29 May

Long Live The Pig! [Reader Post]

                                       

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Domesticated swine and Western Civilization go back a long way together. The domestic pig was being raised in Europe by about 1500 BC. Rome improved pig breeding and spread them throughout their empire. The early Christians increasingly abandoned the Jewish ban on the eating of pork by about 50 AD and it’s been the celebrated ‘other white meat’ ever since.

Pigs and the discovery of the New World went hand in hand. Christopher Columbus took eight pigs on his voyage to Cuba in 1493 at Queen Isabella’s insistence. Hernando de Soto brought America’s first thirteen pigs to Tampa Bay, Fla., in 1539. Cortés introduced hogs to New Mexico in 1600 while Sir Walter Raleigh brought sows to the Jamestown colony in 1607.

Frankly, the West and pigs go together like, well, bacon and eggs. Who hasn’t enjoyed the cultural icons that are the ‘three little pigs,’ delighted in playing “this little piggie went to market” with a toes of a small child, or stashed a few dollars away in their piggie bank? And who can forget such beloved childhood characters as Wilbur from Charlotte’s Web, Babe the movie star (that’ll do pig), Miss Piggy, or Piglet from Winnie the Pooh?

Let’s be honest, even the most finicky among us has to admit that a side order of bacon at IHOP isn’t such a bad idea either.

But, alas, not all share our love for all things pork, bacon, and pig-related.

Piglets removed from agricultural exhibit because Muslim kids were stoning them to death

“Some children are sad that the funny pigs have been removed from an agricultural museum near Gellerupparken in Aarhus Municipality.

The explanation so far has been that the pigs were removed because of environmental and animal welfare.

But the actual reason is brutal mistreatment of the pigs – typically stoning.

In one case a piglet was killed after children of a different ethnic background than Danish had stuck a stick into it. …

‘- We protected the pigs’ hut with a fence so they could be left in peace from stones and other objects.’

But the attacks continued, and the pigs have now been removed.

‘- They were our most popular animals for most visitors. And we were excited to show how the pigs could live a natural life,’ he says and adds that also rabbits, chickens, lambs and sheep have been hurt.”

C’mon now, who could kill such cute little pigs? Our Jewish friends aren’t overly fond of our squealing little pink companions either, but you don’t hear about them attacking innocent swine belonging to others.

Now it may seem like a big leap to jump from stoning little piglets as children to slitting the throats of dirty Kafirs later in life, but to some there may appear to be a disturbing pattern of violence in Islam towards all that it deems “offensive” to it. Now I don’t have a problem with someone not eating certain things due to religious or any other prohibitions, but don’t come to the countries of the West and expect us to kowtow to your every complaint concerning your discomfort about the keeping, eating, or representation of a pig. Here in the West we have a little saying that starts with “When in Rome….”. What we don’t have is one that starts with “We should all be like Mecca…”

We should not put up with it here no matter what. Maybe the answer is to not let so many in, not by the hair of my chinny chin chin.

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Crossposted from The Constitution Club

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49 Responses to Long Live The Pig! [Reader Post]

  1. Wordsmith says: 1

    Now it may seem like a big leap to jump from stoning little piglets as children to slitting the throats of dirty Kafirs later in life, but to some there may appear to be a disturbing pattern of violence in Islam towards all that it deems “offensive” to it.

    By that logic, little children who see fit to eat ham and bacon and yummy pork might grow up to cannibalize on Muslims.

    The Islamic belief that pigs are unclean to touch and eat is not that big of a deal. Big whoop. RIP for those sweet little piggies who were alleged to have been stoned/killed by Muslim/foreign children, even as you gorge on your ham and bacon.

    And as you’re well aware, aside from the segment of our population that think of pigs as cute, another segment embraces the negative connotations and wordplay insults of calling people “swine”, “capitalist pig”, cops referred to as “pigs”, fat people who gorge on anything and everything as “pigging out”, male chauvinists are “pigs”, etc.

    I do agree with your point about “When in Rome…”, insofar as anyone is pushing to change the cultural beliefs and system of their adoptive country. But then….what immigrant group hasn’t exercised some aspect of its cultural beliefs and cultural influence to be adopted or perpetuated or retained in their new community, in their new homeland?

    I absolutely am a proponent for assimilation. But I think a post like this only reveals a backlash of intolerance for all things Islamic, even if there’s not much to actually be offended and outraged by. It’s fabricated outrage from those in “perpetual outrage” over all things with the Islamic namebrand attached to it.

    Traditional Islamic attitudes toward pigs, like that of Jews, is the least of my concerns when it comes to Islamic terrorism and other cultural practices that I agree, we shouldn’t tolerate in the West.

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  2. © Sponge says: 2

    In Islam, Jew = Pig, so…….

    When children are taught to stone, kill or destroy things they’re supposed to hate, what do you think the next logical step is?

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  3. Wordsmith says: 3

    Good point.

    But does the whole of Islam breed that hateful propagandistic belief?

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  4. Nan G says: 4

    If you read the Islamic books: Koran, Hadith, Sura; you find that the admonition against eating pig is as reasonable as the one against having black dogs and non-working dogs.
    (YES, dogs are OK in Islam! IF they work!)

    BUT when a few Muslims “go beyond what is written,” (1 Corinthians 4:6 of a book Muslims tell us they respect) and refuse to even drag your bacon over the scanner so you can pay for it, they give Islam a bad rep.
    And when a few Muslim taxi drivers refuse to allow other people’s pet dogs, or even other people’s seeing eye dogs into their cabs; they, too, give Islam a bad name.

    When a Jew works at a supermarket, you do not see him refuse to scan ham or pork, lobster or crab.
    When an LDS works at a store, you do not see him/her refuse to scan liquor or coffee or tea or tobacco.
    And, if an individual Muslim feels this way, perhaps, like very religious Jews and LDS’ they might consider some other form of employment which doesn’t make them feel dirty.
    Just a thought.

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  5. Wordsmith says: 5

    @Nan G: Agreed, Nan.

    BUT when a few Muslims “go beyond what is written,” (1 Corinthians 4:6 of a book Muslims tell us they respect) and refuse to even drag your bacon over the scanner so you can pay for it, they give Islam a bad rep.
    And when a few Muslim taxi drivers refuse to allow other people’s pet dogs, or even other people’s seeing eye dogs into their cabs; they, too, give Islam a bad name.

    This dude seems to have a balanced response of mutual respect for discrepant beliefs:

    we muslims dont have any problem with dogs as long as they are kept outside the house for guard or hunting or used as an eye dog. now the problem is that eye dog owners abused their rights to enter into stores, . when you have a right then it is wrong to prevent the rights of others (muslims ) from practicing their belief they should have mutual respect for the belief of muslims, they could have instead of entering the shops they could stand outside and i am sure that the muslim clerks or owners would be happy to serve them or keep their dog outside and can be led by the shop keeper. but for a dog owner to be rudely fighting with the muslim and telling the muslims that he has rights to put the dog in the shop it is wrong.

    islam encourages all muslims to help people either muslims or non muslims if they are blind or handicapped, and it is a good deed to do that but to bring the dog in it is wrong and against the belief of muslims and all people have to respect other religions.if you go to these shop keepers and ask them if they would be happy to surve the blind man without the dog , they will all agree but keep the dog out.

    also for the man that is saying that we are having ridiculous thinking because we dont like pigs, it is not that we dont like pigs it is that we muslims are asked by Allh not to touch or use any piece of the pig so all people have to respect us as we respect all nations and religions.

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  6. Phil-351 says: 6

    Wordsmith,

    I think you’r missing the point. At this point in time, it is not the ‘whole of Islam’, but this Islamic training of intolerance is spreading like a cancer throughout the Western world. And the policies of PC are not just preventing the spread, but encouraging the spread. I remember a time that a kid, any kid from any background, irregardless of skin color or religion, would have been held accountable for such destruction of property, especially at a public venue like a zoo or exhibit. The child would be chastised, even arrested, and the parents held finacially responsible.

    Reading this article, I get no sense any such accountability is being held. And that the killings have continued to the point that the venue is simply not willing to feed the frenzy. In classic PC style, the article simply mentions ‘children of a different ethnic background than Danish’ in a classic attempt not to OFFEND.

    This is a perfect example of ‘creeping Sharia’. By envoking the term ‘whole of Islam’, you sound as though you’re making excuses for the intolerant among them and us that are trying to establish Sharia law within the West, a system of laws that is very counter to our laws and culture. At some point we must make a stand, and the further it goes, the bloodier that stand will become.

    Creeping Sharia has become more prevalent. Honor killings are on the rise. We must take a stand. Islamic bullying is on the rise. We must take a stand. I’m as tolerant as most people, but we must stand up to the intolerant before we have to really fight back against it. This PC-style appeasement is only making things worse.

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  7. Nan G says: 7

    @Wordsmith: now the problem is that eye dog owners abused their rights to enter into stores, . when you have a right then it is wrong to prevent the rights of others (muslims ) from practicing their belief they should have mutual respect for the belief of muslims, they could have instead of entering the shops they could stand outside and i am sure that the muslim clerks or owners would be happy to serve them or keep their dog outside and can be led by the shop keeper. but for a dog owner to be rudely fighting with the muslim and telling the muslims that he has rights to put the dog in the shop it is wrong.

    This “dude” (as you call him) seems to be from an Islamic country.
    But he was commenting on a collection of news reports about mistreatment of dogs and dog owners found here in the WEST!
    See it here:
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/11/muslim-taxi-drivers-vs-seeing-eye-dogs

    I was referring to how Muslims in OUR country, in the UK, in Canada and Western Europe treat people who have dogs or people who wish to buy pork products.
    We cannot have two sets of rules of conduct which make the blind into 2nd class citizens even if that’s what they do in this dude’s homeland.

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  8. Wordsmith says: 8

    @Phil-351:

    Reading this article, I get no sense any such accountability is being held. And that the killings have continued to the point that the venue is simply not willing to feed the frenzy. In classic PC style, the article simply mentions ‘children of a different ethnic background than Danish’ in a classic attempt not to OFFEND.

    Following the link trail leads me to the Danish source material; but there’s not much to elaborate upon. The article is rather vague on a number of details; but it’s certainly a story picked up by anti-Islam blogs and sites like Stormfront.

    This is a perfect example of ‘creeping Sharia’. By envoking the term ‘whole of Islam’, you sound as though you’re making excuses for the intolerant among them and us that are trying to establish Sharia law within the West, a system of laws that is very counter to our laws and culture. At some point we must make a stand, and the further it goes, the bloodier that stand will become.

    I think there needs to be a middle road of rational discussion and debate.

    There are, in some sense, two wars going on: One is with the global jihad movement. The other is a culture war/war of ideas.

    I think in regards to “creeping Sharia”, I think there is a deal of irrational scaremongering and conspiratorial fear bordering on hysteria among some folks that lead down the path of bigotry and religious hatred not much different than the one expressed by Islamists and jihadis; and I also see valid cause for concern and a call for vigilance.

    But when the conservative right talk about Sharia, its significance and practice isn’t all the same to all Muslims.

    Creeping Sharia has become more prevalent. Honor killings are on the rise. We must take a stand. Islamic bullying is on the rise. We must take a stand. I’m as tolerant as most people, but we must stand up to the intolerant before we have to really fight back against it. This PC-style appeasement is only making things worse.

    Agreed.

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  9. Wordsmith says: 9

    @Nan G:

    I was referring to how Muslims in OUR country, in the UK, in Canada and Western Europe treat people who have dogs or people who wish to buy pork products.

    And I agreed with that point, Nan. And your last regarding “work somewhere else” if the business practice doesn’t accommodate your personal beliefs. They have that freedom here.

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  10. Nan G says: 10

    @Wordsmith: But when the conservative right talk about Sharia, its significance and practice isn’t all the same to all Muslims.

    Truer words were never spoken, Wordsmith.
    My old Arabic professor likened the differences between Sharia ”back home” that was so oppressive as to force you to uproot and leave VS Sharia HERE as the difference in view of being the Lead Dog VS one of the other dogs pulling the sled.
    The view never changes UNLESS you are the Lead Dog.
    And in the immigrant’s mind the new Sharia might be more HIS version rather than the version of some rich, powerful men back home.
    There is plenty to pick and choose between when it comes to how Sharia might be implemented by different men.
    Sad, when you think about it; a 1979 ”research” paper from Iran (lost, of course) formed the foundation for the worst, most oppressive dress styles for Muslim females.
    It supposedly ”proved” that all women’s hair emits ”powerful rays” that force men to act in sexually irresponsible ways. EVERY strand of hair must be covered according to the Iranian ruling after that ”paper” was published.
    And how many other (non-Iranian) Muslims have bought into/been forced into this myth?
    We know Muslim women used to merely dress modestly, sometimes not covering their hair at all!
    Compare women in Egypt:
    1959,
    1978,
    1995,
    2004.

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  11. Scott in Oklahoma says: 11

    In our part of the world, pigs are a lot more welcome than most muslims, except maybe wild pigs which tear up the land. Another good thing about pig, we can eat every bit of it but the squeal, and do :-)

    We don’t really feel much need to be politically correct out here either.

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  12. Brother Bob says: 12

    If any of you haven’t check the embedded link Dave the Sage included to the original story. There’s an… amusing animated gif at the end of the article =8^)

    On a serious note, where are the nimrods at PETA over this?

    On a more serious note, we hear child psychologists say that abusing animals leads to violent behavior as adults. This isn’t just one messed up kid – is this a whole “community” of “youths”? Pigs today, cars across Copenhagen in a few years, and a few years after that…?

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  13. Nan G says: 13

    @Brother Bob: On a more serious note, we hear child psychologists say that abusing animals leads to violent behavior as adults. This isn’t just one messed up kid – is this a whole “community” of “youths”? Pigs today, cars across Copenhagen in a few years, and a few years after that…?

    Bro Bob,
    You brought to mind an interview a few years back with a psychiatrist from Syria, Wafa Sultan.
    This brave woman took on Ibrahim Al-Khouli, a professor at Al-Azhar University in Cairo live on Al Jazeera TV.
    But more to the point at hand, she was interviewed about the place of women and child-rearing under Islamic families.
    Her studies of many messed up youths led her to conclude that there was something distinctly disfunctional about child-rearing, especially of sons.
    How often do we hear, after the murderous act, that this young man had an emotional disorder?
    Too often his emotional defect is then the defense of the Islamic terrorist who survives his jihad.
    Wish I could find what I heard on the radio on line, but so far, no luck.
    When I was in So Cal she was on radio there fairly regularly for a while.
    Of course many men come through awful childhoods and live quietly and peacefully.
    And she acknowledged that applies in Islam, too.

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  14. Skookum says: 14

    Killing is not easy to quantify. We are repulsed by the wanton mutilation or killing of innocent animals, whose rightful place on earth is to be raised to 100 kilos and slaughtered to be eaten.

    Some vegetarians argue, we should all stop eating meat to prevent cruelty, but if we stopped eating meat, all domesticated farm animals would be killed, since it is expensive to feed them. Many others want the conditions for animals to be as pleasant as possible, nut confinement pigs like their prison life about as much as horses like the idea of stalls. Most meat eaters would become vegetarians if they had to kill and process their pigs, lambs, beef, and chickens.

    Torturing animals and wanton killing by children are the products of a diseased mind, no matte what culture or religion the child is from, of that we can be sure, but there are many ambiguities that can be discussed among those of us who have killed as a business or for sport. The closer we come to realizing our own mortality, the more difficult it is to justify killing.

    We kill our enemies who wish to kill us and we kill meat bearing animals for protein, but who has the ability to end the life and process the animal. It is much easier to buy the meat wrapped in cellophane, but the man who slaughters the animal has a more realistic view of what it takes to sustain life on a primordial level.

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  15. Aqua says: 15

    @Wordsmith:

    I think there needs to be a middle road of rational discussion and debate.

    There are, in some sense, two wars going on: One is with the global jihad movement. The other is a culture war/war of ideas.

    I’m not following you on this Word. I agree with you post on the muslim clerk. If you have a seeing eye dog and the store owner doesn’t allow dogs of any type, that should be respected. Of course the Americans with Disabilities folks will drag you to court. Personally, I would shop elsewhere; and that’s the way it should be.
    Likewise, if you’re a muslim and don’t like pigs, don’t go to a museum that has pigs. Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but it seems you think it’s ok that they stone the pigs and not be held accountable.
    For personal reasons, I don’t eat meat on Ash Wednesday or any Friday during Lent. But I don’t go into McDonalds and demand they stop selling Big Macs on those days.

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  16. Wordsmith says: 16

    Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but it seems you think it’s ok that they stone the pigs and not be held accountable.

    Sorry for the lack of clarity. I actually thought I did mention somewhere that they should be held to account and that I detest cruelty to animals; but that must have gotten lost in the process of editing a response.

    I agree with your points, aqua.

    Good comment as well, Skookum.

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  17. Skookum says: 17

    It is hard to watch the blood or life force flow from an animal in the last few seconds of life as they struggle to take their last breaths. What do they think or see. Do they remember happier times when they were youg beside their mothers or with similar young critters. Do they remember the blue skies, the tasty green grass of spring, the refreshing and life giving taste of cold water. The security and warmth they once had sleeping next to their mother.

    Animals think in terms of mental images or pictures, domestic animals have vocabularies but they are limited to their names and a few other words they learn to please humans. Do we as humans not have the same images in those fleeting seconds before death overwhelms us.

    In the seconds before death, we probably don’t worry over how we might have done things differently at the office or the farm; the images of security and of life giving elements so essential to maintaining life is more likely.

    Before we were so confident of survival, the death of an animal or another human was not a reason for concern or contemplation. Death meant life; a trade of life for life was negotiated and everyone understood the board of trade.

    Things are different now, hearing the calves bawl for their mothers wears on the open heart, Hearing the pigs squeal when led into the abattoir is a heart breaker. They are smart enough to smell the scent of death from a mile away. They know their final day is upon them. The nice farmer, who was so kind to them, has betrayed them and now they must die.

    Yes, life is cruel, either plants or animals must die to sustain your life. In a greater sense, we ask them to sacrifice their life to sustain ours. Do you do them honor by living an honorable life. The amount of animals that have been killed to keep a person alive for 50 years must be staggering; yet, many of those same people might starve if they had to kill and process similar animals, in order to stay live through the next month.

    Don’t be too hard or harsh with the backyard farmer or rancher who raises and kills his own freezer meat or the hunter who supplements his family’s protein with a deer or elk; these guys are honest about life and sustenance, they live under no allusions, and they are keeping the same skills alive that people may need in the future once again.

    Treat all living things with respect; some animals we can live with and some are raised for slaughter. Those who kill and maim for sadistic thrills deserve the same treatment.

    These questions plague me and I thought I would share them with those who contemplate the same things.

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  18. Scott in Oklahoma says: 18

    My favorite Skook thought of this thread:

    “Treat all living things with respect; some animals we can live with and some are raised for slaughter. Those who kill and maim for sadistic thrills deserve the same treatment.”

    I could not agree more.

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  19. any other IMMIGRANTS adapt to AMERICA and fall in love with it’s freedom,
    except the MUSLIMS who are still stuck on their ancient LAWS and will not become TRUE AMERICANS,
    why do they come here? it is to implement their laws, wait when they are more of them,
    remember the DNC question;
    DO YOU WANT GOD IN OUR DISCUSSION? 3 times
    they yelled NO and NO AND NO,
    which was UNAMERICAN,
    now the MILITARY AT WAR ARE BEING CALLED ON BECAUSE THEY TALK ABOUT JESUS AND GOD AND THE BIBLE, that new guy which OBAMA NOMINATED, got his ass over there and told them so and to hide ther CHRISTIANITY, is in it THE WORSE OUTRAGE TO DO ON THE MILITARY<
    WHEN THEY SEE THEIR BROTHER BEING BLOWN UP BY THOSE MUSLIMS,
    WHY THE HELL SHOULD THEY HIDE THEIR FAITH IN GOD,
    and if you don't see it your blind about the increase in outrage to people,
    look up the IRS asking the CONSERVATIVES question on their RELIGION, CHRISTIANITY AGAIN,
    why the hell it has something to do with them?
    they have been told to step up the probe and it's OBAMA of course, who else?
    we know more than he think we know of his leaning,
    no one will take away the PORC here in the AMERICA,
    who ever think other wise eat your heart up ,
    yes when in ROME , do like the ROMAN DO. who said that?
    i like,
    how many MUSLIMS WORK AT THE IRS?

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  20. Brother Bob says: 20

    @Nan G: Good points. I think that things are going to keep getting worse before they get better. Until we see prominent members of the Muslim community start speaking up we can expect more of the same.

    @Skook: Very good points about killing what we eat. I’ve never gotten that close to any meat I’ve consumed, and I’m sure that it would change a lot of people’s perspective – both in people being repulsed by the process and in others gaining an appreciation for where our food comes from. I’m sure you’ve seen this Bill Whittle video that Curt had up on FA’s home page at one point, but it you haven’t you’ll probably enjoy this video that Bill Whittle made about spending a few days out in the wild:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAOrT0OcHh0

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  21. Dave the Sage
    thank you, for a very original POST.

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  22. Scott in Oklahoma says: 22

    @Brother Bob: Can’t argue with Bill Whittle… well done Bob.

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  23. Richard Wheeler says: 23

    @Skookum: Plants and animals cannot be grouped—plants have no nervous system. ALL animals feel pain. The killing of any animal should be done humanely.
    We would be healthier as a society if we limited the consumption of animals. IMO slaughter of animals,even for consumption, is unacceptable in a country that considers itself civilized.
    Skooks I just read your #17—emotional and so true.
    Semper Fi

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  24. Brother Bob says: 24

    Whittle’s old “Eject! Eject! Eject!” blog was one of my inspirations to start blogging four years ago. He’s still great over at PJTV.

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  25. FAITH7 says: 25

    I was at a party at a cousins house a few years ago. We were being introduced to a second cousins husband. My husband and I were sitting at a table on the deck having a drink and my cousins new husband was sitting with us…

    All of a sudden a spider was moseying along on the table…with one fell swoop, my cousins husband just smashed the spider…

    My husband turned and whispered in my ear…”I guess that spider didn’t have any right to live…”

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  26. Richard Wheeler says: 26

    @FAITH7: Wonder if he had any problem smacking your cousin–only as needed of course.

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  27. Scott in Oklahoma says: 27

    @Richard Wheeler: So it’s safe to assume you’re a vegan?

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  28. Nan G says: 28

    Michael Adebolajo: ‘These filthy unbelievers are pigs': Woolwich terror suspect’s rant at rally to incite youngsters

    Michael Adebolajo filmed addressing crowd of young Muslims outside mosque in north London on anniversary of 9/11
    Alleged killer tells them not to be scared of ‘filthy non-believers’
    Moments later crowd hurl bricks and fireworks at the police

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333039/Woolwich-terror-suspect-Michael-Adebolajos-rant-rally-incite-youngsters.html#ixzz2UpmZEujW
    The video of him inciting a crowd two years before he took the head nearly off that poor soldier is at the link.

    Ironically, after he murder (alleged) of Drummer Lee Rigby, the police in the UK have cracked down on speech…..not HIS speech.
    The speech of those who think wrong thoughts about Islam.
    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/bruce-bawer/brits-arrested-for-internet-comments-after-london-horror/

    Where were these same police when Michael Adebolajo was on his rant?
    Standing quietly by waiting to be pelted with the stones he incited to crowd to pick up.
    Bruce Bawer ends his piece by noting:

    As the days went by, and the stories in the British papers about the Rigby murder and its aftermath gradually diminished in number and prominence, one thing lingered: the sad, newly intensified awareness that dhimmitude in Britain is growing apace and has become well-nigh reflexive.
    In other words, jihad (both hard and soft) is working like a charm.
    Are you old enough to remember the world before, say, the Satanic Verses fatwa?
    If so, can you imagine British police officials, way back then, ever making statements of the kind made in the past few days by those cops in Bristol and Surrey – statements warning that individuals making comments that cause “harm” or “distress” to Muslims will be subject to arrest and punishment?
    Such a thing would have been inconceivable in Churchill’s Britain, or Thatcher’s.
    The grim fact, alas, is that if the Rigby murder and its aftermath demonstrate anything, it’s that Islam is still very much on the march in Britain – and free speech increasingly in retreat.

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  29. FAITH7 says: 29

    @RWheeler

    His wife (my second cousin) died….heart attack at 37… I think her weight had something to do with it… gained while pregnant with her baby….we were all shocked…

    I’ll be nice, that’s all that needs to be said in reply to your comment….

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  30. FAITH7
    hi, I guess the spider was at the wrong place in the wrong time [ PARTY]
    bye

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  31. Richard Wheeler says: 31

    @Scott in Oklahoma: I’ll eat fish, but ideally I”ll give that up too. Amazing the flavor you can get in vegetarian dishes.
    BTW Have you seen film of the merciless killing in slaughterhouses?

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  32. Skookum says: 32

    @Brother Bob: That was a good one. I don’t know how much time Whittle has logged in the bush, but at the very least he has an appreciation for what it takes to provide protein for a family.

    Whittle summed it up much better than me; this blogging will keep you humble if you are honest with yourself.

    Almost everything is better with bacon, a member of the three major food groups: bacon, coffee, and beans. I can cook a hell’uva a meal with those basics. Give me some cactus, butter, jalapeno, and leeks, and I can cook a meal that would cause Queen Elizabeth to ask for seconds.

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  33. Ditto says: 33

    The Chinese consider the pig to be an admirable creature, so much so that it is included in their zodiac.

    Pigs are models of sincerity, purity, tolerance, and honor. When you first meet them, Pigs seem too good to be true. They are careful and caring, obliging and chivalrous. Put your trust in him, he won’t let you down and he will never try to. The Pigs simply want to do everything right.

    Pigs are the people everyone admires most. Make a list of the Pigs in your life: aren’t they the nicest, most loving and scrupulously caring people around?

    Pigs are born to give, to yield and to serve. Frankly speaking, most people take advantage of this Pig nature. Also, not only are Pigs easy to fool, they like it that way too. No matter how old they get, Pig people still only see and believe that all men/women are basically good. Pig people constantly sacrifice their own happiness and comfort for the sake of somebody else.

    The Pig is a splendid companion. If you have a lifetime Pig friend, don’t think that your worries are over. Pigs are loyal, faithful and giving – only as long as they approve of you. In order to keep your lifetime Piggy friend, remember, never try to force your opinions on a Pig – A Pig rarely asks for help and cannot graciously accept it….

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  34. Scott in Oklahoma says: 34

    @Richard Wheeler: I have been in slaughterhouses, I have shot animals for meat, caught fish for meat and raised vegetables too and I am not ashamed of my eating habits (other than eating too much on occasion). I even eat hot dogs Richard, because I like them.

    I do not hunt for sport; if I kill, it goes on the table and gets shared with others.

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  35. Aqua says: 35

    @Richard Wheeler:

    I’ll eat fish, but ideally I”ll give that up too. Amazing the flavor you can get in vegetarian dishes.
    BTW Have you seen film of the merciless killing in slaughterhouses?

    Won’t the ghost of Chesty Puller come and remove your globe and anchor for this blasphemy?

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  36. Scott in Oklahoma
    hi,
    MY GOOD FRIENDS at their farm always butcher some of their cows in spring time when they bring them in the pasture many acres of it for the summer and fall, and
    cure the meat for a while, they have done it from generations on owning that farm,
    and take the cut of meat
    so well done by a BUTCHER which they have been doing it for many years for them,
    they make a box of mix part well wrap ready for their freezer, and I always buy one box
    200 dollars, it goes directly in my freezer too,
    this beef is the most tender meat I have tasted,
    and I eat only when the craving come, not everyday, and I enjoy it. done like the old way of farmer
    I think we are keeping the food of our youth which was so good that it stayed in our mind,
    and to let it go completly is to my mind depleting our mind of the pleasures thoughts
    we all need to refer to,
    when things are hard to cope with.
    bye

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  37. Skookum says: 37

    @Aqua: You don’t mess with Chesty Puller!

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  38. Aqua says: 38

    @Skookum:

    You don’t mess with Chesty Puller!

    One of my personal heroes, even though my opinion of Marines is somewhat tainted by my love of Air Force blue. I just can’t imagine the look on Chesty’s face if one of his beloved Marines told him he doesn’t eat meat.

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  39. Richard Wheeler says: 39

    @Aqua: I was a meat eater in The Corps—been moving towards vegetarianism in last couple of years as my hard working paralegal spouse has become involved with Mercy For Animals.
    Chesty wasn’t around to meet Marine Capt. Alan Jones who has world record 17,003 consecutive sit-ups. Other vegan athletes include Hank Aaron,Tony Gonzalez,Sugar Ray Leonard and the guy I always loved Jack La Lanne—When asked how he was after a heart attack at 94,he responded, “I can’t die. It would ruin my image.”
    Mike Tyson recently became a vegetarian.Think it can help his temper?

    Semper Fi Go Seminoles

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  40. Skookum says: 40

    @Aqua: It’s sad that our characters and heroes of the past, like Puller and many others, aren’t likely to reappear if the military looks for politically correct officers. At least it seems that way from out here in the peanut gallery.

    I know military members aren’t supposed to voice their political opinions, men like Patton and MacArthur won battles and lost their careers, but they were inspirational to the troops and civilians as well.

    Smedley Butler, one of the iconic Marines spoke out against politicians after he retired. Upon reviewing his career, he figured he was nothing more than a gangster for the rackets of corporations and politicians. He was an interesting character and was considered a Socialist, a political designation he denied, but he lectured many Socialist groups as well as many others, he won over the hearts of many Americans.

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  41. Ditto says: 41

    @Skookum:

    It’s sad that our characters and heroes of the past, like Puller and many others, aren’t likely to reappear if the military looks for politically correct officers.

    The military or CIC can reactivate inactive reserve, long ago released and even retired military back into active duty. So, if a conservative Republican wins in 2016, they can bring back traditionalist military generals, and replace the leftist Pentagon leadership that is trying to turn the military into a “progressive” nightmare.

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  42. Scott in Oklahoma
    the TORNADO is in OKLAHOMA CITY
    how are you doing there?

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  43. Scot in Oklahoma
    a new tornado warning there fire on the road take cover now
    I 44will be hit wow he is on I40 every post are exploding
    bye
    north side of I 40 and SOUTH side of I40
    tornado heafing in populated area,
    multiple tornado heading for THE CITY
    oh my it’s big
    it’s moving toward AIRPORT
    eleven minute from now the TORNADO coming

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  44. Scott in Oklahoma says: 44

    We’re good ‘Bees… thanks for the concern!

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  45. Scott in Oklahoma
    good take care

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  46. retire05 says: 46

    @Richard Wheeler:

    BTW Have you seen film of the merciless killing in slaughterhouses?

    Do you support abortion, Richard? A simple “yes” or “no” will do.

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  47. Richard Wheeler says: 47

    retire05: @<a href="http://floppingaces.net/2013/05/29/long-: I support abortion to save life of mother,rape and incest. I strongly support making adoption easier.I am absolutely opposed to abortion as a form of birth control.

    I am against the merciless slaughter of animals.

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  48. retire05 says: 48

    @Richard Wheeler:

    Well,, at least you have one point in your favor.

    Now, how can you in good conscience vote for politicians that support the mass slaughter of the unborn knowing that rape/incest represent less than 1% of all abortions performed and that the life of the mother, according to the testimony of a former abortionist, is at less risk when a C-section is performed compared to an abortion?

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  49. Richard Wheeler says: 49

    @retire05: I personally am against abortion but I don’t have the right to force any decision on a woman’s right to choice regarding her body.If asked I would counsel adoption.

    BTW “Mass slaughter of the unborn” Your typical hyperbole.

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