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The author goes on to promise that once oil hits $8 a barrel a host of welcome change will befall us all. It’s a pure socialist and Utopian fantasy and a dangerous one at that.
It should read “$8 a gallon”
Leah
15 years ago
I think that even if the moratorium was lifted and we could drill offshore, the situation will turn to the noted above: lawsuits from environmental groups blocking all action. This time around, it’ll even break the 1.180 average noted between the years of 2001-2007. Money-hungry lawyers coupled up with environmental agencies too stubborn to listen to facts makes lawsuits like flies to a carcass.
Makes me glad I decided not to go into environmental law.
Cheap gas and failure to innovate are what the higher gas prices would be a remedy for? And what welcome change, exactly? The change of the amount of cash we hold in our wallets?
Thanks Bronze. Unlike the libs, I’d rather be optimistic that the price can go down. Though I doubt it will hit $8 a barrel.
kathie
15 years ago
It is said that by 2025 that some small percentage of our economy will function on alternative energies. I have heard it said there is no longer any one around who knows how to build nuclear plants it’s been so long since we built one. Not that the Dems would allow the building of one.
Lets look at what the Dems have done in the last 2 years. Our deficit has grown by leaps and bounds. The auto industry, air industry, trucking industry have been run into deficits and their people have swelled the ranks of the unemployed. Everything that is transported costs much more, so not only are we dealing with higher gas prices but food prices as well. Roads that were scheduled to be paved are being put off because oil is involved and is too expensive. Wait until the cold weather sets in on the East coast the winning will be unbearable. You can not take the one commodity off the market that runs America and expect that there is enough money collected in taxes to keep people afloat. Algore says we will all feel some pain in this transition…….not the millionaires! I’m wondering what planet these smart people live on.
…. protests, appeals and lawsuits over oil development averaged 1,180 per year between 2001 and 2007, a 706% increase over 1997-2000. The IER notes, for instance, that 100% of New Mexico’s 78 oil leases were protested by environmental and neighborhood groups.
And just how much of a coincidence is it that the 3rd IPCC report that put the confidence level of AGW at between 66 and 90 percent just happened to be issued in 2001… right about the time those lawsuits sky rocketed?
Scrapiron
15 years ago
Stop the lawsuits. Make the person filing the suit and the lawyer pay through the nose everytime they lose (total cost to company including lost sales and legal expensives, with punative damages 5 times the award) and they lose enough to break most of them from sucking eggs. A little undercover work by the public on all lawyers involved would break up a lot of families but they deserve it. 99% of lawyers are involved in something illegal (hookers, drugs, lovers) , just look around and out them. Most of their employee’s are paying for gas, on a small salary, from a crooked rich lawyer so they will help you. Independant lawyers and large firms can go down the tube with one small discovery. Discover it and reveal it.
Leah
15 years ago
It’s not that easy, Scrapiron. It’s not always a guarantee that those who bring the lawsuits (in this case, the environazis) would lose. Most cases don’t even go to court – they force a settlement. Even if it does go to court, you never know what kind of a judge may be assigned to overlook the case. Even though they learn in law school to be objective and to not base a decision on personal views or emotions, some judges violate what they’ve been taught.
True, there are lawyers as dirty as politicians, but not 99% of them. Their employers (for those who work in firms) usually offer to pay for transportation, such as a bus, but I haven’t heard of any that pay its employees for gas (though that might be my own lack of knowledge on that).
The only solution is to keep these lawsuits out of court. Even if those bringing lawsuits agreed to a settlement, that would only benefit them financially. What’s needed is a strong tort reform to keep such cases out of court. These environmental agencies, as I’d imagine, would use every single dirty trick in the book to bring forth a lawsuit that sticks, just so that they could win. Bringing down the attorneys and their firms is not the solution.
BarbaraS
15 years ago
Call me simple. Call me naive. But how can congress prevent drilling for oil in international waters? Even though drilling is proposed offshore, we’re talking about 50 miles out. Way beyond our shores. Does the fist of congress extend all that distance? If so, why are they allowing China to drill off our shores between Key West and Cuba? I’ll tell you why. They can’t stop them. They can only stop US companies and I would like to know why. The enviromentalist say drillling would spoil the beauty of the beaches but what good is the beauty of the beaches if no one can afford to drive there to see them. And China is not going to be to careful or environmentally concious.
All this is just a way to control us and I resent it bitterly. Who are these people to tell us how to live our lives.? Most of them are crooks and have been indicted for one thing or another. A good many of them are involved in sexual schemes and bribery. These people go to congress without much and come out millionaires. The only answer to that is chicanery.
The dems are obviously being bribed. By the environmentalists? By the Saudis? Or by the whole of OPEC. Or by all of them. This is the only explanation except one other. They want to control us. Oil runs the economy and when they have control of oil (which at present they sort of do) they can tax us and put restictions on our lives. We are, to them, the little people. They forget who puts them in power and if the people of this country had any balls they would toss these guys out on their ears. It is too bad the run of the mill democrats can’t see what is happening. They actually believe these guys and follow them like sheep without a thought or a care.
I do hope these prices wake some people up to the problem. I, myself, do not have much of a problem with gas. I am retired and only fill up my Hundai Accent once a month or once every six weeks but I feel for the people who have to travel 1/2 hour or an hour to work every day. This must be killing them. The most important reason for lower gas prices is getting to work. And there is no public transportation for those distances. That would be from one city to another. What are they supposed to do? Quit their jobs and try to get one locally. If that were possible they would have gotten one locally before the rise in gas prices. Like all the dems schemes the end results are disastrious. They cannot think ahead. That is the big problem with their feel good schemes.
Maybe these prices will cause changes to be made in congress. Surely even the dem public is angry at their representtives’ actions.
We do need tort reform. It would put some of these law firms out of business and stop the environmentalists from racking up big settlements to fuel their ongoing war with the rest of the country. The Endangered Species Act was an egregious legislative act. It sounded so innocuous in the beginning that Nixon didn’t see the danger involved. We should all take a lesson from that. Never take anything the dems propose at face value. There is always a hidden agenda. And that hidden agenda usually involves taking more of our liberties away from us. The dems are slowly eroding our freedom and brainwashing our children leading us to socialsm. The dems declaring that the Patriot Act is taking alway our liberties is laughable. The dem congress is working away like little beavers to take more and more away from us. And they do it with straight faces too.
Philly_NJ
15 years ago
If oil prices keep rising the #1 endangered species this winter will be the Human Beings who can’t afford to heat their homes, can’t afford gas for their SUVs to plough through the snow to get out of their front gates and off to work and obvioulsy if a person can’t get to work there will be less money for food, the cost of which is rising out of control because of high oil prices and Ethanol production.
The Democrats have a term for the above “Unforseen Circumstances”….taint unforseen by Mr. & Mrs average American…. but what would we know ?…Drill here drill now seems logical to this SUV driving, Redneck, Pennsylvanian.
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I expect when the price of gas goes to $6 or $7gal you’ll see a lot more people trying things like this homemade hydrogen generator to run your car on instead of straight gasoline.
yonason
15 years ago
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. – Abraham Lincoln”
Speaking of dirty little secrets.
Back in the ’60’s I saw a Lefty cartoon with in iterresting punchline, one the Dems have mastered but no one else seems to be aware of, and that is “… you don’t HAVE to fool all the people all the time.”
I was so startled to realize the significance that I never forgot it, but it wasn’t until relatively recently that I began to see how they put it into practice. All you have to do is fool just enough of them to tip the scales in your favor. If you have the right marketers/propagandists to get a few of them to believe your lies, …and then if you can manage to get the dead (etc.,) vote, …and failing that, if you are close enough for a recount to obliterate an opponent’s narrow lead by man-handling his chads but not your own, …then you are in office and the rubes can’t do a thing about it.
If it weren’t for their dirty little tricks, the Demonrat party would be an historical artifact.
Scott: I kept waiting for that little hydrogen thingee to explode! Was that manufactured by the Hindenburg automobile company?
Yonason: Right you are. All the Dems have to do is fool enough people to sway an election. Not all that difficult considering that their base is so willfully ignorant to begin with.
john e morrissey
15 years ago
Every time one of the Dem leaders is on TV, they argue that whatever it is that the Pres and the Repubs are proposing 1/ won t deliver any oil for ten years, 2/will only produce 1 million or so bbls of oil per day, a drop in the bucket, and therefore we should invest in windpower, solar power, corn power, thatch grass power etc.
They should immediately be challenged to tell us when windpower, solar etc will reach 1 million bbls per day equivalent and at what cost, and at what damage to the environment e g, the wind cuisinarts in Southern California kill hundreds of golden eagles and other protected speies each year.If these windsources,( Schumer comes to mind) are challenged consistently , it could change the publics love for pie in the sky
yonason
15 years ago
@Mike’s America
“I kept waiting for that little hydrogen thingee to explode!”
LOL! I did, too! What a disappointment.
(it looks like whatever that contraption is doing, it’s running off the car, and if it is generating H2 while the car is running, and if there’s a leak, it’s just a matter of time before . . . BOOM! for real.)
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>>There is always a hidden agenda. And that hidden agenda usually involves taking more of our liberties away from us.>>
Agreed. And the hidden agenda here is that if it gets bad enough, there will be a tremendous outcry from the population. Then under great stress, the Dems – if they have the politicial power – will reluctantly take over the oil companies in order to help the “little” people. Causing anarchy is likely to result in the demand for a strong governmental reaction, which will result in the Statist Government they want. That’s their goal….the State as the sole arbiter of right and wrong, who gets how much of what (and you can bet that they’ll get the bestest!) and in control of everything and everyone.
It’s scarey…way scarey.
DW 5000
15 years ago
Then under great stress, the Dems – if they have the politicial power – will reluctantly take over the oil companies in order to help the “little” people. Causing anarchy is likely to result in the demand for a strong governmental reaction, which will result in the Statist Government they want.
Do you perhaps have your tinfoil hat screwed down too tightly, suek?
California’s most influential black lawmaker, Democrat Representative Maxine Waters, made the threat during recent congressional hearings with oil company executives. She said the federal government would take over their industry if they failed to do something to stop the escalating price of gasoline.
Waters told the president of a major oil company to “guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal would be all about socializing — uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies.”
Is this what you’re thinking of, Suek? I guess that tinfoil hat was handed to you, courtesy of Maxine herself.
OK, same story, different link. Note that Waters let herself slip, and said it’s all about “…socializing, uh, uh,…” We know what they want. WHY DON’T THE IDIOTS WHO VOTE FOR THEM?! (or maybe they do, and that’s what THEY want?)
CAT NOW OUT OF BAG
DEMOCRAT = SOCIALIST
(Yeah, I know MataHarley just said it, but it’s just so astounding that you can show them the truth and have it not register. Repeating it is somehow a response to that, but apparently not an effective enough one.)
John Ryan
15 years ago
The ban on offshore drilling was signed by a Republican president. ALL 26 deep water oil rigs are currently on long term lease, the next new one is due for completion in 3 years it is going to Brazil. They cost over a billion dollars and are not an off the shelf item Exactly how would you like to go about START DRILLING NOW with a Dewalt or with a Black and Decker. As far as land based oil rigs are concerned we have never had as high a percentage of drills working right now as we do now. OK Barbara you are simple. Barbara in general the USA claims waters out to 200 miles as being in there economic control this includes fishing and mining/oil drilling. But of course other countries do also so often the boundary is the midpoint as in the case with Cuba As far as the Chinese drilling off Key west please post a link. Here is a rebuttal http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.htmlhttp://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/12/mel-martinez-v-cheney/
Oh and the person doing the rebuttal is the Mel Martinez Senator R Fla former Chairman of the republican National Committee So sorry no Chinese drilling there
Pretty much all of the homemade or magic machines that are supgpposed to give your car better mpg do not work. They have negible effect on mpgs. They tried many of them on Myth Busters and none of them worked.
Many of the oil reserves already have wells on them also, and it would take only a few years for them to get online. So the myth of not having an affect on oil prices til 2030 or whatever the new date the Dems put out there is total BS. And if they start drilling now, gas prices will go down now, because the future trading price will drop, because there will be more supply in the future.
Rob
15 years ago
Someone has to think ahead past the next election. It seems that it is just not possible for Democrats.
I am getting the impression that at $150 per barrel, all kinds of new energy sources become economic, this easily includes drilling new wells in the US and many other potential alternative energy sources. I say try em all, make sure they are not blocked by the environmentalists and get out of the way.
Democrats want only their politically correct solutions. We can sit in the dark and freeze until they get their way.
yonason
15 years ago
“Someone has to think ahead past the next election. It seems that it is just not possible for Democrats.” — Rob
While the Dems are far worse, the Reps aren’t such geniuses either. Of course, it doesn’t help that we are all kept in the dark by the MSM which is too busy chasing each others tails to bother reporting any actual news. If you want news, you’ll have to supplement your American sources with foreign, constantly checking reliability by comparing what they are all saying and never letting go of a vigilant skepticism.
John Ryan asserts that the Chinese are not doing any drilling off of Cuba. Let’s check that…
They seem to have been active then. What about now?
Looking for info on current status…
…the difficulty of finding anything other than a few stories that all sound the same (meaning they are probably from the same source) suggests that John Ryan may actually be (are you sitting down?) correct this once! Well, accidents do happen.
Now my appetite is whetted, I wonder what else is out there on this…
…still, not much, so I guess the Chinese really aren’t drilling off our shores, ….YET.
So, there is a connection. But, even though the Chinese are NOT yet drilling there, DRILLING IS BEING DONE, AND CHINA IS FACILITATING IT BY SUPPLYING THE EQUIPMENT.
I wonder how our envirozealot friends feel about having Chinese drilling, or even Cubans drilling with Chinese equipement and presumably methods?
The Chinese have a terrible record on environmental protection and something tells me they aren’t going to go to the Florida Keys and clean up the mess should one of their drilling rigs have a spill.
It’s also possible that the Chinese/Cubans/whoever could do slant drilling that would sap oil deposits under U.S. controlled waters.
Far better for the environment and the American consumer if American companies, adhering to U.S. environmental regulations would extract that oil.
yonason
15 years ago
“Far better for the environment and the American consumer if American companies, adhering to U.S. environmental regulations would extract that oil.” — Mike’s America
Petrobras [Brazil’s state-run oil company], Cupet sign cooperation agreement — 1/16/2008 (“foresees the assessment of offshore blocks in the Cuban sector of the Gulf of Mexico.”) http://www.energycurrent.com/index.php?id=4&storyid=8189
Ok. I don’t have any more time tonight, but it’s obvious that something is going on, and it involves a lot of players who keep coming and going so fast it looks like at a “Chinese fire drill.” It’s got me interested, but I don’t have the tools to dig much deeper (most of the trade journals where all the real info probably resides require fees for articles, or membership dues).
My guess is that it was just too complicated for the journalists who are pushing the “China drilling” story, so they made up some stuff that they thought would sound good based on whatever keywords they picked up on. It’s not like that hasn’t happened before, …like regularly.
Oh, I almost forgot. Although John Ryan is technically correct, that the ChiComs aren’t drilling, it doesn’t mean that no one is, or the Cuba isn’t hustling it’s fascist butt off trying to get someone to do it. So, he is still wrong. (Had me worried there for bit.)
You might remember this graphic Curt found a while back:
And your catalog of links made me think: I wonder if there are some stats out there showing how drilling is exploding among all these other oil producing nations. I know there are new finds by Mexico, Brazil, Russia, Sweden etc. that are being drilled.
Eastern Europe – 29
The Far East -26
Gulf of Mexico – 336
Latin America 125
The Mediterranean – 10
The Middle East – 76
The North Sea – 80
West Africa – 59
Australia / Asia – 76
Southern Asia – 28
East Coast Canada – 5
yonason
15 years ago
CURIOUSER AND CURIOUSER
(couldn’t sleep, but now I’m done, as you’ll see at the end)
h o l d t h e p h o n e !!! an accurate report??? (from July 24, 2006) http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jul/24/20060724-122242-7824r/ “Cuba is drilling for oil 60 miles [?] off the coast of Florida with help from China [they supply equipment], Canada [Sherritt International***] and Spain [?(Brazilians speak Spanish)?] even as Congress struggles to end years of deadlock over drilling for what could be a treasure trove of offshore oil and gas.”
WAIT!! From what I found out (see my last 2 posts) these guys got it right (or at least close enough for the proverbial cigar) back in ’06. So why the heck is everyone else getting it wrong in the middle of ’08??!! That’s disgusting!! Does Cheney REALLY get his news from George Will? Could that report possibly be true? I mean, Halliburton HAS to know more than Will about something so close to it’s heart (pocket book). Is our country really being run by a bunch of sock puppets? …mostly malicious ones on the Left, and many well-meaning on the Right, but fools none the less? It CAN’T be THAT bad!
Could it be that the Lefty media report it incorrectly so that when the Right talk about it, and then truth is later “leaked” out, that they are made to look bad and they loose credibility? Could that be part of the Left’s nasty little game? Don’t the Lefties know that those who tell lies for them now can just as easily lie against them later? Stupid Lefty idiots.
(***See my post #22, in which the reference I gave indicates that Sharritt of Canada may actually be the ones doing the drilling, either instead of or in addition to Cuba, that’s not clear to me yet.)
John Ryan
15 years ago
Technically correct ? yeah that is right the Chinese are not drilling there. They sure will try to get in on it along with Norway Spain Brazil Venezula Mexico So I stand by what the Republican Senator from Florida says, The Chinese are NOT drilling there. As far as Chinese equipment being used well of course just as Chinese equipment is being used to unload our containers at US ports or for that matter is being used by me right now typing on this computer. Probably Chinese equipment is also being used in most American kitchens. You know I bet they eat some Chinese food in Cuba also. Most of the new drill ships are being built in China regardless of for what company they are sold to to which ccompany they are then leased to or where they will work. However again at this time there are no Chinese companies drilling in Cuban waters.
John Ryan
15 years ago
So I guess “technically” I was right and you were wrong. Mike I do make mistakes but not often and not on this matter.
John Ryan: I am sorry to point out to you that I never said the Chinese WERE drilling.
Your comment #19 “rebuts” another comment. Not mine.
So…. you were WRONG to say that I was wrong.
I guess you do make mistakes more frequently than you thought.
No surprise there.
John Ryan
15 years ago
Mike my comment was in response to Barbara’s comment that the Chinese were drilling off Cuba. You said that I was wrong I stand by what I said the Chinese are NOT drilling off Cuba.
yonason
15 years ago
CHINESE OIL, UH, FIRE DRILL
I’m guessing that the reason for making such a big fuss about the ChiComs is that they are a lot scarier than the Canadians or the Spanish ( or Brazilians, or whomever). But the point(s) is(are) that (a) Cuba is trying to exploit the oil reserves (b) we are not – (c) WE NEED TO.
As I pointed out, the Washington Times GOT THE STORY RIGHT back in 2006. But, since then, somehow the story has gotten distorted in some of the Right and Left-wing press.
And so what if the Chinese aren’t drilling there YET? Does that mean that if they do it tomorrow instead of today we shouldn’t get started now?
tell us the ChiComs and others are probably GOING to be drilling there. So, even if some idiot got the timing wrong, and even if Republicans aren’t terribly bright, the fact is that we need to exploit our resources for our benefit, and we need to start NOW. The argument that we shouldn’t based on a technicality, is just plain dishonest and stupid.
I am really upset with those idiot Republicans who carelessly [I don’t think they are lying] use unreliable information to support such an important agenda. That only gives those like John Ryan an opening to argue that because they are wrong on a technicality they must be wrong about the whole agenda. They sabotage their own efforts, and ultimately the good of the country, not to mention giving the false impression that the Democrats know what they are doing.
As to Mel Martinez (who happens to be my Senator), he is still FOR offshore drilling… “Senator Martinez called for increasing the development of offshore oil and natural gas resources and energy conservation as part of a long term solution to the nation’s energy crisis.” — (june 18th newsletter)
John Ryan: You learned your Obama lessons well. You said I was wrong for statements I did not make.
And of course the Chinese ARE exploring the Gulf. They may have even drilled a few tests here and there. We don’t even know.
The point remains that they most likely WILL be setting up rigs off Key West soon enough while you sit here and play word games.
John Ryan
15 years ago
regardless of who drills it it gets sold to the highest bidder except for the few countries that subsidize their own
John Ryan
15 years ago
Post #25 Mike
John Ryan
15 years ago
Mike I guesss that you coudls also say that we do not even know whether the Chinese are in the process of digging an invasion tunnel from Cuba to Key west. We just don’t know. Mike you have learned your lesson from Bush well always try to leave a lingering fear at the end . We just don’t know.
What a nice little distraction you have going for yourself John Ryan. Rather than deal with the substance of an issue you latch onto some tangential point made by another commenter and try and use it to derail the point of the post.
Well I guess it just proves that you have no rebuttal to the substance of the post.
Yonason: Just copy the embed code from the You Tube page and paste in this window.
With graphics, add the img src=”” with the file URL in between the quotes and enclosed by “<" and closing "/>” tags
yonason
15 years ago
LIKE THIS?
NOPE, GUESS NOT!
[Editor: Like THIS]:
Thanks!
But that’s exactly what I did, yet for some reason it didn’t work. Perhaps the old spam blocker, again? I just tried a jpg image, and it got blocked – check spam filter (it’s funny).
SEE! I add material without doing anything to the embed code, and when I hit “save” somehow it gets erased. It’s got to be a difference between what you are allowed to enter and what I am.
And what is it with the email? When I try to respond to your email I get back “This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. foppingacesblog@yahoo.com“
I couldn’t find any code in the html version of your comment.
yonason
15 years ago
IMAGE TEST…
yonason
15 years ago
Did you copy the embed code and paste it?
Yep
I couldn’t find any code in the html version of your comment.
it gets erased when I hit “send” or on editing when I hit “save.”
I tried before when you told me how, but it didn’t work, so I assumed that as an editor you have privileges that I don’t, however, if you can figure out what I can do to fix that, if it’s possible, that would make for more posting fun for me.
yonason
15 years ago
TESTING, 1, 2, 5, … TESTING
With graphics, add the img src=”” with the file URL in between the quotes and enclosed by “” tags
yonason
15 years ago
TESTING, 1, 2, 5, … TESTING – 2
With graphics, add the img src=”” with the file URL in between the quotes and enclosed by “” tags
I get those often as well. I’ve gotten to the point that I do a “Ctrl A – Ctrl C” to copy my post before hitting send as a just in case. When I get that error, I hit the “back” button, do a paste, hit send again and it works.
I notice that if I take a long time when typing (as I am often multitasking work inbetween postings), it’s almost a guarantee to happen.
Try the back up I do by putting your post in your clipboard as a back up. In the meantime, I forwarded your post here directly to Curt, along with my own comments. We’ll see if the FA guru has any ideas what’s going on. For me it started happening in the last week or so.
yonason
15 years ago
MataHarley
Oh, I remember. Didn’t we have this conversation a couple of months ago? Yeah, I always (usually) back my stuff up. But I prefer Mozilla to I.E. because it has spell check, which for someone as spelling challenged as I am, it’s essential.
o.k., I’m now on I.E., so let’s see if that little dance will work for me…
yonason
15 years ago
HUH!
It worked the first time?! Well, I’ll be…
Oh, and I also just remembered that when it doesn’t work, going back and pasting the post back in (sometimes it’s actually still there, though usually not) I get the “you already said that” error msg and the only way to proceed is to modify something, and usually that doesn’t work, which is why I’m astounded at this success.
It should read “$8 a gallon”
I think that even if the moratorium was lifted and we could drill offshore, the situation will turn to the noted above: lawsuits from environmental groups blocking all action. This time around, it’ll even break the 1.180 average noted between the years of 2001-2007. Money-hungry lawyers coupled up with environmental agencies too stubborn to listen to facts makes lawsuits like flies to a carcass.
Makes me glad I decided not to go into environmental law.
Cheap gas and failure to innovate are what the higher gas prices would be a remedy for? And what welcome change, exactly? The change of the amount of cash we hold in our wallets?
Thanks Bronze. Unlike the libs, I’d rather be optimistic that the price can go down. Though I doubt it will hit $8 a barrel.
It is said that by 2025 that some small percentage of our economy will function on alternative energies. I have heard it said there is no longer any one around who knows how to build nuclear plants it’s been so long since we built one. Not that the Dems would allow the building of one.
Lets look at what the Dems have done in the last 2 years. Our deficit has grown by leaps and bounds. The auto industry, air industry, trucking industry have been run into deficits and their people have swelled the ranks of the unemployed. Everything that is transported costs much more, so not only are we dealing with higher gas prices but food prices as well. Roads that were scheduled to be paved are being put off because oil is involved and is too expensive. Wait until the cold weather sets in on the East coast the winning will be unbearable. You can not take the one commodity off the market that runs America and expect that there is enough money collected in taxes to keep people afloat. Algore says we will all feel some pain in this transition…….not the millionaires! I’m wondering what planet these smart people live on.
And just how much of a coincidence is it that the 3rd IPCC report that put the confidence level of AGW at between 66 and 90 percent just happened to be issued in 2001… right about the time those lawsuits sky rocketed?
Stop the lawsuits. Make the person filing the suit and the lawyer pay through the nose everytime they lose (total cost to company including lost sales and legal expensives, with punative damages 5 times the award) and they lose enough to break most of them from sucking eggs. A little undercover work by the public on all lawyers involved would break up a lot of families but they deserve it. 99% of lawyers are involved in something illegal (hookers, drugs, lovers) , just look around and out them. Most of their employee’s are paying for gas, on a small salary, from a crooked rich lawyer so they will help you. Independant lawyers and large firms can go down the tube with one small discovery. Discover it and reveal it.
It’s not that easy, Scrapiron. It’s not always a guarantee that those who bring the lawsuits (in this case, the environazis) would lose. Most cases don’t even go to court – they force a settlement. Even if it does go to court, you never know what kind of a judge may be assigned to overlook the case. Even though they learn in law school to be objective and to not base a decision on personal views or emotions, some judges violate what they’ve been taught.
True, there are lawyers as dirty as politicians, but not 99% of them. Their employers (for those who work in firms) usually offer to pay for transportation, such as a bus, but I haven’t heard of any that pay its employees for gas (though that might be my own lack of knowledge on that).
The only solution is to keep these lawsuits out of court. Even if those bringing lawsuits agreed to a settlement, that would only benefit them financially. What’s needed is a strong tort reform to keep such cases out of court. These environmental agencies, as I’d imagine, would use every single dirty trick in the book to bring forth a lawsuit that sticks, just so that they could win. Bringing down the attorneys and their firms is not the solution.
Call me simple. Call me naive. But how can congress prevent drilling for oil in international waters? Even though drilling is proposed offshore, we’re talking about 50 miles out. Way beyond our shores. Does the fist of congress extend all that distance? If so, why are they allowing China to drill off our shores between Key West and Cuba? I’ll tell you why. They can’t stop them. They can only stop US companies and I would like to know why. The enviromentalist say drillling would spoil the beauty of the beaches but what good is the beauty of the beaches if no one can afford to drive there to see them. And China is not going to be to careful or environmentally concious.
All this is just a way to control us and I resent it bitterly. Who are these people to tell us how to live our lives.? Most of them are crooks and have been indicted for one thing or another. A good many of them are involved in sexual schemes and bribery. These people go to congress without much and come out millionaires. The only answer to that is chicanery.
The dems are obviously being bribed. By the environmentalists? By the Saudis? Or by the whole of OPEC. Or by all of them. This is the only explanation except one other. They want to control us. Oil runs the economy and when they have control of oil (which at present they sort of do) they can tax us and put restictions on our lives. We are, to them, the little people. They forget who puts them in power and if the people of this country had any balls they would toss these guys out on their ears. It is too bad the run of the mill democrats can’t see what is happening. They actually believe these guys and follow them like sheep without a thought or a care.
I do hope these prices wake some people up to the problem. I, myself, do not have much of a problem with gas. I am retired and only fill up my Hundai Accent once a month or once every six weeks but I feel for the people who have to travel 1/2 hour or an hour to work every day. This must be killing them. The most important reason for lower gas prices is getting to work. And there is no public transportation for those distances. That would be from one city to another. What are they supposed to do? Quit their jobs and try to get one locally. If that were possible they would have gotten one locally before the rise in gas prices. Like all the dems schemes the end results are disastrious. They cannot think ahead. That is the big problem with their feel good schemes.
Maybe these prices will cause changes to be made in congress. Surely even the dem public is angry at their representtives’ actions.
We do need tort reform. It would put some of these law firms out of business and stop the environmentalists from racking up big settlements to fuel their ongoing war with the rest of the country. The Endangered Species Act was an egregious legislative act. It sounded so innocuous in the beginning that Nixon didn’t see the danger involved. We should all take a lesson from that. Never take anything the dems propose at face value. There is always a hidden agenda. And that hidden agenda usually involves taking more of our liberties away from us. The dems are slowly eroding our freedom and brainwashing our children leading us to socialsm. The dems declaring that the Patriot Act is taking alway our liberties is laughable. The dem congress is working away like little beavers to take more and more away from us. And they do it with straight faces too.
If oil prices keep rising the #1 endangered species this winter will be the Human Beings who can’t afford to heat their homes, can’t afford gas for their SUVs to plough through the snow to get out of their front gates and off to work and obvioulsy if a person can’t get to work there will be less money for food, the cost of which is rising out of control because of high oil prices and Ethanol production.
The Democrats have a term for the above “Unforseen Circumstances”….taint unforseen by Mr. & Mrs average American…. but what would we know ?…Drill here drill now seems logical to this SUV driving, Redneck, Pennsylvanian.
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I expect when the price of gas goes to $6 or $7gal you’ll see a lot more people trying things like this homemade hydrogen generator to run your car on instead of straight gasoline.
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. – Abraham Lincoln”
Speaking of dirty little secrets.
Back in the ’60’s I saw a Lefty cartoon with in iterresting punchline, one the Dems have mastered but no one else seems to be aware of, and that is “… you don’t HAVE to fool all the people all the time.”
I was so startled to realize the significance that I never forgot it, but it wasn’t until relatively recently that I began to see how they put it into practice. All you have to do is fool just enough of them to tip the scales in your favor. If you have the right marketers/propagandists to get a few of them to believe your lies, …and then if you can manage to get the dead (etc.,) vote, …and failing that, if you are close enough for a recount to obliterate an opponent’s narrow lead by man-handling his chads but not your own, …then you are in office and the rubes can’t do a thing about it.
If it weren’t for their dirty little tricks, the Demonrat party would be an historical artifact.
Scott: I kept waiting for that little hydrogen thingee to explode! Was that manufactured by the Hindenburg automobile company?
Yonason: Right you are. All the Dems have to do is fool enough people to sway an election. Not all that difficult considering that their base is so willfully ignorant to begin with.
Every time one of the Dem leaders is on TV, they argue that whatever it is that the Pres and the Repubs are proposing 1/ won t deliver any oil for ten years, 2/will only produce 1 million or so bbls of oil per day, a drop in the bucket, and therefore we should invest in windpower, solar power, corn power, thatch grass power etc.
They should immediately be challenged to tell us when windpower, solar etc will reach 1 million bbls per day equivalent and at what cost, and at what damage to the environment e g, the wind cuisinarts in Southern California kill hundreds of golden eagles and other protected speies each year.If these windsources,( Schumer comes to mind) are challenged consistently , it could change the publics love for pie in the sky
@Mike’s America
“I kept waiting for that little hydrogen thingee to explode!”
LOL! I did, too! What a disappointment.
(it looks like whatever that contraption is doing, it’s running off the car, and if it is generating H2 while the car is running, and if there’s a leak, it’s just a matter of time before . . . BOOM! for real.)
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@John e morrissey
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5108666.stm
>>There is always a hidden agenda. And that hidden agenda usually involves taking more of our liberties away from us.>>
Agreed. And the hidden agenda here is that if it gets bad enough, there will be a tremendous outcry from the population. Then under great stress, the Dems – if they have the politicial power – will reluctantly take over the oil companies in order to help the “little” people. Causing anarchy is likely to result in the demand for a strong governmental reaction, which will result in the Statist Government they want. That’s their goal….the State as the sole arbiter of right and wrong, who gets how much of what (and you can bet that they’ll get the bestest!) and in control of everything and everyone.
It’s scarey…way scarey.
Do you perhaps have your tinfoil hat screwed down too tightly, suek?
Is this what you’re thinking of, Suek? I guess that tinfoil hat was handed to you, courtesy of Maxine herself.
DEMOCRATS AND TIN-FOIL HATS
OK, same story, different link. Note that Waters let herself slip, and said it’s all about “…socializing, uh, uh,…” We know what they want. WHY DON’T THE IDIOTS WHO VOTE FOR THEM?! (or maybe they do, and that’s what THEY want?)
CAT NOW OUT OF BAG
DEMOCRAT = SOCIALIST
(Yeah, I know MataHarley just said it, but it’s just so astounding that you can show them the truth and have it not register. Repeating it is somehow a response to that, but apparently not an effective enough one.)
The ban on offshore drilling was signed by a Republican president. ALL 26 deep water oil rigs are currently on long term lease, the next new one is due for completion in 3 years it is going to Brazil. They cost over a billion dollars and are not an off the shelf item Exactly how would you like to go about START DRILLING NOW with a Dewalt or with a Black and Decker. As far as land based oil rigs are concerned we have never had as high a percentage of drills working right now as we do now. OK Barbara you are simple. Barbara in general the USA claims waters out to 200 miles as being in there economic control this includes fishing and mining/oil drilling. But of course other countries do also so often the boundary is the midpoint as in the case with Cuba As far as the Chinese drilling off Key west please post a link. Here is a rebuttal http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/12/mel-martinez-v-cheney/
Oh and the person doing the rebuttal is the Mel Martinez Senator R Fla former Chairman of the republican National Committee So sorry no Chinese drilling there
Pretty much all of the homemade or magic machines that are supgpposed to give your car better mpg do not work. They have negible effect on mpgs. They tried many of them on Myth Busters and none of them worked.
Many of the oil reserves already have wells on them also, and it would take only a few years for them to get online. So the myth of not having an affect on oil prices til 2030 or whatever the new date the Dems put out there is total BS. And if they start drilling now, gas prices will go down now, because the future trading price will drop, because there will be more supply in the future.
Someone has to think ahead past the next election. It seems that it is just not possible for Democrats.
I am getting the impression that at $150 per barrel, all kinds of new energy sources become economic, this easily includes drilling new wells in the US and many other potential alternative energy sources. I say try em all, make sure they are not blocked by the environmentalists and get out of the way.
Democrats want only their politically correct solutions. We can sit in the dark and freeze until they get their way.
“Someone has to think ahead past the next election. It seems that it is just not possible for Democrats.” — Rob
While the Dems are far worse, the Reps aren’t such geniuses either. Of course, it doesn’t help that we are all kept in the dark by the MSM which is too busy chasing each others tails to bother reporting any actual news. If you want news, you’ll have to supplement your American sources with foreign, constantly checking reliability by comparing what they are all saying and never letting go of a vigilant skepticism.
John Ryan asserts that the Chinese are not doing any drilling off of Cuba. Let’s check that…
Stories from 2 years ago about China exploring for oil off Cuba
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2006/07/29/stories/2006072908761400.htm
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/08/Worldandnation/Cuba_seeks_oil_near_K.shtml
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/05/thanks-to-democratic-no-zones-us-is-in.html
They seem to have been active then. What about now?
Looking for info on current status…
…the difficulty of finding anything other than a few stories that all sound the same (meaning they are probably from the same source) suggests that John Ryan may actually be (are you sitting down?) correct this once! Well, accidents do happen.
Now my appetite is whetted, I wonder what else is out there on this…
…still, not much, so I guess the Chinese really aren’t drilling off our shores, ….YET.
However, though the Chinese aren’t drilling, others ARE.
“Sherritt International Corp., the company producing oil and gas off Cuba’s coast, said fourth quarter profit increased 6.2 percent as oil prices rose. “
http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/cuban-oil-drilling-company-sherritt-increases-fourth-quarter-profits/
Nevertheless, and this is why the MSM is utterly useless, there is a lot of activity in the Gulf of Mexico.
Here’s some more info you won’t see in any of the news outlets I’m aware of…
http://www.chinamining.org/News/2008-05-27/1211874463d14174.html
Where do the Chinese come in, if at all?
“Reuters — Chinese oil drilling equipment has begun arriving in Cuba as state-run Cubapetroleo (Cupet) and its foreign partners prepare to significantly increase drilling along the northwest coast, industry sources said this week“
http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/cuba_oil_production_to_increase_with_more_chinese_equipment_arriving/
“China also has an exploration agreement with Cuba, and Chinese oil giant Sinopec has been leasing rigs to Sherritt and others.”
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/03/19/8402339/index.htm
So, there is a connection. But, even though the Chinese are NOT yet drilling there, DRILLING IS BEING DONE, AND CHINA IS FACILITATING IT BY SUPPLYING THE EQUIPMENT.
Finally, in and interresting twist, it seems that American oil cos., are exploring for oil near China! In fact, the Chinese aren’t any to happy about it, either…
http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxnews&articleid=6814746&subject=general&action=article
I remember when stufll like that might actually get reported on the evening news, but that was a long long time ago.
” Chinese are NOT yet drilling there”
emphasis on yet.
I wonder how our envirozealot friends feel about having Chinese drilling, or even Cubans drilling with Chinese equipement and presumably methods?
The Chinese have a terrible record on environmental protection and something tells me they aren’t going to go to the Florida Keys and clean up the mess should one of their drilling rigs have a spill.
It’s also possible that the Chinese/Cubans/whoever could do slant drilling that would sap oil deposits under U.S. controlled waters.
Far better for the environment and the American consumer if American companies, adhering to U.S. environmental regulations would extract that oil.
“Far better for the environment and the American consumer if American companies, adhering to U.S. environmental regulations would extract that oil.” — Mike’s America
Indeed!
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SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
Gold Oil secures operator status in Cuba — June 22, 2007
http://www.smallcapnews.co.uk/article/Gold_Oil_secures_operator_status_in_Cuba/3064.aspx
…BUT THEN…
Gold Oil Announces the Disposal of its Cuban Oil Exploration Interests — November 02, 2007
http://www.oilvoice.com/n/Gold_Oil_Announces_the_Disposal_of_its_Cuban_Oil_Exploration_Interests/40adb20d.aspx
(that was fast!)
Petrobras [Brazil’s state-run oil company], Cupet sign cooperation agreement — 1/16/2008 (“foresees the assessment of offshore blocks in the Cuban sector of the Gulf of Mexico.”)
http://www.energycurrent.com/index.php?id=4&storyid=8189
DEJA VU?
Cupet plans offshore exploration — 6/24/2008
http://www.energycurrent.com/index.php?id=2&storyid=11421
Haven’t they been doing that since at least 2002?
India to sign hydrocarbon pact with Cuba — 1 Jul, 2008
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/India_to_sign_hydrocarbon_pact_with_Cuba/rssarticleshow/3185698.cms
Ok. I don’t have any more time tonight, but it’s obvious that something is going on, and it involves a lot of players who keep coming and going so fast it looks like at a “Chinese fire drill.” It’s got me interested, but I don’t have the tools to dig much deeper (most of the trade journals where all the real info probably resides require fees for articles, or membership dues).
My guess is that it was just too complicated for the journalists who are pushing the “China drilling” story, so they made up some stuff that they thought would sound good based on whatever keywords they picked up on. It’s not like that hasn’t happened before, …like regularly.
Oh, I almost forgot. Although John Ryan is technically correct, that the ChiComs aren’t drilling, it doesn’t mean that no one is, or the Cuba isn’t hustling it’s fascist butt off trying to get someone to do it. So, he is still wrong. (Had me worried there for bit.)
“he [John Ryan] is still wrong”
Was there any doubt?
You might remember this graphic Curt found a while back:
And your catalog of links made me think: I wonder if there are some stats out there showing how drilling is exploding among all these other oil producing nations. I know there are new finds by Mexico, Brazil, Russia, Sweden etc. that are being drilled.
The only link I could find was:
CURIOUSER AND CURIOUSER
(couldn’t sleep, but now I’m done, as you’ll see at the end)
More countries drilling for oil northwest of Cuba in Gulf of Mexico — September 12, 2006
http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/more-countries-drilling-for-oil-northwest-of-cuba-in-gulf-of-mexico/
“Expanding its operations in South America, state-run ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL) has signed production sharing contracts for two offshore oil exploration blocks in the northwest coast of Cuba.”
Caribbean oil producers — (Sept 2007)
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Caribbean/OilProduction.html
Cuban off-shore oil drilling put off until 2009 — Apr 16, 2008
http://www.reuters.com/article/OILINT/idUSN1631398320080416
DEJA VU, again? (see above post #24)
Petrobras negotiating for Cuban exploration — 7/2/2008
http://www.energycurrent.com/index.php?id=2&storyid=11588
h o l d t h e p h o n e !!! an accurate report??? (from July 24, 2006)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jul/24/20060724-122242-7824r/
“Cuba is drilling for oil 60 miles [?] off the coast of Florida with help from China [they supply equipment], Canada [Sherritt International***] and Spain [?(Brazilians speak Spanish)?] even as Congress struggles to end years of deadlock over drilling for what could be a treasure trove of offshore oil and gas.”
WAIT!! From what I found out (see my last 2 posts) these guys got it right (or at least close enough for the proverbial cigar) back in ’06. So why the heck is everyone else getting it wrong in the middle of ’08??!! That’s disgusting!! Does Cheney REALLY get his news from George Will? Could that report possibly be true? I mean, Halliburton HAS to know more than Will about something so close to it’s heart (pocket book). Is our country really being run by a bunch of sock puppets? …mostly malicious ones on the Left, and many well-meaning on the Right, but fools none the less? It CAN’T be THAT bad!
Could it be that the Lefty media report it incorrectly so that when the Right talk about it, and then truth is later “leaked” out, that they are made to look bad and they loose credibility? Could that be part of the Left’s nasty little game? Don’t the Lefties know that those who tell lies for them now can just as easily lie against them later? Stupid Lefty idiots.
(***See my post #22, in which the reference I gave indicates that Sharritt of Canada may actually be the ones doing the drilling, either instead of or in addition to Cuba, that’s not clear to me yet.)
Technically correct ? yeah that is right the Chinese are not drilling there. They sure will try to get in on it along with Norway Spain Brazil Venezula Mexico So I stand by what the Republican Senator from Florida says, The Chinese are NOT drilling there. As far as Chinese equipment being used well of course just as Chinese equipment is being used to unload our containers at US ports or for that matter is being used by me right now typing on this computer. Probably Chinese equipment is also being used in most American kitchens. You know I bet they eat some Chinese food in Cuba also. Most of the new drill ships are being built in China regardless of for what company they are sold to to which ccompany they are then leased to or where they will work. However again at this time there are no Chinese companies drilling in Cuban waters.
So I guess “technically” I was right and you were wrong. Mike I do make mistakes but not often and not on this matter.
John Ryan: I am sorry to point out to you that I never said the Chinese WERE drilling.
Your comment #19 “rebuts” another comment. Not mine.
So…. you were WRONG to say that I was wrong.
I guess you do make mistakes more frequently than you thought.
No surprise there.
Mike my comment was in response to Barbara’s comment that the Chinese were drilling off Cuba. You said that I was wrong I stand by what I said the Chinese are NOT drilling off Cuba.
CHINESE OIL, UH, FIRE DRILL
I’m guessing that the reason for making such a big fuss about the ChiComs is that they are a lot scarier than the Canadians or the Spanish ( or Brazilians, or whomever). But the point(s) is(are) that (a) Cuba is trying to exploit the oil reserves (b) we are not – (c) WE NEED TO.
As I pointed out, the Washington Times GOT THE STORY RIGHT back in 2006. But, since then, somehow the story has gotten distorted in some of the Right and Left-wing press.
And so what if the Chinese aren’t drilling there YET? Does that mean that if they do it tomorrow instead of today we shouldn’t get started now?
Even CNN
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/index.htm
and NYSLimes
tell us the ChiComs and others are probably GOING to be drilling there. So, even if some idiot got the timing wrong, and even if Republicans aren’t terribly bright, the fact is that we need to exploit our resources for our benefit, and we need to start NOW. The argument that we shouldn’t based on a technicality, is just plain dishonest and stupid.
I am really upset with those idiot Republicans who carelessly [I don’t think they are lying] use unreliable information to support such an important agenda. That only gives those like John Ryan an opening to argue that because they are wrong on a technicality they must be wrong about the whole agenda. They sabotage their own efforts, and ultimately the good of the country, not to mention giving the false impression that the Democrats know what they are doing.
As to Mel Martinez (who happens to be my Senator), he is still FOR offshore drilling…
“Senator Martinez called for increasing the development of offshore oil and natural gas resources and energy conservation as part of a long term solution to the nation’s energy crisis.” — (june 18th newsletter)
But he is a “typical” politician, and so he is playing to both sides of his constituents’ fence on this by wanting it to be the decision of the State, not the Feds: which is fine because when Floridians want it, he’ll be on board. He’s not idiotlogically opposed; he is just doing what he thinks his constituents want. I can’t fault him for that.
http://martinez.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=NewsReleases.View&ContentRecord_id=fb035e1e-e6c5-4e5c-bf95-1e8a373ba3b2&CFID=30992996&CFTOKEN=66149868
John Ryan: You learned your Obama lessons well. You said I was wrong for statements I did not make.
And of course the Chinese ARE exploring the Gulf. They may have even drilled a few tests here and there. We don’t even know.
The point remains that they most likely WILL be setting up rigs off Key West soon enough while you sit here and play word games.
regardless of who drills it it gets sold to the highest bidder except for the few countries that subsidize their own
Post #25 Mike
Mike I guesss that you coudls also say that we do not even know whether the Chinese are in the process of digging an invasion tunnel from Cuba to Key west. We just don’t know. Mike you have learned your lesson from Bush well always try to leave a lingering fear at the end . We just don’t know.
What a nice little distraction you have going for yourself John Ryan. Rather than deal with the substance of an issue you latch onto some tangential point made by another commenter and try and use it to derail the point of the post.
Well I guess it just proves that you have no rebuttal to the substance of the post.
Not that there was any doubt about that.
Lightweight!
Increased taxation will not help
http://www.redplanetcartoons.com/index.php/2008/03/31/rocket-scientists-they-are-not/
Suppressing supplies will not help
http://www.redplanetcartoons.com/index.php/2008/05/29/strangling-supply/
“regardless of who drills it it gets sold to the highest bidder except for the few countries that subsidize their own” — John Ryan
The price of gas will still go down due to that pesky old “supply and demand” rule. But don’t worry, the Demokrats have a solution for that, as well.
p.s. – Hey, Mike’s America, how did you say I could format this to embed it for all to appreciate?
Yonason: Just copy the embed code from the You Tube page and paste in this window.
With graphics, add the img src=”” with the file URL in between the quotes and enclosed by “<" and closing "/>” tags
LIKE THIS?
NOPE, GUESS NOT!
[Editor: Like THIS]:
Thanks!
But that’s exactly what I did, yet for some reason it didn’t work. Perhaps the old spam blocker, again? I just tried a jpg image, and it got blocked – check spam filter (it’s funny).
SEE! I add material without doing anything to the embed code, and when I hit “save” somehow it gets erased. It’s got to be a difference between what you are allowed to enter and what I am.
And what is it with the email? When I try to respond to your email I get back “This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. foppingacesblog@yahoo.com“
Did you copy the embed code and paste it?
I couldn’t find any code in the html version of your comment.
IMAGE TEST…
Did you copy the embed code and paste it?
Yep
I couldn’t find any code in the html version of your comment.
it gets erased when I hit “send” or on editing when I hit “save.”
I tried before when you told me how, but it didn’t work, so I assumed that as an editor you have privileges that I don’t, however, if you can figure out what I can do to fix that, if it’s possible, that would make for more posting fun for me.
TESTING, 1, 2, 5, … TESTING
With graphics, add the img src=”” with the file URL in between the quotes and enclosed by “” tags
TESTING, 1, 2, 5, … TESTING – 2
With graphics, add the img src=”” with the file URL in between the quotes and enclosed by “” tags
http://edweb.sdsu.edu/wip/examples/gas2/OilPricesFirstBorn.jpg
While we are on the topic…
Whenever I try to post to F.A., using Microsoft Internet Exploder, I get this error msg., …
I used to occasionally be able to post using it, but not any more, at all, ever.
IMG EMBD TST
failed
Hey Yon
I get those often as well. I’ve gotten to the point that I do a “Ctrl A – Ctrl C” to copy my post before hitting send as a just in case. When I get that error, I hit the “back” button, do a paste, hit send again and it works.
I notice that if I take a long time when typing (as I am often multitasking work inbetween postings), it’s almost a guarantee to happen.
Try the back up I do by putting your post in your clipboard as a back up. In the meantime, I forwarded your post here directly to Curt, along with my own comments. We’ll see if the FA guru has any ideas what’s going on. For me it started happening in the last week or so.
MataHarley
Oh, I remember. Didn’t we have this conversation a couple of months ago? Yeah, I always (usually) back my stuff up. But I prefer Mozilla to I.E. because it has spell check, which for someone as spelling challenged as I am, it’s essential.
o.k., I’m now on I.E., so let’s see if that little dance will work for me…
HUH!
It worked the first time?! Well, I’ll be…
Oh, and I also just remembered that when it doesn’t work, going back and pasting the post back in (sometimes it’s actually still there, though usually not) I get the “you already said that” error msg and the only way to proceed is to modify something, and usually that doesn’t work, which is why I’m astounded at this success.
Thanks, btw