused by voter ID. In fact, turnout was up.
I have seen the arguments of those afraid of the impact positive ID will have on voter fraud, claiming there are thousands without ID who have no means of transportation, no friends or relatives, no access to facilities, no possibility of getting an approved voter ID. Like your arguments, these are the lamest of the lame. If photo ID is required to get government benefits for those in poverty, how is requiring a photo ID excluding the poverty stricken and how can any Republican be assured they are only restricting Democrat voters? Anyone who draw an income or depends upon the government for sustenance MUST already have a photo ID.
In short, Ronald, the left wing argument against requiring a positive ID to vote (this from those who appear to embrace technological advance but, obviously, only when such technology can be manipulated to their favor) is nothing but an exposure of how desperately they need the door to voter fraud to remain open.
You assume the NAACP is only suggesting a photo ID with no actual proof.
Then you completely ignore the glaring fact that the leftist trope about voter ID being racist – supposedly because minorities have some sort of minority only barriers to getting a valid photo ID – is completely destroyed by the NAACP requiting photo ID for their overwhelmingly minority members to get into their meeting. Not to mention the convenient amnesia you leftists get over Mandela enacting photo ID to vote in his country.
You leftists are so desperate to be able to commit voter fraud that even when a state photo ID voting law is passed – as it was in Texas – that pays the fee for people to get a photo ID if they cannot afford it, you still lie and spew your cries of “racism!”
The only reason the left opposes photo ID voting laws is because it will significantly decrease their ability to steal elections.
The only reason the left opposes photo ID voting laws is because it will significantly decrease their ability to steal elections.
Since voter fraud, and the disenfranchisement of minority voters, happens most frequently in minority districts and precincts, the Democrats are simply lying about their reason to fight voter I.D. laws. Just Google “East St. Louis, Illinois voter fraud convictions.”
Why do you so enjoy making yourself look ridiculous?
He can’t help himself, he’s a lib.
Redteam
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: Damn RJW, you left out your speech about Walt’s Dog. And you didn’t even mention your teabagging boyfriend, and you left out ‘trolls’ and ‘rubber/glue’ and ‘scockspuppets’. OFA is gonna fire your ass if you don’t get more of their talking points in your communique’s. Get with it Boy.
Some possible reasons come to mind:
1 — Does not take any real effort!
2 — Can blame someone else!
3 — Hungry for feed!
Add to that:
4 – totally indoctrinated in the liberal/progressive/leftist lies
5 – too stupid to know better
6 – likes the taste of his foot as he shoves it in his mouth
No, Ronald, by all means, give it your best shot. In fact, I have searched for any information about this to gain an insight and explanation of it, but have come up empty.
RJW expects us to take his word on all the OFA talking points he spews. Such as his claim that students have to walk five to ten miles to vote. Ridiculous, as colleges I know of are located on prime real estate within cities. Not five to ten miles out of town.
The next favorite vote scam RJW will likely try to toss our way is the Democrat push for internet voting. Considering that nearly every department of our Federal government (including the Pentagon) has been hacked, it would be idiotic to think that internet voting will be secure. It is my opinion that the reason Democrats really want internet voting is so that their own hacker cohorts can commit vote fraud on a massive scale never seen before. And Obama would likely remove the country of origin protection so that foreign hackers could join in on the undermining of our election system.
RJW will likely try to toss our way is the Democrat push for internet voting.
Wait a minute Ditto. Dimocrats can’t get Photo ID’s to vote because they can’t afford them, and none of them have cars on college campus’s( not sure how they can afford college, must be on the public dole) so they have to walk 5 to 10 miles to vote and now we are supposed to believe some of them might actually have internet, so they can vote?
I know, we can require them to have a photo ID to get internet. That should do it.
Then we can send Walt’s dog, Pluto, out there to be a guide dog for RJW and his teabaggee friend to get to the internet cafe so they can vote.
Maybe we have found the answer.
JustAl
10 years ago
Still feeding trolls here I see.
The hypocrisy of the NAACP is as obvious as the racism in it’s name. Let the loons twist, turn and spin all they want. Stop responding to them and they’ll go spread their venom somewhere else.
Ronald J. Ward
10 years ago
@Bill Burris: You searched for information but came up empty? That doesn’t make a great deal of sense as either you use a prejudiced browser or you’re incredibly stupid.
1) Why was there an all out push to have such a controversial fight to solve a nonexistent problem? (.0002% voter fraud or you’re 39 times more likely to be struck by lightning)
2) Why have most Republican states refused to work with Universities in order to except student IDs? However, in Texas, a concealed weapons permit (applies to more Republicans) is acceptable where a university ID is not.
3) Why would Governors, after learning that Democratic area DMVs were bottle necked with applicants, intentionally close said DMVs yet open more in GOP precincts?
4) Why the barriers for registration. The GOP seems to follow a playbook state to state discouraging drives such as Rock the Vote and the League of Women Voters with huge fines and/or imprisonment for minute and irrelevant glitches or failure to turn in a registration within 48 hours?
5) Why have states, after researching that many of the poor, elderly, and college students often wait until closer to voting date to register, eliminate same day registration or move registration deadlines further from the voting date?
6) Why wouldn’t states do something to correct the problem that many can’t get a photo ID without a birth certificate but they can’t get a birth certificate without a photo ID?
7) Why have several states prohibited ex-felons(which again, seldom vote for GOP) of nonviolent or less severe crimes from voting?
At the end of the day, everything validates the intention to suppress the Democratic voters. And all the GOP can do is cry “voter fraud” which is non existent. Even many legislators such as State Sen. Chuck McIlhinney (R-PA) has openly admitted that there’s no evidence of fraud yet like others, he was pushing it anyway.
House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R-PA) that the House’s intention on Voter ID was for political gain, even admitting; “We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years, Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.” The AP reported that SC voter I.D. law “appears to be hitting black precincts in the state the hardest.” Wesley Donehue, a political strategist for the South Carolina Senate Republican Caucus, foolishly took to twitter with a quote saying the story “proves EXACTLY why we need Voter ID in SC.” So the guy that championed the very law, made the admission that his state needed the law, not for voter fraud, but rather because it was hitting black precincts. And I can list more examples.
You completely ignored NC and FL (other than to suggest it’s perfectly fine to force college kids to drive 10 miles to vote because, uh, well, they have cars, or , or something spectacularly stupid). You admit to not having the ability to search and find where NC Voter ID law reduces early voting, cuts out 2 Sundays where heavy African-American churches hold “Souls to the Polls” get-out-the-vote drives, and then limits early voting to only 1 booth per county. The same so-called Voter ID law ends same day registration, penalizing parents of students who register to vote where they go to college, disenfranchising ex-felons of minor offenses, and ends straight ticket voting which state statistics identified 300,000 more Democrats use than Republicans.
The fact that conservatives are intentionally disenfranchising Democrats isn’t even arguable, we know it. It’s obvious and they even admit it. And honestly, I’m not even saying I blame them as they’re doing what they have to do to win elections. But just don’t be so blindly stupid to expect people of reasonable intellect to buy into your “Voter ID” or that dead people vote or dogs vote or that there’s a voter fraud problem. It just makes you appear like raging idiots. And considering the regular context of your unhinged rants, you really don’t need any additional help.
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: Ronald J. Ward: You cannot even provide a link to an issue you brought up and you call ME stupid? This leads me to believe that you are one of those liberals who create a lie and then whip it into something that looks like an actual issue (like the “war on women” diversion). Are you that kind of liar, Ronald?
Speaking of stupid (perhaps incredibly so), I explained why a college ID is not acceptable while a CHL license is. For a college ID, you enroll, you show up and have your picture taken. You are now in possession of an ID. Are there any background checks done? Do you present a birth certificate to confirm who you are or if you are even a citizen?
To apply for a CHL, you must submit finger prints, present your valid drivers license (for which a birth certificate is required) and a background check is conducted by both the state and the FBI. So, yeah, a CHL is a valid ID.
Notice how you totally ignored the disenfranchisement of those serving in the military while you worry about a bunch that might not even be citizens or residents of the state in which they are voting. But, of course, real disenfranchisement doesn’t matter to a liberal when those being disenfranchised actually care about the future of the country rather than some far left “fundamental transformation” from success to failure.
Stupid is as stupid votes for Obama and consumes the left wing idiotic party line.
Ronald J. Ward
10 years ago
@Bill Burris: In fairness, there’s a tremendous amount that you conveniently avoided as well, under some inability to Google or because Obama is just bad or some other silly distraction.
The reality is that Voter ID is all about voter disenfranchisement. It’s about creating laws to make it more difficult, more inconvenient, and less likely for Democrats in Democratic precincts to be able to vote. It’s about manipulating a non existent problem under an acceptable concept of requiring an ID to vote and then attaching obstacles to folks that are statistically likely to vote against Republicans.
Now, Redteam can continue his animated dog theories and elementary homosexual innuendos and you can cover your ears and sing “la la la” (to numerous admissions from GOP officials, voter drive intimidation, closing Dem DMVs, intentional longer lines, moving voting polls from campuses, eliminating early registration and early voting, the FL purge, NC laws, and the list goes on) all you want but it just doesn’t change the argument.
And you can continue your non sequitur Obama/Dem bashing pep rallies in your delusional corner of the world but it doesn’t change reality in the real world (where browsers work for even things you don’t want to hear or every channel doesn’t consist of Sean Hannity and/or Mike savage).
The right wing voter ID push is just another dishonest scam, just as I’ve argued in my original #10 comment.
The voter ID scam is indeed a whopper of a lie in order to steal elections. I’d rate it above “death panels” yet not quite up there with Paul Ryan being a soup kitchen dish washer, maybe somewhere between Obamacare will kill 2.5 million jobs and Keystone will create “hundreds of thousands” of jobs.
“Death panels” was a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
Ryan’s dish washing was a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
ACA killing 2.5 million jobs was a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
Keystone creating hundreds of thousands of jobs was a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
(we’ve now learned from the official report that the total number is 35 full time and 15 part time but wait, your browser doesn’t pick that up and you didn’t find that on Moonbattery.com or on obama_is_a_communist.com so it can’t be true).
Voter ID fighting voter fraud is a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
There’s not an iota of honesty in any of those conservative pushed lies yet you and your ilk spin in circles saying something about Walt’s dog and tea bagging a buddy or “Obama’s just bad” or some other nonsensical gibberish to distract from the fact that you are abject liars simply promoting blatant lies.
People of reasonable intellect understand this.
Voter fraud? The real frauds are you, which I expose on a regular bases.
The reality is that Voter ID is all about voter disenfranchisement. It’s about creating laws to make it more difficult, more inconvenient, and less likely for Democrats in Democratic precincts to be able to vote. It’s about manipulating a non existent problem under an acceptable concept of requiring an ID to vote and then attaching obstacles to folks that are statistically likely to vote against Republicans.
The truth of the issue is a) most voter fraud takes place in Democratic Party strongholds, which are generally minority districts and precincts; b) when that vote fraud takes place, it is minorities that are disenfranchised and have their vote cancelled out.
The DNC has no other tactic but to shout “RACISM” as it has worked so well for them in the past. But if I.D. is so difficult to obtain, and the Democratic Party is so inclusive, explain why you cannot get into a DNC convention, both state and national, without a photo I.D.? Are they not “disenfranchising” those who want to attend but have no photo I.D?
But since you seem to have all the answers, how do you solve these problems:
Student lives in Illinois but goes to school in New York. Has absentee ballot sent to him in New York, then registers, using Illinois campus address to register in Illinois, then votes on election day in Illinois?
Retiree lives in New York, but spends the winters in Florida. Is registered in both states and votes, using absentee ballot for one state, in both states?
Absentee ballots are sent out to seniors. County registrar, a Democrat hack, notifies a party worker when the ballots have been sent to senior nursing homes. Party worker then appears at nursing homes, offering to help seniors fill out their ballots, voting for them. It called “vote mining”. How do you prevent that?
Are minorities disenfranchised when they have to show a photo I.D. to open a bank account, rent a movie, buy a bottle of booze, apply for unemployment, food stamps, TANF, or any other social welfare benefit, or board a plane? Are they being disenfranchised when charged a nominal fee for the replacement of their birth certificate in order to get a free state issued photo I.D. when they are allowed to use TANF money to purchase a TV, cell phone, ect?
You progressives don’t give a damn about poor minorities. You only care about being able to continue the use of Box 13. And I challenge you to provide even one scenario where a person, who is a legal citizen of the U.S. and a legal resident of a county, could not obtain a photo I.D. What would prevent them from getting a free photo I.D. issued by the state they live in?
mathman2
10 years ago
RJW: do you ever read anything other than the talking points issued by the White House?
“Voter ID is all about voter disenfranchisement.” No, it is about providing a means whereby legal citizens can exercise their right to vote ONCE. It is about denying the labor unions the ability to stuff ballot boxes and elect cretins such as “Sen.” Franken by the use of lost ballots from the trunk of a car. Others have posted lists of activities for which one needs a valid ID. When a person without ID cannot board an interstate bus or serve on a jury (or even march in an NAACP rally), the conclusion would be that Voter ID is useful for other activities than voting.
Were you able to provide specific evidence of an individual being denied a State photo ID based on that person’s race, creed, color, gender, or sexual orientation, your claim might possibly have some merit. For your information, the Poll Tax has long been outlawed, as have literacy tests.
I once lived in Prince Georges County, Maryland. To vote in local elections there, one had to register in Upper Marlboro, MD, a location not accessible to public transit. That office was open once a year. Now THAT was voter disenfranchisement.
Death Panels are in the AAPCA act. Read the bill. These are the anonymous persons who will decide what care will be provided, and to whom. The bill does not call them death panels, yet that is their function. Who lives, who dies?
The loss of 2.5 million jobs because of AAPCA is not a fiction; the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has provided us with this figure.
As for the Keystone pipeline, you didn’t build that. Somebody else built that. Lots of somebodys. And building a pipeline is serious work. Those are jobs. I fail to believe that 35 full-time and 15 part-time persons can build such a structure.
“Abject liars promoting blatant lies?” Who writes your screeds, Al Franken?
I fail to believe that 35 full-time and 15 part-time persons can build such a structure.
If somewhere in my writings I gave you an impression that I had an iota concern of what yet another obvious sock puppet on an obvious dishonest and hostile web site as this believed, obviously I failed to relay my meaning.
05, do you serious believe I read your diatribes?
obamarhhea
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: in between being on the recieving end of teabagging sessions you should think about this point you brought up ,if a state passes voter i.d how does that only affect libs?do they only have to show one no one else?do you think poll watchers just wave conservatives on while shaking libs down?it affects everyone in the state
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: One has to wonder about the viewpoint that everything Republicans do, though having a benign and inconsequential appearance, is evil and conniving while everything the current batch of liberals does, though having every appearance (and effect) of undermining personal liberties and privacy, is to be ignored.
As I said (twice), if you would direct me to a link to this nefarious scheme to prevent college students from voting, I would read it and try and determine, for myself, the motive. However, in the absence of any link (I searched for “Florida Governor Scott restricting voting on college campus” with no results), I have to say you are simply full of shit. (my apologies to everyone else whose actual sensitivities I am actually concerned about)
For all your ranting, you know what I think? Why, that’s just a bunch of them there phony scandals, that’s what that is!!!
There have been no Republican efforts to disenfranchise voters, there are no Republican efforts to disenfranchise voters and there will be no efforts by Republicans to disenfranchise voters. The abuses all come from the left hand side of the aisle and you cannot stand the fact that, while your efforts have failed, they have raised significant alarms signals that have resulted in pro-active measures to prevent further fraud. Go back to trashing military votes; it’s all your good at.
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@obamarhhea: I have asked that very same specific question numerous times and never get an answer. It appears that when the leftists were creating this “voter disenfranchisement” and “voter suppression” fantasy to try and keep the door to voter fraud open, they failed to anticipate such a simple question.
Ronald J. Ward
10 years ago
@obamarhhea: You ignore the many obstacles put in place in the Voter ID scam such as voter registration intimidation, intentionally closing already bottle necked Dem polling areas while funding more for Rep leaning districts, closing early voting that has proven to draw more Dem voters, the admissions of leaders that the law has successfully curtailed Dem voters-which they admit was their objective, as well as the many other arguments that you guys pretend aren’t there while simply pretending that requiring an ID is the only issue.@Bill Burris: “Florida Governor Scott restricting voting on college campus” pulls up 20,700,000 links on Google with the top of them producing multiple Fl state news sources. So who in fact is being dishonest here?
And you still run from every single argument while standing behind your exposed dishonesty.
obamarhhea
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: how can repubs control traffic in dem precincts tb?
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: Indeed it does. However, how many deal with the issue you mention? As far as I can tell, the thinkprogress, which I refuse to consider (being funded by the Nazi-sympathizer, Soros), which I made clear. Many others I opened and read only to find they addressed far different issues.
And, dare you mention “intimidation”? Remember the NBP threatening white voters in Pennsylvania with a night stick, which was proven in court but thrown out by Holder? As I already stated, real injustices don’t concern you leftists, only those that can be invented for political gain.
So, why is it so hard to provide YOUR source?
obamarhhea
10 years ago
@Bill Burris: i guess being threatened with a night stick isn’t threatening to rjwtb,maybe a source of pleasure instead?did the rebubs intimidate the people living in dem princincts into voting for president bob at a rate of 110 percent?
Ronald J. Ward
10 years ago
@Bill Burris: Why is it so hard for you to simply admit that Republicans have used the Voter ID issue to enact laws to make it harder for Democrats to vote?
It’s not like that statement isn’t true. We all know that many inclusions in the Voter ID laws were and are for those purposes. What’s so hard about admitting the obvious? Is it that the thought of me being right is so repulsive to you that you can’t let that happen? Is it because you are that overcome by the koolaid?
The inclusions I’ve mentioned, the voter purging as well as what Rick Scott in FL and the NC laws promote are indeed opportune times for GOP leaders to add language that impedes Dem voting and gives Rs an edge at winning elections. In the real world, it isn’t even arguable. As I’ve mentioned, GOP leaders that actually wrote and/or promoted the laws have openly admitted their intentions.
It’s a very true statement. Just as it’s very true that conservatives lied about ACA killing 2.5 million jobs or claiming that Keystone would create hundreds of thousands of full time jobs or that ACA would have “death panel” or that Paul Ryan washes dishes in soup kitchens.
They are all lies, intentional orchestrated lies. Why are you and your genuflecting cohorts so afraid to admit reality?
Why is it so hard for you to simply admit that Republicans have used the Voter ID issue to enact laws to make it harder for Democrats to vote?
Since you refuse to answer my questions about how you would prevent voter fraud, perhaps you can explain to all of us how Voter I.D. laws specifically target Democrats, and not Republicans.
Bill Burris
10 years ago
@Ronald J. Ward: “Why is it so hard for you to simply admit that Republicans have used the Voter ID issue to enact laws to make it harder for Democrats to vote?” Why is it so hard for you to provide even a “smidgen” (to coin a term) of proof that it is even going on? As is asked, multiple time, how would Republicans be targeting Democrats in this dastardly scheme? Now, it is easy to see how Democrats vote multiple times, inflate voting rosters by registering bogus names or the same person 70 times, or how they multiply names to get Obama and Hillary on petitions for candidates, but how would anyone target a specific voting block by requiring positive ID? Especially when almost ALL already have the required ID and the governments in question (by you) offer free services to fulfill the needs of those without?
You, meanwhile, do not address the Democrat strategy of targeting the military, a viable target, since they vote overwhelmingly Republican.
You need a new boogie-man; this one quit and left you stranded.
Ronald J. Ward
10 years ago
@retire05: Considering your short distraction, I decided to read it.
Since you refuse to answer my questions about how you would prevent voter fraud, perhaps you can explain to all of us how Voter I.D. laws specifically target Democrats, and not Republicans.
I did explain. Repeatedly. Voter purging, closing Dem precincts while opening R precincts, eliminating early registration and early voting, penalizing voter drive groups, prohibiting minor offense cons from voting, alienating state universities as acceptable voting areas, the flaws of FL and NC laws. You ignore these and others and are evasive and distracting because Voter ID laws are used to include measures having nothing to do with IDs. You and know this. Hell, everyone including the law’s authors know it. They’ve admitted it, as I’ve pointed out.
Why do you deny that Republicans didn’t use this issue to intentionally disenfranchise the elderly, minorities, the poor, and students? Of course they did. They no longer try to hide it, they even proudly own up to it. Why can’t you? I mean, if you and/or your cohorts or Dr. John could man up to reality when you’re caught red handed, maybe some of your snake oil could be taken with a few pounds of salt on other occasions.
But when you stand blindly behind obvious distortion and lies, it only makes sense that nothing you say can be considered trustworthy.
Ronald J. Ward
10 years ago
@Bill Burris: You see, that’s actually an admission that you’re caught red handed. You can’t admit your blatant dishonesty and you think that finding some “gotcha/you do it to” somehow validates your dishonesty while putting the ball back in my court.
I’m not the one who created this thread and inflated the lie that Voter ID was intended to curve voter fraud. That would be you guys.
I’m not the one that created threads last week spreading lies that the CBO’s report says ACA will kill 2.5 million jobs. That would be you guys.
I’m not the one who has echoed “death panels” as if the elderly and disabled children would be hurdled up and taken in front of some panel that would determine their fate after hearing their pleas. That would be you guys.
I’m not the one that’s been promoting that Keystone would create hundreds of thousands of full time jobs when the numbers now tell us it’s 35. That nonsense came from the GOP and similar right wing blogs as this.
Now, you can easily find some fault of Dems or some lie or such that they’ve promoted but that just doesn’t mean your lies now have merit. And simply because I won’t bite on your distractions and join in on your bash fest, doesn’t mean your dishonesty becomes honest.
Again, you are the ones promoting these lies, not me. And considering they are in fact lies and you are in fact called out on them, why can’t you either man up and admit it?
Now, Redteam can continue his animated dog theories and elementary homosexual innuendos
Wait a minute there RJW, you told me you weren’t reading my comments any longer. I think your teabaggee friend got tired of you running him down and sent Pluto over there to bite you in the butt.
Well, if they are right about how hard it is to get photo id, they’ll have a very low turnout.
Not to mention that they (the marchers) have to be told how to act in a proper way and to not bring weapons with them.
I’m sure that’s in case they are arrested. But in Texas you can no longer use a students ID but NRA card is fine. Idiots.
http://politic365.com/2012/08/30/nra-card-ok-but-not-student-id-fed-court-blocks-texas-voter-id-law/
12 Very Real Voter-Suppression Tactics Experts Now Worry Will Come Back:
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/06/12-very-real-voter-suppression-tactics-experts-now-worry-will-come-back/6057/
@This one:
You’re truly pathetic, this one. Instead of going directly to the source, you buy into any left wing lie that is put out on the internet. And if you were not such a simpleton, you would know that an NRA membership card does NOT have the person’s picture on it, so how would that serve as a PHOTO I.D.?
Here is what is accepted:
•Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) (which has a photo)
•Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS (which has a photo)
•Texas personal identification card issued by DPS (which has a photo)
•Texas concealed handgun license issued by DPS (which has a photo)
•United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph
•United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
•United States passport (which has a photo)
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/about/newsreleases/2013/062513.shtml
Why do you so enjoy making yourself look ridiculous?
@This one: Speaking of idiots, I read the article and noted that nowhere in it (aside from the title) was NRA cards or studen ID’s mentioned. Gee, I wonder why they were used in the title? Perhaps to draw attention of idiots who only notice headlines and talking points?
As the NAACP requirements point out, photo ID’s among blacks, for one, are neither rare or hard to get. The entire, sole and most important reason to oppose positive photo voter ID is to leave the door open to perpetrate more fraud.
As to the second link, please note that the racist Democrats of old no longer control the political situation in Texas. So, there is no fear of a return to the racist discrimination institutionalized by Democrats.
Apparently, only conservatives believe anyone is capable of getting a photo ID. Liberals assume their constituents are too lame and stupid to accomplish this monumental fete. Further, as I have asked, repeatedly, in the Dallas Morning News blog and letters, please explain how it is possible only to target DEMOCRAT voters? To date, there is no answer, other that the above mentioned assumption by liberals; liberals are simply too lazy and dumb to get one. After all, they can always blame someone else.
From The Economist:
[T]he results of the November elections in Texas surprised both sides. More than 1.1m Texans voted: turnout was two-thirds higher than in the previous off-year election. Whatever Democrats say, that hardly suggests widespread voter suppression. Republicans note that it is not hard to get a photo ID: Texans without driving licences can get voter-ID cards free from the state. Or they can use their concealed-handgun licence, naturally.
@This one: You link drivel like that and call others idiots? If brains were c4 you couldn’t blow your nose.
This fits right in with Nelson Mandela enacting voter ID laws in SA when he was president there. And the photo ID requirement to get into the DNC convention. If leftists had any integrity the would be protesting the racism of the TSA requirement for a photo ID to get on an airplane.
@Pete:
They don’t.
They won’t.
Anyone of reasonable intellect can easily deduce that the NAACP’s “bring a photo ID” is more of a suggestion rather than a requirement.
But hell, what does honesty have to do with anything among today’s so-called conservatives?
The voter ID scam is indeed a whopper of a lie in order to steal elections. I’d rate it above “death panels” yet not quite up there with Paul Ryan being a soup kitchen dish washer, maybe somewhere between Obamacare will kill 2.5 million jobs and Keystone will create “hundreds of thousands” of jobs.
But the amazing thing is that the same ole blind partisan hacks will be right back regurgitating the same old lies despite the fact that everyone knows they’re abject liars. They don’t even try to hide their dishonesty anymore, perhaps because they’ve finally learned to just be comfortable in their own skin.
Leave it to RJW to try to convince you that “shall” really means “may.”
Yeah, that’s why after the voter I.D. laws in Texas went into effect, it had the highest minority voter participation rate of any off year election on record. Minority voters in Texas now know that in their precincts, where voter fraud is the highest, their vote will actually count and they won’t have it disenfranchised by some voter fraud who lives down the street. No more dead voters in Sheila Jackson Lee’s district. Imagine that, minority votes now are actually counting.
I wonder when Eric Holder will start suing the banking industry because banks require a person to show photo I.D. to open an account.
@Ronald J. Ward:”Anyone of reasonable intellect can easily deduce that the NAACP’s “bring a photo ID” is more of a suggestion rather than a requirement.” Like all the other “DO’s” are suggestions? Such as, looking after the elderly or knowing what bus to get on? Those are mere suggestions? Weak, Ronald. Very weak.
Fret not, Ronald; the blue ribbon for scams still goes to “if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. Period”. No one scams like a liberal, just as the liberal lie of positive ID acting as voter suppression is another great liberal scam. No one scams like a scammer.
@This one: i believe greggie has spanked you way to hard with his hairbrush
@Ronald J. Ward: rjw tea baggee commander says regurgitate while he regurgitates left wing lies like Linda Blair in the Exorcist
The simple reason why a student ID is not an acceptable identification to vote, is because colleges do not only have US Citizens as students, they usually have foreign students as well. Nor do Student ID’s have any requirement to verify if the Student is eligible to vote. (Ex Felons for instance, can become college students, however unless a Judge reinstates their rights they are ineligible to vote.)
@Ditto: The reason the student ID isn’t acceptable is the same reason that just this week, Florida Gov. Rick Scott intentionally burdened college students with making it inconvenient for them to vote on campus, despite the campus areas met the state’s voting place guidelines, forcing them to walk (since most don’t have cars)5 to 10 miles to be able to vote.
And the list goes on. We all know the true drivers of the voter ID scam.
@Ronald J. Ward: The reason student ID is not acceptable is because it is nothing but a student ID. It identifies the student as a student, not a citizen or valid voter. A CHL license, for instance, represents a state and FBI background check.
Drivers licenses are even becoming suspect, in some states, as they are allowed to be held by illegal immigrants, unless the DL is specifically marked as being for an illegal immigrant, which I am sure would be deemed “racist”.
Just think, Ronald, if the left had not tried so many scams to register those ineligible to vote and to skew the vote in several areas, we probably would not be discussing this. Nice job, liberals. Maybe instead of trying to manipulate the results in so many ways, Democrats could present policies that appeal to those other than the far, radical left.
@Bill Burris: I would say that was a nice dodge from my Florida student disenfranchisment argument but it was rather lame.
Want to talk about Rs like Gov Walker shutting down voting areas in highly Dem populated areas while opening new ones in R areas? Probably not. Or you didn’t know that and need proof or, or something.
Want to discuss how R states using the voter ID scam to penalize voter drive groups? Didn’t think so.
Care to explain why R states refuse to repair the glitch where seniors can’t get an ID without a birth certificate AND can’t get a birth certificate without an ID? You didn’t know, right?
Want to talk about North Carolina or the Florida “purge”?
Please explain why so many R lawmakers have openly admitted that the objective is to discourage elderly, students, and minorities from voting as a useful tool in winning elections. I suspect your response will be another covering of the ears and singing “la la la” while play dumb and not know anything about that.
One has to wonder why R states have restricted voting hours and registration access when statistics proves it encourages voting. I think we both know the answer.
And why has a pretty much “do nothing” party gone to such great extents to fix a nonexestent problem? Sure you can understand why some could argue that something doesn’t pass the smell test,
All of those and more are tucked away in the laws you defend as Voter ID.
@Ronald J, Ward: No, Ronald, by all means, give it your best shot. In fact, I have searched for any information about this to gain an insight and explanation of it, but have come up empty. If you have anything (other than the thinkprogress or other Soros-funded disinformation sources, which I will refuse to consider) to help, please provide it.
We will also discuss how Democrats have sought to disenfranchise the votes of our military overseas:
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Ohio-military-vote-Democrats/2012/08/03/id/447552
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/05/flashback-dems-disqualified-military-ballots-in-2000
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/26/obama-accused-of-suppressing-military-vote-by-withholding-absentee-ballots/
Now, even though the military notoriously votes conservative, denying, in any way, to any extent, those out on the fronts protecting us their right to vote is despicable, and leave it to liberals to attempt it. It was the reason the 2000 vote in Florida was close enough to worry about hanging chads; Democrats there excluded many of the overseas military votes.
Next, we have this administration using the IRS (evidence is building to that conclusion and in the absence of the administration seriously addressing the evidence, it must be the conclusion) to suppress any kind of organized activity that has the taint of conservatism about it. In addition, they are using the IRS to distribute private information to campaign entities to use in attack ads. Nothing wrong about that, Ronald? Despite how repulsive I find such actions by our government, I truly hope the left gets to experience a taste of what they have inflicted on conservative groups just so I could hear the wailing and cries of how unjust and unlawful it would then be. But, I expect more respect for the law and the people out of conservatives, so I am sure that dream will go unfulfilled.
“Care to explain why R states refuse to repair the glitch where seniors can’t get an ID without a birth certificate AND can’t get a birth certificate without an ID? You didn’t know, right?” Well, Ronald, it may come as a surprise to you, but no one anywhere can get a drivers license or any other acceptable ID without a birth certificate. It is the first step. Heck, in Texas a birth certificate is required to PLAY YOUTH BASEBALL! Is this disenfranchising the poor who want to play little league?
The recent elections in Texas had no negative impact caused by voter ID. In fact, turnout was up.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20131101-early-voting-turnout-high-in-dallas-county-with-id-law-in-effect.ece
I have seen the arguments of those afraid of the impact positive ID will have on voter fraud, claiming there are thousands without ID who have no means of transportation, no friends or relatives, no access to facilities, no possibility of getting an approved voter ID. Like your arguments, these are the lamest of the lame. If photo ID is required to get government benefits for those in poverty, how is requiring a photo ID excluding the poverty stricken and how can any Republican be assured they are only restricting Democrat voters? Anyone who draw an income or depends upon the government for sustenance MUST already have a photo ID.
http://libertybullhorn.com/2012/01/01/welfare-and-the-voter-id-debate/
Hell, in California, they get FINGERPRINTED.
http://www.sfis.ca.gov/id_req.html
In short, Ronald, the left wing argument against requiring a positive ID to vote (this from those who appear to embrace technological advance but, obviously, only when such technology can be manipulated to their favor) is nothing but an exposure of how desperately they need the door to voter fraud to remain open.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Classic leftist projection.
You assume the NAACP is only suggesting a photo ID with no actual proof.
Then you completely ignore the glaring fact that the leftist trope about voter ID being racist – supposedly because minorities have some sort of minority only barriers to getting a valid photo ID – is completely destroyed by the NAACP requiting photo ID for their overwhelmingly minority members to get into their meeting. Not to mention the convenient amnesia you leftists get over Mandela enacting photo ID to vote in his country.
You leftists are so desperate to be able to commit voter fraud that even when a state photo ID voting law is passed – as it was in Texas – that pays the fee for people to get a photo ID if they cannot afford it, you still lie and spew your cries of “racism!”
The only reason the left opposes photo ID voting laws is because it will significantly decrease their ability to steal elections.
@Pete:
Since voter fraud, and the disenfranchisement of minority voters, happens most frequently in minority districts and precincts, the Democrats are simply lying about their reason to fight voter I.D. laws. Just Google “East St. Louis, Illinois voter fraud convictions.”
@retire05: you said about ‘this one’
He can’t help himself, he’s a lib.
@Ronald J. Ward: Damn RJW, you left out your speech about Walt’s Dog. And you didn’t even mention your teabagging boyfriend, and you left out ‘trolls’ and ‘rubber/glue’ and ‘scockspuppets’. OFA is gonna fire your ass if you don’t get more of their talking points in your communique’s. Get with it Boy.
@Ronald J. Ward:
RJW, do you really believe that “most” college students don’t have cars? Hell, even Walt’s dog and your teabaggee friend knows better than that.
@Ronald J, Ward:
That sounds like D state Hawaii where Zippy has never been able to find his birth certificate. (you should get Walt’s dog on that one)
@retire05:You asked @DatOne:
Some possible reasons come to mind:
1 — Does not take any real effort!
2 — Can blame someone else!
3 — Hungry for feed!
@Budvarakbar: Eggzackly….
@Budvarakbar:
Some possible reasons come to mind:
1 — Does not take any real effort!
2 — Can blame someone else!
3 — Hungry for feed!
Add to that:
4 – totally indoctrinated in the liberal/progressive/leftist lies
5 – too stupid to know better
6 – likes the taste of his foot as he shoves it in his mouth
@Bill Burris:
RJW expects us to take his word on all the OFA talking points he spews. Such as his claim that students have to walk five to ten miles to vote. Ridiculous, as colleges I know of are located on prime real estate within cities. Not five to ten miles out of town.
The next favorite vote scam RJW will likely try to toss our way is the Democrat push for internet voting. Considering that nearly every department of our Federal government (including the Pentagon) has been hacked, it would be idiotic to think that internet voting will be secure. It is my opinion that the reason Democrats really want internet voting is so that their own hacker cohorts can commit vote fraud on a massive scale never seen before. And Obama would likely remove the country of origin protection so that foreign hackers could join in on the undermining of our election system.
@Ditto:
Wait a minute Ditto. Dimocrats can’t get Photo ID’s to vote because they can’t afford them, and none of them have cars on college campus’s( not sure how they can afford college, must be on the public dole) so they have to walk 5 to 10 miles to vote and now we are supposed to believe some of them might actually have internet, so they can vote?
I know, we can require them to have a photo ID to get internet. That should do it.
Then we can send Walt’s dog, Pluto, out there to be a guide dog for RJW and his teabaggee friend to get to the internet cafe so they can vote.
Maybe we have found the answer.
Still feeding trolls here I see.
The hypocrisy of the NAACP is as obvious as the racism in it’s name. Let the loons twist, turn and spin all they want. Stop responding to them and they’ll go spread their venom somewhere else.
@Bill Burris: You searched for information but came up empty? That doesn’t make a great deal of sense as either you use a prejudiced browser or you’re incredibly stupid.
1) Why was there an all out push to have such a controversial fight to solve a nonexistent problem? (.0002% voter fraud or you’re 39 times more likely to be struck by lightning)
2) Why have most Republican states refused to work with Universities in order to except student IDs? However, in Texas, a concealed weapons permit (applies to more Republicans) is acceptable where a university ID is not.
3) Why would Governors, after learning that Democratic area DMVs were bottle necked with applicants, intentionally close said DMVs yet open more in GOP precincts?
4) Why the barriers for registration. The GOP seems to follow a playbook state to state discouraging drives such as Rock the Vote and the League of Women Voters with huge fines and/or imprisonment for minute and irrelevant glitches or failure to turn in a registration within 48 hours?
5) Why have states, after researching that many of the poor, elderly, and college students often wait until closer to voting date to register, eliminate same day registration or move registration deadlines further from the voting date?
6) Why wouldn’t states do something to correct the problem that many can’t get a photo ID without a birth certificate but they can’t get a birth certificate without a photo ID?
7) Why have several states prohibited ex-felons(which again, seldom vote for GOP) of nonviolent or less severe crimes from voting?
At the end of the day, everything validates the intention to suppress the Democratic voters. And all the GOP can do is cry “voter fraud” which is non existent. Even many legislators such as State Sen. Chuck McIlhinney (R-PA) has openly admitted that there’s no evidence of fraud yet like others, he was pushing it anyway.
House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R-PA) that the House’s intention on Voter ID was for political gain, even admitting; “We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years, Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.” The AP reported that SC voter I.D. law “appears to be hitting black precincts in the state the hardest.” Wesley Donehue, a political strategist for the South Carolina Senate Republican Caucus, foolishly took to twitter with a quote saying the story “proves EXACTLY why we need Voter ID in SC.” So the guy that championed the very law, made the admission that his state needed the law, not for voter fraud, but rather because it was hitting black precincts. And I can list more examples.
You completely ignored NC and FL (other than to suggest it’s perfectly fine to force college kids to drive 10 miles to vote because, uh, well, they have cars, or , or something spectacularly stupid). You admit to not having the ability to search and find where NC Voter ID law reduces early voting, cuts out 2 Sundays where heavy African-American churches hold “Souls to the Polls” get-out-the-vote drives, and then limits early voting to only 1 booth per county. The same so-called Voter ID law ends same day registration, penalizing parents of students who register to vote where they go to college, disenfranchising ex-felons of minor offenses, and ends straight ticket voting which state statistics identified 300,000 more Democrats use than Republicans.
The fact that conservatives are intentionally disenfranchising Democrats isn’t even arguable, we know it. It’s obvious and they even admit it. And honestly, I’m not even saying I blame them as they’re doing what they have to do to win elections. But just don’t be so blindly stupid to expect people of reasonable intellect to buy into your “Voter ID” or that dead people vote or dogs vote or that there’s a voter fraud problem. It just makes you appear like raging idiots. And considering the regular context of your unhinged rants, you really don’t need any additional help.
@Ronald J. Ward: Ronald J. Ward: You cannot even provide a link to an issue you brought up and you call ME stupid? This leads me to believe that you are one of those liberals who create a lie and then whip it into something that looks like an actual issue (like the “war on women” diversion). Are you that kind of liar, Ronald?
Speaking of stupid (perhaps incredibly so), I explained why a college ID is not acceptable while a CHL license is. For a college ID, you enroll, you show up and have your picture taken. You are now in possession of an ID. Are there any background checks done? Do you present a birth certificate to confirm who you are or if you are even a citizen?
To apply for a CHL, you must submit finger prints, present your valid drivers license (for which a birth certificate is required) and a background check is conducted by both the state and the FBI. So, yeah, a CHL is a valid ID.
Notice how you totally ignored the disenfranchisement of those serving in the military while you worry about a bunch that might not even be citizens or residents of the state in which they are voting. But, of course, real disenfranchisement doesn’t matter to a liberal when those being disenfranchised actually care about the future of the country rather than some far left “fundamental transformation” from success to failure.
Stupid is as stupid votes for Obama and consumes the left wing idiotic party line.
@Bill Burris: In fairness, there’s a tremendous amount that you conveniently avoided as well, under some inability to Google or because Obama is just bad or some other silly distraction.
The reality is that Voter ID is all about voter disenfranchisement. It’s about creating laws to make it more difficult, more inconvenient, and less likely for Democrats in Democratic precincts to be able to vote. It’s about manipulating a non existent problem under an acceptable concept of requiring an ID to vote and then attaching obstacles to folks that are statistically likely to vote against Republicans.
Now, Redteam can continue his animated dog theories and elementary homosexual innuendos and you can cover your ears and sing “la la la” (to numerous admissions from GOP officials, voter drive intimidation, closing Dem DMVs, intentional longer lines, moving voting polls from campuses, eliminating early registration and early voting, the FL purge, NC laws, and the list goes on) all you want but it just doesn’t change the argument.
And you can continue your non sequitur Obama/Dem bashing pep rallies in your delusional corner of the world but it doesn’t change reality in the real world (where browsers work for even things you don’t want to hear or every channel doesn’t consist of Sean Hannity and/or Mike savage).
The right wing voter ID push is just another dishonest scam, just as I’ve argued in my original #10 comment.
“Death panels” was a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
Ryan’s dish washing was a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
ACA killing 2.5 million jobs was a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
Keystone creating hundreds of thousands of jobs was a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
(we’ve now learned from the official report that the total number is 35 full time and 15 part time but wait, your browser doesn’t pick that up and you didn’t find that on Moonbattery.com or on obama_is_a_communist.com so it can’t be true).
Voter ID fighting voter fraud is a deliberate and intentional lie from conservatives.
There’s not an iota of honesty in any of those conservative pushed lies yet you and your ilk spin in circles saying something about Walt’s dog and tea bagging a buddy or “Obama’s just bad” or some other nonsensical gibberish to distract from the fact that you are abject liars simply promoting blatant lies.
People of reasonable intellect understand this.
Voter fraud? The real frauds are you, which I expose on a regular bases.
@Ronald J. Ward:
The truth of the issue is a) most voter fraud takes place in Democratic Party strongholds, which are generally minority districts and precincts; b) when that vote fraud takes place, it is minorities that are disenfranchised and have their vote cancelled out.
The DNC has no other tactic but to shout “RACISM” as it has worked so well for them in the past. But if I.D. is so difficult to obtain, and the Democratic Party is so inclusive, explain why you cannot get into a DNC convention, both state and national, without a photo I.D.? Are they not “disenfranchising” those who want to attend but have no photo I.D?
But since you seem to have all the answers, how do you solve these problems:
Student lives in Illinois but goes to school in New York. Has absentee ballot sent to him in New York, then registers, using Illinois campus address to register in Illinois, then votes on election day in Illinois?
Retiree lives in New York, but spends the winters in Florida. Is registered in both states and votes, using absentee ballot for one state, in both states?
Absentee ballots are sent out to seniors. County registrar, a Democrat hack, notifies a party worker when the ballots have been sent to senior nursing homes. Party worker then appears at nursing homes, offering to help seniors fill out their ballots, voting for them. It called “vote mining”. How do you prevent that?
Are minorities disenfranchised when they have to show a photo I.D. to open a bank account, rent a movie, buy a bottle of booze, apply for unemployment, food stamps, TANF, or any other social welfare benefit, or board a plane? Are they being disenfranchised when charged a nominal fee for the replacement of their birth certificate in order to get a free state issued photo I.D. when they are allowed to use TANF money to purchase a TV, cell phone, ect?
You progressives don’t give a damn about poor minorities. You only care about being able to continue the use of Box 13. And I challenge you to provide even one scenario where a person, who is a legal citizen of the U.S. and a legal resident of a county, could not obtain a photo I.D. What would prevent them from getting a free photo I.D. issued by the state they live in?
RJW: do you ever read anything other than the talking points issued by the White House?
“Voter ID is all about voter disenfranchisement.” No, it is about providing a means whereby legal citizens can exercise their right to vote ONCE. It is about denying the labor unions the ability to stuff ballot boxes and elect cretins such as “Sen.” Franken by the use of lost ballots from the trunk of a car. Others have posted lists of activities for which one needs a valid ID. When a person without ID cannot board an interstate bus or serve on a jury (or even march in an NAACP rally), the conclusion would be that Voter ID is useful for other activities than voting.
Were you able to provide specific evidence of an individual being denied a State photo ID based on that person’s race, creed, color, gender, or sexual orientation, your claim might possibly have some merit. For your information, the Poll Tax has long been outlawed, as have literacy tests.
I once lived in Prince Georges County, Maryland. To vote in local elections there, one had to register in Upper Marlboro, MD, a location not accessible to public transit. That office was open once a year. Now THAT was voter disenfranchisement.
Death Panels are in the AAPCA act. Read the bill. These are the anonymous persons who will decide what care will be provided, and to whom. The bill does not call them death panels, yet that is their function. Who lives, who dies?
The loss of 2.5 million jobs because of AAPCA is not a fiction; the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has provided us with this figure.
As for the Keystone pipeline, you didn’t build that. Somebody else built that. Lots of somebodys. And building a pipeline is serious work. Those are jobs. I fail to believe that 35 full-time and 15 part-time persons can build such a structure.
“Abject liars promoting blatant lies?” Who writes your screeds, Al Franken?
@mathman2:
If somewhere in my writings I gave you an impression that I had an iota concern of what yet another obvious sock puppet on an obvious dishonest and hostile web site as this believed, obviously I failed to relay my meaning.
05, do you serious believe I read your diatribes?
@Ronald J. Ward: in between being on the recieving end of teabagging sessions you should think about this point you brought up ,if a state passes voter i.d how does that only affect libs?do they only have to show one no one else?do you think poll watchers just wave conservatives on while shaking libs down?it affects everyone in the state
@Ronald J. Ward: One has to wonder about the viewpoint that everything Republicans do, though having a benign and inconsequential appearance, is evil and conniving while everything the current batch of liberals does, though having every appearance (and effect) of undermining personal liberties and privacy, is to be ignored.
As I said (twice), if you would direct me to a link to this nefarious scheme to prevent college students from voting, I would read it and try and determine, for myself, the motive. However, in the absence of any link (I searched for “Florida Governor Scott restricting voting on college campus” with no results), I have to say you are simply full of shit. (my apologies to everyone else whose actual sensitivities I am actually concerned about)
For all your ranting, you know what I think? Why, that’s just a bunch of them there phony scandals, that’s what that is!!!
There have been no Republican efforts to disenfranchise voters, there are no Republican efforts to disenfranchise voters and there will be no efforts by Republicans to disenfranchise voters. The abuses all come from the left hand side of the aisle and you cannot stand the fact that, while your efforts have failed, they have raised significant alarms signals that have resulted in pro-active measures to prevent further fraud. Go back to trashing military votes; it’s all your good at.
@obamarhhea: I have asked that very same specific question numerous times and never get an answer. It appears that when the leftists were creating this “voter disenfranchisement” and “voter suppression” fantasy to try and keep the door to voter fraud open, they failed to anticipate such a simple question.
@obamarhhea: You ignore the many obstacles put in place in the Voter ID scam such as voter registration intimidation, intentionally closing already bottle necked Dem polling areas while funding more for Rep leaning districts, closing early voting that has proven to draw more Dem voters, the admissions of leaders that the law has successfully curtailed Dem voters-which they admit was their objective, as well as the many other arguments that you guys pretend aren’t there while simply pretending that requiring an ID is the only issue.@Bill Burris: “Florida Governor Scott restricting voting on college campus” pulls up 20,700,000 links on Google with the top of them producing multiple Fl state news sources. So who in fact is being dishonest here?
And you still run from every single argument while standing behind your exposed dishonesty.
@Ronald J. Ward: how can repubs control traffic in dem precincts tb?
@Ronald J. Ward: Indeed it does. However, how many deal with the issue you mention? As far as I can tell, the thinkprogress, which I refuse to consider (being funded by the Nazi-sympathizer, Soros), which I made clear. Many others I opened and read only to find they addressed far different issues.
And, dare you mention “intimidation”? Remember the NBP threatening white voters in Pennsylvania with a night stick, which was proven in court but thrown out by Holder? As I already stated, real injustices don’t concern you leftists, only those that can be invented for political gain.
So, why is it so hard to provide YOUR source?
@Bill Burris: i guess being threatened with a night stick isn’t threatening to rjwtb,maybe a source of pleasure instead?did the rebubs intimidate the people living in dem princincts into voting for president bob at a rate of 110 percent?
@Bill Burris: Why is it so hard for you to simply admit that Republicans have used the Voter ID issue to enact laws to make it harder for Democrats to vote?
It’s not like that statement isn’t true. We all know that many inclusions in the Voter ID laws were and are for those purposes. What’s so hard about admitting the obvious? Is it that the thought of me being right is so repulsive to you that you can’t let that happen? Is it because you are that overcome by the koolaid?
The inclusions I’ve mentioned, the voter purging as well as what Rick Scott in FL and the NC laws promote are indeed opportune times for GOP leaders to add language that impedes Dem voting and gives Rs an edge at winning elections. In the real world, it isn’t even arguable. As I’ve mentioned, GOP leaders that actually wrote and/or promoted the laws have openly admitted their intentions.
It’s a very true statement. Just as it’s very true that conservatives lied about ACA killing 2.5 million jobs or claiming that Keystone would create hundreds of thousands of full time jobs or that ACA would have “death panel” or that Paul Ryan washes dishes in soup kitchens.
They are all lies, intentional orchestrated lies. Why are you and your genuflecting cohorts so afraid to admit reality?
@Ronald J. Ward:
Since you refuse to answer my questions about how you would prevent voter fraud, perhaps you can explain to all of us how Voter I.D. laws specifically target Democrats, and not Republicans.
@Ronald J. Ward: “Why is it so hard for you to simply admit that Republicans have used the Voter ID issue to enact laws to make it harder for Democrats to vote?” Why is it so hard for you to provide even a “smidgen” (to coin a term) of proof that it is even going on? As is asked, multiple time, how would Republicans be targeting Democrats in this dastardly scheme? Now, it is easy to see how Democrats vote multiple times, inflate voting rosters by registering bogus names or the same person 70 times, or how they multiply names to get Obama and Hillary on petitions for candidates, but how would anyone target a specific voting block by requiring positive ID? Especially when almost ALL already have the required ID and the governments in question (by you) offer free services to fulfill the needs of those without?
You, meanwhile, do not address the Democrat strategy of targeting the military, a viable target, since they vote overwhelmingly Republican.
You need a new boogie-man; this one quit and left you stranded.
@retire05: Considering your short distraction, I decided to read it.
I did explain. Repeatedly. Voter purging, closing Dem precincts while opening R precincts, eliminating early registration and early voting, penalizing voter drive groups, prohibiting minor offense cons from voting, alienating state universities as acceptable voting areas, the flaws of FL and NC laws. You ignore these and others and are evasive and distracting because Voter ID laws are used to include measures having nothing to do with IDs. You and know this. Hell, everyone including the law’s authors know it. They’ve admitted it, as I’ve pointed out.
Why do you deny that Republicans didn’t use this issue to intentionally disenfranchise the elderly, minorities, the poor, and students? Of course they did. They no longer try to hide it, they even proudly own up to it. Why can’t you? I mean, if you and/or your cohorts or Dr. John could man up to reality when you’re caught red handed, maybe some of your snake oil could be taken with a few pounds of salt on other occasions.
But when you stand blindly behind obvious distortion and lies, it only makes sense that nothing you say can be considered trustworthy.
@Bill Burris: You see, that’s actually an admission that you’re caught red handed. You can’t admit your blatant dishonesty and you think that finding some “gotcha/you do it to” somehow validates your dishonesty while putting the ball back in my court.
I’m not the one who created this thread and inflated the lie that Voter ID was intended to curve voter fraud. That would be you guys.
I’m not the one that created threads last week spreading lies that the CBO’s report says ACA will kill 2.5 million jobs. That would be you guys.
I’m not the one who has echoed “death panels” as if the elderly and disabled children would be hurdled up and taken in front of some panel that would determine their fate after hearing their pleas. That would be you guys.
I’m not the one that’s been promoting that Keystone would create hundreds of thousands of full time jobs when the numbers now tell us it’s 35. That nonsense came from the GOP and similar right wing blogs as this.
Now, you can easily find some fault of Dems or some lie or such that they’ve promoted but that just doesn’t mean your lies now have merit. And simply because I won’t bite on your distractions and join in on your bash fest, doesn’t mean your dishonesty becomes honest.
Again, you are the ones promoting these lies, not me. And considering they are in fact lies and you are in fact called out on them, why can’t you either man up and admit it?
@Ronald J. Ward: 34
Wait a minute there RJW, you told me you weren’t reading my comments any longer. I think your teabaggee friend got tired of you running him down and sent Pluto over there to bite you in the butt.