8 Jan

If the government can share your gun permit data with the public, why not your tax and income data too?

                                       

In the wake of the tragedy in Connecticut last month a newspaper serving the New York City suburbs, The Journal News, decided to post to its website the names and addresses of all of the legal gun owners in Westchester, Rockland, and Putnam counties. Gun owners were outraged. In response a blogger posted the names and addresses of the key players at the newspaper’s editorial staff. The Journal, a unit of USA Today publisher Gannett, accessed the names and addresses via a Freedom Of Information request which makes most government data available to the public.

This is a blatant misuse of government data and the government is complicit in that misuse. The state of New York requires that all handguns be registered. That means that in order to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, a law abiding citizen must request permission from the state of New York, something they don’t have to do with the freedom of religion, speech or anything else in the Constitution. (This doesn’t apply to owning a rifle, only handguns.) Bad enough that citizens must ask, but what’s worse, New York is a “May issue” state, which means that the state has the right to say “No, you are not allowed to exercise your 2nd Amendment right”. A denial can only be overturned in court if the denial is shown to be arbitrary and capricious. And don’t forget, in the case of New York City, the people making that decision are part of the same government that thinks it’s reasonable to ban large sodas.

If perchance the government deigns to allow you to own a gun in New York, and if you then want to carry that gun outside your home, you’ll now have to request permission for that separately – and that does apply to long guns as well. The state or local authorities then get to decide if you have a good reason to carry one. It doesn’t matter if you believe you need it for self defense, what matters is whether or not you can convince them that you need it for self defense.

So now that the government of New York has forced its citizens to beg for permission in order to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms, it then keeps all their names and addresses in a database that it then shares with just about anyone who asks.

Of course this is a bonanza for criminals. Now they know where they can go to steal guns. Or they can know in advance which homes will require extra firepower or more men because the owner may be armed. What’s more, criminals are now able to use the database to harass and threaten police and prison guards and their families. At the same time victims who have fled domestic abuse and who have successfully navigated the gun licensing maze now have their names and addresses published for their tormenters to find.

This is a clear example of an abuse of government power. If a citizen is law abiding, and has gone through all of the hoops that government has established in order to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, (as unconstitutional as they may be) does the government then has the right to provide that citizen’s information to the public? That is a circular argument: The government imposes severe restrictions and registration requirements in order for a citizen to exercise their rights, then because they have collected that data they say their hands are tied and they must provide it to the public.

Well, if that’s the case, then shouldn’t income and tax information be made public? The government forces people to pay taxes and keeps tax information on every person. Shouldn’t the government make that data available to anyone who asks? Of course not. That would be ludicrous. The question is however, what makes tax and income data any more privileged than the notion that someone feels a need to protect their home and family? Losing your personal information is no doubt a bad thing, but worse is losing your life because some newspaper gave a criminal the heads about what to expect when they broke into your house. Just as there is no compelling reason for the government to open up its tax database to the public, there is no compelling reason for the government to open up its gun permit database to the public.

It’s situations like this that make gun owners weary of registering their weapons in the first place. Government collects massive amounts of data on its citizens, from driver’s licenses to arrest records to the medicines you take, the government at all levels has a plethora of information on every citizen. Because the government has that data – often coercing citizens to provide it – does that automatically mean that that information is available to the public? Obviously not. Freedom Of Information Act and government sunshine laws provide an important tool for citizens who seek to monitor government activity. Those laws should not be used to invade the privacy of law abiding citizens, whether it has to do with taxes, gun ownership or any other law abiding activity. As despicable as the Journal’s actions were, they were enabled by a government that misunderstands its responsibilities as they relate to protecting the information it collects on the citizens. Which simply demonstrates that the more power government accumulates the more opportunities it will have to negatively impact the lives of its citizens. Or put another way, small government = big freedom while big government = small freedom.

About Vince

The product of a military family, growing up in Naples, Italy and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and being stationed in Germany for two years while in the Army, Vince spent half of his first quarter century seeing the US from outside of its own borders. That perspective, along with a French wife and two decades as a struggling entrepreneur have only fueled an appreciation for freedom and the fundamental greatness of the gifts our forefathers left us.
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41 Responses to If the government can share your gun permit data with the public, why not your tax and income data too?

  1. Johnny Idaho says: 1

    Let’s publish names and addresses of all recipients of any form of public assitance…and highlite those who use their debit cards in liquor stores, strip clubs and casinos.

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  2. Tibby says: 2

    This cannot simply be accepted. I own a few guns. I don’t use them, but they are mine. This is another bite out of our freedom. I think the gun owners listed should sue the paper. I don’t like lawsuits being the ‘strike back’, but this is harassment, and should be addressed as such.

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  3. VINCE
    THANK YOU FOR THAT WELL EXPLAIN POST,
    IT did cross my mind of why a newspaper would have given the right to publish that map, those government employees paid by the people they don’t give a dam to protect,
    I knew something was wrong very wrong there, and yes those in government jobs failed
    to preserve the right of the people to have the data kept under confidential place where only the security and the police could get the info of a person ,
    not of a total group in a part of AMERICA for intent to hurt, the giver of access is the government
    which lost it’s credibility of restrict access to data, they should be fired there and the recipient newspaper should be fired for their nefarious intent to publish it,
    public or not the access was making a lot of people in danger, they lost the credibility of the readers as well as the government employee lost it,
    there was one good man who stood tall against the paper he should be given a higher position , one which need smart common sense in case like that, he would there by provide the security needed
    in those offices and reverse the corrupt mentality of that staff eager to help a bad intent newspaper,
    the problem they gave to citizens are not fix and won’t be
    so easy fix, it will linger for a long time bringing a lot of trouble to citizens for years, who will repair it?
    the newspaper have stupidly and dangerously open the can which they did not think of having to find a way to close it,
    at any time, they find themselve duh dunno duh, like idiot

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  4. Nan G says: 4

    We should put this all in contest.
    Newspaper circulation is in decline all over the country.
    The Journal News is run by two broads who are more concerned with sensationalized news than facts.
    All they want to do is improve their paper’s circulation.
    Sad, because they have achieved the opposite!
    Near the bottom of this article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/nyregion/after-pinpointing-gun-owners-journal-news-is-a-target.html?hp&_r=1&&pagewanted=all
    “[T]he Journal News’ Monday through Friday circulation rate has plummeted almost 40%, “from 111,536 in September 2007 to 68,850 in September 2012.”
    Add to that, Gun map at Journal News latest: It lists dead people, expired permits too, according to The Examiner.
    So, they weren’t even accurate!

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  5. Nan G
    hi,
    those kind of human are the lowest human in my book,
    they don’t care who they ruin or hurt, they prey on good law abiding people,
    they don’t have enough guts to aim at criminals who do wrong to other good citizens,
    they should be face down on their vomit to taste it, they deserve no forgiveness,
    and THE PEOPLE WILL GIVE THEM BACK THE SAME OF WHAT THEY GAVE.

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  6. johngalt says: 6

    As I suggested yesterday, the blogger needs to go further and note which of those Journal News employees do NOT own guns, what their financial standing is(net worth, worth of home, etc.), and even provide a link to one of the map sites showing driving directions to those employees’ homes. Essentially, create the big, blinking neon sign pointing out to the criminals in society where these “soft” targets can be located.

    Shame obviously won’t work on the Journal News, since their management doesn’t feel any, even after repeated requests by gun owners and groups to stop what they are doing. Maybe fear is the ticket, then.

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  7. Nan G says: 7

    The ”government” and guns.
    People who are ”connected” get the breaks.
    Like that terrorist/occupier in NY who got busted with firearms, explosives and drugs the other day.
    Aaron Greene.
    And his so-pregnant-she-gave-birth-in-jail girlfriend, Morgan Gliedman.
    Now, this is NEW YORK, mind you.
    So, how is THIS possible?…..

    Jeff Greene was previously sentenced to a year in prison for stabbing a Lower East Side bouncer in 2005.
    Last year, he was sentenced to five months in jail after he and girlfriend Morgan Gliedman, 27, were spotted in a car with heroin inside, and a Ruger Mini-14 assault rifle in the trunk.

    Why such SHORT time for GUN offenses?
    For a convicted FELON?
    In NEW YORK?
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/village_bomb_beau_hey_it_just_fireworks_ZYwi6Ib5gE0QaV3JeOSDKJ
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2013/01/02/abc-skips-occupy-connection-terror-case-falsely-smeared-tea-partier-

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  8. ” Shouldn’t the government make [income tax return] data available to anyone who asks? Of course not. That would be ludicrous. ”

    Maybe not so ludicrous. When the people’s revolution comes, the occupy organizers will need to tell the mobs exactly who should be hog tied for trial as “willfully rich.”

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  9. Nan G
    imagine him getting away with this kind of offenses,
    WHEN I read about MANY FELONS still paying after some ten years of being branded with felon
    for less felony than this two persons.
    justice for the DEMOCRATS BUT NOT FOR OTHER.

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  10. Jim S says: 10

    Clearly, the people at this “newspaper” don’t understand the difference between having the right to do something and being right in doing it.

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  12. tomd says: 11

    In any and all home invasions in that area , the publishers of that map should be charged as accessories to the crimes committed !! and the victims should be able to sue for damages!

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  13. Ditto says: 12

    “Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”

    -Attributed to Sarah Brady, President of Handgun Control, Inc., to Senator Howard Metzenbaum – The National Educator, January, 1994, Page 3.

    The appears to be accurate to the extent that National Educator ran the quote. The nature and accuracy of their source is a matter of some debate. However, neither Brady nor Metzenbaum appear to have denied the statement or accused the National Educator of libel.

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  14. I think the ones who will buy most gun at this point and because of those stupid newspaper owners are the WOMAN MOTHERS TO PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEIR HUSBAND LEAVE FOR WORK,
    AND THEY KNOW NOW WHAT TO BUY AND WHAT NOT TO BUY,
    THAT IS NOT THE SAME GUN AS THE MOTHER OF TWIN, THEY WILL GO FOR MORE POWERFUL GUN,
    SO IF AN INTRUDER COME THEY WON’T MISS IT,
    THERE WILL BE A CLEAN UP IN PRISONS OVER CROWDED BY THOSE SCUMS,
    THE FIRST MOVE OF GOVERNMENT IS NOT TO TARGET THE LAW ABIDING GUN OWNER CITIZENS,
    NO
    THEIR FIRST MOVE IS TO TARGET THE THIEVES AND RAISE THE PRISON TIME

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  15. what is the GOVERNMENT DOING ABOUT THE FBI AGENT KEPT PRISONER IN IRAN,
    HE HAS BEEN THERE 4 YEARS NOW STILL ASKING FOR HELP
    HE HAS A CAREER OF WORKING FOR AMERICA,
    WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT DOING TO GET HIM BACK
    NOTHING,
    HIS WIFE HAS BEEN ASKING IN FOX NEWS FOR HELP,
    IS THAT ANOTHER BENGHASI STYLE NOT ANSWERING THE DESPERATE CALL FOR HELP BY SECURITY EMPLOYEE ,
    MOVE YOUR BUTT OBAMA THIS IS A MUST DO,
    THIS PERSON GAVE A BIG PART OF HIS LIFE FOR AMERICA,
    WHAT THE HELL IS THE LEADERSHIP IS DRAGGING HIS TAIL FOR?
    WE HAVE 4 FINES CITIZENS DEAD BECAUSE YOU DRAG YOUR TAIL ON GIVING THE RIGHT HELP AND YOU DENIED IT.
    THEY HAD ASK FOR 17 TIMES BEFORE AND AFTER
    WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THE FASHION OF LEAVING THE SECURITY PEOPLE, TO ROT IN THOSE INFECTED PRISON ABROAD,
    THEY DID THEIR WORK ,
    NOW OBAMA DO YOUR WORK TO GET HIM OUT
    IF ANYTHING HAPPEN TO HIM , YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FROM A TO Z,
    WE WON’T LET YOU SLEEP ON IT EVER

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  16. Liberal1 (Objectivity) says: 15

    “…small government = big freedom while big government = small freedom. ”

    Three questions: Although this idea makes good right-wing rhetoric, how do you measure the size of government; and which modern-day president has succeeded in that goal; who’s to determine the quantity of freedom one has?

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  17. Liberal1
    you ask who’s to determine the quantity of freedom one has?
    EASY answer, look and learn the CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE COMMERCE CLAUSE,
    AS SIMPLE AS THAT

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  18. Tibby says: 17

    Beez – that’s the thing – the Constitution and Bill of rights are VERY specific. However since the left has decided that it “depends on what the definition of ______ is” – they just change the definition to suit their needs!! (And we all know when this was first tried – the current administration is just the end product to date). That is what we have to combat. Well, that and ALL the elitist know-it-alls in both parties. I’m pretty disgusted with them all at this point. Taxed. Enough. Already. Remember what the Tea Party stands for and stand for that – get government back in the hands of the people.

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  19. Tibby
    yes, you said it better, I like it
    thank you

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  20. MARK says: 20

    In case any of you wonder,,,,the release of those names, violates the Privacy Act of 1976! This is a felony, therefore the paper and those who released those names are criminals. The privacy act protects certain things from FOI requests. These gun owners should sue the paper and the city for allowing this list to be published.

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  21. mydogpopo says: 21

    Someone needs to find out where this janet hasson lives and post it as the person responsible for listing all the registered gun owners in the area……………post where she eats, goes to the gym or whatever and she how she likes it………

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  22. johngalt says: 22

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity):

    Three questions:

    Ok, Lib1, I’ll answer them.

    how do you measure the size of government;

    Simple question with a not so simple answer. There are several different aspects that determine the “size” of government, one of them being the actual number of people working within it. Another aspect is how much of the nation’s economy is directly affected by the particular nation’s government. And still another aspect is how invasive that government is into the lives of the nation’s citizens.

    As for number of people working within our federal government, there are, approximately, 4.5 million federal employees as of this moment. Considering America’s total population, of around 300 million, that is one federal employee for every 66 people. Or, considering the total number of employed within the country, of 140 million, roughly 3% of the total workforce. Should it be that high? I don’t believe so, and given the scope our own Constitution limits the federal government to, it is extremely high in relation to what they are actually supposed to be responsible for.

    And the same with the economic aspect. Our GDP is roughly $16 Trillion, and yet, the government is responsible for nearly 1/4 of that, at $3.8 Trillion(likely to be more next year). Should the government be in charge of 1/4 of the spending within our country?

    What about how invasive the federal government is, regulatory-wise, in your own personal life? Now add state and local statutes onto that. You wake up and go to the bathroom, and immediately are confronted with the effects of government intrusion via laws affecting the flow of your toilet, the size of the drain out of your home, the makeup of the water flowing into your home(if you have city water and not a well, although wells are regulated as to depth, materials and flow amounts as well). Let’s say that you then go to make breakfast. Once again, government intrusion is prevalent, as the eggs you cook are required to meet guidelines, the bread you use for toast is likely made in a union shop where government regulation affects the price you paid for that loaf, the bacon you fry with your eggs comes from a business regulated on cleanliness and even grade of meat they use for it, and the juice or milk you drink with breakfast is regulated on how it is made, pasteurized, stored, and delivered to the store you frequent.

    After getting ready for work, if you do work, you hop into your vehicle which is rife with all sorts of governmental required safety, performance, and operation regulations, not to mention that the gas you’ve put into it, more so if you live in a state like Illinois or California, must meet federal and state guidelines on it’s composition, which affects the price you pay at the pump. The road you drive on is regulated by state and federal guidelines as to speed, lane-changing, navigation, what you can carry in your vehicle while on that road, the process of driving the vehicle itself(such as no-texting laws), etc. Then you pull into your work and are confronted with more regulations from government on parking, such as allowances for handicap parking, and even the size of the spaces depending on where you live.

    All of that and more, and you’ve only woken up, gotten ready, ate breakfast, and driven to work. How many more regulations will you run up against during the entire day before you get home from work, and then while at home, even more as you turn on your TV and sit down to relax, or jump on the computer and surf the net? Think about it and just about everything you do, on a daily basis, is regulated somehow, someway, by a government entity.

    So, the size of the federal government, which is the one conservative are primarily concerned with, in many peoples’ estimation, is too big.

    and which modern-day president has succeeded in that goal

    Easy question. None of them. Not even Reagan or Bush. The trend has consistently been that the size of the federal government grows annually, in number of employed, in budgetary matters, in how many new regulations and laws are added, etc. But it’s not just the President. It’s Congress and the courts, who are unwilling to reduce their power they have gained over the years, over individuals and businesses. The natural tendency of government is to gain power while reducing the freedom of the people within the nation. This is as true of democracies as it is dictatorships and socialist governments.

    who’s to determine the quantity of freedom one has?

    This is the real question, isn’t it? And also the most important one. Our Constitution was adopted by the original 13 colonies, along with the Bill of Rights, to limit the ability of the government to gain power over, and reduce the freedoms of, the citizens of the United States. However, since the inception of this country there have been various entities, groups, individuals, and movements, who have purposely avoided and ignored the Constitution, with the help of the judiciary, to gain that power and reduce those freedoms. They have implemented “solutions” that take power away from the citizens and inhabit it within a small portion of the citizenry. As well, they have also allowed for the majority to tyrannize the minority, a condition the founders were adamantly opposed to. They have also abdicated responsibilities and accountability for expressly written items, within the Constitution, to groups of people who work against the economic and individual freedoms and rights of We, the People.

    And who has allowed this to happen? We, the People. That’s who. For too long, in my opinion. But it’s hard to resist the candyman that most politicians have become, giving away hard earned wealth and investing it in various entities and groups for the sole purpose of retaining power over the citizenry.

    Why? Because people have bought into the idea that they should be able to tell others how to live. How to work. How long to work. How much they must give up from their labors. How others should act. How others should behave. How others should look. How others should talk. How others should think and believe. All while defending their own viewpoints on all of the above that come under attack. Basically, that whatever is good for the goose isn’t good for the gander, so to speak.

    And what makes those people any better than the ones they limit in their freedoms and liberties? We are all created equal, correct? So what gives Bloomberg, for example, the right to make people stop buying large sodas? Or the NY councilman deciding how much salt intake is too much? Or the gun-control crowd deciding how much protection I should have in my home? Or any number of the multitudes of regulations other people would impose on us?

    It is tyranny, Lib1, plain and simple. The soft tyranny practiced in the various governments throughout the United States is accepted, and even applauded at times, as the governments grow in power and you and I are less free than before to do as we will. Even you cannot deny that. Maybe you believe it is necessary to further society, but you cannot deny that it is happening.

    So, the biggest question, then becomes; How much is too much control over our lives? That is the debate point right now.

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  23. johngalt
    wow that’s good and well said,
    thank you. super

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  24. Ditto says: 24

    County Sheriffs Can Block Federal Gun Control
    RightMarch January 4, 2013

    Da Tagliare at Godfather Politics reports:

    President Obama has given his comic sidekick the task of pushing gun control measures through Congress. Democrats and some liberal Republicans are calling for more gun control after the tragic shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Some state and municipal politicians, like the #1 anti-gun person in the nation – New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, are also calling for more control.

    But did you know that no matter what gun control laws are passed by the federal government, they can only be enforced in your area if your county sheriff allows them to be.

    Most people, including politicians fail to realize that the ultimate legal authorities in the land are the county sheriffs. This was established from the time of the Founding Fathers and upheld by the US Supreme Court in the 1997 case of Printz v. United States. Initially, the case was Mack v. United States, but by the time it reached the Supreme Court it was renamed.

    The case involved new federal regulations involved with the Brady Bill and gun control. FBI agents went around to the various county sheriffs and demanded that they follow the new federal guidelines. Then Graham County (AZ) Sheriff Richard Mack and several others saw the Brady Bill as being unconstitutional and refused to impose the new federal guidelines. Part of their defense was that the county sheriff was the supreme law enforcement officer over their county and that the federal government could not supersede their legal authority.

    In the court’s decision, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote:

    “. . . The great innovation of this design was that ‘our citizens would have two political capacities, one state and one federal, each protected from incursion by the other’” – “a legal system unprecedented in form and design, establishing two orders of government, each with its own direct relationship, its own privity, its own set of mutual rights and obligations to the people who sustain it and are governed by it.” (P.920)

    Justice Scalia then quoted the man considered to be the Father of the US Constitution, President James Madison, when he wrote in the decision:

    “[T]he local or municipal authorities form distinct and independent portions of the supremacy, no more subject, within their respective spheres, to the general authority than the general authority is subject to them, within its own sphere.” The Federalist, No. 39 at 245.

    Scalia then referred to Gregory, 501 US at 458 when he wrote:

    “This separation of the two spheres is one of the Constitution’s structural protections of liberty: ‘Just as the separation and independence of the coordinate branches of the Federal Government serve to prevent the accumulation of excessive power in any one branch, a healthy balance of power between the States and the Federal Government will reduce the risk of tyranny and abuse from either front.’. . .”

    Referring once again to President Madison, Scalia wrote:

    “In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first divided between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subdivided among distinct and separate departments. Hence a double security arises to the rights of the people. The different governments will control each other, at the same time that each will be controlled by itself.” (P. 922).

    In other words, the county sheriff is the highest governmental authority in his county and he does not have to bow to the tyranny of the federal government if he deems such actions to be unconstitutional or unlawful. In essence, the county sheriff has more legal authority within his county than the governor or the state or even the president of the United States.

    Today, former Sheriff Richard Mack works with a number of county sheriffs throughout the county, helping them understand the extent of their authority and how they can legally defy the federal government. I would highly recommend that you contact your county sheriff and see if he/she is aware of their powers and duties. If not, get them in contact with Mack and urge your county sheriff to stand up against upcoming unconstitutional gun laws that the liberals are going to try to impose on us.

    If you want to learn about the Role of Law Enforcement or on gun control, From My Cold Dead Fingers, from Sheriff Mack, click on the links and share this with your county sheriff, friend, family and anyone else you can think of.

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  25. MARK
    I was wondering how come they could get away with that,
    just because as they said it was a public document,
    thank you for getting that law in,
    yes they should be sue for all they have for what they did of wrong to good people,
    and I hope they are sue, that will set example to other
    who where ask if they would do it in their newspaper,
    they could not refuse to do it, and other said they would do it,
    how can you now buy their paper after that?

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  26. Jaime Cancio says: 26

    Specifically the Second Amendment states ‘the right to bare arms’ and it makes nor implies any specific tool that one might choose. Therefore there is no distinction in the citizen’s right to select any tool of choice. The First Amendment states we have a right to ‘privacy’ and therefor don’t have to provide any government in power in the United States information we would consider private.

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  27. Ditto
    another wow for giving us the tools
    thank you, another one full of good advices

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  28. CURT
    AS A SHERIF YOU HAVE THAT POWER,
    and I am so glad it’s you who have such a POWER.

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  29. Tibby says: 29

    Great break-downs JohnGalt and Ditto. Thanks once more.

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  30. grumpy3625 says: 30

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity): Hey Liberal1 – something happened to you along the way. A child can answer your question about liberty easier and more accurately than you. It is people like you who open that door wide enough to allow the disease to slip through and infect us. The Constitution enumerates the powers in Article 1 that is given to the government by the people (that means us), so it means that the powers of the government are defined and limited. The Constitution also states in the 9th and 10th amendments that our (the peoples) rights are not enumerated; that they can’t be enumerated because they cannot be logically defined or enumerated. Any child inherently knows the truth of that in their heart. That is a gift directly from God to us from the moment of our birth. A child is closer to that truth because they are closer to God being that they are newly made from God. It’s a shame that we lose our touch and connection to God the older we get. We let screwy and wingnut notions get into our heads and then we elect wingnuts to serve us. Get in touch with yourself and you’ll get in touch with God and then you will know how to treat yourself and others with respect and not have to ask silly questions.

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  31. Jaime Cancio says: 31

    There are some some constraints I have to consider in the comments I will make. One I will keep priviledged the names of the companies I was involved as a person of executive management and security for those companies. In most companies there are three personnel files kept on all employees and two of those are viewable by the employee and the remainder is a security folder no emolyee will ever see. It is safe to say, that one file holds all your pertinent information when you were hired. The second file, usually held off site, and in central company location, are the data complied found in the first folder to include information to be used against an employee during the termination process, all your past sins [company write ups] as an employee and observation about you as an employee this to include any termination. The third file is all the priviledge information a company can find out about you…these files can be extensive and most people would be very surprised what a company can find out about you from doctors, police and government records and information from employee tracking companies and the military. And this has been going on since the late eighties that I am aware. You would very worried how much information can be found out about you when someone wants to look. This recent example an executive manager and and his girl friend technical assistant while using company transportation that has embedded GPS tracking sofeware with time stamp and location recording, clearly indicated at a time both these two employees were supposed to be working their company automobiles indicated they were at a restaurant bar having meals and drinking [company credit card information] and later both drove to a almost out of town motel their autombiles there approximately three full hours. The concerns of the company, first these two were stealing of company time and pay when they were supposed to be working, second they where using company vehicles while intoxicated was an immediate insurance problem. Third, both employees involved in this situation had signed a company morals code of conduct that on several grounds the company was put into a very problematic situation. I could go on and on; but you I think better understand from the viewpoint of a company trying to protect its own interest.

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  32. Jaime Cancio
    yes, YOU and this post brought about some of the best important know how
    regarding the way to deal with the gun owners problems today being targeted over mentally sicken people
    killing children with no other motive than their collapse brain,
    which the two are as far apart as the effort to accuse the law abiding gun owners responsible and the best
    citizens to be protecting this NATION from the other sick brain, who took access to gun by violence
    which is also criminal adding to sick brain,
    I don’t blame COMPAMY TO WANT TO HAVE ALL THE CHANCES ON THEIR SIDES
    when deciding on hiring their employees,
    this here give me the GREAT opportunity to ask those COMPANIES TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND IF A
    PERSON SEEK A POSITION HAVING THE RIGHT SKILL TO BE AN EXCELLENT ASSET TO THAT COMPANY, WHICH AFTER THE SEARCH IS FOUND A FELONY OF SOME MANY YEARS PREVIOUS,
    AND FOUND TO HAVE PAID THE PRICE IN YEARS AND FOUND TO NOT BE A DANGER TO SOCIETY,
    AND FOUND TO HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO GIVE HIS BEST TO THAT POSITION, HE HAS BEEN SEEKING FOR THE FEW YEARS OF HOPING AND SEARCHING, AND BEING NOT HIRED BECAUSE OF HIS PAST ONLY,
    INSTEAD OF HIS PRESENT LIFE AND GOOD WILL AND SKILL HIGHLY IN DEMAND,
    I ask the COMPANIES TO BE LOOKING AT THIS HUMAN PROBLEM , VERY SERIOUSLY IN THEIR FUTURE HIRING POLICIES TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE MULTI THOUSANDS TRUE AMERICANS IN THAT DESPERATE SITUATION SEEKING ON AND ON POSITIONS MEETING THE COMPANY DEMANDS, AND COURAGELY NOT GIVING UP ON HOPE,
    I REPEAT ,ASKING THE COMPANIES TO LOOK UPON THOSE AMERICANS, AND HIRE THEM,
    WHICH WOULD BECOME A MOST LIKELY LOYAL EMPLOYEE, GIVING HIS ALL AND BECOME
    AN ASSET TO THE COMPANY INSTEAD OF A DANGER OF WASTING THEIR TIMES
    LIKE THOSE TWO YOU HAVE MENTIONED
    IT IS TIME TO RETHINK THE HIRING POLICIES OF THE COMPANIES WHO SEEK TO MAKE A SUCCESS,
    BY HIRING THE BEST AT IT, REGARDLESS OF THE PAST SIN.
    as you noted about two employees who had a clean hiring sheet, and failed miserably to do the COMPANY DUTY REQUIRED,
    HERE ARE THE PROOF OF THE BENEFICE ADDED BY HIRING THE OTHERS WHO HAD SUFFER AND LEARNED WHILE PAYING THEIR PRICE FOR HAVING FALL,

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  33. MI Patriot says: 33

    @Johngault..There are sites on the Internet that do provide that information. Sites such as Spokeo, Ppl, Peeplo, Intellius etc provide the information you mention. Unfortunately, you have to pay for it. Perhaps it would behoove all of us who know somebody who does skip tracing for a collection agency or a private detective how to go about getting this information cheap or free. All govn’t, at lease as far I know, are all a matter of public record. ie titles, marriage licenses, criminal background checks, when you voted, etc. And with Googlemaps, you can easily put a driving map with the addresses of the people.

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  35. Texas Tanker says: 34

    Perhaps ALL things paid for with/by public funds, issued by a government entity, and other things such military records should be available in a similar fashion. Then things such as passports, college loan applicatons, college transcripts, college papers such as a thesis or dissertation, and tax returns – with SSAN’s redacted of course – would all be immediately available to the public. No special privileges for these type of records.

    If they can report the name, address, and telephone number of someone who owns a pistol, then we should be able to see and publish John Kerry’s military Officer Records Brief and 201 File. Also, it would put to rest a lot of speculation if we could publish certain college transcripts and records of one Barak Hussein Obama. Sounds fair to me.

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  36. Texas Tanker
    yep, sound’s fair to me also.
    thank you

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  37. alanstorm says: 36

    @Liberal1 (Subjectivity):

    How do you measure the size of government?

    Spending to GDP is a good measure. Ours is too big. You are trying to employ the “heap” property, i.e. what constitutes a heap of sand? There’s an obvious difference between a sand grain and a sand dune, but when does a a group of sand grains become a “heap”? Nice try at obfuscation.

    Which modern-day president has succeeded in that goal?

    Absolutely immaterial. You must be a liberal.

    Who’s to determine the quantity of freedom one has?

    We are; relates to the first question. since you’re a liberal, the only freedoms you are likely interested in relate to who you can have sex with and whether you can get an abortion.

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  38. Ditto says: 37

    In a “related news” update: Iowa Newspaper Criticized For Publishing Map Showing Schools With No Security

    The Des Moines Register is being criticized for publishing online a map that shows which public school districts in the state have security and which ones do not.

    The interactive map, which has since been pulled down from the website, showed red dots indicating which schools did not have guards and green dots to show which schools did.

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  39. Ditto
    those newspaper are the dangerous one, they should be taken
    of the right to publish anything, they are not worthy of having readers, because the will screw the people so to make money selling it,
    they should be charge with all the might of the law which spell out the protection of the people,
    against those monger rats

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  40. MI Patriot
    if the COMPANIES use GOOGLE to find the background of FELONS
    from years ago as a teen made a fault and paid for it and stayed cool all this time,
    those young AMERICANS made to suffer for being refuse because of the LABEL always there,
    of course the right thing would be to have the same search from OBAMA of his drug use and trips
    to COUNTRIES not allowed by this GOVERNMENT in time of another PRESIDENT.
    he went anyway arrogantly disobeying the law of this AMERICA, sure the search would surprise his
    crowd of believers that he is a MESSIAH, pure as JESUS,
    sure they would be out for a hell of a surprise,
    it will come after he leave, but it should have come before he got the position and used it to destroy the best of AMERICA’s standing in the WORLD, and the best of AMERICA CHRISTIANITY, which is now barred from public schools replace by the ARAB LEAGUE teachers and atheist empty doctrine teachers
    or other dangerous propaganda, bringing more corrupt minds to take away the rights of THE PEOPLE one at the time
    we never saw in the HISTORY
    of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

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