372 Responses to It seems that Obama cares only about those who look like him [Reader Post]

  1. Aye says: 351

    @drjohn:

    If you get punched and you’re on your back, the blood runs down the side of your face.

    Dood…. Zimmerman claims that the altercation STARTED with a punch in the nose. Now, did he lie down on the ground to get punched? Uh…I doubt that very much.

    No, the more realistic sequence of events would be that he was punched and then the encounter moved to body to body contact ending up with the two of them struggling with one another on the ground. There are witness accounts which put Zimmerman on top of Martin and others which put Martin on top of Zimmerman. So, what we know for sure is that this encounter, this fight, went on as anyone would expect a fight to go on with a constant flurry of motion and each party gaining/relinquishing the upper hand.

    It is inarguable that in the initial sequence of the struggle blood would have been running down his skin and dripping on his clothing. Having followed his skin down his neck, that blood would have ended up on his shirt.

    Furthermore as the struggle continued, and while Zimmerman was on his back with his nose bleeding, the blood would be running not only all over his face but also down the back of his throat.

    If that were him we hear screaming on the 911 call then the blood from his nose would have been propelled and sprayed forward out of his mouth as he screamed and struggled to catch his breath while fighting for his life.

    It is inevitable that the blood would have made its way all over his clothing, including that light colored shirt that is most conspicuously clean.

    You claim to like dealing in facts. The police report is clear. The wound is visible.

    Yes, the reports are very clear up to, and including a police officer and lead homicide investigator who both wanted Zimmerman charged.

    The wound you claim to be visible? No, not so much.

    Those, sir, are the facts.

    The report says grass on his back, not grass stains.

    I don’t believe that I have argued “grass stains” have I? I don’t think so although with the volumes of stuff I’ve typed on this topic perhaps I goofed and typed the word “stains” based on press stories rather than the original police report.

    I do know for sure, however, that I haven’t argued that point at all in regard to this video tape so having you bring it up as a rebuttal is more than a bit of a straw man don’t you think?

    And my offer is on the table.

    What offer would that be?

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  2. drjohn says: 352

    @Aye:

    Dood…. Zimmerman claims that the altercation STARTED with a punch in the nose. Now, did he lie down on the ground to get punched? Uh…I doubt that very much.

    Yes it started with a punch and it knocked Zimmerman down.

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  3. drjohn says: 353

    @Aye:

    There are witness accounts which put Zimmerman on top of Martin and others which put Martin on top of Zimmerman.

    Love to see them.

    It is inarguable that in the initial sequence of the struggle blood would have been running down his skin and dripping on his clothing. Having followed his skin down his neck, that blood would have ended up on his shirt.

    Which you could not possibly see from that distance on those clothes with those colors.

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  4. Hard Right says: 354

    Aye, I just saw on another site a possible wound to the back of Zimmerman’s head from the video some are hailing as proof Zimmerman is lying or wasn’t injured.

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  5. Hard Right says: 356

    I saw it on another site before I saw the post here. Ooops.

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  6. DiveCon says: 357

    @Aye: idiot, the blood doesnt GUSH out immediately when you get punched

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  7. DiveCon says: 358

    @Aye: yes, basic first aid was given at the site, you care to try again
    moron

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  8. DiveCon says: 359

    btw, isnt “first aid” medical attention?
    i never said he went to the hospital or saw a doctor

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  9. Aye says: 360

    @DiveCon:

    i never said he went to the hospital or saw a doctor

    Oh. Okay. I could have sworn it was you who said:

    that was AFTER he had been to medical help

    You should really scroll up and see what you said before you start calling people names.

    Of course, insults seem to be pretty much the depth and breadth of your arguments.

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  10. Aye says: 361

    @drjohn:

    Which you could not possibly see from that distance on those clothes with those colors.

    Okay, okay… you’re just being silly now. For the sake of argument though, here are a few questions for you:

    1) What color is blood when it first leaves a cut and makes contact with the air? That’s right. It’s bright red.

    2) What color does blood turn as it begins to dry out? That’s right. It turns a really dark red, specifically crimson.

    3) Now, what color is the t-shirt Zimmerman is wearing? Yes, you’re right. It’s light grey.

    4) Now, if there were dark red dried, or half dried, blood on that shirt don’t you think that it would be clearly and most conspicuously visible considering that it’s a very light shade of grey? Most definitely, and without a doubt. In a video clip from that distance it would appear darker, more of a black color. It would be undeniably obvious nonetheless.

    5) What color is the jacket that Zimmerman is wearing? That’s right. It’s red with black shoulders and trim.

    6) Is the shade of red in that jacket lighter or darker than dried, or drying, blood? Correct again. The jacket is lighter. Any dried, or drying, blood on the red portion of that jacket would be clearly and undeniably visible.

    7) If Zimmerman’s clothing had all this blood on it then why are the police officers touching his clothing with no gloves?

    Finally, and perhaps most important:

    8 ) Do any of the police department reports that night indicate that Zimmerman’s clothing was stained with blood? No, they don’t. The officers took the time to note that he had blood on his skin but there’s not a thing there about bloody clothing.

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  11. drjohn says: 362

    @Aye:

    You argue that Zimmerman had to have lost half his blood volume. Not me.

    Fire and Rescue arrived before 7:30 and almost certainly cleaned him up. Like I said, Aye, I know a lot about blood and injuries.

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  12. Aye says: 363

    @drjohn:

    You argue that Zimmerman had to have lost half his blood volume. Not me.

    That’s another blatant straw man argument doc. Why do you need to stretch and exaggerate and misrepresent what I’ve said?

    Oh, I know why. It’s because there simply is no visible blood on his clothing to support his version of events. I know that drives you crazy but, sometimes, the truth takes you to a place you might not want to be.

    Fire and Rescue arrived before 7:30 and almost certainly cleaned him up.

    The first aid process would not involve “clean[ing] him up.” It would simply involve stopping his bleeding and addresses his most immediate medical needs.

    Like I said, Aye, I know a lot about blood and injuries.

    As do I sir. Surely you don’t want to dispute which of us “knows” what when it comes to blood and injuries do you?

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  13. DiveCon says: 364

    @Aye: hey dumbass, first aid is medical help
    maybe you should contact the red cross and take a first aid class to find out

    and you sure have thrown around numerous insults, but you dont like it when you get them back
    grow up

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  14. Aye says: 365

    @DiveCon:

    hey dumbass, first aid is medical help

    Never said it wasn’t. Perhaps you should go back and read what I said.

    maybe you should contact the red cross and take a first aid class to find out

    Did that years ago, but thanks for the advice.

    and you sure have thrown around numerous insults, but you dont like it when you get them back

    Hmmm… have I insulted you? Didn’t think so.

    My general rule is to never hurl the first insult. Thanks for making it clear you’re not interested in a civil conversation though.

    It’s always good to know the ground rules.

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  15. DiveCon says: 366

    @Aye: oh, so i have to be directly insulted for it to be you insulting people?
    give me a break
    i give you what you deserve

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  16. DrJohn says: 367

    @Aye:

    As do I sir. Surely you don’t want to dispute which of us “knows” what when it comes to blood and injuries do you?

    No. All I will say is that the “dr” part is for real.

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  17. Aye says: 368

    @DrJohn:

    All I will say is that the “dr” part is for real.

    Come on now doc. We both know your specialty.

    Furthermore, we both know that it’s not directly related to the Zimmerman matter as we’ve been discussing it.

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  18. Richard Wheeler says: 369

    Aye I’ve asked Dr. J his profession after he asked and received mine, Cricketts
    Lead homicide investigator wanted to file manslaughter charge.

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  19. @Aye: I’m not sure if you have revised or reversed your position INRE Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries, but you said:

    Now, as you watched it did you notice anything odd?

    That’s right. There’s not a drop of blood on him anywhere. His nose is not swollen or bloody which it would be if it had been broken

    His shirt is clean on the front side and is still neatly tucked in. On the back of his head there are no apparent injuries. No blood on his scalp which is plainly visible.

    It appears that Mr. Zimmerman has a big problem.

    In light of the fact that so many comments were made to this thread, in may well be that your opinion of Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries has changed, if so, disregard this post.

    A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a “closed fracture” of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation. – Source

    I think that the MSM’s actions in this case were deplorable. I also think that folks on both sides of the issue jumped to conclusions and the tit-for-tat and arguing ad nauseum on this just soured me on the whole thing. I am not accusing anyone, nor am I making a judgement. I simply posted this to show how deceitful and untruthful the media were about this case.

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  20. drjohn says: 371

    @Aye:

    As do I sir. Surely you don�t want to dispute which of us �knows� what when it comes to blood and injuries do you?

    I guess that now we know who knows better.

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  21. AYE
    hi,
    I might have the answer of no blood on his red and black jacket,
    I saw a picture taken right after, where he had the blood on his head with a black TSHIRT,
    SO, IT MADE ME THINK OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT NO TRACES OF BLOOD.
    AND ANOTHER FACT ALSO IS THAT HE WAS LAYING DOWN SO NO BLOOD
    COULD LEAK DOWN, ON HIS CLOTHES,

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