3 Sep

The Prisoner’s Dilemma [Reader Post]

                                       

"This is your last day in jail. You’ve served the time that you owe to the state for your crimes and you’re now free to go."

"Um, what if I don’t want to go?"

"In all of the years I’ve been working here I’ve never heard that one before. Why on Earth would you want to stay in prison?"

"Are you kidding me? Life in here is great! The government pays for my housing, it feeds me; it even pays for my health care! Sure I have to give up a great deal of freedom, but if I leave here I have to get a job and produce something useful enough to society to earn a paycheck. I don’t want to be put back in the chains of the responsibility of having to show up in a certain place when and where someone tells me to."

"But that’s a two way street. Yes, we pay for your room and board here, but do you really like only having a small cell to yourself? Do you really like the food in here? Yes, you have free health care but your care and all of the other prisoners’ care falls under our budget. You may not get to see a doctor as quickly as you might like and if a treatment is outside of our budget you won’t get it, either. While being on the outside does mean that you have certain responsibilities, those responsibilities offer you the freedom to walk whatever path you want. If you don’t want to work hard you can find a place and the means to live cheaply. If you want more out of life you can choose to work harder, or learn a trade that pays more. If you don’t like living in a small apartment in a dangerous neighborhood you can choose to work harder, and earn the income to improve your lot in life. In here there is no income inequality, but that only is achieved by putting limits on success, not improving opportunity for the bottom. Wouldn’t you prefer to sacrifice guaranteed mediocrity for the chance at living a fulfilling life?"

"You obviously don’t understand the new enlightened view of what human rights entail . It should be a human rights guarantee that a nation as wealthy as ours can provide to feed and house its poorest citizens."

"Being guaranteed something doesn’t mean that you’re going to get what you want. Having someone guarantee to pay for your health care is not the same as actually seeing a doctor. Being guaranteed housing could have you living in dangerous conditions, like people who have followed some notorious slum lords. And of course, you are ignoring the liberty of the person whose money has to be confiscated to pay for something that you don’t want to pay for."

"Your unwillingness to have these items provided for me shows that you are nothing more than a pro-starvation and pro-homelessness extremist."

"Let me ask you a question. If these positions are extremist what happens if everybody adopts your philosophy? If we have everybody holding their hands out for free things but nobody left willing to pay for them then society collapses. What happens if everyone follows your lead?"

"Stop presenting me with inconvenient truths! Do I have to go commit another felony or are you going to lock me back up?’

Calling an upcoming presidential election the most important in our times has become a cliche, but this time I agree with it. The fact that the current election is expected to be close is disturbing at best, and terrifying at worst. The same people who decried George W. Bush’s economy and in 2004 were asking if you’re better off than you were four years ago then are now willing to overlook the fact that the economy is in far worse shape than it was during the Bush presidency. The same people who angrily denounce banks that are too big to fail are thrilled at a government that is doing the same. We now have higher unemployment, low growth, trillions in new debt and absolutely no sign of improvement from a president who has proven to be economically illiterate and is too brilliant to learn why his policies are failing. Instead of worrying about trivialities like these the president’s supporters are focused on critical issues like hating chicken sandwich makers, buying birth control for future one percenters, and making fun of the therapy treatments used by a Multiple Sclerosis patient. And of from my occasional viewings of MSNBC I think that the key issues America most wants to hear about are, in no particular order, rape, rape, rape, rape, and rape.

Every time I hear them use that word I get hopeful in that they’re using an over the top metaphor for what President Obama is doing to our economy, but those hopes are always quickly dashed. The closeness of the current polls are a scary barometer as to what kind of grasp our country has on reality and looks for in its leadership. So why do the same leftists who decried the Bush economy still support Obama?

I don’t know, but I have a theory…

On one side we have one party that either lacks the intelligence to understand or is willfully ignoring the problem of our unfunded entitlement liabilities. On the other side we have a party that lacks the courage to stand up and loudly educate the American public that the threat is real, possibly out of fear for implicating so many of their own in this crime. We have one vice-presidential candidate in the race along with a Republican governor of a blue state who understand this, and hopefully we’ll see and hear a lot more from them.

Who we elect as president and who we elect to Congress is going to be telling for what we want to be as a society. Will we continue the "me first" approach and keep demanding things from our government as fundamental rights, or do we have the will to be adults and take hard looks at real problems? Having over $61 Trillion in unfunded liabilities is not going to become any less real a problem regardless of who we elect. Whether we are ready to tackle these problems now or decide that we’re going to ignore them until they become a very real crisis remains to be seen. As the Baby Boomers and Gen-X ers move toward retirement the millennials and the kids being born today are going to be the ones gradually taking power and they will have to deal with the seeds we choose to sow. And they might not be too happy with us when they see what we’ve left them.

As a bumper sticker goes, "Treat your children well. Someday they’ll be choosing your nursing home." If we keep on wanting others to make choices for us, we might not like what gets chosen.

Cross posted from Brother Bob’s Blog

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18 Responses to The Prisoner’s Dilemma [Reader Post]

  1. Nan G says: 1

    All the socialized European governments are finding out that their homegrown Muslim population, as well as imports see no distinction between being on the dole on the outside or in prison.
    One must understand the concept of DAWA, to see why.
    Dawa is an Islamic form of preaching plus intimidating plus bribery to cause others to ”revert to Islam*.”
    In prison Muslims can offer better foods, more down time, better work choices, and most importantly, a place in ”paradise” later on.
    Outside of prison their Dawa has to compete with the real world.
    So, look at the stats.
    Over 30% of some European prison populations are Muslim.
    In some countries it is over 50%.
    Yet France has the highest % of Muslims at a mere 10% of their population!

    In the USA it was rare that a real loser would want to be kept behind bars.
    Obama sure is working on changing that.
    An unintended consequence, or what?
    In the USA Islamic prison Dawa is reverting lots of people to Islam!

    *REvert back to Islam as opposed to CONvert into Islam because the Koran teaches that ALL humans from Adam to Jesus to you and me are BORN Muslim.
    We just ”stray.”

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  2. Wordsmith says: 2

    Nan,

    why is it that in so many comments I come across of yours, it seems like you filter the post’s topic through the lens of Islam-examination? As another academic opportunity to talk about Islam and Muslims?

    Just curious.

    Brother Bob,

    Creative as usual.

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  3. Rides A Pale Horse says: 3

    This IS the most important election of our lifetime so VOTE and convince all those you can to vote RIGHT.

    http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/RAPH6969/85.jpg

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  4. Nan G says: 4

    @Wordsmith:
    After 9-11-01 I took two semesters of Arabic.
    The teacher was an imam.
    He wasted no time in using his classroom time with us all to practice Dawa.
    He hoped to gain one or more converts per semester.
    Watching that, I came to realize we were being much more propagandized than taught Arabic……which I actually wanted to learn.
    I eventually realized I’d have to learn it on my own.
    Many of the teacher’s favorite examples were about his experience convincing non-Muslin prisoners to ”revert.”
    Over the years I have come to see that most Americans are getting a sanitized version of Islam.
    If and when I get a chance to express what they brag they really are up to, I take it.
    Most of the Muslims I have met informally seem to be like ”Jack-Mormons,” in that they pick & choose what they want to follow in Islam.
    Some drink alcohol.
    Others eat pork.
    Some ignore Ramadan’s daytime ”fast.”
    One thing they have in common: they HIDE these facts from their fellow Muslims out of fear.
    Even they can’t tell which of their fellow religionists are the extremists and which ones they could (co-ed) party with.

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  5. Nan G.
    any thing you choose to comment here is interesting,
    of course WORDSMITH DO NOT LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT MUSLIMS, BUT THEY ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO MINGLE WITH THEM OR IGNORE THEM, OR MISTRUST THEM, WE HAVE MILITARY BEING SHOT IN THE BACK BY MUSLIMS AND IT INCREASE AS TIME GO BY,
    I FOR ONE ALWAYS BEING REMINDED OF THAT WHEN I SEE THOSE CLOTHES THEY WEAR AS IF THEY WHERE STILL IN THEIR COUNTRY,
    THANK’S FOR GIVING THE INFO, MOST OF US APPRECIATE IT,
    WORDSMITH WE TAKE THEM AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE US, OR IGNORE THEM OR US,
    BEST TO YOU

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  6. Brother Bob says: 6

    @Wordsmith – Many thanks!

    @Nan G: I think that what Wordsmith was saying is that your comments on Islam are off-topic from the posts at hand. Not that your comments are uninteresting – personally I’d be interested to hear more about the classes you took – maybe we can get a separate post from you on the subject?

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  7. Brother Bob
    thank’s for a good POST, VERY CREATIVE,

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  8. Ride A Pale Horse
    very nice as usual and such details and color, check the post; THE EMPTY CHAIR,
    IT’S made to measure for your talent,
    see you there, bye

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  9. Nan G says: 9

    @Brother Bob:
    The original post was about why people would want to stay in prison.
    Sure, economics is a factor.
    But so is Islam.
    Here’s something from 2003:
    United State Senate, Committee on the Judiciary , Testimony of Dr. J. Michael Waller October 12, 2003,
    State, federal and local prisons of the United States may be a contributor to the growth of Islam in the country.
    J. Michael Waller testified that Muslim inmates comprise 17-20% of the prison population in New York, or roughly 350,000 inmates in 2003.
    He also testified that 80% of the prisoners who “find faith” while in prison convert to Islam.

    Here are a few prison converts who listened to someone’s Dawa and went along……

    José Padilla – convicted of aiding terrorists in the “Dirty Bomb” plot – converted to Islam while serving time in prison.
    So did Kevin James – ringleader of the 2005 Los Angeles bomb plot.
    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/31/state/n143135D24.DTL
    http://www.webcitation.org/5hQ14xmdq
    Remember the 2009 Bronx terrorism plot?
    James Cromitie, its ringleader and his co-horts, Onta Williams, David Williams, all converted to Islam while in prison.

    Dawa is all that Muslims do in prison.
    They believe they will go to paradise for doing it.
    And having us all pay their way while they do it is icing on their cake.

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  10. Nan G.
    yes it sure fit the POST,
    YOU ALWAYS KEEP WITH THE POST.
    I stay away at times but not you,

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  11. Rides A Pale Horse says: 11

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    Thanks Bees! I took your suggestion and posted my latest on the “Empty Chair” thread.

    (A tip of the hat to you!!)

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  12. Brother Bob says: 12

    @Nan: Ultimately you can tie any subject back to Islam, but that doesn’t make it any less off topic =8^)

    That said, I’d still love to hear your class experiences – have you already submitted a guest post with your story?

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  13. Ride A Pale Horse
    yes and it’s super
    thank you for coming,
    best to you

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  14. Nan G.
    did you see the full moon?
    some are much influence on the full moon,
    things happen, which otherwise would not,
    that’s why the prisons are full,
    bye

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  15. liberal1(objectivity) says: 15

    The answer to your question is simple, “We support of Obama because to support Romney would mean a return to Bush—just look at the advisers he surrounds himself with”.

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  16. Wordsmith says: 16

    @Nan G #4: That’s a reasonable personal perspective and experience regarding Islam; but it still begs the question, what does it have to do with the topic of this post?

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  17. Wordsmith says: 17

    @ilovebeeswarzone #5:

    of course WORDSMITH DO NOT LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT MUSLIMS,

    Of course I like to hear about Muslims! What on earth are you talking about? ;)

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  18. Wordsmith says: 18

    I guess I should have read all the comments first before responding.

    @Brother Bob:

    @Nan G: I think that what Wordsmith was saying is that your comments on Islam are off-topic from the posts at hand. Not that your comments are uninteresting

    Yup.

    @Nan G #9:

    The original post was about why people would want to stay in prison.

    My reading of the original post interpreted “prison” to be metaphorical as it relates to economic freedom. I don’t see “Islam” in any of the post’s tags.

    @Brother Bob #12:

    @Nan: Ultimately you can tie any subject back to Islam, but that doesn’t make it any less off topic =8^)

    ;)

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