27 Jan

Never bring a Kukri to a Gunfight”

                                       

“Fighting the enemy in battle is my duty as a soldier; taking on the dacoits in the train was my duty as a human being,”
-Bishnu Shrestha



The new Zombie Tools Vakra with its good pal, the AR-15.

The legendary heroics of Gurkha warriors lives on to this day. Last September 2nd, 40 train robbers found themselves outnumbered by a lone, retired Gurkha soldier. Yesterday (India’s Republic Day) he received further honor and accolades for his gallantry by the Indian government, bestowing upon him its Sourya Chakra, Bravery Award, and Sarvottam Jeevan Raksha Medal.

Story, via BlackFive:

The band of about 40 robbers, some of whom were travelling as passengers, stopped the train in the Chittaranjan jungles in West Bengal around midnight. Shrestha– who had boarded the train at Ranchi in Jharkhand, the place of his posting–was in seat no. 47 in coach AC3.

“They started snatching jewelry, cell phones, cash, laptops and other belongings from the passengers,” Shrestha recalled. The soldier had somehow remained a silent spectator amidst the melee, but not for long. He had had enough when the robbers stripped an 18-year-old girl sitting next to him and tried to rape her right in front of her parents. He then took out his khukuri and took on the robbers.

“The girl cried for help, saying ´You are a soldier, please save a sister´,” Shrestha recalled. “I prevented her from being raped, thinking of her as my own sister,” he added. He took one of the robbers under control and then started to attack the others. He said the rest of the robbers fled after he killed three of them with his khukuri and injured eight others.

During the scuffle he received serious blade injury to his left hand while the girl also had a minor cut on her neck. “They had carried out their robbery with swords, blades and pistols. The pistols may have been fake as they didn´t open fire,” he surmised.

The train resumed its journey after some 20 minutes and a horde of media persons and police were present when it reached Chittaranja station. Police arrested the eight injured dacoits and recovered around 400,000 Indian rupees in cash, 40 gold necklaces, 200 cell phones, 40 laptops and other items that the fleeing robbers dropped in the train.

Police escorted Shrestha to the Railways Hospital after the rescued girl told them about his heroic deed. Mainstream Indian media carried the story. The parents of the girl, who was going for her MBBS studies, also announced a cash award of Indian rupees 300,000 for him but he has not met them since.

“Even the veins and arteries in my left hand were slit but the injury has now healed after two months of neurological treatment at the Command Hospital in Kolkata,” he said showing the scar. “Fighting the enemy in battle is my duty as a soldier; taking on the dacoits in the train was my duty as a human being,” said the Indian army nayak, who has been given two guards during his month-long holidays in Nepal.

“I am proud to be able to prove that a Gorkha soldier with a khukuri is really a handful. I would have been a meek spectator had I not carried that khukuri,” he said.

Read the whole article.

Bishnu Shrestha, a brave Gurkha soldier in Indian Army who defeated 40 train robbers while returning home after the voluntary retirement from the Indian army, is going to be awarded with Sourya Chakra, Bravery Award and Sarvottam Jeevan Raksha medals during the Indian Republic Day celebration on January 26


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34 Responses to Never bring a Kukri to a Gunfight”

  1. Randy says: 1

    These are the guys who guarded the US Embassy in Iraq in 2006-07.

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  2. bacsi says: 2

    Hoo whee! A man Jim Bowie would be proud of…

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  3. Colin McCauley says: 3

    I believe the Gurkhas also proved themselves in Korea. These men were taught by the British Army of old and have carried on the great tradition given them by their forebears. The heroism is legendary and, I think, once a Gurkha always a Gurkha. Kinda like once a Marine always a Marine. Semper Fi.

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  4. minuteman26 says: 4

    Gurkhas are one group you want on your side in a fight. Tough SOBs.

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  5. Rodney G. Graves says: 5

    Wrote about this yesterday on Wizbang:

    Score: Lone Ghurka 11, Forty dacoits* 0

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  6. “Don’t [frak] with guys who carry short swords for fun.”

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  7. Jeanne Kors says: 7

    These guys are fantastic. During WWII I was in a Japanese women’s camp in Ned.Indie. [Indonesia]. When Japan capitulated, the Gurkhas entered our camp to rescue us. They did not take any prisoners but hung them all in a big field in the center of the camp. I remember we all danced under the poles where they were hanging. I was all of 8 years old. My mother and I had been in the camp for 4 years.They are my all time heros. Jeanne.

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  8. toadold says: 8

    Two things, the Nepalis use Kukris all the time and from the time they a little. It is the universal tool for the country folk. They chop, slice, hammer, scrape and everthing else with them. As a result they don’t think about using them, they just intend to cut and it is done. They cut so damn quikly and precisely that it is unreal. The never get in a knife fight with a chef rule.
    The other thing is if you have a pistol and someone comes at you with a knife and they get within 6 yards of you they are pretty likely to cut you. There have been a number of instances where a knife weilder was shot but the closed and killed the guy with the pistol. A number of police departments now advocate a shot to the pelvic girdle on someone with a “contact” weapon. It is more likely to put them on the ground than a center of mass shot.

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  9. I find that the HEROS are all so humble and yet still so powerfull
    when facing their ennemies,IT’s admirable to see, one stand out in a crowd where trouble start,to appease and protect all, that’s a one man show

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  10. Rodney G. Graves says: 10

    toadold,

    7 yards / 21 feet is the magic number. Do not allow an opponent to close within that range if you are using a pistol as that constitutes danger close. If you must engage within that range keep shooting until they fall down.

    If you have a knife and the opponent has a pistol, don’t show the knife until you have stuck it in.

    Go forth with love in your heart and a knife in your pocket!

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  11. Wordsmith says: 11

    @Rodney G. Graves:

    7 yards / 21 feet is the magic number.

    Yup, the Tueller Drill. The whole advantage of firearms over close-quarter weapons like a blade is distance, as a projectile weapon.

    @toadold:

    There have been a number of instances where a knife weilder was shot but the closed and killed the guy with the pistol.

    The Moros in the Southern Philippines are also another group with a history of ferocity on the battlefield whose fighting spirit was fortified by their Islamic religious fervor. During the U.S. occupation of the Philippines after the Spanish-American War, there were such frequent reports of a crazed Juramentado having all six rounds of a .38 caliber pistol emptied into him and still have the strength to behead his enemy, that the Marines were eventually issued the .45 to have more stopping power. (It’s probably Filipino martial arts folklore/urban legend, but it’s also popularly told that the Marines also got their nickname, “Leathernecks” from their encounter in the Philippines. I’ve heard it a number of times amongst those in Filipino martial arts but have never seen any legit historical documentation of this).

    I do believe modern boxing, however, did draw strong influence from American servicemen’s experience in the Philippines.

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  12. Skookum says: 12

    Wordsmith, the term Leatherneck comes from a leather collar worn by sea going Marines, when men were iron and ships were wooden: it was to protect the old Marines from saber cuts to the jugular, at least that is what they told us on Parris Island, a long time ago, during boot camp.

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  13. Wordsmith says: 13

    @Skookum: I’ve Googled the term long ago, looking for the most accurate history on the name. Was never so obsessed as to search real hard; but this seemed pretty comprehensive at the time (which is also linked by the MA blogger I linked to in my above reply). I’d still keep an open-mind about the possibility that Marines may have brought the leather collar back into vogue during their experience in the Philippines:

    Most also say that the leather collar was abandoned before the Philippine–American War started and I have read nothing saying that it was ever resurrected. It would not surprise me if the military readopted this practice either formally or informally and it is not documented. It’s also likely that some soldiers may have individually added this to their armor – practice still going on today. Regardless of whether it was or not, the evidence seems to predate US Marines in the Philippines.

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  15. Michael Fox says: 14

    It is easy to see why Ghurkas have such a strong reputation in the military community.
    Lots of cheers for this guy.

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  16. Akash says: 15

    I am Proud to Say that ” I AM GORKHALI “.

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  17. Wordsmith says: 16

    I was looking for a clip of “Surviving Edged Weapons” when commenting earlier in this post; but just now accidentally stumbled across what I was looking for:

    It’s from a classic police training video, a bit dated but still extremely relevant.

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  18. Skookum says: 17

    That was good Word. People always act as if I am foolish for carrying my bokken and a wide variety of bladed instruments instead of a pistol in the car. This video will allay some of their worries. My latest acquisition is a hand made short handled broad ax from Sweden with a nine inch blade and a twenty-four inch handle. I practice with this weapon by de-limbing palm trees. Once you see that blade cut through thick date and Washingtonian branches you realize it will slice through human limbs like a hot knife through butter. It is an awesome weapon. and completely legal sitting on the passenger seat next to my bokken

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  19. Wordsmith says: 18

    @Skookum:

    That was good Word. People always act as if I am foolish for carrying my bokken and a wide variety of bladed instruments instead of a pistol in the car.

    The problem is that for some people, they give firearms a certain mystique (especially if they are unfamiliar with them) and confidence that isn’t necessarily warranted. Reliance on only one form of weapon as the superior choice to serve as a one-size-fits all-circumstances tool is a foolhardy mistake.

    You see this a lot when someone who is shown a demonstration of martial art skills reacts to it by saying something stupid like, “I’ll just pull out a gun and shoot him.”

    The whole advantage of a firearm as a projectile weapon is distance. In close-quarters, some of its superiority is lost. Other than perhaps the muzzle flash and some powder burns if you’re in close-quarters in a tussle, if it’s not actually aimed at you, you’re in no harm. If it misfires and jams, if it runs out of bullets, it can only hurt you as a pistol-whipping device.

    Which is superior: A firearm or a hand grenade? It depends on the circumstances. If you were fighting for your life in a phone booth, would you rather fight your assailant with the grenade or with perhaps a knife? When a mechanic is working on a car, does he use many tools in his toolbox, or does he only favor one to get the job done? Does he force the wrong tool to try and accomplish the task at hand, or does he pick the one that’s most appropriate and efficient to get the job done?

    Dan Inosanto (one of my teachers- the guy in the above video) used to tell this story:

    A bunch of martial artists were hanging out at a party after a big tournament, arguing about which style/art was superior. Then some guy challenged the lot of them to take him on in the backyard swimming pool. The jiu-jitsu expert tried to grapple with the challenger, only to give up after 30 seconds of grappling unsuccessfully with the guy underwater, and running out of oxygen. The boxer kept getting his head pushed down and eventually gave up, not able to deliver any powerful blows since he could not generate any torquing action and leg-drive off of the floor; the Tae Kwon Do black belt suffered the worst, unable to use his legs and arms for anything other than paddling. All the martial arts experts asked the challenger who had vanquished them all what martial art he studied. The guy shrugged his shoulders and said he didn’t practice any martial arts: He played water polo.

    I elaborated on it, but think it might have been a true story of one of Dan’s experiences. The moral of it is that in his element, the guy was king. In the Octagon, a Matt Hughes or Randy Couture might be the dominant force; but on the battlefield of Afghanistan? I’d trust Sal Giunta. In a knife fight? One of the old escrimador legends from Stockton or Manilla might not be able to stand toe-to-toe with you in a slugfest boxing match, but they will slice you into ribbons in a knife-fight or a stickfight to the death- not a tournament where you’re allowed to pad your head and hands and body. In a fencing duel (not a competition)? In a submission grappling tournament? In a Muay Thai match? In MMA with rules, referee, a ring environment, and an agreed upon date where fighters can be at their peak and have months of studying their opponent’s style, method, weaknesses & strengths? A streetfight with the element of surprise, multiple opponents, specialized and improvised weapons at hand, flesh-rending biting and tearing and eye-gouging?

    A lazy friend once scoffed at the notion of practicing martial arts claiming he’d just pull his gun out; that he’d shoot anyone coming at him with a knife. I asked him where his gun was. He said it was at home, “locked up”. I tapped him on the forehead to simulate a finger-jab into his eye-socket and then spun him around and slapped a carotid restraint on him and I told him, “OK…go for your gun.”

    I also pointed out to him the Spyderco Civilian clipped to my pocket. If he could reach that or his own knife- or even his gun- he could probably make me let go of him. Fortunately for him, I responded to the word, “Uncle”.

    A knife in the hands of even a child flailing it around in the air can do you serious harm. Put a red magic marker in someone’s hand and try a fancy disarm on the person in the absence of any real-life smarts and tactics. See how many red streaks you end up with all over your body.

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  20. Skookum says: 19

    Word: Thank you for the points to ponder. Years ago before the cell phone was practical and reliable, I would be working in unfamiliar big cities and need to check in with my office and home in the evening. Thus I had to look for pay phone booths. It wasn’t as easy as you might think.

    Some of these phones were on darkened streets in neighborhoods that were past their prime. Occasionally in the middle of a conversation, I’d see a group of teenage boys walking toward the booth. I’d end the conversation and walk to my vehicle and leave. The wife, bookkeeper, and others would be frustrated and say that no one would bother me because of my imposing stature. I assured them that a group of savage boys has the advantage and that I must always trust my instincts.

    It is situational awareness, it is best to avoid a confrontation by being aware of potential danger, but when confrontation is inevitable, it is imperative to respond with an appropriate method.

    Being aware and prepared also means having confidence in your demeanor. This attitude works against the cunning predator mind of the street punk: in his primitive mind, there are easier fish in the pond. This even helps with animals like a Grizzly, Mountain Lion, or a dangerous horse; an air of self-confidence will serve you well, but a starving or provoked animal and a desperate human riddled with fear will toss caution to the wind.

    Thanks for the thoughts, I believe being prepared and aware is partially why I have enjoyed a full life.

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  21. Passerby says: 20

    @Wordsmith:

    Actually sir, the legend about the war like Moro’s of Mindanao (Southern Philippines) is true.

    The Moro was in fact the reason why the U.S. military had to adopt the .45 caliber and replace the .38 caliber which was standard issue at that time, as the .38 caliber was not able to stop a determined Juramentado in his tracks, and the Juramentado was able to kill a number of soldiers (Spanish and American) before eventually succumbing to multiple gunshot wounds, hence the U.S. military had to come up with the .45 caliber to address this problem.

    Just to clarify, the “Leather Neck” legend still needs further proof and I am doubtful about its authenticity; but the .45 caliber and its connection with the Moro is for real, a fact.

    There are several books written about them, for example… the book “Swish of a Kris” by Vic Hurley mentions of these Moro Juramentado attacks during his time in the Philippines, If I remember right, Vic is an American who lived in the Philippines during the American occupation (colonization) of the Philippines.

    At one part of the book, Vic tells of a Moro Juramentado attack that left 15 Spaniards dead, with bodies getting cut in half.

    Another book would be… “MoroLand: The History of Uncle Sam and the Moros 1899-1920″, which was written by Robert A. Fulton.

    Actually the Moros have been written in several historical records. The Moros of Mindanao have a well earned reputation as seafaring raiders (pirates) and adept naval tacticians in history, they have the reputation of being the feared pirates of the Malay world; there are several books that mentions about this, the book… “The Pirates own book- authentic narratives of the sea robbers” by Charles Ellms, published in 1837, in a part of the book, it talks of how the battle of Quallah Batoo took place, where the U.S. had to battle the Malay pirates of Sulu and the Illanuns with regards to the trade route in the region (these two are Moros, Sulu is a place in Southern Philippines in Mindanao and the Illanuns or Iranuns is one of the tribe that composes the Moro ethnic group).

    Another book that mentions of the Moro’s fierce reputation as seafaring raiders is the book… “Pirate Wind: The tales of the sea robbers of Malaya” by Owen Rutter, this book also talks of the Iranuns, which is a tribe which belongs to the Moro ethnic group.

    Moro is an ethnic group composed of several tribes, like the Iranuns, Tausugs of Sulu, Samal, Maguindanaoan, Maranao, etc.

    A Juramentado is quite different from an Amok, an Amok will try to kill anybody in his way (friend or foe) during his fit of rage.

    The Juramentado on the other hand is different… he will only kill his enemies, he does this systematically with the pure intent to kill as many enemy as he can during an attack, he undergoes certain rituals (gets blessing from an Imam, shaving of hair, ritual binding, etc.), he also chooses a strategic location where he can make his attack to inflict as much casualty and make use of surprise; also a Juramentado is adept with the blade (Moro Kris or Moro Barung).

    The word Juramentado comes from the Spanish word “Juramentar” which means- one who takes an oath.

    The Juramentado has taken an oath to kill as many infidels or enemies that he can, knowing that he himself will die during his attack.

    If the Khukuri is the symbol of the Gurkha’s, then the Barung is the symbol of the Tausug of Sulu and the Sulu sultanate, the Tausugs are said to be the bravest among all the Moro tribes.

    Like the Gurkhas, the Moro are also still in the battlefield up to this day… in the form of the separatist groups Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Moro National Liberation Front and the terrorist group Abu Sayaff.

    In my opinion, the Moro same as the Gurkha are a warlike people.

    On another note, two of my favorite blades out there are the Gurkha Khukuri and Moro Barung, both having been battle tested and symbols of these war like peoples.

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  22. Wordsmith says: 21

    @Passerby:

    Just to clarify, the “Leather Neck” legend still needs further proof and I am doubtful about its authenticity; but the .45 caliber and its connection with the Moro is for real, a fact.

    Thanks, Passerby! Just to clarify, it’s the leatherneck background that I am questioning- not the .45 (reread my comment #11). I’ve never been able to verify through legitimate historical records the claim in martial arts circles amongst escrimadors and kalistas that it was the Marine experience against the Moros that saw fit for them to be issued or reissued leatherneck collars (due to the frequency of beheadings by a crazed Juramentado who’s already been shot multiple times, yet still keeps on coming).

    I do think that there is lost/incomplete history regarding the evolution of boxing after the exposure of U.S. Marines to the Filipino methods.

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  23. Wordsmith says: 22

    @Passerby: Oh, and I do own “Swish of the Kris” as one of my books.

    On another note, two of my favorite blades out there are the Gurkha Khukuri and Moro Barung, both having been battle tested and symbols of these war like peoples.

    I own two Krises I picked up years ago at a collectors, about a century or two old. Wish they could speak and tell me their history!

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  24. Passerby says: 23

    @Wordsmith:

    Yes sir, I was able to read your comment #11 and I do agree with everything you said, I also find a lack of written documentation about the “Leather Neck” urban legend to corroborate it, but I also agree that… it would not be a surprise if some of the Marines stationed in the Philippines at that time individually added the leatherneck to their gear as some kind of precaution, as the locals in the Philippines at that time used bladed weapons frequently, actually even to this day they still do, working tools… short swords/machetes and knives also doubled as weapons.

    I also agree with what you just said about some people underestimating the blade (knife, short swords, machetes, etc.) just because they have this false sense of security with the gun.

    I think people should understand that it takes a couple of seconds to

    1. recognize a threat
    2. draw your gun from its holster
    3. aim the gun
    4. shoot it

    Unfortunately… this precious seconds is only what’s needed by an attacker wielding a sharp object or knife to close the gap on you and eventually cut you or seriously hurt you; people should also keep in mind that an attacker would also conceal his intentions until the last minute, when its already too late for the victim to respond properly.

    Here is an example of a failed assassination attempt on the former Philippine first lady Imelda Marcos, the attacker was wielding a Bolo or Itak (a local short sword in the Philippines, which is also used as a utility tool).

    Youtube Link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5A9dLmzeM

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  25. Passerby says: 24

    @Wordsmith:

    Yes I understand what you’re saying, that there seems to be a lost/incomplete history regarding the evolution of boxing after the U.S. Marines exposure to the Filipino method.

    Before their exposure to the Filipino methods, boxers were using the Gentleman Jim stance, but after the U.S. Marines were stationed in the Philippines and exposed to the Filipino methods and fought the Filipino fighters (who were usually knife fighters) everything changed, and the stance and movement used by boxers eventually changed into what we see now in modern boxing.

    So, you have Krises? Nice!

    Actually, I too enjoy learning about history and Martial Arts.

    With that said… I hope that someday I’d be able to acquire an authentic Moro Barung and a Gurkha Khukuri myself, sort of an aspiring, budding ethnographic arms and armor collector here, but that will have to wait until I have the needed money, which to tell you frankly… I don’t have right now. Hahaha!

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  26. Wordsmith says: 25

    @Passerby: Hope you’re able to add to your collection, sometime.

    Before their exposure to the Filipino methods, boxers were using the Gentleman Jim stance, but after the U.S. Marines were stationed in the Philippines and exposed to the Filipino methods and fought the Filipino fighters (who were usually knife fighters) everything changed, and the stance and movement used by boxers eventually changed into what we see now in modern boxing.

    Yup. In the prize-fighting era of John Sullivan, Western boxing involved an upright stance, palms up with pretty linear footwork, standing toe-to-toe and exchanging blow for blow. The Filipino method of empty-hand techniques evolved out of knife-fighting- more evasive movement and triangular footwork (can’t stand toe-to-toe and exchange blow-for-blow with a knife), crouched down with shoulders and hands protecting face and neck…a number of techniques and tactics are directly derived from the blade and words like jabbing, uppercut, hook take on new added meaning.

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  27. Wordsmith says: 26

    Missed this one

    A LONE Gurkha fought off an attack by 30 Taliban fanatics with just a chunk of metal and a sandbag after running out of ammunition.

    Sergeant Dipprasad Pun, 31, facing a surprise attack at a Afghanistan checkpoint, used superhuman strength to hoist a 50lb machine gun off its mount to blast at the enemy.

    When they kept coming, he launched 17 grenades and picked up an SA80 assault rifle, only for it to jam.

    Then he threw the machine gun’s metal tripod at his attackers, before fending them off with a sandbag while yelling in Nepali: “I will kill you!”

    With nothing left to hand, the exhausted hero finally managed to fire off a Claymore mine, and the blast sent the enemy scattering.

    Yesterday, Sgt Pun’s extraordinary courage in Helmand province earned him the Conspicuous Gallantry Cross at a special ceremony in London.

    The soldier’s medal citation said his actions saved the lives of three comrades and prevented the key military position he was guarding from being overrun.

    The married soldier, who lives in Ashford, Kent, said: “I was really scared but as soon as I opened fire that was gone. I knew I had to kill them.

    “I thought they were going to kill me after a couple of minutes, definitely.

    “Looking back at it, I realise I’m a very lucky guy, a survivor. It is great to get this award. I am very happy.”

    The sergeant in the Royal Gurkha Rifles told how he was on night-time sentry duty on September 17 last year when he discovered insurgents laying an improvised explosive device at the checkpoint.

    He was surrounded and the enemy opened fire with rocket-propelled grenades and AK47s.

    As the 20-minute battle raged, Sgt Pun raced onto a wall to remove the giant machine gun from its mount so he could lower it enough to aim at the attackers below.

    At one point he turned to find a “huge” militant standing behind him ready to pounce and Sgt Pun fired a final machine gun round at him.

    He also fired his SA80 assault rifle, but the weapon failed just as another Taliban crept up on him. He said: “I threw it away and grabbed a sandbag to hit him but all the sand poured away. I had nothing left. Suddenly I found the metal rod and hit him with it.

    “I threw it at him yelling in Nepali ‘I will kill you’ and he fell down. They were very determined. They kept coming and coming. In the end I was nearly collapsed.”

    His honour is just one level below the military’s top award, the Victoria Cross.

    One more:

    Okay…I lied.

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  28. pinktalon says: 27

    I’ve admired the Gukhas since I first read of them as a child. Because of growing up in a household where pre-Meiji values were upheld and my parents took me to every new Samurai film when I was little, I have a real interest in fine blades. I believe the Kukri to be one of the finest close-quarter designs ever. Not only have the Gurkhas been feared in every major war during close combat, but if you study the best known of historic swordsmen and Warriors, they all tended to be larger and stronger than the average (e.g. Timurlane and Musashi). The average height of a Gurkha is 5’2″. All these reasons are why I’ve been testing the Kukri and training up with one. Since I won’t use mine like a typical Nepalese as a do-everything tool, I rehoned my blades to a narrower angle which takes a nice hone, yet still strong. I have taught def/tac firearms for over 20 years, but there are often times I’d rather have my Kukri with me. Going through a large roast takes little force and I’ve bisected a steer femur which was harder than a fresh bone because it was dessicated: http://twolftfeet.com/kukri_testing.html

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  29. PINKTALON
    YOU ARE SO INTERESTING, DON’T GO ANY WHERE STICK WITH US.
    BYE

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  30. pinktalon says: 29

    Thank you so much for your warm welcome. I haven’t had a chance to look at the other articles yet but I will :)
    Re: Bishnu Shrestha who fought 40 armed bandits on the train. I saw something which a lot of people might miss in the articles I read. Here these days I read on many good credible armed/unarmed defense groups (often authored by LEOs) more than half the posts by people who consider themselves to be sheepdogs say if they saw someone it trouble, they’d avoid it and try calling 911. I understand it has to do with our laws and the torte system, but it’s almost as if a Kitty Genovese philosophy is something to be proud of (often recommended by the LEOs writing the articles). I know the laws are different there, but this retired Gurkha was going to give up his things and let things go until the young woman who was about to be raped pleaded with him. In today’s society where the first thing the average person thinks of doing is grabbing his or her cellphone to take a movie, I wish that more trained warriors/ronins/spartans would try to help using the courage they are proud of to make a decision despite problems with the law.
    Re: Moros and .45ACP. Moros also were known to use decorative ties on their extremities as TQs just before closing with the enemy. Ammunition has come a long way since that time and the use of .45ACP FMJ. A lot of not-talked-about research has been done during our WOT to improve the 9×19. Calm, multiple shot placement at speed is all important. If you didn’t catch my link to some of the history of the Kukri’s use in history is here
    http://twolftfeet.com/kukri_history.html
    Re: Shooting at the hip girdle is still controversial even in the most credible circles. The place to hit it and drop an attacker is not the whole pelvis and is still a small target. You have to count on about 10 seconds of continued action except for CNS hits. (not simply head hits either).
    Re: Choice of weapons. They are just tools. Training under realistic situations is paramount. For me, small knives – even my Mk II aren’t enough except as last resort. It’s an ugly thing which takes multiple cuts and thrusts even if you know every last artery. Yes, I often carry one of two Benchmade folders all the time as well.
    I would still rather have access to any firearm, but that’s why I have sent 100s of thousands of rounds downrange in training (no plinking in over 20 years). That means whether .22lr or .380ACP on up. Even 12Ga 00buck or Foster slugs don’t always work immediately.
    :) I have done the Tuller drills where you’re facing away from the attacker.

    Great thread and I’m happy you enjoyed my input!

    http://twolftfeet.com/kukri_history.html

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  31. PINKTALON
    I praise such braves to be so confident as to take on which outnumbers them,
    and succeed to win the battle,
    this is outstanding, and you mentioned the origin of the GURKHA which have been taken by CHINA,
    AM I RIGHT TO THINK THAT
    you must have been forbiden to fight them by the DALAI LAMA HIMSELF FOR SEEKING PEACEFUL RETURN IN THIBET
    OTHERWISE YOU GURKHA WOULD HAVE RETAIN YOUR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN,
    BY ONLY YOUR COURAGE,
    THANK YOU FOR VISITING, AND STAYING WITH US,

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  32. pinktalon says: 31

    Nepalese hill people – I’ve got a good link I’ll find and post from a BBC documentary

    one part of the history of the Nepalese I love is how England couldn’t conquer them, so they were smart enough to hire them as mercenaries! Short and all!
    http://twolftfeet.com/mil/Gurkha_Commander_Nepal_War.jpg
    http://twolftfeet.com/me/kukri_woman.jpg

    I hope that England will someday allow retired Gurkha to become citizens. I also wish we could hire them and send them in to some of the MOUT/WOT we’ve got going.
    Got a very flattering complement on a Gurkha on my Kukri handling when he happened across one of my video clips – whoot!

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  34. Wordsmith says: 32

    I’m on a mobile phone having trouble posting this without the spam word verification trying to screen me here

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443292/Gurkha-Tuljung-Gurung-Armed-Forces-given-honours.html

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