Me thinks the twoofers are going to blow a gasket soon. First there was this excellent History Channels expose on the lunacy inside the twoofer movement and now we have Mark Roberts taking apart some of the twoofers who interviewed and bamboozled a 9/11 firefighter named John Schroeder in this video.
Mark absolutely rips to shreds anything the twoofers thought they accomplished with their lies and misconceptions. A must read. He begins with a open letter to the firefighter:
My name is Mark Roberts. Over the past year and a half I have spent many hours debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories, particularly those spread by Dylan Avery, Luke Rudkowski, and their associates. These men are the most dishonest people I have ever encountered. In their desperation to find something that will fit their claims, they take the accounts of honest people out of context and sell them as mysteries. They have done this dozens and dozens of times. I’m sorry to say that you are the latest victim of their dishonesty. Rather than choosing to help you understand what you experienced on 9/11, they have chosen to use you and to add to your confusion in order to further their dishonorable cause.
Much of my debunking effort has gone into putting the accounts of 9/11 first responders in context, to undo the damage done by the conspiracists, and to help first responders like you see through the "fog of war" that you experienced on 9/11.
He then goes into detail about those who interviewed John, namely Dylan Avery, Alex Jones, Jason Bermas, Korey Rowe, Luke Rudkowski, and Manny Badillo. Here he is on Dylan:
To my knowledge, Avery has never gotten a significant claim about 9/11 right. He refuses to acknowledge corrections. He lies constantly. I do mean "lies," not "makes mistakes." He has a very serious problem with the truth.
Avery says the U.S. government and military committed the 9/11 attacks. He says Islamic terrorists weren’t involved.
Avery says American flight 11 and United flight 175 did not hit the Twin Towers. He doesn’t know what happened to those planes, although the remains of numerous victims from both planes were collected at the WTC and positively identified.
Avery says American flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. He doesn’t know what happened to that plane, although the remains of every victim but one were collected there and positively identified, along with the plane’s flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder.
And here is the outline of what he covers, in depth, in his response:
Regarding your experience on 9/11, these are the main points I will cover in this letter:
1) The people who you saw with burns inside and outside of the north tower were burned by jet fuel that cascaded down the elevator shafts and ignited in fireballs. Overpressure from those fireballs, and falling elevators, is what caused the lobby damage you saw when you arrived. The fires on multiple floors upstairs were also caused by these elevator shaft fireballs. I will provide you with numerous witness accounts that confirm this happening in both towers.
2) As you were about to head upstairs from the north tower lobby, you did hear an elevator falling, and you did hear and see and exploding fireball, but those two events were likely not connected. The explosion and fireball happened outside, and were caused by the impact of United flight 175 on the south tower. This is confirmed by people who were with you.
3) When you were on the 23rd floor, the event that rocked the north tower was not flight 175 hitting the south tower at 9:03 a.m. It was the collapse of the south tower at 9:59 a.m. This is confirmed by people who were with you (and can be confirmed independently of witness accounts, by piecing together the timeline of events). Your interviewers failed to correct you about this important point.
4) There were warnings about a possible incoming plane when you were upstairs. In fact there were several false alarm warnings about planes from different sources that morning.
5) When you had descended to the lower floors, the stairwell was in such bad shape because it had been damaged by the collapse of the south tower. The core of the building below the sixth floor was in an exposed atrium. When you made it to the lobby, it looked like "everything was blown up, exploded" because south tower debris had torn through it. You believed the FDNY command post had been moved to WTC 2, when it in fact had been moved across West Street. Your interviewers failed to clarify these important points for you.
6) You said that when you were outside, first the north tower collapsed, and then, as you were heading up North End Avenue, the south tower collapsed. As I mentioned above, the south tower collapsed while you were on the 23rd floor of the north. Your interviewers twice failed to correct you about this important point.
7) In your video interview, you and your interviewers raise several other questions which I will answer since your interviewers cannot or will not do so. In answering those questions I will point out more dishonesty by your interviewers.
8) The confusion you experienced in the midst of that battle, and your difficulty in piecing together the events, is common to 9/11 first responders. I will provide you many examples of people who had similar trouble making sense of their 9/11 experiences. When put in context, your account exactly confirms the "official story" of the attacks and collapses.
And he backs all that up with some awesome research, links, pictures, and facts. This is one guy you don’t want to spin a 9/11 conspiracy story to.
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