It’s ironic how events pry open the door to the truth.
A few days ago Barack Obama said it was a “local matter.”
” Our thoughts and prayers go out to Trayvon Martin’s family, but obviously we’re not going to wade into a local law enforcement matter,” Carney said. “I would refer you to the Justice Department and to local law enforcement at this point.”
Sensing the media tsunami building, Barack Obama decided to hang ten:
“If I had a son he would have looked like Treyvon,” Obama said shortly, addressing the victim’s parents. “I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness that this deserves and that we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”
Earlier this month a 13 year old white boy was attacked and set on fire by several black youths.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A 13-year-old Kansas City boy is back home after two teenagers poured gasoline on him and lit him on fire.
It happened Tuesday at the teen’s home on Quincy Avenue, just down the street from Kansas City’s East High School. The boy lives less than two blocks away from the school and was walking home when the attack happened.
Melissa Coon said her son turned from the school’s stadium onto Quincy Avenue and noticed two teenagers following him. She said the teens followed her son home and attacked him outside his front door.
“And they rushed him on the porch as he tried to get the door open,” she said. “(One of them) poured the gasoline, then flicked the Bic, and said, ‘This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy’.”
Barack Obama had nothing to say about that attack.
What happened to Trayvon Martin is a terrible thing and exactly what happened needs to be investigated and justice must follow. But one has to presume that the white boy in Kansas City did not look enough like Barack Obama for the President to weigh in on that atrocity. Or do certain kinds of crimes matter more to Obama than do others? A pattern is emerging. When Henry Gates was arrested Obama declared that the white cop “acted stupidly” without the benefit of any facts. Obama’s Attorney General refers to “my people” instead of “us.” A certain Black Panther voter intimidation conviction is mysteriously dropped. Obama said this incident needs “soul searching” but the Kansas City attack apparently does not.
Someone can explain it to me. I find this disgraceful.
@drjohn:
Dood…. Zimmerman claims that the altercation STARTED with a punch in the nose. Now, did he lie down on the ground to get punched? Uh…I doubt that very much.
No, the more realistic sequence of events would be that he was punched and then the encounter moved to body to body contact ending up with the two of them struggling with one another on the ground. There are witness accounts which put Zimmerman on top of Martin and others which put Martin on top of Zimmerman. So, what we know for sure is that this encounter, this fight, went on as anyone would expect a fight to go on with a constant flurry of motion and each party gaining/relinquishing the upper hand.
It is inarguable that in the initial sequence of the struggle blood would have been running down his skin and dripping on his clothing. Having followed his skin down his neck, that blood would have ended up on his shirt.
Furthermore as the struggle continued, and while Zimmerman was on his back with his nose bleeding, the blood would be running not only all over his face but also down the back of his throat.
If that were him we hear screaming on the 911 call then the blood from his nose would have been propelled and sprayed forward out of his mouth as he screamed and struggled to catch his breath while fighting for his life.
It is inevitable that the blood would have made its way all over his clothing, including that light colored shirt that is most conspicuously clean.
Yes, the reports are very clear up to, and including a police officer and lead homicide investigator who both wanted Zimmerman charged.
The wound you claim to be visible? No, not so much.
Those, sir, are the facts.
I don’t believe that I have argued “grass stains” have I? I don’t think so although with the volumes of stuff I’ve typed on this topic perhaps I goofed and typed the word “stains” based on press stories rather than the original police report.
I do know for sure, however, that I haven’t argued that point at all in regard to this video tape so having you bring it up as a rebuttal is more than a bit of a straw man don’t you think?
What offer would that be?
@Aye:
Yes it started with a punch and it knocked Zimmerman down.
@Aye:
Love to see them.
Which you could not possibly see from that distance on those clothes with those colors.
Aye, I just saw on another site a possible wound to the back of Zimmerman’s head from the video some are hailing as proof Zimmerman is lying or wasn’t injured.
@Hard Right:
Right here, HR
http://floppingaces.net/2012/03/29/trayvons-girfriend-exonerates-zimmerman-reader-post/
I saw it on another site before I saw the post here. Ooops.
@Aye: idiot, the blood doesnt GUSH out immediately when you get punched
@Aye: yes, basic first aid was given at the site, you care to try again
moron
btw, isnt “first aid” medical attention?
i never said he went to the hospital or saw a doctor
@DiveCon:
Oh. Okay. I could have sworn it was you who said:
You should really scroll up and see what you said before you start calling people names.
Of course, insults seem to be pretty much the depth and breadth of your arguments.
@drjohn:
Okay, okay… you’re just being silly now. For the sake of argument though, here are a few questions for you:
1) What color is blood when it first leaves a cut and makes contact with the air? That’s right. It’s bright red.
2) What color does blood turn as it begins to dry out? That’s right. It turns a really dark red, specifically crimson.
3) Now, what color is the t-shirt Zimmerman is wearing? Yes, you’re right. It’s light grey.
4) Now, if there were dark red dried, or half dried, blood on that shirt don’t you think that it would be clearly and most conspicuously visible considering that it’s a very light shade of grey? Most definitely, and without a doubt. In a video clip from that distance it would appear darker, more of a black color. It would be undeniably obvious nonetheless.
5) What color is the jacket that Zimmerman is wearing? That’s right. It’s red with black shoulders and trim.
6) Is the shade of red in that jacket lighter or darker than dried, or drying, blood? Correct again. The jacket is lighter. Any dried, or drying, blood on the red portion of that jacket would be clearly and undeniably visible.
7) If Zimmerman’s clothing had all this blood on it then why are the police officers touching his clothing with no gloves?
Finally, and perhaps most important:
8 ) Do any of the police department reports that night indicate that Zimmerman’s clothing was stained with blood? No, they don’t. The officers took the time to note that he had blood on his skin but there’s not a thing there about bloody clothing.
@Aye:
You argue that Zimmerman had to have lost half his blood volume. Not me.
Fire and Rescue arrived before 7:30 and almost certainly cleaned him up. Like I said, Aye, I know a lot about blood and injuries.
@drjohn:
That’s another blatant straw man argument doc. Why do you need to stretch and exaggerate and misrepresent what I’ve said?
Oh, I know why. It’s because there simply is no visible blood on his clothing to support his version of events. I know that drives you crazy but, sometimes, the truth takes you to a place you might not want to be.
The first aid process would not involve “clean[ing] him up.” It would simply involve stopping his bleeding and addresses his most immediate medical needs.
As do I sir. Surely you don’t want to dispute which of us “knows” what when it comes to blood and injuries do you?
@Aye: hey dumbass, first aid is medical help
maybe you should contact the red cross and take a first aid class to find out
and you sure have thrown around numerous insults, but you dont like it when you get them back
grow up
@DiveCon:
Never said it wasn’t. Perhaps you should go back and read what I said.
Did that years ago, but thanks for the advice.
Hmmm… have I insulted you? Didn’t think so.
My general rule is to never hurl the first insult. Thanks for making it clear you’re not interested in a civil conversation though.
It’s always good to know the ground rules.
@Aye: oh, so i have to be directly insulted for it to be you insulting people?
give me a break
i give you what you deserve
@Aye:
No. All I will say is that the “dr” part is for real.
@DrJohn:
Come on now doc. We both know your specialty.
Furthermore, we both know that it’s not directly related to the Zimmerman matter as we’ve been discussing it.
Aye I’ve asked Dr. J his profession after he asked and received mine, Cricketts
Lead homicide investigator wanted to file manslaughter charge.
@Aye: I’m not sure if you have revised or reversed your position INRE Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries, but you said:
In light of the fact that so many comments were made to this thread, in may well be that your opinion of Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries has changed, if so, disregard this post.
I think that the MSM’s actions in this case were deplorable. I also think that folks on both sides of the issue jumped to conclusions and the tit-for-tat and arguing ad nauseum on this just soured me on the whole thing. I am not accusing anyone, nor am I making a judgement. I simply posted this to show how deceitful and untruthful the media were about this case.
@Aye:
I guess that now we know who knows better.
AYE
hi,
I might have the answer of no blood on his red and black jacket,
I saw a picture taken right after, where he had the blood on his head with a black TSHIRT,
SO, IT MADE ME THINK OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT NO TRACES OF BLOOD.
AND ANOTHER FACT ALSO IS THAT HE WAS LAYING DOWN SO NO BLOOD
COULD LEAK DOWN, ON HIS CLOTHES,