You have to hand it to him. He thinks long term. Chess, not checkers.
Trump has democrats in a major pickle. It was a major league set up.
Chief Justice John Roberts has been a disappointment to say the east. You will remember that Roberts went out of his way to help pass obamacare. He suggested that it be called a tax instead of a mandate. Trump decided to use that as a tool. He attempted by Executive Order to remove DACA, which was instituted not by Congress, but by Executive Order. SCOTUS refused to allow an EO by one President to be vacated by a successor President.
You will also remember that DACA was magically created and funded by EO. DACA stands despite being unconstitutional in nature.
The precedent was set.
Negotiations to continue Wuhan virus relief have been fruitless as democrats have been demanding all sorts of unrelated expenses, such as reparations, be added.
Trump warned them he would act via Executive Action and Saturday he did just that.
President Trump signed four executive actions Saturday aimed at delivering relief to Americans struggling with the economic fallout of the coronavirus pandemic while accusing Democrats of stonewalling greater aid efforts.
Trump announced a $400-per-week supplemental unemployment payment to out-of-work Americans — short of the $600 weekly benefit that expired at the end of July. He unveiled an extension of student loan relief and protections from evictions for renters and homeowners.
Trump also issued a payroll tax holiday through the end of the year for Americans earning less than $100,000, while promising more relief if he wins a second term.
This is where the fun begins.
democrats played their usual stall game. This time it failed. Chris Wallace, the frequently disappointing left winger on Fox, put it to Pelosi
“Won’t millions of Americans now get some extended federal unemployment relief and some protections for evictions—get that now rather than nothing at all?”
And then really got under her skin
“Didn’t you mess this one up?”
She was taken aback
“Clearly, you don’t have an understanding of what is happening here,”
Trump did the right thing for the country. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin warned democrats about challenging the EO:
“We’ve cleared with the Office of Legal Counsel all these actions,” Mnuchin told Wallace. “If the Democrats want to challenge us in court and hold up unemployment benefits to those hardworking Americans that are out of a job because of COVID, they’re going to have a lot of explaining to do.”
dems have signaled that they intend to challenge Trump’s EO.
This is a no lose situation for Trump.
First, there is precedent for a President creating unfunded programs as we noted above.
Second, SCOTUS made killing off such a program about impossible.
Third, democrats are now in the position of acting to halting this action to the American people as we near an election. Their efforts to stop this EO will make them look positively evil. They will be in the amusing position to explain why they are so hot to stop badly needed aid to the country.
You can tell how good this plan was by watching Schumer and Pelosi sputter and blather.
I can’t wait to see the ads.
Trump also has a pen and a phone. Expect a deal promptly.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
My goodness suddenly the Democraps want to talk and perhaps not continue to hold those that have been harmed financially hostage to their expensive leftist agenda.
Right before a major election they want poor people evicted, not a good look to evict families right before winter is upon us. When Computer systems for unemployment benefits are “antique” some from the 70s where have all the original cobalt programmers gone? Maybe dead from covid in the nursing homes?
From all appearances, and actually to my surprise, this seems to be a fizzled dud for Trump, something only his closest millionaire buddies seems to like.
In realty, 3 of the 4 are not really executive orders at all. A large part of the $400 weekly unemployment is to be robbed from FEMA funding right in the middle of hurricane season so it really isn’t clear how that’s suppose to work. The remainder of the funding is to be picked up by the states and it isn’t known if those states will comply. If they do comply, the extra cost it’s at a time when most states are stretched to the max do to Trump’s virus.
So of course this is simply another illegal con from the master con man desperate to improve his sagging ratings and popularity.
But it just doesn’t seem like people are buying his snake oil anymore.
@Ronald J. Ward:
due to, public school victim.
It isnt Trumps virus, he was just willing to deal with it at a federal level, letting the governors make decisions that best suit their states, many governors quickly shoved that to county and city level.
Unlike the previous epidemic during the last admin , he didnt choose to simply stop counting cases and deaths also never restock supplies used.
If you think in the trillions printed during the last “covid stimulus” there isnt a bit left over for rent relief and additional unemployment benefits you heartless bastid think again.
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@Ed Powers: It was checkmate, the evictions he is halting are subsidized, ha! mostly poor urban democrat voters. Lots of single mommys.
the democraps are loosing but need to make a lat min. grand stand play-a hail marry that will not work.
pediphile joe on the debates:
babylonbee.com/news/biden-campaign-warns-that…
@MOS#8541: Nope cancelled alas
@kitt: Libturds like that can’t help themselves. They actually believe the garbage the lsm and the educational cabal feed them. As you noticed, grammar is not part of it nor is any sort of accuracy.
Your first and third points are correct, but the second isn’t accurate. SCOTUS/Roberts were absolute assholes to be sure, but the “reasoning” (such as it was) behind their decision was that Trump could still cancel DACA if he gave a sufficient reason for doing so, it’s just that in their opinion the reasons he already stated were inadequate. Which is, of course, complete and total horsesh*t but that’s Roberts for ya.
Not that it matters. My understanding based on what I’ve read elsewhere is that he’s simply redirecting already-allocated funds, which is entirely allowable (see the border wall funds ruling from a few months ago); and in any case, any lawsuits the Dems bring are going to seriously piss people off.
And now for a word from our sponsor: Remember, people, even if your Republican Senate candidate sucks, it’s still necessary to maintain the Senate majority to keep making more MAGA judicial appointments!
@Ronald J. Ward:
Trump is popular, and has higher approval ratings than Biden.
Leftist media outlets have resorted to the usual language of desperation, such as calling Trump’s campaign “failing”, “embattled”, or “sinking”, yet with zero substantiation, and in the face of proof to the contrary. It didn’t work 4 years ago and won’t work now.
I didn’t understand what rock the Leftists were living under when they were so surprised Trump won in 2016. I understand now.
The only thing shrinking is Dem support, and that’s a fact.
From FOX News, August 10, 2020 – Trump weighs permanent payroll tax deferral, says it won’t impact Social Security
If we permanently deferred payroll taxes, where would money paid out monthly to Social Security recipients then come from?
General revenue? Not very likely. Those philosophically opposed to the Social Security program are also hellbent on reducing taxes across the board. The tax cuts they’ve made so far were already getting us one-trillion dollars deeper into the debt hole with every passing year—even before COVID-19 entered the picture.
More helicopter money? Sure, why not. The printing presses may not have a faster setting, but we can always build more printing presses. We could build as many as needed. Of course, the consequences of that are inevitable. No matter what anyone claims, an out-of-control debt actually does matter. Donald has suggested that it won’t, but his reasons for thinking that are highly suspect; it’s because he thinks the sh-t won’t hit the fan until after he’s gone. (People really should pay more attention to reported statements like that. They relate to an extreme egocentrism that defines his personality and his world view.)
What happened to the GOP’s traditionally conservative “fiscal principles”? They’re always bashing Democrats for their “tax and spend” approach. The criticism is always rolled out as part of their never-ending pitch for tax reductions.
Here’s a newsflash: If you want to spend without bringing about collective monetary disaster, you HAVE to collect taxes to fund spending. That most definitely includes Social Security, which was designed with it’s own payroll taxation mechanism intended to make the program general-revenue neutral. Younger workers pay a defined tax that comes out of their current paycheck; those taxes fund the retirement benefits of those who came before them, on the understanding that their own working successors will do the same for them.
Trump is casually suggesting that taxation mechanism be kicked out of the system. As with the privatization scam the GOP floated a couple of elections back, nothing is being said about where the money would then come from to fund current retirees.
The real, unstated motive has always been obvious to anyone paying close attention to the arithmetic. Privatization proponents want to get their hands on the money by diverting it into the market, with the added benefit of killing Social Security the process.
If current Social Security recipients think shortfalls following elimination of the Social Security payroll tax would never catch up with their own monthly benefits, they need to think again. Given one-trillion-dollar-a-year deficits and no other mechanism to continue their payments other than printing up new dollars, it could catch up with them very damn quickly.
It isn’t Democrats who would then be in a tight corner. It would be every American dependent on their Social Security checks—and that’s a fact.
@Ronald J. Ward: Even though you, as usual, spout nothing but leftist propaganda, anything you accuse could have been avoided had Pelosi and Schumer not put padding their own liberal agenda above the needs of the US citizen. They are incapable of considering a bill that addresses the singular and most important issue; providing aid to businesses and citizens put out of work by the lock-down. No, they must address numerous money-wasting boondoggles and social justice farces.
@Greg: Again, as I addressed to AJ, if only Pelosi and Schumer could put the needs of the people above their own selfish political games, none of this would be necessary.
@Greg: How about employers pay 100 % as part of their compensation paid per employee. They were after all given huge corporate tax breaks, just part of the new normal, unless the employee makes 100K or more then the employee can pay part.
GOP ending SS is just another recycled claim made in many past elections. YAWN
@kitt, #13:
Republicans would NEVER shift any greater part of the taxation burden to employers. Doing so would be political suicide.
The truth is that they never had a clue how Social Security revenue shortfalls resulting from their recent privatization schemes would have been made up. That’s why they pretended no such problem with their diversion of FICA taxes into the investment markets even existed.
It certainly wouldn’t have been made up from increased corporate tax rates, because they reduced those; nor would it have come from increased capital gains taxes, because they also cut that rate enormously.
What Trump is actually talking about is crippling or killing the Social Security system.
@Greg:
Actually, that is not necessarily true. If you want to spend, you need to tailor spending to income. How many of these agencies could see their budgets cut by 10%, or eliminated permanently?
https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies/
Bullshit. It was a give away program designed to get FDR, a Socialist, reelected. When the USSC was having reservations about its legality, FDR threated to stack the court with addition justices so he could get what he wanted.
“[Ida May] Fuller’s claim was the first one on the first Certification List and so the first Social Security check, check number 00-000-001, was issued to Fuller in the amount of $22.54 (equivalent to $411 in 2019) and dated January 31, 1940. During her lifetime, she collected a total of $22,888.92 in Social Security benefits and paid in $24.75.”
Wikipedia source
No clearer example of a Ponzi scheme has ever been shown.
The federal government should abolish the Social Security program for anyone 45 and younger. Return their money to them, allowing for a certain increase they would have earned if invested in the market, and then adopt the Galveston County Employees plan. It would allow for families to inherit the money in the account if the employee dies before they were old enough to collect on it. The way it is now, there is only a $250.00 death benefit. Not much consolation to a widow whose husband only drew his benefits for a year or so.
Another reason to never, ever, depend on the government for your financial welfare since even the Ponzi scheme known as Social Security has not kept up with the cost of living.
@Greg:
Biden in 2011: Payroll tax cut does not hurt Social Security
@Greg: This isn’t the silver bullet you are looking for, and most of your analysis is mired by emotion and not a clear presentation of the WHOLE picture. It’s just another partisan turd screed dressed up in accusations.
It’s unfortunate that your candidate for President disagreed with you in 2011.
Democrats: accuse you of what they already have done, on a larger scale, and for years.
Read more before you parrot your silly left-wing news sources.
@Greg: here darlin’ someone can lib splain it
@Nathan Blue: It’s called desperately grasping and desperate straws. I wish more Republicans had the balls Trump does.
@kitt: You know Democrats don’t even slow down for hypocrisy, don’t you? I think most of their supporters simply accepts the lies and hypocrisy as facts of life, just as long as they are being told what they want to hear.
@DrJohn:
An out of context grasp of a dig from an unhinged and radical source is hardly a justification of what your very own party refers to Trump’s illegal and social security sabotage as ” constitutional slop”.
@retire05, #15:
Typical GOP disinformation. The programs they always target for cuts are targeted for political reasons, not because all of them put together would make much of a dent in federal spending. Most of the budget overruns aren’t discretionary spending—unless you want to count the bloated Defense budget.
@Ronald J. Ward: It is, but it has nothing to do with defunding SS, as all taxes go into the general fund. Go listen to the entire show try to learn something.
Today, the federal government automatically puts all of the money that should be set aside for the Social Security Trust Fund into the General Fund. … Contrary to what many Americans believe and what progressives love to say, there is no money in the Trust Fund to pay future benefits. Not a thin dime just IOUs.
When were social security funds moved to the general fund?
1968
1968: raided the Trust Fund to help pay for the Vietnam War
Today, the federal government automatically puts all of the money that should be set aside for the Social Security Trust Fund into the General Fund. Raiding the Social Security Trust Fund was a precedent set in 1968 by another progressive president, Lyndon B.
@Greg:
Wrong, Comrade Greggie.
Tell me, why do we need the Administration for Community Living, or why do we have a board for Alhurra TV, why do we fund Amtrak? What about the Center for Parental Information and Resources? What the hell do they do but provide jobs for Democrats?
That’s just a few of the useless agencies A-C. I didn’t even check the rest of the alphabet.
We could cut government by 10% getting rid of useless agencies and no one would notice except the unemployment office in D.C.
@kitt:
Don’t slap AJ/Ward in the face with facts. You’re gonna make his little pea brain hurt.
@retire05: Seriously I could Bitch slap facts all week and never hit a brain with that one.
@retire05, #23:
Why don’t you study a pie chart showing how the federal budget allocates funds? Some basic information might sink in. Maybe then you wouldn’t sound as abysmally stupid as the idiot in the picture at the top of the page looks.
All of the items you’ve mentioned taken together are insignificant contributors to the deficit problem. Republicans have routinely blown up the significance of things like the minuscule costs of public broadcasting as political diversions, while simultaneously promoting the fiscal stupidity of capital gains rate cuts and enormous corporate tax breaks. That’s what brought back trillion-dollar-a-year deficits at a time when economic activity and profits were peaking.
@Greg: Pie charts? are you a junkie? Is the budget of the USA is based off pie charts ? You sir are an imbicile.
@kitt, #27:
You folks have just totally evaded the critically important question in post #11 that Republicans will never touch with a 10-foot pole.
If they cut off or divert the payroll taxes that currently fund monthly Social Security benefits for around 65 million Americans, where will the necessary money come from to continue paying those benefits?
Name calling is not an answer.
Another question is What does Donald Trump think will be accomplished by payroll tax suspensions? The millions of Americans who have recently lost their jobs don’t have any pay checks that will be increased by doing so.
@Greg:
Where did the money come from when Obama did a payroll tax holiday?
Did Obama ever suggest the payroll tax suspension might be made permanent?
@Greg:
From the NYT:
This may cause more issues, in 2021. I’d actually say this EO is purely political, meant to help Trump earn votes.
I say he’s banking on 1) The House flipping and them forgiving the tax liability, or 2) The House stays Democrat and they look bad if they don’t forgive it.
It’s meant to force the Dems hand, one way or another.
@Greg: It’s also important to note “where the money comes from” right now is fresh off the printing press, for most things.
@Greg: All taxes go into the general fund no divisions there is no fund that the money is directed to just for SS or medicare. You just dont get it. I can explain it to you but not understand it for you. There is no lock box has not been one since 1968. One big checking account the money for everything goes into the general fund and is dispersed from there. Trump couldnt do anything to social security payments even if he wanted to. It would take an act of congress.
Was Obama messing with social security when he did it?
Go watch the you tubes I posted of him just for you.
No rich people benefit just those under 100K per year. Only a few bucks per week for the poor and middle class.
@kitt, #33:
Everyone knows there’s no “lock box”. There is, however, program accounting, which measures how much has been taken for the program and how much has gone out in the form of benefit payments—operating costs being a negligible part of total program costs. Neither what goes in nor what goes out is imaginary money. Balancing one against the other matters; an imbalance leading to insolvency would spell the end of Social Security. So would failure to address problems that could bring this about in the foreseeable future. No matter what anyone says, program bankruptcy would effect current Social Security recipients, not just future recipients. Millions would be quickly reduced to poverty.
We can’t just print up additional money to make up for the shortfalls with Social Security. Taxation then takes the form of inflation, eroding the purchasing power of current worker wages and destroying the wealth of everyone who as worked and saved as a means of taking responsibility for their own financial futures. Eventually it spins out of control, to the point of taking down an entire national economy.
@Greg: The do not take out exactly what is accounted going in, the general fund owes uncounted billions to the plan.
Truth its broke and the ponzi is long dead they are just dancing on its grave. Same with the dollar, now not tossing billions but trillions and Democrats will not cut the non covid spending from their wishlist.
The only hope is to put the leviathan on a starvation diet, cut entire departments consolidate others.The Federal government must be trimmed back to the point where it fits back into the Constitution.
I trust most younger Republican voters can then personally make up for their parents’ and/or grandparents’ losses of Social Security income.
@Greg:
So only democrats will get government assistance bwahahahahaha.
The big reset will be a blunt object, ask Greece.
Riots and protests dont change an empty purse.
@DrJohn: Isn’t it fun to see the lefty resisters here struggle to find an argument to support their point? They just do not understand that Trump is smarter than they are!
Children are returning to school. The effect this might have on overall COVID-19 transmission rates is unknown. Over 97,000 kids tested positive for COVID-19 during the last two weeks of July, and your very smart President has said nothing at all about it.
#39
Right on cue. greg the imbecile troll when wrecked reverts to a predictable ploy, change the subject from the thread….
Suddenly commenting about the Wuhan Chinese virus has nothing to do with the theme of this thread. It is an implicit admission of defeat on the part of this imbecile troll aka greg….
Wielding A Pen And A Phone, Obama Goes It Alone (2014)
@Randy:
Yes
@Greg:
Social Security should and will be ended.
@Greg:
So? People get sick, and sometimes people die. Ending death isn’t suddenly the job description of the President, it’s part and parcel of the usual Marxist hate machine: save everyone by killing millions of “those people”.
Dems make up new goal posts as they go along. The original plan was not let hospitals get overrun. Mission accomplished. Now it’s…what? Use every death, every simple infection, as a anti-Trump screed?
Over 5 million cases of Covid-19. Over 60 million for H1N1.
Why the different coverage? H1N1 was less lethal, true. But it still killed people. If we could have saved one life, why didn’t Obama shut down the country and destroy our economy?
@Ronald J. Ward:
How is the words of the very people now denouncing payroll tax cuts “out of context”? I think you mean “hypocrisy”.
@Greg:
Sheesh. Really? While Democrats are trying to entice people NOT to go to work by paying them more than they can earn at work (that winning formula they used to enslave minorities), the tax cuts will increase their earnings and make it more attractive to get back to their jobs. Democrats want to fund the continued collapse of the economy (then, 10 minutes later, after you liberals forget who actually pushed all the spending) and blame Trump for the increase in debt, Trump wants to solve problems.
Oh… suddenly, after Obama did it for 8 years, printing money is no longer the answer? How can you pretend to care about the fiscal health of Social Security when you support candidates that intend to hand SS out to illegal immigrants, 26 million who never paid a NICKEL into the system?
How many of those are false positives? Again, thanks, riots.
Democrats never let a crisis go to waste. They always exploit it to pad their pockets or political gain. Trump just kicked them right in the gut. All they can do now is whine and lie.
@Deplorable Me, #43:
This is a right-wing propaganda meme that treats workers like serfs who won’t make an effort on their own behalf unless they’re periodically threatened with beatings.
A majority of the recently unemployed aren’t presently working because there aren’t enough jobs for them to go back to. The possibility of eviction, the inability to make car payments, and insufficient funds meet even the basic needs of one’s self and dependents is plenty of motivation for most people to look for work.
@July 4th American, #40:
Your link leads to a page that’s as devoid of meaningful content as the rest of your post.
@Greg:
Uh… NO. In fact, the EMPLOYERS are complaining that they can’t get the employees to come back because they make more money staying home. So…. WRONG AGAIN.
Sure, many small businesses went out of business. But the vast, vast majority of the jobs are still there, simply forced into dormancy by the lock down, extended because the LEFT has incited widespread protests and riots which is undoubtedly spreading the virus.
@Greg: Interesting fact Pierce manufacturing has pulled a billboard of help wanted, they make fire trucks the pay is premium for no college degree lineworker, Kimberly Clark is advertising for workers on the radio here WTF during the long long recession of Barry you couldnt get near HR depts of these places. These are good paying unionized, with benefits jobs. Big banners outside many covid proof manufacturing jobs saying NOW HIRING. Oh but this just in Wisconsin that took our Idiot Governor to court so we could open up. Somehow I cant see this state as an anomaly. Want farm work step right up, cows are not seasonal work. No need to learn how to code.
Voted today (partisan primary)and took mom to her polling place, no stickers but a free pen. No church cookie sale this time…vast disappointment another covid victim. One guy opening and feeding absentee votes into the machine, 900K were requested for this vote I wonder how many re in bins are held up in Milwaukee this time around.
New flash… Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) will run beside Biden in the general election in November. Perfect 2 liars thats storybook man.
Maybe they should raise the pay rate they’re offering a bit. Nationwide, state unemployment compensation averages $378 per week. Some states pay much less than that.
@Greg: Well, I guess you are unfamiliar with how businesses work. Perhaps you should Google it before you make MORE stupid comments.
@Greg:
BULLSHIT.
Employers are desperate to hire. With the end of the $600 insurance, and the gap until Trump’s $400 kicking in, you’re going to see hirings surge.