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bill-tb
15 years ago
As failed President FDR found, it a whole lot easier to sell the idea of make-work jobs than it is to deliver long lasting lower unemployment. If it weren’t for WWII, the world may still be in FDR’s depression.
BTW, FDR was a Democrat.
Steve Rowland
15 years ago
Well listen to the pot calling the kettle black…..
President-elect Barack Obama has distanced himself from the Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, who has been arrested on corruption charges Link to this video
The governor accused of trying to sell Barack Obama’s seat in the Senate faced growing pressure to resign yesterday as the president-elect called on him to step aside.
The call from Obama came as Rod Blagojevich turned up for work as usual 24 hours after the FBI arrested him at his home and accused him of setting a new low in corruption for his haggling over the price of a Senate seat.
Blagojevich, a Democrat, was released on bail later on Tuesday.
“Under the current circumstances, it is difficult for the governor to effectively do his job and serve the people of Illinois,” Obama’s spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said in a statement.
It was the most expansive statement to date from Obama on the scandal, which yesterday widened beyond the figure of Blagojevich to Jesse Jackson Jr, a son of the civil rights leader, who wanted the president-elect’s old Senate seat.
A lawyer for Jackson, a congressman and ally of Obama, acknowledged that he was the man identified as Senate Candidate 5 in the FBI wiretaps. Senate Candidate 5 is the only one of the contenders for Obama’s seat alleged to have acted improperly, news reports said yesterday.
Yeah, thats what they are saying in the UK, but again for a reality check, read “The Case Against Barack Obama”, by David Freddoso. He was telling it like it was/is months ago.
“The Audacity of Audacity” is Hussein Obama’s next project if he can get his ghost writers lined up.
Tom
15 years ago
Someone needs to make a flow chart with pics. of all the suspicious people Obama since he was born that he has ties to and their ties – so on down the line. I think it would be very interesting.. Get to work you “geeks.”
Missy
15 years ago
This blog has been writing about Obama and his ties to corrupt Chicago pols for quite some time. Lot’s of sources, lots of information.
But, but, he’s clean, he’s a reformer, hope, change. Idiots.
Real American Patriot
15 years ago
Obama will come out of this untouched.. you watch Mike.
You are only dreaming if you think otherwise.
Lorraine
15 years ago
Yeah Real American Patriot: The only reason he will is that he takes a bath in teflon every night. If this had been a Republican I guarantee you they would have had him tried and convicted already…but they (the MSM) goes to great lengths to protect their wonder boy. And that is why I am so damn frustrated.
Hard Right
15 years ago
MSM=DNC Propganda Wing
Lorraine
15 years ago
Amen Hard Right…Amen
Craig
15 years ago
“Obama will come out of this untouched.. you watch Mike. You are only dreaming if you think otherwise.” (Real American Hater)
Sure because American haters like you protect this vicious crook. You are just as guilty and corrupted as THE ONE. I can’t believe you are an American… are you a radical Muslim? Or a black men that hates white people? Or are you just insane? I still cannot believe that some idiots voted for a liar, a manipulator, a cheater, a crook, a flip-flopper and a fraud.
Tom
15 years ago
I don’t agree with thought he can do what he wants and get away with it . America is too big a county with too many honest people to let this stand too much longer. At some point the wheels will fall off his wagon.
Tom: The NY Times did a nifty interactive online chart that shows the links between various Chicago pols and money men. You click on one guys name to see how he links up with the others:
Interestingly, the Times left one name off the list and it just happens to be the name at the very center of all of this… Guess who?
A Typical Patriot
15 years ago
I believe BHO will come out of this on top too, but not because he is not involved. It will come down to what is the definition of “no contact”.
Also the law in today’s world protects the crooks not the victims.
Craig
15 years ago
Obama works with the 3D’s method: Deny, Delay and Destroy.
Every original post on this blog about Obama since the election has been about some sort of shocking expose. You guys are working overtime to catch him in the act of confirming your worst suspicions. I mean, really, can’t you find a single thing (say an appointment) that you would applaud, or at least respect? How about a discussion of his national defense team?
And what’s the evidence of any wrongdoing? You’d think there would be truckloads, the way the accusations are flying. But no, it’s simply speculation and supposition, e.g.
We’re supposed to believe that the most massive fundraising operation of all time didn’t have it’s fair share of pay for play the Chicago way?
Only time will tell just how much of the $750 million Obama raised for his presidential campaign was raked in using the Chicago way.
I’ll tell you how the money was “raked in.” None of you would know it, because you aren’t on Obama’s world record email donor list. I am. I continue to get an average of one email soliticition, every other day, from David Pflouffe, Obama’s campaign director. These are great solicitation pieces, telling useful and interesting news, and making a special pitch for a special event. For example, when they were having that “register and vote at the same time” program going on in Ohio, I got an email telling me about it, with a link to a news story, and a plea for a $25 donation to pay for drivers to get the new voters transported, registered, and voted.
They continue to ask for donations. Can never have too big a war chest. But this is true democracy in action. George Will praised it as such. The median Obama donation was 85 dollars, which is, coincidentally, exactly what I gave. You can’t possibly raise $750 million from fat cat donors, at fundraising dinners, which is the quaint way that the GOP still does it. One of the reasons that Obama ran such an effective campaign is that he didn’t have to spend inordinate time going to irrelevant states getting money out of rich donors, who are, in any event, limited in the amount they can donate. The way you raise $750,000,000 is to have a donor list of more than 3,000,000 (these are not 3,000,000 “prospects” but 3,000,000 people who actually donated) and bombard them with emails and get them to cough up an average of $250 apiece (median of $85 apiece). Next time around, this is the way that Sarah Palin will raise her money. And you’ll see how effective (and how much more democratic/small “d”) it is.
Rather an exaggeration, Larry. Actually, Scott has posted both for and after the election extensively on how Obama would be Bush III by necessity… something I’d say most of us agree with.
Craig
15 years ago
“You guys are working overtime to catch him in the act of confirming your worst suspicions” ( Guess who said that? Larry W. of course)
And you Larry W. you are working overtime to try to justify your idiot voting for THE ONE. This is what we call PROJECTION.
RUH-ROH…RAHM EMANUEL CONTINUES TO DUCK QUESTIONS ON HOT ROD
“Blagojevch was caught on tape saying that he wanted the Obama advisor in question to know what Blagojevich wanted in exchange for the Jarrett appointment.” Blagojevich said, “He asks me for the fifth CD thing, I want it to be in his head.” http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/
OBAMAGATE: THE COVER-UP CONTINUES
“Disgusting and corrupt, all of it. Obama is playing the typical lawyer game with evidence. “You don’t have direct evidence, therefore I am innocent” For him and others to use the euphemism “We are appalled” is strictly designed for public consumption to quell the rising tide of suspicion and connection to the corruption.
And why does the news media still insist on calling the people involved for the senate seat “candidate #1, #2, etc to #5, when their identity is now known? ” http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/obamagate-the-c.html
On other threads you defended Obama by suggesting that all the character questions which continue to swirl around him were nothing but “guilt by association.”
Here I have documented guilt by participation and instead of responding to that clear evidence of corruption you launch on a tangent in a transparent attempt to distract readers.
Obama didn’t raise $750 million dollars by emailing you and likeminded Obamatons. You know it and I know it.
It’s about time you started to take Obama’s oh-so-evident flaws seriously if you want to preserve a modicum of credibility.
Craig
15 years ago
This Democrat Party of yours seems to be corrupte all from inside out. Read this:
… AND IN NEW-YORK, MORE SENATE SEAT PURCHASING POWER
“A confidant of Mr. Kennedy says the senator has been working the phones, trying to build support for his niece’s Caroline appointment.
You would think that with the recent events in Chicago, that Uncle Teddy would cut the crap and let the Governor of New York pick who he wants as Hillary’s replacement. But nope. It’s not to be. Teddy wants to help finish off New York and turn it into another Massachusetts. But most of all, he wants his ego correctly stoked before he dies. He wants the Kennedy name to be Forever entrenched in American politics.
And how does he do that? Well he’s Paying To Play, just like Chicago, only with more finesse. Just like the rest of our entrenched Senators, he is accustomed to making things happen the way he wants them to be. As the polls go, the people of NY do not prefer her or her ability to get a nice pile of dirty money from people who don’t even care about New York…” http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/and-in-new-york-more-senate-seat-purchasing-power/
“The heart of machine politics is deal making and deal making is a political tradition in Illinois. You give nothing away. Everything is traded. Everything is a deal and that’s how this state has operated from the very beginning.” (Paul Green, director of the Institute for Politics at Chicago’s Roosevelt University) LINK
Patrick Fitzgerald should be feeling like Eliot Ness right about now. Taking on the “Mob” mentality in 21st century Illinois parallels Ness’s late 20’s adventure of bringing a furniture dealer named Alphonse Capone to justice.
So far, President-elect Barack Obama, (who emerged from the cesspool of the Chicago Machine) has been tip-towing through the tulips avoiding the apparent associations that shaped his political career.
Rovin: It’s perfectly clear to everybody but Larry the enabler that Obama’s toe has tripped on more than a few of those tulips in the Chicago cesspoll.
His Chicago Political mentor Emil Jones, the former Chicago sewer inspector (yes, he really was) sure did teach him well.
Craig
15 years ago
Obama is a con artist and everybody knows it, except a few brainwashed fans.
BARACK, THE AMAZING MR. OBAMA
By Marl S Mcgrew
Excerpt:
“… Barack Obama may just win his place in history as the greatest con man of all time. A hundred million people believed him and spent 600 million dollars to get him “elected” to the highest office in America, without ever knowing if he is or is not eligible to even run as an American citizen.
Every con man walking free or in jail is an articulate speaker. Who would give their trust to a man who could not use the right words to convince his targets to trust him? Articulate speaking is no way to judge or rate the integrity of a person.
Every con game uses three ingredients against the target: Sell the dream. Push the greed button. Stress urgency.
Obama sold the dream of hope and change so desperately wanted by the American voters. He pushed the greed button by promising to take from the rich to give to the poor. And he stressed urgency by himself and his wife telling voters to vote early. Another final nail in the coffin a con man uses against his targets is “The Jack Call”. After your sucker has committed himself to buying your offer, but has not sent the check, the con man calls him with “Good news!!!” and constantly re-sells his target until the check has cleared and the funds are in the con man’s bank account.
The non-existent Office of the President Elect is the Jack Call. The constant news shots of his “involvement and concern” in national and world issues are the repeated Jack Calls.
It remains to be seen if Barry Sotero, Barack Obama or whatever his name is, is appointed President by the Electoral College.”
“Patrick Fitzgerald and the US Justice Department have been involved in an investigation of crime and corruption in Chicago and IL, sometimes referred to as “pay for play.” This investigation and subsequent prosecutions has been methodical and well executed. The initial focus was on Tony Rezko and his trial and conviction that evolved out the testimony of Stuart Levine who had been wiretapped.
Multiple indictments and arrests have developed from the Rezko trial leading up to the recent arrest of IL Governor Rod Blagojevich. All of the people indicted or arrested out of the investgation have one thing in common. Connections to Barack Obama. It has been believed for months that Rezko would talk and that Blagojevich and/or Obama was next. It is now time to indict Barack H. Obama.
The names of Blagojevich and Obama were mentioned regularly during the Rezko trial. Since Blagojevich and Obama were not on trial at the time, much information known about them was withheld. To understand this fact simply read the Criminal.
Complaint against Rod Blagojevich. It is apparent that much more is known about Barack Obama and that he is next in line to be indicted.
Since Barack Obama is attempting to sneak through the election process with a great many legal questions clouding his past and since the American public needs and depends on the Judicial Branch of government to protect it from criminals and imposters, I Citizen Wells, on behalf of the American public, ask that Mr.Patrick Fitzgerald or any authorized employee of the US Justice Department, present Mr. Barack H. Obama with an indictment and/or Criminal Complaint at the earliest possible moment, with time being of the essence. The Electoral College meets next week and it is imperative that we do all that is in our power to prevent a constitutional crisis in this country.” http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/
“I Citizen Wells, on behalf of the American public, ask that Mr.Patrick Fitzgerald or any authorized employee of the US Justice Department, present Mr. Barack H. Obama with an indictment and/or Criminal Complaint at the earliest possible moment, with time being of the essence. The Electoral College meets next week and it is imperative that we do all that is in our power to prevent a constitutional crisis in this country.”
Craig: Such action would cause a constitutional crisis, not prevent one. And it’s not going to happen.
Debbie Schlussel has a which confirms my earlier suspicion that Fitzgerald purposely played the timing of this to avoid damaging Obama:
It’s all the more reason to appoint a special prosecutor. Especially so if Fitzgerald hasn’t questioned Obama who is still a private citizen or any of his aides who do not yet have the power and constitutional position of the White House to hide behind.
Hard Right
15 years ago
Craig and Mike, I told you Larry is in deluded mode. He is desperate to believe that obama is the savior and no amount of proof to the contrary will change that. In fact, any attempt to convince him otherwise will only drive him deeper into denial.
Like I said, when obama flops he will blame everyone but obama.
You’re correct of course H.R. And I don’t suppose I would mind so much except that Larry poses as some sort of objective commenter which is anything but true.
His credibility has been seriously undermined and I expect that as further skeletons tumble from Obama’s closet we will see it erode further.
Would it be too callous to set up a pool and take bets on when he finally cracks altogether?
Craig
15 years ago
Mike, I think it is the reverse. You see SCOTUS does not have the guts to remove Obama because he is ineligible for POTUS. It would look like a racist thing to do and cause a riot in the country. But if they can indicted him with corruption before he is sworn in, not so many of his fans will mind. Nobody wants a corrupt POTUS. So I think that this could be their way out. This Blago arrest wasn’t a coincidence in time.
Okay, I don’t think anyone needs “defending” here that can’t defend themselves. But have to speak up on what I think are some blanket misconceptions.
I see a huge difference between some of the less than analytical Obama faithful and Larry. He has been one of the first Obama (via vote) supporters that has outright stated that Obama’s presidency is all about “Obama” and his legacy. And this is a fact that affects his every decision… including what tie to wear, or how to hold his head and what background in a photo op. Larry, while we don’t agree, doesn’t put blinders on with Obama. He’s just banking that he’s going to be ruled by the left of center liberal norm throughout his tenure of one term.
Nothing truer could be stated. Obama is consumed with Obama. He said anything to the electorate to get the job. And now that he’s got it, he’s going to follow the yellow brick road of fame and wise (aka safe) advice. That is, if you can find it in the Clintonista leftovers in this world of multiple crises.
Think what you want, of course. But I see a huge difference between Larry and those more entranced with “that one”… for example. Jan/sanjay, Erika/voter, or David/David101/Jasmine.
You see SCOTUS does not have the guts to remove Obama because he is ineligible for POTUS. It would look like a racist thing to do and cause a riot in the country.
I’m not sure if you understand how our court system works. But a review by the SCOTUS of Berg’s case will only address if the lower court’s decision was correct. Meaning, the federal courts threw Berg’s case out for standing… had nothing to do with the content of his argument.
Asking the SCOTUS to review the case does not mean they look at his content. They are only looking at whether the decision to throw the case out for standing is upheld… or not. If it isn’t, it goes back to to the lower courts for the content.
Therefore the SCOTUS is not deciding whether Obama is eligible. Only if a private citizen has standing to bring such a suit against a candidate’s birth status.
INRE you “picture” comment… frankly I wouldn’t want anyone analyzing my photos. For every good one, you can find about 3000 bad ones… And I have no idea what his photo has to do with anything.
Yes Mata, I read the mash note he wrote to you in your latest post. I’m sure he’ll consider the debt paid. Is this the FLopping Aces version of pay for play?
Larry insisted that questions about Obama’s character were guilt by association. It’s proven to be guilt by participation so of course Larry tries to change the subject.
You wouldn’t let that pass and I’m sure you don’t expect me to as well.
It’s entirely possible that good ole Lar will have a meltdown when he realizes how he has been fooled. But if you want to suggest it is crass to set up a pool and take bets on the date you may be right (or not).
Craig: Not sure I agree that nobody wants a corrupt prez. Most of these Obamatons could care less. Even if they knew, which most of them do not, that Obama has these ties to a sewer of corruption in Chicago my bet is that they would say “so what?”
Hard Right
15 years ago
True, he is anything but objective. When he said something to the effect that he thinks obama will go on to be one of our greatest presidents, it’s clear rational thought has died. Mike, I’m betting September 2009. Maybe a little callous, but I think he can take it. Warview has already snapped, tho.
LOL! Mike, this isn’t a quid pro quo. I don’t agree with Larry’s assertations about “every post” being some sort of a hit piece, and we constantly do battle on the financial/housing crises causes.
All I’m saying is that Larry has been on record about his lukewarm support for Obama since the beginning. Search his earliest comments and you’ll get a refresher course. He was betting that Obama was lying in his campaign just to win from the beginning, and would end up being a virtual puppet and slave to a quest for a legacy to die for.
Thus far, Larry’s prediction that Obama would “govern from the center” are correct. I’m not surprised… nor think this is an earth shattering prediction… as Obama’s not “governing” anything but when to change the roll of toilet paper in his bathroom right now. And the ultimate proof of that pudding truly lies down the road a couple of years.
I’m only saying that Larry is the one Obama voter I’ve heard here that has seen Obama’s vanity, and has rolled the dice on that vanity for his administrative behavior. That’s completely different than being a’swoon, ya know. His support has an element of cynicism that I haven’t seen in many others.
Craig
15 years ago
Mata, INRE to your #29 post:
OK, but then it means that SCOTUS doesn’t believe that the lower court will do their job, so they prefer an indictement of corruption for Obama so he will not reach the White House… it is more secure this way. SCOTUS sure do not want an impostor for POTUS.
INRE your # 28 post:
We always knew that Obama only cared for himself, Larry is only acting like a parrot. Oh Obama will be famous, no doubt. He will be known for the greatest con man of history. And don’t kid yourself , don’t believe a moment that he is moving center or right. This is only “The Jack Call”.
“After your sucker has committed himself to buying your offer, but has not sent the check, the con man calls him with “Good news!!!” and constantly re-sells his target until the check has cleared and the funds are in the con man’s bank account.
The non-existent Office of the President Elect is the Jack Call. The constant news shots of his “involvement and concern” in national and world issues are the repeated “Jack Calls.” http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-0/
OK, but then it means that SCOTUS doesn’t believe that the lower court will do their job, so they prefer an indictement of corruption for Obama so he will not reach the White House… it is more secure this way. SCOTUS sure do not want an impostor for POTUS.
No, that is not the way the SCOTUS works. They do not, and CANNOT deal with the specifics of a case. They deal with the decision of the courts in appeal.
Had the lower courts found Berg’s arguments invalid, and ruled in favor of Obama’s attorney’s… saying he was eligible, the SCOTUS could address that. That is not what the federal court ruled. They ruled only that the lawsuit was dismissed for standing.
Therefore, that is the ONLY issue the SCOTUS can address… whether Berg has standing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Period. They will not address Obama’s elibility in this ruling. Only whether or not a US citizen has the standing to challenge a candidate for POTUS’s birth… a subject, I might add, I find intriguing.
BTW… just because I understand where Larry is coming from, and separate him from the David/Jasmines of the world, doesn’t mean I agree with him. I’m well aware what Obama is doing right now. Where Larry and I differ is he believes Obama will continue on that path. I think, if Obama sees his opening after midterms to implement more serious socialist policies – and the economy to support it – he’ll jump on it like a horny toad at a Saturday honky tonk.
Craig
15 years ago
Mike,
I agree his thugs wouldn’t, but the ones who didn’t know anything about him will probably mind.
Mata,
Watch out for Larry, it is clear that he needs a friend here. I hope flattery will get him nowhere and that you will see thru him. He is a manipulator of facts, reality and people just like Obama. Remember: Like attrats like. And don’t forget to read my post #34
Hard Right
15 years ago
The problem with Larry’s claim that obama has moved to the center is that I’ve shown he hasn’t. Yes obama is all about obama…..and obama’s beliefs. He believes America is a racist country and MUST be forced to change in a way he approves of. That includes socialism.
His mother was a marxist, his “uncle” Frank was a member of the USA Communist party. In college he made it a point to associate with the far left radicals. He hooked up with Ayers. He made it a point to attend Khalidi’s going away party. He attended a church that preached hate against whites and and black liberation theology. He voted very far left through out his public service. The man is a far left stooge.
Hard Right
15 years ago
he’ll jump on it like a horny toad at a Saturday honky tonk.
HR, allow me to clarify. I certainly believe Obama is Marxist at heart. However I also believe that Obama’s first concern is Obama and his legacy.
He has no more chance of maintaining the nation’s “love” if he rushes to socialist/Marxism full throttle. Therefore he sneaks into position with a moderate liberal position. In this way, he doesn’t feel he will jeopardize the 2010 midterm progressive power in Congress.
If he succeeds in looking “moderate” to the public, keeps the DNC empowered in all branches past midterms, he can then make a far more drastic socialist move in policies… provided the economy can handle it. He is about power. He is about being loved and revered. He can not do either if he takes a hard left turn in the first 100 days…. or even first 18 months. It has to be a gentle and controlled turn.
If he was foolish enough to try hard left, he’d be despised by most of the country within months. Ain’t gonna happen.
Thanks for the ballad, Mike… haven’t felt “pre-teen” aged in heaven knows how long… LOL
Craig
15 years ago
Mata you are not being clear.
You say: Had the lower courts found Berg’s arguments invalid, and ruled in favor of Obama’s attorney’s… saying he was eligible, the SCOTUS could address that.
But then you also say: Therefore, that is the ONLY issue the SCOTUS can address… whether Berg has standing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Period.
I do not follow you. Which one of these two statements is right?
Hard Right
15 years ago
Mata, you read my mind. Light reading I know, but you read it all the same. Obama was taught by Ayers who learned from Alinsky. Alinsky said that to turn America communist or even deeply socialist, they could NOT openly declare that as their goal. They would have to achieve their ends by means of stealth.
If you look, you can see that obama has placed the instruments of socialist change into positions of power. Chu is the latest example. When he turns them loose we will be screwed. Larry does not want to see that or how obama is anything but a moderate.
Craig
15 years ago
“He is about power.” Right on the dot Mata. His goal is to destroy capitalism in America. He will then be the most famous person in the world for having destroyed USA. His ambition is not restrained to the USA, his ambition his worldwide. He is now playing the ” Jack Calls”. Did you read my # 33 post?
Craig, the SCOTUS does not “retry” a case. Maybe that will say it better. They only review the decision of the lower courts, making sure it is not antithesis to precedents and Constitutional law.
SCENARIO ONE (make believe): Berg’s case was presented, as was the defense. The US federal court ruled in favor of the defense (Obama & sundry other plaintiffs) that Obama was indeed eligible. Berg did not prove his case, and appeals it to the High Court.
In this scenario, the SCOTUS can review the facts of the case as the decision of the court was based on whether or not the content fit with precedent law. This is not what happened with Berg.
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SCENARIO TWO (the real deal): Berg’s case was dismissed.. thrown out. Had nothing to do with whether Obama was, or was not eligible. It was thrown out because the judge decided Berg did not have the “standing” as a private citizen to bring the lawsuit to court at all. Therefore, forget the argument for or against eligibility. Not even an issue.
This is the reality. All SCOTUS can look at is if the federal court was correct to throw out Berg’s suit because of standing. Nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility.
Craig
15 years ago
Mata,
So who will prove Obama eligibility if the lower court do not want to look at the case? Will your country let this impostor ruled the States? An illegal alien ruling the States even tho it is against the Constitution? What kind of a country is this? No one has the right to ask him to prove is eligibility? Gee, you might as well be in a dictatorship country, I see no difference.
Craig
15 years ago
Mata,
Did you read that article written by Edwin Vieira that I have posted on another thread here: Pleadint the 5th amendment?
Edwin Vieira, Jr., holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School). For more than thirty years he has practiced law, with emphasis on constitutional issues.
Here is an excerpt:
I was saying that Obama could not plead the 5th.
IN THE SHADOW OF NEMESIS
“… In the interest of expediting the process, the custodians of records in Hawaii would also be subpoenaed to testify and to produce all relevant documents subject to their control. To be sure, Obama himself might invoke a privilege against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment as the grounds for refusing to testify or to disgorge inculpatory papers. But custodians of public records in Hawaii or elsewhere throughout the United States have no such privilege. And no Hawaiian or other law of the States or the General Government purporting to make those records “confidential” can frustrate the Sixth Amendment. http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm
Craig, if the SCOTUS rules that Berg, as a citizen, has standing, the federal courts will have to take up Berg’s arguments about Obama’s eligibility. Their dismissal will be over turned. I do not anticipate this happening. As I’ve said a few times, the only one I can see that may address Obama’s eligibility will be Alan Keyes lawsuit, as he was another candidate in the election.
It is somewhat disconcerting that the common citizen doesn’t have standing for examining and challenging a candidate’s eligibility status. Haven’t a clue why, and it baffles some minds I know that are more legal savvy (as laymen) than mine.
However, as is our way, all suits wind their way thru the judicial food chain. If Keyes’ loses his argument in the lower courts, he can appeal his way all the way up to SCOTUS. But it does cost a pretty penny, and many who lose in the lower courts abandon their appeal process. It takes cash to stand up for your legal rights.
Craig, INRE your comment about Obama not being able to plead the 5th. This still comes down to the lawsuit even being heard for it’s content. Obama has not had to plead the fifth, as the only suit with any finality in the lower courts dismissed it without hearing the arguments. Make sense yet?
BTW, the SCOTUS is still mulling (last I knew) the “writ of certiorari”… which is the legal term for a request for review. In other words, they haven’t even decided if they would review the case at all.
Craig
15 years ago
Mata, you have to read this, it is from the same guy who is not a 2 of spades, he really knows Constitutional law. After reading it, tell me what you think about it.
Oupst… I had the wrong address, I corrected it now.
Craig
15 years ago
Mata, Mike, Curt, anyone, please read my post #49 that contains information you guys don’t even know about. This is the perfect article about constitutional law that I have ever read. So please read it and tell me what you think of it. It is a MUST.
As failed President FDR found, it a whole lot easier to sell the idea of make-work jobs than it is to deliver long lasting lower unemployment. If it weren’t for WWII, the world may still be in FDR’s depression.
BTW, FDR was a Democrat.
Well listen to the pot calling the kettle black…..
President-elect Barack Obama has distanced himself from the Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, who has been arrested on corruption charges Link to this video
The governor accused of trying to sell Barack Obama’s seat in the Senate faced growing pressure to resign yesterday as the president-elect called on him to step aside.
The call from Obama came as Rod Blagojevich turned up for work as usual 24 hours after the FBI arrested him at his home and accused him of setting a new low in corruption for his haggling over the price of a Senate seat.
Blagojevich, a Democrat, was released on bail later on Tuesday.
“Under the current circumstances, it is difficult for the governor to effectively do his job and serve the people of Illinois,” Obama’s spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said in a statement.
It was the most expansive statement to date from Obama on the scandal, which yesterday widened beyond the figure of Blagojevich to Jesse Jackson Jr, a son of the civil rights leader, who wanted the president-elect’s old Senate seat.
A lawyer for Jackson, a congressman and ally of Obama, acknowledged that he was the man identified as Senate Candidate 5 in the FBI wiretaps. Senate Candidate 5 is the only one of the contenders for Obama’s seat alleged to have acted improperly, news reports said yesterday.
Jackson was adamant he had done nothing wrong.
Read the rest here:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/11/usa-congress-obama-illinois
Yeah, thats what they are saying in the UK, but again for a reality check, read “The Case Against Barack Obama”, by David Freddoso. He was telling it like it was/is months ago.
“The Audacity of Audacity” is Hussein Obama’s next project if he can get his ghost writers lined up.
Someone needs to make a flow chart with pics. of all the suspicious people Obama since he was born that he has ties to and their ties – so on down the line. I think it would be very interesting.. Get to work you “geeks.”
This blog has been writing about Obama and his ties to corrupt Chicago pols for quite some time. Lot’s of sources, lots of information.
Start the flowchart:
http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/01/political-corruption-behind-barack_06.html
http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-elected-illinois-democratic.html
But, but, he’s clean, he’s a reformer, hope, change. Idiots.
Obama will come out of this untouched.. you watch Mike.
You are only dreaming if you think otherwise.
Yeah Real American Patriot: The only reason he will is that he takes a bath in teflon every night. If this had been a Republican I guarantee you they would have had him tried and convicted already…but they (the MSM) goes to great lengths to protect their wonder boy. And that is why I am so damn frustrated.
MSM=DNC Propganda Wing
Amen Hard Right…Amen
“Obama will come out of this untouched.. you watch Mike. You are only dreaming if you think otherwise.” (Real American Hater)
Sure because American haters like you protect this vicious crook. You are just as guilty and corrupted as THE ONE. I can’t believe you are an American… are you a radical Muslim? Or a black men that hates white people? Or are you just insane? I still cannot believe that some idiots voted for a liar, a manipulator, a cheater, a crook, a flip-flopper and a fraud.
I don’t agree with thought he can do what he wants and get away with it . America is too big a county with too many honest people to let this stand too much longer. At some point the wheels will fall off his wagon.
Tom: The NY Times did a nifty interactive online chart that shows the links between various Chicago pols and money men. You click on one guys name to see how he links up with the others:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/12/09/us/20081209_corruption.html
Interestingly, the Times left one name off the list and it just happens to be the name at the very center of all of this… Guess who?
I believe BHO will come out of this on top too, but not because he is not involved. It will come down to what is the definition of “no contact”.
Also the law in today’s world protects the crooks not the victims.
Obama works with the 3D’s method: Deny, Delay and Destroy.
Fox NOISE …. news with a republican slant
Every original post on this blog about Obama since the election has been about some sort of shocking expose. You guys are working overtime to catch him in the act of confirming your worst suspicions. I mean, really, can’t you find a single thing (say an appointment) that you would applaud, or at least respect? How about a discussion of his national defense team?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-national-security-bios2-2008dec02,0,2084556.story
And what’s the evidence of any wrongdoing? You’d think there would be truckloads, the way the accusations are flying. But no, it’s simply speculation and supposition, e.g.
I’ll tell you how the money was “raked in.” None of you would know it, because you aren’t on Obama’s world record email donor list. I am. I continue to get an average of one email soliticition, every other day, from David Pflouffe, Obama’s campaign director. These are great solicitation pieces, telling useful and interesting news, and making a special pitch for a special event. For example, when they were having that “register and vote at the same time” program going on in Ohio, I got an email telling me about it, with a link to a news story, and a plea for a $25 donation to pay for drivers to get the new voters transported, registered, and voted.
They continue to ask for donations. Can never have too big a war chest. But this is true democracy in action. George Will praised it as such. The median Obama donation was 85 dollars, which is, coincidentally, exactly what I gave. You can’t possibly raise $750 million from fat cat donors, at fundraising dinners, which is the quaint way that the GOP still does it. One of the reasons that Obama ran such an effective campaign is that he didn’t have to spend inordinate time going to irrelevant states getting money out of rich donors, who are, in any event, limited in the amount they can donate. The way you raise $750,000,000 is to have a donor list of more than 3,000,000 (these are not 3,000,000 “prospects” but 3,000,000 people who actually donated) and bombard them with emails and get them to cough up an average of $250 apiece (median of $85 apiece). Next time around, this is the way that Sarah Palin will raise her money. And you’ll see how effective (and how much more democratic/small “d”) it is.
– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA
Rather an exaggeration, Larry. Actually, Scott has posted both for and after the election extensively on how Obama would be Bush III by necessity… something I’d say most of us agree with.
“You guys are working overtime to catch him in the act of confirming your worst suspicions” ( Guess who said that? Larry W. of course)
And you Larry W. you are working overtime to try to justify your idiot voting for THE ONE. This is what we call PROJECTION.
RUH-ROH…RAHM EMANUEL CONTINUES TO DUCK QUESTIONS ON HOT ROD
“Blagojevch was caught on tape saying that he wanted the Obama advisor in question to know what Blagojevich wanted in exchange for the Jarrett appointment.” Blagojevich said, “He asks me for the fifth CD thing, I want it to be in his head.”
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/
OBAMAGATE: THE COVER-UP CONTINUES
“Disgusting and corrupt, all of it. Obama is playing the typical lawyer game with evidence. “You don’t have direct evidence, therefore I am innocent” For him and others to use the euphemism “We are appalled” is strictly designed for public consumption to quell the rising tide of suspicion and connection to the corruption.
And why does the news media still insist on calling the people involved for the senate seat “candidate #1, #2, etc to #5, when their identity is now known? ”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/obamagate-the-c.html
Larry: You sound a bit desperate to me.
On other threads you defended Obama by suggesting that all the character questions which continue to swirl around him were nothing but “guilt by association.”
Here I have documented guilt by participation and instead of responding to that clear evidence of corruption you launch on a tangent in a transparent attempt to distract readers.
Obama didn’t raise $750 million dollars by emailing you and likeminded Obamatons. You know it and I know it.
It’s about time you started to take Obama’s oh-so-evident flaws seriously if you want to preserve a modicum of credibility.
This Democrat Party of yours seems to be corrupte all from inside out. Read this:
… AND IN NEW-YORK, MORE SENATE SEAT PURCHASING POWER
“A confidant of Mr. Kennedy says the senator has been working the phones, trying to build support for his niece’s Caroline appointment.
You would think that with the recent events in Chicago, that Uncle Teddy would cut the crap and let the Governor of New York pick who he wants as Hillary’s replacement. But nope. It’s not to be. Teddy wants to help finish off New York and turn it into another Massachusetts. But most of all, he wants his ego correctly stoked before he dies. He wants the Kennedy name to be Forever entrenched in American politics.
And how does he do that? Well he’s Paying To Play, just like Chicago, only with more finesse. Just like the rest of our entrenched Senators, he is accustomed to making things happen the way he wants them to be. As the polls go, the people of NY do not prefer her or her ability to get a nice pile of dirty money from people who don’t even care about New York…”
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/and-in-new-york-more-senate-seat-purchasing-power/
“The heart of machine politics is deal making and deal making is a political tradition in Illinois. You give nothing away. Everything is traded. Everything is a deal and that’s how this state has operated from the very beginning.” (Paul Green, director of the Institute for Politics at Chicago’s Roosevelt University) LINK
Patrick Fitzgerald should be feeling like Eliot Ness right about now. Taking on the “Mob” mentality in 21st century Illinois parallels Ness’s late 20’s adventure of bringing a furniture dealer named Alphonse Capone to justice.
So far, President-elect Barack Obama, (who emerged from the cesspool of the Chicago Machine) has been tip-towing through the tulips avoiding the apparent associations that shaped his political career.
Rovin: It’s perfectly clear to everybody but Larry the enabler that Obama’s toe has tripped on more than a few of those tulips in the Chicago cesspoll.
His Chicago Political mentor Emil Jones, the former Chicago sewer inspector (yes, he really was) sure did teach him well.
Obama is a con artist and everybody knows it, except a few brainwashed fans.
BARACK, THE AMAZING MR. OBAMA
By Marl S Mcgrew
Excerpt:
“… Barack Obama may just win his place in history as the greatest con man of all time. A hundred million people believed him and spent 600 million dollars to get him “elected” to the highest office in America, without ever knowing if he is or is not eligible to even run as an American citizen.
Every con man walking free or in jail is an articulate speaker. Who would give their trust to a man who could not use the right words to convince his targets to trust him? Articulate speaking is no way to judge or rate the integrity of a person.
Every con game uses three ingredients against the target: Sell the dream. Push the greed button. Stress urgency.
Obama sold the dream of hope and change so desperately wanted by the American voters. He pushed the greed button by promising to take from the rich to give to the poor. And he stressed urgency by himself and his wife telling voters to vote early. Another final nail in the coffin a con man uses against his targets is “The Jack Call”. After your sucker has committed himself to buying your offer, but has not sent the check, the con man calls him with “Good news!!!” and constantly re-sells his target until the check has cleared and the funds are in the con man’s bank account.
The non-existent Office of the President Elect is the Jack Call. The constant news shots of his “involvement and concern” in national and world issues are the repeated Jack Calls.
It remains to be seen if Barry Sotero, Barack Obama or whatever his name is, is appointed President by the Electoral College.”
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-0/
LEGAL NOTICE
Excerpt:
“Patrick Fitzgerald and the US Justice Department have been involved in an investigation of crime and corruption in Chicago and IL, sometimes referred to as “pay for play.” This investigation and subsequent prosecutions has been methodical and well executed. The initial focus was on Tony Rezko and his trial and conviction that evolved out the testimony of Stuart Levine who had been wiretapped.
Multiple indictments and arrests have developed from the Rezko trial leading up to the recent arrest of IL Governor Rod Blagojevich. All of the people indicted or arrested out of the investgation have one thing in common. Connections to Barack Obama. It has been believed for months that Rezko would talk and that Blagojevich and/or Obama was next. It is now time to indict Barack H. Obama.
The names of Blagojevich and Obama were mentioned regularly during the Rezko trial. Since Blagojevich and Obama were not on trial at the time, much information known about them was withheld. To understand this fact simply read the Criminal.
Complaint against Rod Blagojevich. It is apparent that much more is known about Barack Obama and that he is next in line to be indicted.
Since Barack Obama is attempting to sneak through the election process with a great many legal questions clouding his past and since the American public needs and depends on the Judicial Branch of government to protect it from criminals and imposters, I Citizen Wells, on behalf of the American public, ask that Mr.Patrick Fitzgerald or any authorized employee of the US Justice Department, present Mr. Barack H. Obama with an indictment and/or Criminal Complaint at the earliest possible moment, with time being of the essence. The Electoral College meets next week and it is imperative that we do all that is in our power to prevent a constitutional crisis in this country.”
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/
“I Citizen Wells, on behalf of the American public, ask that Mr.Patrick Fitzgerald or any authorized employee of the US Justice Department, present Mr. Barack H. Obama with an indictment and/or Criminal Complaint at the earliest possible moment, with time being of the essence. The Electoral College meets next week and it is imperative that we do all that is in our power to prevent a constitutional crisis in this country.”
Craig: Such action would cause a constitutional crisis, not prevent one. And it’s not going to happen.
Debbie Schlussel has a which confirms my earlier suspicion that Fitzgerald purposely played the timing of this to avoid damaging Obama:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/12/federal_sources.html
It’s all the more reason to appoint a special prosecutor. Especially so if Fitzgerald hasn’t questioned Obama who is still a private citizen or any of his aides who do not yet have the power and constitutional position of the White House to hide behind.
Craig and Mike, I told you Larry is in deluded mode. He is desperate to believe that obama is the savior and no amount of proof to the contrary will change that. In fact, any attempt to convince him otherwise will only drive him deeper into denial.
Like I said, when obama flops he will blame everyone but obama.
You’re correct of course H.R. And I don’t suppose I would mind so much except that Larry poses as some sort of objective commenter which is anything but true.
His credibility has been seriously undermined and I expect that as further skeletons tumble from Obama’s closet we will see it erode further.
Would it be too callous to set up a pool and take bets on when he finally cracks altogether?
Mike, I think it is the reverse. You see SCOTUS does not have the guts to remove Obama because he is ineligible for POTUS. It would look like a racist thing to do and cause a riot in the country. But if they can indicted him with corruption before he is sworn in, not so many of his fans will mind. Nobody wants a corrupt POTUS. So I think that this could be their way out. This Blago arrest wasn’t a coincidence in time.
Okay, I don’t think anyone needs “defending” here that can’t defend themselves. But have to speak up on what I think are some blanket misconceptions.
I see a huge difference between some of the less than analytical Obama faithful and Larry. He has been one of the first Obama (via vote) supporters that has outright stated that Obama’s presidency is all about “Obama” and his legacy. And this is a fact that affects his every decision… including what tie to wear, or how to hold his head and what background in a photo op. Larry, while we don’t agree, doesn’t put blinders on with Obama. He’s just banking that he’s going to be ruled by the left of center liberal norm throughout his tenure of one term.
Nothing truer could be stated. Obama is consumed with Obama. He said anything to the electorate to get the job. And now that he’s got it, he’s going to follow the yellow brick road of fame and wise (aka safe) advice. That is, if you can find it in the Clintonista leftovers in this world of multiple crises.
Think what you want, of course. But I see a huge difference between Larry and those more entranced with “that one”… for example. Jan/sanjay, Erika/voter, or David/David101/Jasmine.
Craig, INRE your comment:
I’m not sure if you understand how our court system works. But a review by the SCOTUS of Berg’s case will only address if the lower court’s decision was correct. Meaning, the federal courts threw Berg’s case out for standing… had nothing to do with the content of his argument.
Asking the SCOTUS to review the case does not mean they look at his content. They are only looking at whether the decision to throw the case out for standing is upheld… or not. If it isn’t, it goes back to to the lower courts for the content.
Therefore the SCOTUS is not deciding whether Obama is eligible. Only if a private citizen has standing to bring such a suit against a candidate’s birth status.
INRE you “picture” comment… frankly I wouldn’t want anyone analyzing my photos. For every good one, you can find about 3000 bad ones… And I have no idea what his photo has to do with anything.
Yes Mata, I read the mash note he wrote to you in your latest post. I’m sure he’ll consider the debt paid. Is this the FLopping Aces version of pay for play?
Larry insisted that questions about Obama’s character were guilt by association. It’s proven to be guilt by participation so of course Larry tries to change the subject.
You wouldn’t let that pass and I’m sure you don’t expect me to as well.
It’s entirely possible that good ole Lar will have a meltdown when he realizes how he has been fooled. But if you want to suggest it is crass to set up a pool and take bets on the date you may be right (or not).
Craig: Not sure I agree that nobody wants a corrupt prez. Most of these Obamatons could care less. Even if they knew, which most of them do not, that Obama has these ties to a sewer of corruption in Chicago my bet is that they would say “so what?”
True, he is anything but objective. When he said something to the effect that he thinks obama will go on to be one of our greatest presidents, it’s clear rational thought has died. Mike, I’m betting September 2009. Maybe a little callous, but I think he can take it. Warview has already snapped, tho.
LOL! Mike, this isn’t a quid pro quo. I don’t agree with Larry’s assertations about “every post” being some sort of a hit piece, and we constantly do battle on the financial/housing crises causes.
All I’m saying is that Larry has been on record about his lukewarm support for Obama since the beginning. Search his earliest comments and you’ll get a refresher course. He was betting that Obama was lying in his campaign just to win from the beginning, and would end up being a virtual puppet and slave to a quest for a legacy to die for.
Thus far, Larry’s prediction that Obama would “govern from the center” are correct. I’m not surprised… nor think this is an earth shattering prediction… as Obama’s not “governing” anything but when to change the roll of toilet paper in his bathroom right now. And the ultimate proof of that pudding truly lies down the road a couple of years.
I’m only saying that Larry is the one Obama voter I’ve heard here that has seen Obama’s vanity, and has rolled the dice on that vanity for his administrative behavior. That’s completely different than being a’swoon, ya know. His support has an element of cynicism that I haven’t seen in many others.
Mata, INRE to your #29 post:
OK, but then it means that SCOTUS doesn’t believe that the lower court will do their job, so they prefer an indictement of corruption for Obama so he will not reach the White House… it is more secure this way. SCOTUS sure do not want an impostor for POTUS.
INRE your # 28 post:
We always knew that Obama only cared for himself, Larry is only acting like a parrot. Oh Obama will be famous, no doubt. He will be known for the greatest con man of history. And don’t kid yourself , don’t believe a moment that he is moving center or right. This is only “The Jack Call”.
“After your sucker has committed himself to buying your offer, but has not sent the check, the con man calls him with “Good news!!!” and constantly re-sells his target until the check has cleared and the funds are in the con man’s bank account.
The non-existent Office of the President Elect is the Jack Call. The constant news shots of his “involvement and concern” in national and world issues are the repeated “Jack Calls.”
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-0/
See my post #22
Craig.. INRE
No, that is not the way the SCOTUS works. They do not, and CANNOT deal with the specifics of a case. They deal with the decision of the courts in appeal.
Had the lower courts found Berg’s arguments invalid, and ruled in favor of Obama’s attorney’s… saying he was eligible, the SCOTUS could address that. That is not what the federal court ruled. They ruled only that the lawsuit was dismissed for standing.
Therefore, that is the ONLY issue the SCOTUS can address… whether Berg has standing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Period. They will not address Obama’s elibility in this ruling. Only whether or not a US citizen has the standing to challenge a candidate for POTUS’s birth… a subject, I might add, I find intriguing.
BTW… just because I understand where Larry is coming from, and separate him from the David/Jasmines of the world, doesn’t mean I agree with him. I’m well aware what Obama is doing right now. Where Larry and I differ is he believes Obama will continue on that path. I think, if Obama sees his opening after midterms to implement more serious socialist policies – and the economy to support it – he’ll jump on it like a horny toad at a Saturday honky tonk.
Mike,
I agree his thugs wouldn’t, but the ones who didn’t know anything about him will probably mind.
Mata,
Watch out for Larry, it is clear that he needs a friend here. I hope flattery will get him nowhere and that you will see thru him. He is a manipulator of facts, reality and people just like Obama. Remember: Like attrats like. And don’t forget to read my post #34
The problem with Larry’s claim that obama has moved to the center is that I’ve shown he hasn’t. Yes obama is all about obama…..and obama’s beliefs. He believes America is a racist country and MUST be forced to change in a way he approves of. That includes socialism.
His mother was a marxist, his “uncle” Frank was a member of the USA Communist party. In college he made it a point to associate with the far left radicals. He hooked up with Ayers. He made it a point to attend Khalidi’s going away party. He attended a church that preached hate against whites and and black liberation theology. He voted very far left through out his public service. The man is a far left stooge.
Now that’s a vivid image. Thanks for the laugh.
Mata and Larry sitting in a tree……K-I-S-S-I-N-G.
First comes love, then comes marriage.
Then comes Mata pushing Larry in a baby carriage!
HR, allow me to clarify. I certainly believe Obama is Marxist at heart. However I also believe that Obama’s first concern is Obama and his legacy.
He has no more chance of maintaining the nation’s “love” if he rushes to socialist/Marxism full throttle. Therefore he sneaks into position with a moderate liberal position. In this way, he doesn’t feel he will jeopardize the 2010 midterm progressive power in Congress.
If he succeeds in looking “moderate” to the public, keeps the DNC empowered in all branches past midterms, he can then make a far more drastic socialist move in policies… provided the economy can handle it. He is about power. He is about being loved and revered. He can not do either if he takes a hard left turn in the first 100 days…. or even first 18 months. It has to be a gentle and controlled turn.
If he was foolish enough to try hard left, he’d be despised by most of the country within months. Ain’t gonna happen.
Thanks for the ballad, Mike… haven’t felt “pre-teen” aged in heaven knows how long… LOL
Mata you are not being clear.
You say: Had the lower courts found Berg’s arguments invalid, and ruled in favor of Obama’s attorney’s… saying he was eligible, the SCOTUS could address that.
But then you also say: Therefore, that is the ONLY issue the SCOTUS can address… whether Berg has standing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Period.
I do not follow you. Which one of these two statements is right?
Mata, you read my mind. Light reading I know, but you read it all the same. Obama was taught by Ayers who learned from Alinsky. Alinsky said that to turn America communist or even deeply socialist, they could NOT openly declare that as their goal. They would have to achieve their ends by means of stealth.
If you look, you can see that obama has placed the instruments of socialist change into positions of power. Chu is the latest example. When he turns them loose we will be screwed. Larry does not want to see that or how obama is anything but a moderate.
“He is about power.” Right on the dot Mata. His goal is to destroy capitalism in America. He will then be the most famous person in the world for having destroyed USA. His ambition is not restrained to the USA, his ambition his worldwide. He is now playing the ” Jack Calls”. Did you read my # 33 post?
Craig, the SCOTUS does not “retry” a case. Maybe that will say it better. They only review the decision of the lower courts, making sure it is not antithesis to precedents and Constitutional law.
SCENARIO ONE (make believe): Berg’s case was presented, as was the defense. The US federal court ruled in favor of the defense (Obama & sundry other plaintiffs) that Obama was indeed eligible. Berg did not prove his case, and appeals it to the High Court.
In this scenario, the SCOTUS can review the facts of the case as the decision of the court was based on whether or not the content fit with precedent law. This is not what happened with Berg.
SCENARIO TWO (the real deal): Berg’s case was dismissed.. thrown out. Had nothing to do with whether Obama was, or was not eligible. It was thrown out because the judge decided Berg did not have the “standing” as a private citizen to bring the lawsuit to court at all. Therefore, forget the argument for or against eligibility. Not even an issue.
This is the reality. All SCOTUS can look at is if the federal court was correct to throw out Berg’s suit because of standing. Nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility.
Mata,
So who will prove Obama eligibility if the lower court do not want to look at the case? Will your country let this impostor ruled the States? An illegal alien ruling the States even tho it is against the Constitution? What kind of a country is this? No one has the right to ask him to prove is eligibility? Gee, you might as well be in a dictatorship country, I see no difference.
Mata,
Did you read that article written by Edwin Vieira that I have posted on another thread here: Pleadint the 5th amendment?
Edwin Vieira, Jr., holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School). For more than thirty years he has practiced law, with emphasis on constitutional issues.
Here is an excerpt:
I was saying that Obama could not plead the 5th.
IN THE SHADOW OF NEMESIS
“… In the interest of expediting the process, the custodians of records in Hawaii would also be subpoenaed to testify and to produce all relevant documents subject to their control. To be sure, Obama himself might invoke a privilege against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment as the grounds for refusing to testify or to disgorge inculpatory papers. But custodians of public records in Hawaii or elsewhere throughout the United States have no such privilege. And no Hawaiian or other law of the States or the General Government purporting to make those records “confidential” can frustrate the Sixth Amendment.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm
Craig, if the SCOTUS rules that Berg, as a citizen, has standing, the federal courts will have to take up Berg’s arguments about Obama’s eligibility. Their dismissal will be over turned. I do not anticipate this happening. As I’ve said a few times, the only one I can see that may address Obama’s eligibility will be Alan Keyes lawsuit, as he was another candidate in the election.
It is somewhat disconcerting that the common citizen doesn’t have standing for examining and challenging a candidate’s eligibility status. Haven’t a clue why, and it baffles some minds I know that are more legal savvy (as laymen) than mine.
However, as is our way, all suits wind their way thru the judicial food chain. If Keyes’ loses his argument in the lower courts, he can appeal his way all the way up to SCOTUS. But it does cost a pretty penny, and many who lose in the lower courts abandon their appeal process. It takes cash to stand up for your legal rights.
And yes, I read your link.
Craig, INRE your comment about Obama not being able to plead the 5th. This still comes down to the lawsuit even being heard for it’s content. Obama has not had to plead the fifth, as the only suit with any finality in the lower courts dismissed it without hearing the arguments. Make sense yet?
BTW, the SCOTUS is still mulling (last I knew) the “writ of certiorari”… which is the legal term for a request for review. In other words, they haven’t even decided if they would review the case at all.
Mata, you have to read this, it is from the same guy who is not a 2 of spades, he really knows Constitutional law. After reading it, tell me what you think about it.
OBAMA MUST STAND UP NOW OR STEP DOWN
By:Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
October 29, 2008
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
Oupst… I had the wrong address, I corrected it now.
Mata, Mike, Curt, anyone, please read my post #49 that contains information you guys don’t even know about. This is the perfect article about constitutional law that I have ever read. So please read it and tell me what you think of it. It is a MUST.
OBAMA MUST STAND UP NOW OR STEP DOWN
By:Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
October 29, 2008
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm