About the 5 minute mark. Listen to the whole thing, if you can stand it. Wisconsin voters actually put this lady into a leadership position….what an embarrassment:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jEyh_sXAuY[/youtube]
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Fugitive Wisconsin Democrat – “Republicans Destroying Democracy”…As She Hides From Vote
Mr. Irons, thank you for sharing your knowledge, We can more understand the reason ,why GOVERNER WALKER acted to meet his budget, in good faith, and was met by such display of abuses and careless behavior of the law of this beautifull SUPERPOWER which AMERICANS will RESTORE no matter
who and where the forces of destructions and abuses tryed and will try to hurt and demonise their good AMERICANS , those who have died for it’s FREEDOM, and those who are still fighting and hurting
spilling their blood so we all can enjoy life in this FREEDOM,
LET PEOPLE stop and recall why this CONSTITUTION has been written, and reflex on their actions which should be to go beyong their work, beyong their UNIONS affiliations, beyong their religious beleifs that it’s okay to want to change AMERICA by destroying it A DAY AT THE TIME,BEYONG POLITICIENS from all the steps of the ladder working to bring the world in AMERICA to diminish it’s GLORIOUS PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE,
LET”S THINK AMERICAN ; FOR GOD’S SAKE,
LOOK WHO BUILT THOSE TOWERS TO RESTORE AMERICA
THE UNIONS IRONS MEN, WE ARE PROUD OF THEM
@Mr. Irons, #103:
Public employees are subject to federal income taxes at the same rate as any public sector employee having the same wages. The statement that they “pay little to no taxes at Federal levels due to Government job connections” is flat out wrong.
The observation that public employees pay part of their own salaries would be accurate. They pay taxes and taxes are the source of their wages. That’s not true of public sector employees.
@Greg:
Federal government civilian employees are going to be a lot MORE subject to income taxes IF this law gets passed.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, introduced the bill Tuesday that would terminate the employment of federal employees who have a seriously delinquent tax debt.
Nearly 100,000 federal civilian employees owed $1 billion in unpaid federal income taxes in 2009, according to the IRS.
Imagine that times 50 states, all our Counties and city employees.
Nan G, if that 100,000 of civilian employees (not to be confused, like Greg, with “elected officials) is an accurate number, then it’s far superior to what the Washington Time reported about 2008 tax year.
They linked to a breakdown by department. The highest dept delinquency rate by dept belongs to the NATL CAPITAL PLANNING COMMISSION at 10.42%…. ain’t that a hoot.
The second highest dept in debt delinquency is the ADVISORY COUNCIL ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION at 9.62%.
The third and fourth highest dept in debt delinquency is the US Office of Special Counsel (8.65%) and the US Election Assistance Commission (8.51%). Fifth in line is the Federal Labor Relations Authority at 7.2%.
“Dishonorable” mentions… LOL… should go to the US COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS (7.14%), the FED MINE SAFETY & HEALTH REVIEW COMM (6.82%), and the GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE (6.51%)
Military, both active and retired, are also in the mix (“deadbeats”, according to Greg, of course…). However they are broken down by branch. Army, AF and Navy are all 3.01% or lower. Retired military are 3.79%.
The State Department has a 3.14%.
When considering just sheer numbers as opposed to percentage of the departments:
According to a Washington Times article last year, federal civilian employees were about 1.43 million in 2010. If the 2008 numbers of deliquency, quote in the story above, were used with the 2010 civilian employee numbers (which are high, including the temporary census workers), that would be 19.32% of all federal civilian workers – current and retired – that are Greg’s “deadbeat” taxpayers.
Taking into consideration that the estimated US work force is around 200 million, this leaves 198.57 million that are private sector approximate. To meet the 19.32% of delinquencies for federal workers (which doesn’t take into account state and local public sector not addressed here), 38.36 million US workers would have to be delinquent in taxes to match fed civilian employees to be equivalent “deadbeats”, according to Greg. THat would be an average owed to the IRS of almost $9000 per taxpayer to equal the delinquency rate of federal workers alone.
Ball’s in your court, Greg. Do your homework. Put up, or shut up.
BTW, here’s Coburn’s summary INRE delinquent taxes.
Nan G, hi, this is a shocking news, That is a big huge part of the money that should have been seriously
delt with as a priority bto recover that money, before taxing any other citizen,
dont those government agencys work for AMERICANS WHO ARE SELF SUPPORTING A BUSINESS AT THE SWEATH OF THEIR BALLS AND PAY THE TAX THAT OTHER UNIONNYSE EMPLOYEE DONT PAY,
SOMETHINGS NOT RIGHT THERE FOR SURE
@Nan G, #106:
I have no problem with this, so long as the same rule is applied to any elected officials who fail to pay their taxes. If such a bill is passed, the legislators had d-mn well better not exempt themselves.
It should be noted that non-compliance with tax laws is a much bigger problem in the private sector than the public sector. Federal employees are wage earners, subject to direct withholding of state and federal taxes from their pay checks. Uncle generally gets his cut before federal employees get theirs.
I suppose that does raise another question: Does it make more sense to fire someone for tax delinquency, or to let them keep on working and recover the unpaid taxes and any associated penalties by wage garnishment?
What… not going to reiterate your comment about these “deadbeat tax dodgers’ dishonesty”, Greg? Or don’t you consider them deadbeats because they are government workers?
Then you say:
Again you demonstrate you learn nothing, and parrot the same ol, same ol. As I pointed out to you in the other “deadbeat taxpayer” discussion, the highest percentage of errors is not reported income, which is the “cut before federal employees get theirs” you mention, but additional business income. This can be from anything like real estate assets, market portfolios, etc. Are you suggesting that government workers do not have these business incomes to report…erroneously or not?
As far as your non-compliance claim. What an absurd statement. That’s like saying the American caucasian has a higher percentage of something than the American Asian population. There are greater numbers of private sector workers (at least for now) than there are public sector workers, so that’s a no brainer. So comparing numbers between the two would need to be a percentile of public employees vs private employees that are in non compliance.
My suggestion is if you wish to make such an unbelievably stupid remark, you provide us with the links to the data that shows the percentage of public workers (as a % of the total number of public sector employees) in tax noncompliance is less than the percentage of private sector workers (as a % of the total private sector workers) in tax noncompliance. To my knowledge, that breakdown does not exist. But a little detail like that doesn’t stop you from running off at the keyboard with absurd claims, does it?
@Greg:
No, Greg, we (or since I’m not working in it now) are NOT subject to the same rates of Income Tax. If you haven’t paid attention at all to the Percent of People who do and do NOT pay Income Taxes, Public Service Employees pay a decreased rate on a Federal Level for Local, State and Federal Employees. I do not know where the hell you get this idea from but I have worked as a Public Employee in my days as a College Student and is very well aware of the tax codes for State of Kansas and Federal Level I had to pay. I recieved decreased Income tax rate Federaly and recieved Wichita district incentives.
You’re living a pipe dream thinking Public Sector pays equal shares in taxes.
http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=100971,00.html
@MataHarley:
Excellent link, Mata.
It reminded me:
I posted a comment here (somewhere) by someone at another board (NRO, iirc) which redefined the two types of union workers as LABOR unions (which are almost all in the private sector and require a bargain between adversaries about how much work gets done for how much pay) versus LEISURE unions which include public sector workers like teachers and TSA and so forth.
Leisure unions do not bargain for how much work gets done for how much pay, but rather for how LITTLE work gets done for how much pay.
Leisure unions also buy their own bosses into office, thereby ”bargaining” with themselves.
@MataHarley, #109:
The $3 billion figure is the estimated total of federal employees’ tax arrearages–a $3 billion cummulative total.
The total estimated loss of federal revenue due to non-compliance with tax laws comes to $345 billion per year.
Obviously federal employees aren’t a very big part of the overall problem. They represenent only a tiny portion of it.
They just happen to be a very big target in the mind of republicans. Placing blame on federal employees figures large into their anti-government propaganda campaign.
Try again, Greg. We’re not talking about the amount of money owed, as that would entail individual assessment of back taxes by $ amount. We are talking about what percentage of the private work force is delinquent compared to what percentage of the public sector that is delinquent.
And you will also have to be reminded that ONLY the federal civilian work force is addressed in these figures. Not the state and local public sector. So these numbers are higher, unless 100% of every state and local public sector is *not* delinquent.
I repeat, 19.32%, or approx 38 million private sector employees would have to be delinquent to match what the federal ONLY public sector are in delinquency.
Unless you have data that proves that many of the private work force is delinquent, you’re simpy shooting off your keyboard mouth yet again. I repeat… either put up with facts, or shut up with your talking points based on zip, nada nothing.
Yo… bubba. “Republican” target? May I remind you it was YOU who called delinquent taxpayers “deadbeats”? Not us?
This one deserved it’s own little commentary… Greg sez:
So let me get this straight. You call delinquent taxpayers “deadbeats” and whine. Then when a GOP Senator introduces a bill that would call for firing those “deadbeats” on the taxpayer’s payroll who were delinquent, it’s ““placing blame on federal employees” as figuring into “their anti-government propaganda campaign” if they’re punished by losing their job??
You’re making me dizzy with your exorcist ‘tudes, Dude. Try a little consistency. You either want back taxes “from deadbeats” collected, or you don’t. Or, listening to you, it’s okay if those “deadbeats” are on the taxpayers payrolll because any discipline is part of an “anti-government propaganda campaign”.
Suffer from schizoid syndrome much?
@Mr. Irons, #110:
That’s what I know. I’m not clear what the linked page has to do with the matter. Perhaps it’s not the page that was intended.
@MataHarley, #115:
So, the percentage of employees who have any degree of tax arrearage is somehow of greater import than the total amount of money involved?
Sorry. To me that’s completely illogical. The total is what’s relevant.
@MataHarley, #118:
I would have no problem characterizing a public employee who knowingly dodges his or her lawful tax obligation as a deadbeat as well.
Greg, I think we’ve already got a clue that you characterize any delinquent taxpayers as “deadbeats”, as opposed to the IRS explanation of complexity of tax code being the problem. As I said, it’s ironic you want to make this a “Republican” style “anti-government propaganda campaign” when it’s actually you with such low opinions of taxpayers. What a laugh.
But of course it’s “irrelevant” to you. That’s because it interferes with your talking points you erroneously made above that statement… ah ahem, allow me to refresh your memory:
You suggest that it’s less a problem with private sector because federal employees have withheld taxes. Yet you stubbornly remain ignorant to the reality that it’s not income declarations, but the more complex additional business income that is the IRS problem… and due to the complexity of the IRS code as even they admit.
Now you want to talk amount of money instead of percentage of those “deadbeats”, as you call them. How convenient. 19.32% of federal employees ALONE are delinquent, according to the stats. That doesn’t include other public sector for state and local employees. So it’s definitely higher. Tell me, Greg… is it easier to go after 1 or 2% of taxpayers (those evil wealthiest of Americans), or 19.32% of taxpayers? Which costs more to execute investigations? Take a while… remove your shoes. We’ll wait.
Now, what percentage of the private sector taxpayers are the problem? And remember that your hero, Tim Geither, was responsible for $35K of that himself. You can’t pick and choose your math equations to suit your fancy. Are you telling us that more than 19.32% of private sector employees are your “deadbeats”? In which case, put up, or shut up, with facts and sources. Your distraction will not work here.
Hey Mata, Greg is persistant and I think he is wrong on most things. But he is a saint compared to the racist woman who was going off on dr johns thread.
I have a new found appreciation for him; thanks for not being racist greg!
Zac, I’m not a good enough “echo chamber” to go to drj’s threads. I’ve seen the comments, but it was expected when you submit a reader post that elevates Farrakhan to anything that has to do with our domestic policy and Presidential decisions. Farrakhan is a racist a-hole, and Nation of Islam has 20K to 50K max followers world wide. Do I think he’s capable of mobilizing civil insurrection against US law enforcement and our government? That’s about as likely a chance of success if the Blood & Crips do the same. Consider that there’s an estimate of over 600,000 gang members in the US. That dwarfs the impact of the radical Farrakhan.
Do I think he has anything to do with the running of Obama’s admin? Nope. Do they hold similar beliefs? Of course. But I’m not worried about Farrakhan and his mumblings. I worry about Obama’s. Farrakhan’s just another radical running loose in our nation with limited influence on his faithful. I do not see him as the face of American Muslims.
But it’s a good post to collect loons and wackies in thread conversation. I don’t waste my time on such. Sorry. Bigger fish to fry with economics these days than to feed the flames of Muslim hatred.
I thought this was interesting:
The IRS Oversight Board concludes that the 2009 Taxpayer Attitude Survey identifies “some softening” in taxpayers’ views on cheating.
Is this “softening” a result of the bad economic conditions in the country,
or
is it the cumulative effect of the examples set by high profile U.S. government officials taking or staying in office despite accusations or evidence of personal tax cheating?
Is the attitude: if they do it and get away with it, how bad could it be?
Fortunately, according to the Survey, personal integrity still influences about 92% of Americans to honestly report and pay their taxes.
And, yeah, it is a PDF page.
USA Treasury …..
http://www.treas.gov/irsob/reports/2010/IRSOB%20Taxpayer%20Attitude%20Survey%202009.pdf
MATA, hi, maybe the public who usualy pay their taxes every year,
should withold their taxes until the public employee back taxes,are paid of,
would it be a good way to get those collected, specialy when the economy is at the lowest,
and many of the public make sacrifices in order to pay their own taxes,
bye
Bees, we already have that here. After 3 yrs or so, the IRS will garnish wages and put liens against any assets to collect taxes. No real estate or asset sale will take place until the tax lien is paid off. It has stopped many a commercial and residential transaction in the past.
Greg’s just being a partisan idiot. Most of those who owe the IRS are just those caught up in our idiotic tax code, that only a schizoid like Greg thinks is easy to navigate. Even the heartless IRS has more heart than Greg.
Mata: you didn’t miss much…..
I googled Farrakhan yesterday because I’m new to him, but I think skookum wrote one about him a while back; you are right on the money as far as he goes, a racist A-hole.
It is a good post to collect loons and wackos. I had never heard of the nation of islam prior to dr j’s post, and now that I’ve seen what his followers believe, I’m surprised anyone is that stupid. To be honest its opened my eyes to a whole new level of stupid. The Obama cult has political power, is bigger and is more dangerous. The two cults do have obvious similarities, I won’t get into it. but it seems to me the nation of islam cult is just more crazy. I doubt even guys like Greg like him.
That’s indeed true, Zac. Curt wrote about Farrakhan even before that. He’s definitely one of those scum bags allowed to enjoy our freedom, while advocating it’s removal. And the Nation of Islam goes back to the 1930s, with it’s high point of growth during the civil rights period in the early 60s. Google Malcolm X and Nation of Islam to learn more. Farrakhan is just the latest steward of a very old organization.
But he’s a bit player in the scheme of things. He could tell me it was going to rain tomorrow, and I wouldn’t give a flying fart…. that’s about how big he is on the players’ field.
But, if you learned something, nothing is a waste, right? And you are correct that even Greg and myself would find common ground in condeming Farrakhan’s beliefs, as well as asserting his right to espouse the crap he does within our 1st amendment. I just try never to give so much attention to the human gnats of the world. T’ain’t worth my time.
@Greg:
Being a little dramatic aren’t we?
Conservatives still want government, Greg, as that is what keeps a civilization civilized. We just don’t want a government so big, that it overshadows every little daily item in our lives. We don’t want the government that is big enough to give us everything we want, and more apt to take it all away.
More than anything, we want the government mandated to us by the Constitution, as the founding father’s wrote it, not as you liberals would have it be.
@Greg:
Holy crap, did you even remotely read what I linked at all or are you just too stupid or lazy to do stuff like research?
That’s just one section of that. Local, State and Federal are considered different forms of Government Entities and is covered by this series of taxation codes. I paid mainly, when empolyed as a Public Employee, Social Security Tax and a decreased Income Tax rate to reflect my Government job ontop of a decreased Car Tag fee per year. Seriously if you’re not going to dive into the own IRS’s resource pages to try to find that Government Employees pay equal wages, then just don’t try debating. It makes you look like a fool with your foot in your mouth.
Well Mata my first encounter with the nation of islam was interesting to say the least, after googling it further I have no more questions as to the racist intentions of this group.
Yup… they’ve been pretty radical since their inception. And they have a history of bonding with Democrats in high places, Zac. But all in all, they are a small band of radicals whom I simply dismiss as quickly as I dismiss the KKK.
@Mr. Irons, #129:
A “tax exempt government entity” simply refers to a non-profit governmental administrative structure: a county government, a city or town government, a public school system, a public utility company, etc. Although such entities take in funds and disburse funds, no one would expect such an entity to pay taxes the same way a private, for profit company would. Nearly everything that they do is paid for with taxes. It would make no sense for the federal government to tax the taxes that another governmental unit runs on.
The Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division of the IRS is responsible for determining the tax exempt status of such governmental units, among other things.
The fact that a government entity itself is exempt from taxation in no way implies that its employees are. The employees of tax exempt government entities are generally subject to federal income taxes on their pay, same as anyone else.
There’s a good explanation of tax exempt government entities on this U.S. Census Bureau web page.
I have no idea what the tax policies were of the state where you were employed, or how various parts of your compensation from the state were characterized for federal tax purposes. I know there have been different policies at different times regarding various employer-paid benefits and reimbursements for such things as health insurance, pension plan contributions, transportation provided in connection with work, housing allocations, etc. There are probably all sorts of special rules and regulations applying to the compensation and taxation of federal employees working abroad, too. Particulars like that can’t be used as the basis for a broad, inaccurate generalization such as Public employees pay little or no taxes.
There are plenty of private sector employees who have their own unique tax situations that can seem very odd. Consider, for example, the 15% tax rate many top-earning hedge fund managers pay on their compensation. I was in a 28% tax bracket for many years as a wage earner with far lower annual income. My best year was only a tiny fraction of what those guys routinely pull in during an off year.
I’m getting accustomed to the prevailing logic around here, which apparently runs something like this: All liberals are idiots. Greg is a liberal. Therefore, Greg is an idiot. While I might be accustomed to it, that doesn’t mean it’s appreciated. Nor does it mean that I’ll return the discourtesy.
Really, Greg… are you this dense? Earnings off hedge funds are passive, capital gains, not taxed the same as wage earned income. i.e. many are compensated off return on the funds. Two different rates because of the nature of the compensation. And the 15% capital gains is only one of many tiers of those capital gains categories. Additionally, most states have a capital gains tax, that piggy backs on that amount. So if someone falls into a 15% fed capital gains bracket, and the state has a 9%, they are paying 24% capital gains taxes. The also may be responsible for recapture taxes (both fed and state) for depreciation taken during the life of an asset (i.e. real estate).
duh… you’re embarrassing, dude. How do you fit both feet in your cyber mouth? Ain’t it getting a bit crowded in there?
Your mental incapacity, and inability to learn, has little to do with your partisan attitudes, Greg. I happen to know and respect quite a few liberals intellectually. You’re just not one of them. So quit your whining. You made your own bed with your absurd commentary. But nice try at your portrayal of the victim.
@MataHarley, #133:
I might find the defense of a inequity allowing a working, middle class person’s wages to be taxed at double the rate of a wealthy man’s capital gains totaling 10 times as much a bit embarassing.
Wealthy republicans don’t seem to be capable of feeling any embarassment over such things. The working and middle class ones might, but they don’t seem to have quite figured out yet what’s actually going on. They’ve somehow been convinced that liberal criticisms are all about their taxes.
One of these days they’re suddenly going to get it and realize who’s been playing them for the fool.
@Greg: Let’s dissect what you just said:
“Wealthy republicans don’t seem to be capable of feeling any embarassment over such things.” – Class warfare, one of your most relied upon tactics. Mata explained the difference in the two taxes you compared, and yet you refuse to see it. Instead you cling to your apples to oranges example and cry for the little guy. BTW, I’m not wealthy or Republican and I easily understood what Mata said about your inept remarks.
“The working and middle class ones might, but they don’t seem to have quite figured out yet what’s actually going on.” – Looking down your nose at an entire class of people really paints you for the psuedo-intellectual that you are. Perhaps you should do something to illuminate those poor, dumb working and middle class folks.
“They’ve somehow been convinced that liberal criticisms are all about their taxes.” – Seems the Democrats are the ones who constantly push for higher taxes on the backs of those same working and middle class folks you just ranted about; but I suppose that little nugget escapes your grasp of reality.
You are so into the knee-jerk, typical liberal attack first and ask questions later modus operandi that you can’t even tell the difference between income taxes and capital gains taxes.
Sad, really.
It’s rather quite clear Greg you’ve never worked in Public Sector, so utterly weak is your defense of the matter and the misunderstandings you have from the own IRS data pools (I mean really you’re making arguements now against the IRS tax codes…) that it’s almost the point it’s not worth trying to prove to you Public Sectors pay less in taxation. You’ve proved to be incompetent in understanding Laws and applying them to situations and you’re still trying to slam people over what is partisan issues that you can’t even show remote comprehsion over. Keep it up, you make foolish and stupid comments you’ll be pointed out as such a fool.
Playing as a Fool? Well someone’s in denial of which political party that has had a majority hold in Budget plans for over 60 years. Only recently have Republicans even remotely impacted Domestic Budget issues but hey I guess even History is a weak and feeble area for you to grasp. Keep it up bub, your opinions are not facts no matter how you wish of it. It doesn’t matter if you were Liberal or Conservative, you flat out do not understand jack on the subjects at the discussion table.
And as it stands currently most Big Business Politicans hail from the Democrat party, it has only been since the mid 90’s where Republican canidates hail from major Big Business backed firms to rival Democrat Big Businesses. Oil industry has been siding with FDR’s Congress members all the way to modern day in the Democrat Party for decades so do not even remotely try to fool yourself. Republicans are not the only guilty party of being Big Business. *Cough Phizer deals within Obamacare cough*
@anticsrocks, #136:
I didn’t interpret that as an explanation so much as a rationalization.
A dollar comes harder and is dearer to a working person than to a wealthy hedge fund manager. The dollars are fewer, and he or she lives much closer to the place where the primary concern is meeting the basic needs for self and and family. The explanation for a tax rate that can be nearly double on the working person’s dollar is pretty much lost on me. It might answer to how, but not to why. I see no moral justification for it.
Our whole system is being systematically rearranged to favor the wealthiest at the expense of everyone else. That’s my chief problem with the new republican agenda; that, and the fact that it’s being so skillfully misrepresented. Everythings being done under the cover of budgetary necessity. I find that story rather hard to believe, when I consider the extent of the special interest tax cuts that are being simultaneously handed out.
Holy crap! Now you’re an investment specialist? And who the hell are you to judge which job is, “harder” than another? Funds management carries heavy risks to traders, so apparently you’ve never had to deal with investment situations at all or had the Business classes to it.
BTW, if you like what Governor Walker is up to in Wisconsin, you’re going to LOVE what Governor Rick Snyder is up to in Michigan. Michigan republicans are going to empower him to essentially suspend the authority of the duly elected government of any city or town facing severe budgetary problems and appoint a manager of his own choosing to take over the operations of the local government. Refer to Michigan House Bill 4214.
Such an appointed manager will be empowered to summarily suspend collective bargaining rights and all contractual agreements that have resulted from them.
*clap* Way to go in misunderstanding another bill. Really, bravo for showing your stupidity.
I’ve read this bill a day ago, what it does is allow the creation of an emergency Manager that assists the Mayor and/or City Concil. It does NOT suspend and strip Local GOvernment permantly. It allows the State of Mich to allow Local Governments to focus directly on what is creating their economical problems… Seriously you’re reaching for straws now and have gone well off the road on the Topic at hand.
If you’re talking of this little bitty:
I hate to break it to you, but it’s legal for such actions. Hell Kansas has done that under Democrat Sebelius as Govenor in relation to collapsing school districts in the past. Really now, is that it?
I’m of the opinion that giving a state governor the power to dissolve elected municipal governments, to eliminate incorporated cities and towns, and to place their residents under the authority of an unelected, non-local manager is a rather drastic development, having serious political ramifications that might well exceed the financial ones. Such a manager would even be able to override a local school’s educational programs.
I’m a little suprised that small-goverment conservatives don’t have serious problems with some of this stuff.
Is that your best defense? The Fear that the Governorship is somehow going to dissolve the Local Governments totaly and form an Oligarchy? Again, the very material sources of your, “fears” contradicts your opinions of what a State Government of Mich can do to its local communities. Ever heard of a place called Bell, California? That is pretty much what the Michigan bill is seeking to prevent… Oh wait, what’s this? Most of Bell, Californa’s Local Government employees that were violating various Local and State Laws were Democrat…
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-21/justice/california.bell.arrests_1_luis-artiga-misappropriation-victor-bello?_s=PM:CRIME
In the context of Michigan provided, the State Government is to appoint an Emergency Manager to the Local Governments that are in the propsects of Insolvency that can be due to various reasons (aka Bell, Cal is just one example where as Granola, KS and Winfield, KS is another example). If the Management is finding that Local employees are manipulating the system to recieve higher than legated pay (Aka Bell, Californa per example) then the Emergency Manager will be given ablity to submit for the Local Government to be suspended and possibly impeached while mandating that the Local Population casts votes for new Local Government Officals.
No where in that Bill in Michigan does it allow the cause and formation of an Oligarchy ruled souly by the Govenor. It also does not help your cause of argument when the State of Michigan is facing over 2 billion dollars in the hole. 2009 The state of Michigan had a deficit of 2 Billion dollars,
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/local&id=6969376
Aka, they now have to find some means to pay off a debt of 2 billion plus last year’s Deficit additions to the debt ontop of the projected 2011 deficits. The bill you’ve got such fears over is designed to examine Local Governments and Public Sector Unions and to see if corruption of spending and misallocations of funds have been commited and giving the ablity of the Local Governments the par ablity of Bankruptcy laws that apply to Private Business when in a state of insolvency.
The States, they be broke. Socialist ideas have failed, it’s time to deal with reality.
@Greg, I’ve not read such a blob of socialist horse manure in one spot for awhile now. “Rationalization”? Give me a break. That’s what you, yourself, are doing in your usual and predictable class warfare game.
Capital gains taxes, income taxes and their various tax brackets are applied the same regardless of one’s source of earned income. Not all of a hedge fund manager’s income is taxed at capital gains. But it’s rather akin to a waitress or bartender who works for minimum wage – and pays the appropriate income bracket % on that – but makes the better money on tips, which is declared and treated differently in the tax code. They are tipped on performance – the same way that a hedge fund manager gets paid based on the performance of the fund. And if that waitress has hedge fund or stock earnings, they too are going to pay the capital gains rate… just like the hedge fund manager.
Therefore there is nothing unequal. If you were also an investor in the market, you would be taxed the same way as the hedge fund manager on those passive earnings. It doesn’t matter you shovel verbal garbage for a living… that particular income, just as a hedge fund managers base salary, is taxed according to your income bracket within our existing IRC.
I’m a big fan of revamping the tax codes. But I guarantee you, it sure won’t look like your socialist world view.
@Greg: You said:
Another of your favorite tactics, Greggie. When you lose an argument, you attempt to hi-jack the thread by changing the subject. And even then, Mr. Irons hands you your ass by explaining once again how little you know about the subjects you blather on.
hear the flee-ocrats,doyle allowed this to go on and this flee-ocrat blames walker only.just like a flee-acrat,blame only one side.this flee-acrats big mouth wont answear questions asked of her.typical flee-acrat.
Greg prefers the Communistic method the Unions are now trying to implement. Since Obama said “Elections have Consequences”, (“for anyone OTHER than Democrats”)….. the Unions now feel FREE to Overthrow the LEGALLY elected folks in Wisconsin, by attempting a Recall Petition drive. If Successful, the Democrats will have implemented, In the US for the First time, the rule of SINGLE PARTY RULE! Is THAT the America you want, Greg?? Ruled my a single entity?? ONE group has say so?? You super Liberals are so damned dumb….
Just for fun… Maritime law states, if the Crew and Captain abandon ship… and someone else comes along, and stays with and saves the ship, it’s THEIRS! Maritime Salvage law. Same principle applies here…. YOUR PARTY turned tail, ran like COWARDS, and abandoned their SWORN duties of office.
They have no say or claims on anything now. Also, under all the UNION CONTRACTS I worked under (24 years worth) , GREG, if you are a no show, without Legit excuse for 3 days of MORE, you are TERMINATED, with the BLESSING of the Union! With NO RECOURSE….Since these guys are all Union PIMPS…. they should abide by UNION LAW! All 14 ought to be BOOTED from office, for dereliction of job/duty, as stated by Union Statute! Do you understand THAT Greg boy???
Live by the (Union) sword, DIE by the (Union) Sword!!!
Seems fair and right to me!
Hankster, hi, this is to not be happening, this first is to be fought with all people who love their freedom in AMERICA, IT is a dangerous thing that have two edges, and like a BOOMERANG will come back to destroyed the DEMOCRATS in the two levels of GOVERNMENTS before 2012
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