Harry Reid’s Picks For The ‘Super-Committee’ Are In….Politics As Usual

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Evidence that this country is on its way to the trash bin of history ala Rome:

In the first of what will be a closely watched selection process for a powerful new deficit panel, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced he will appoint Democratic Sens. Patty Murray (Wash.), Max Baucus (Mont.) and John Kerry (Mass.) as his three choices for a super committee charged with finding more than $1 trillion in spending cuts by the end of this year.

Murray will serve as co-chair of the 12-member panel. Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) will select her co-chair and two other panelists, as required by the next debt limit agreement signed into law by President Barack Obama last week. Minority Leaders Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell will each select three additional members.

John friggin Kerry!

That same man who told the media to stop covering the Tea Party and then wrongly placed the blame for the debt ceiling crisis at the feet of that same movement.

And Murray? Even NPR calls this right:

By choosing Murray, who chairs the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee that will be trying to defend the 23 Senate seats currently held by Democrats, Reid ensures that whatever recommendation his people agree to will be deeply informed by the Democrats’ desire to hold onto their slim majority.

Baucus is the token centrist thrown in by Reid:

He comes from a red state, he’s an institution in the Senate, and he’s not up for reelection until 2014. He’s as insulated from a tough vote as one can be. He’s also, as noted in the quote, chairman of the Finance Committee, so if he blessed a deal, that would give it added credibility in the Senate. And he’s been reasonably good on taxes, so he might side with Republicans on tax reform. The bad news? He duly wet himself over Paul Ryan’s budget and he’s earned some fans at AARP for supporting “doctor fix,” which contributes mightily to Medicare continuously running over budget. He’s probably not signing off on any serious entitlement reform, in other words, although if the GOP can come up with some revenues via tax reform, that might encourage him to join them in a modest first step.

But he won’t accomplish anything because the Murray pick has ensured this committee will be nothing but politics 24-7, further ensuring that nothing will get done. But wait! Then those supposed spending cut triggers should kick in….right?

Wrong:

…As part of the debt-ceiling law President Barack Obama signed on Aug. 2, the trigger will be activated if the panel of 12 lawmakers can’t agree on at least $1.2 trillion in savings by Nov. 23 or if Congress rejects a plan they propose. All five ex- CBO chiefs said there are ways for Congress to circumvent the trigger, which wouldn’t go into effect until 2013.

“Even if it fires, the question is ‘how many of the bullets actually hit your body,’” said Peter Orszag, a onetime director of the nonpartisan CBO, which reviews congressional legislation and budgets.

…While the cuts are supposed to be automatic, Congress can delay or override them if they prove too painful — defense spending would be reduced by 9.1 percent over a decade while non-defense programs would be cut 7.9 percent. That’s what lawmakers did with the 1985 Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Balanced Budget Act, the template for the trigger.

The trigger mechanism also won’t include the entitlement-benefit cuts that rankle Democrats or call for tax increases reviled by Republicans, both of which may be necessary to pose a credible threat of mutual pain on the two parties that would motivate the super committee to reach a compromise.

…The former budget officials say there are various options for lessening the trigger’s impact, particularly since there would be a year-long period before it kicks in. “If they want to finesse it, it’s not hard,” said Rivlin.

The automatic cuts would be spread equally over the remaining nine-year window of the legislation, based on a formula drawn up by the White House Office of Management and Budget. Congress and its committees would then have to hit those spending targets through the annual appropriations process, which allocates federal dollars to specific programs.

Congress could delay some of the most politically unpopular cuts, such as reductions in reimbursement rates to health-care providers under Medicare, until the final years of the law, the ex-budget directors said.

Lawmakers could also designate new federal spending as “emergency” funding that falls outside the caps. While the new law narrowly defines such spending, it’s the same language from previous budget-restraint agreements, said Orszag, who directed CBO from 2007 to 2009, and is now a vice chairman of Citigroup Inc. (C) and a contributor to Bloomberg View.

“It was just ignored,” he said. “You can always get Orwellian and call anything an unanticipated event.”

Marron, who now heads the Urban Institute’s Tax Policy Center in Washington, cited spending on the 2000 Census, which Congress designated as an emergency. “You have this classic arms race issue, and people become more and more creative about identifying things as emergencies,” he said.

Finally, lawmakers have no way of preventing future Congresses from overturning the cutbacks, which was the case with the 1985 agreement. In the five years the Gramm Rudman law was in effect, the triggers were activated twice — one of which was reduced by Congress and the other overridden by a subsequent budget agreement.

And we’re back to square one and the continuing demise of this once great Republic.

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Matt Patterson of the Washington Times would put this together along with the rash of metal thefts and violent ”flash mobs,” plus the buckling of Obama over testing of students after the revelation of massive teacher cheating.
His conclusion when all of this is seen together is this:

It all amounts to a crisis of legitimacy: Trust in our once-respected institutions is vanishing as fast as copper wires and air conditioners. We had better get busy building new institutions before the old ones collapse from the weight of their own bloated corpulence – and take our entire civilization with it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/9/drudge-reveals-the-metal-crisis/

This whole Super committee idiocy is more of kicking the can down the road and passing the buck. Indecision is paralyzing.

From Germany to Beijing, to Washington, the world is looking to the White House for LEADERSHIP – as it has done for generations. It is finally noticing that this President can’t deliver. He can’t deliver on any front. If there ever was a time for Obama to stand up, without a TelePrompTer, that time just passed. All he could do was pass out formalized platitudes and phrases he didn’t understand about balance and jobs and deficits – and nothing. Nadda!

If this “super-committee” does not come out with an agreement that actually cuts spending (not Harry Reid’s smoke and mirror type cuts,) below $4-trillion, then we can be assured that Moodys and Fitch will join S & P in downgrading the US credit rating.

What a joke..Kerry can’t even pay his taxes on his yaucht never mind taking care of the US…..The richest man in the Senate what the hell does he know half the time he’s not even doing his job he’s off vacationing. I live in MA and he is pathetic. They are all getting rewarded for being Obamas spokesmen………….

They may be half wits, but they are loyal half wits. No one in business is blind to this posturing and silliness; be ready for continued downgrades and economic turmoil throughout the world, the Obama parade is still marching into oblivion. Canned speeches and meaningless platitudes are no longer impressing anyone with a measure of intelligence. The liquified manure is about to hit the fan and Obama is still posing and entertaining rock stars.

And holding Iftar dinners – for our mortal enemies

We will know that there is hope for America when Obama’s poll results drop bellow 40%.

If his support had remained in the mid 40s to 50%, . . . . well, close the doors.

Republicans tapped to be on the committee:

House Speaker John Boehner said he’s tapped House Republican Conference Chairman Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, to serve as co-chair of the committee.
He’s also appointing House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., to the committee,
as well as House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said he’s appointing
Sens. Jon Kyl, Ariz.,
Pat Toomey, Pa., and
Rob Portman, Ohio.

According to Paul Ryan, he specifically asked Boehner to leave him off of the super committee.

All except for Fred Upton are known as fiscal conservatives.
And even Fred Upton has done yeoman’s work against EPA regulators.

Has Nancy Pelosi chosen her three House Democrats yet?

Republicans Just Guaranteed Stock Market Will Crash in November

Maybe we should feel better because someone thinks the crash won’t come before then.

On the other hand, maybe it’s vitally important that we crash the stock market and bring on an economic collapse leading into a full-blown national depression ASAP. Otherwise, we could be looking at difficult Social Security and Medicare funding issues a decade or so down the road.

Yeah Greg, the continuing uncertainty over a massive tax increase in 2013, as well as the real-time implosion of the European “social democracy” economic model, 2/3 of our own government wanting to remake the US on the same model, and massive unfunded liabilities that can’t possibly be paid by hammering working professionals and small business with income taxes have nothing to do with the stock market tanking. It’s probably George Bush’s fault, right?

I don’t really see Baucus as a centrist. I mean this is what he had to say about Obama:

“It’s so wonderful to hear him speak. It’s like listening to a symphony. It’s like it was a great meal. He’s so good. . . “

Doesn’t look like he would do anything to displease the Anointed One.

The people that are picked for this “super committee” are revealing exactly how serious the two parties are about cutting spending.

Wait, did I just say that? What I meant was, the “deal” itself revealed exactly how serious the two parties are about cutting spending.

Anyone else find it amusing that the resident liberals here find it necessary to defend the actions of every liberal out there, while conservatives here have no qualms about laying blame at the Republicans’ feet.

The following is simply offered as an interesting observation, wide-open for interpretation.

Gallup Poll 2012 Presidential poll:

Obama versus “Generic” GOP opponent:

Mid-June 2011: Republican 44% Obama 39%
Mid-July 2011: Republican 47% Obama 39%
Mid-August 2011: Obama 45% Republican 39%

Now, this was after the vituperative battle over the debt ceiling. What’s interesting is that the President’s job approval ratings have gone down hill, even as his standing vis a vis a GOP challenger have rather markedly improved.

What I think is going on is this: Obama’s approval ratings are tanking not because Republicans dislike him more than they already did or because independents dislike him more than they already did, but because Democrats are now generally furious with him. This is reflected in all manner of liberal op-eds expressing general disillusionment.

But the country as a whole was nauseated by what went on with the hyper-partisan bickering and refusal to compromise. A segment of the electorate (probably some independents) seems to be buying Obama’s Clintonian triangulation, meaning Obama’s big lean to the middle ground.

Brings to mind a famous Monty Python piece.

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

@john (#13):

Anyone else find it amusing that the resident liberals here find it necessary to defend the actions of every liberal out there, while conservatives here have no qualms about laying blame at the Republicans’ feet.

It’s not a fair comment. This is a conservative blog. The few “resident liberals” are presumably here because they like to debate. Otherwise, they’d be on a liberal blog, discussing politics with like minded kindred souls. If you go to liberal blogs, you’ll find lots of criticism of liberal politicians. Usually, because they aren’t standing up for liberal principles. You guys aren’t criticizing conservative politicians for being unwilling to compromise. You are criticizing conservative polticians for not standing up for conservative principles. When you go to liberal blogs which have “resident conservatives,” you don’t find said resident conservatives criticizing conservatives, but, rather, defending them.

It’s sort of like members of a family, who criticize each other among themselves, but who defend the family to outsiders.

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

@openid.aol.com/runnswim:

Point taken. On the other hand, I admit when I’m wrong about something, as you know very well. Certain posters here could be hit upside the head with the truth and still be adamant about their position.

@Larry

You guys aren’t criticizing conservative politicians for being unwilling to compromise.

Democrats claim that Republicans have been against compromising, which is simply not correct, while at the same time Democrats simply refused to allow bipartisan bills to the floor because they wanted the compromise balance to be set just “right” of their own position. In other words, Democrats have been just as uncompromising as their Republican counterparts. To be more specific some of us are criticizing Republicans in general for poor or a lack of bargaining skills. Truth to be told, very often in Congress a compromise agreement makes for terrible or ineffective legislation that fails to solve the very problems that need to be addressed, and sometimes the whole purpose of “seeking compromise” is to evade solving the problems. I find it quite hypocritical for Democrats to be lecturing Republicans on “compromise” when for two years they locked the doors and refused to allow any Republican input whatsoever. (Obama – “We won” ) An what is worse, Democrats called for votes on bills that nobody read. (Nancy Pelosi – “You have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.”)

@openid.aol.com/runnswim:

You guys aren’t criticizing conservative politicians for being unwilling to compromise. You are criticizing conservative polticians for not standing up for conservative principles.

Yes, Larry, that is true. However, there is no compromise necessary to determine that the government is spending too much. But you want everyone to believe that it’s a combination of both spending too much, and not taking in enough revenue. I’ve already explained to you, numerous times, along with sources, that even a return to Clinton era tax rates would only net the government, on average, around $340 Billion a year. This is with deficits that are well north of $1 Trillion. Those tax hikes, which is not the same tax hikes as Obama and the Dems want, won’t even get the government close to halfway in addressing the deficits. And every time a spending “cut” is/was discussed, they trotted out the tired old examples of kids and grandmas getting the shaft from the Republican party.

The liberal/progressives don’t even recognize that the issue IS the overspending of the government. You cannot compromise with people who are too obtuse to recognize the actual problem. A drop from $9.5 Trillion down to $7 Trillion in additional spending, above and beyond what the current annual spending amount is, for the next ten years is not addressing the problem.

If the issue was to have a true compromise, the liberal/progressives, OF BOTH PARTIES, would have to recognize that the starting point is the $3.8 Trillion spending from this year, with no future growth in that spending based on arbitrary ideas like the “baseline budgeting” scheme proposes.

Then, AND ONLY THEN, could there be a discussion of compromise between actual spending cuts and increasing taxes for revenue increases. The game now is shifted so far to the left that even with “cuts” in future spending increases, the board is still tilted to the left. And your answer, and the liberal/progressives in congress and the WH, is to increase taxes and tilt it back to the left again.

You start from a balanced playing field, Larry. That means NO spending increases at all. At that point, compromise can happen, but not before. And then, once the governments’ fiscal situation is more sound, spending increases can be discussed.

@Greg: o-bama is correct, poliltics is the problem when Democrats put such idiots on this committee. Keep drinking the Kool Aid and stick your head back in the sand.

I saw where John F. Kerry said that the Big Dig tunnel in Boston was going to be a bargain.
I hope that’s not the same kind of long-term thinking it through he’s going to apply to our budget problems.

When Kerry said that, the tunnel was expected to cost “only” $2.8 Billion (in 1982 dollars)/
So far it has cost $14.6 Billion ($8.8 Billion in 1982 dollars).

BUT that’s not the end of the costs.
(I’m skipping over the required upkeep, which all tunnels and bridges and roads require.)

This month a another HUGE sinkhole opened under part of the tunnel.
Fixing this one (just the latest) will cost $11.5 Million.
But even this won’t end the problem.
See, the tunnel was built on dirt that was frozen to keep it stable.
Now, as the years go by, the defrosted dirt erodes and creates one sinkhole after another.
Probably it will do this forever – or until we give up trying to keep the tunnel working.
So, a real bargain, Kerry.

@Nan G: Maybe they could use the bridge to nowhere to fix the tunnel to the bottom of the earth…