Those are the words of George Soros. And he feels the United States must be destroyed.
George Soros was born György Schwartz in Hungary in 1930. Soros, born a Jew but now an atheist, was the son of a Nazi colloaborator and accompanied his father while the father assisted in the confiscation of private property from Jews. Through it all, he feels no guilt. In fact
KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
SOROS: Not, not at all. Not at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
SOROS: No.
In 2004 Joshua Muravchik wrote that in 1944:
“70% of Mr. Soros’s fellow Jews in Hungary, nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year. They were dying and disappearing all around him, and their numbers no doubt included many whom he knew personally. Yet he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect.”
Soros has called 1944 “the best year of my life.”
In the introduction to his father’s book, Soros said
“It is a sacreligious thing to say, but these ten months [of the Nazi occupation] were the happiest times of my life… We led an adventurous life and we had fun together.”
Yes he did say that.
From the American Thinker:
“Soros made his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England. He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically…almost overnight.”
And
When asked about his sphere of influence in the Soviets’ demise for a New Republic interview in 1994, Mr. Soros humbly replied that the author ought to report that “the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire.”
Soros wants to pop “the bubble of American supremacy.”
Soros says he “carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.”
Soros’ goal is “to become the conscience of the world.”
In an interview in The Australian in 2009, Soros had this to say:
So do you have a sense that things are coming together for you now?
It is in a way a culminating point of my life’s work, so to speak. Everything is coming together. Yeah, the American election, the financial crisis, the theory of reflexivity. So it is actually a very stimulating period.
(emphases mine)
The recession, the pain of this country, the dire circumstances so many in this country find themselves in- it’s “stimulating” to Soros. It’s the culmination of his life’s work.
George Soros is a sociopath.
As Skookum noted, Soros ploughed $1 million into Media Matters to fight Fox News.
Soros has basically bought off NPR:
The left loves to go wild claiming that Ruppert Murdock, a famous conservative, owns a few news outlets. The left is also aghast that well-known righty Roger Ailes guides Fox News. Ailes’s ideology makes of his network a compromised product, they claim. It’s all a travesty of “news,” and “proof” that those agencies are contaminated by right-wing ideology say lefty detractors. So, with the news that George Soros is buying one hundred political “reporters” for National Public Radio (NPR), one waits with bated breath for the left to decry the fact that a famous anti-American leftist is buying and influencing the “news.”
Soros’ investment has brought results. In an example of brazen hypocrisy NPR has fired Juan Williams because Williams appeared on Fox News, and O’Reilly’s show in particular.
Soros has set about to attack the Tea Party.
It should be no surprise that multi-billionaire and globalist George Soros, born György Schwartz, known as “the man who broke the Bank of England,” has launched a new front to attack and discredit the Tea Parties on with his new website TeaPartyTracker.org. Soros is a staunch opponent to the Tea Party and their ideals of constitutionally limited government by the people.
Soros has his fingers in an astonishing number of left-wing and anti-American organizations including Media Matters, the Tides Foundation, the Center for American Progress and the Open Society Institute.
Soros most definitely intends to take control of the United States. Part of that effort is to control the Courts:
For a lesson in courtroom politics, have a look at Nevada, where a first salvo in a nationwide campaign to end state judicial elections will greet voters on the November ballot. According to the measure, the state would switch to the so-called Missouri plan for choosing judges—putting the responsibility for courts in the hands of a legal elite, instead of with voters or elected representatives.
Used by more than 30 states, the Missouri plan lets a judicial nominating commission select a limited slate of judicial candidates (usually two or three) from whom the Governor may choose. Though created in the name of protecting judges from political influence, it hasn’t worked out that way. States using this so-called merit selection method have had their judicial selections manipulated by lawyers and bar associations that nominate guild favorites. In most cases this has pushed courts to the activist left.
That’s a nifty outcome for liberal groups who see the state courts as the next frontier for moving political agendas. The Nevada initiative is part of a nationwide effort supported by George Soros, among others, to eliminate judicial elections in state courts. Through groups such as Justice at Stake, Mr. Soros’s Open Society Institute has spent some $45 million on the cause nationwide, according to numbers tracked by the American Justice Partnership. Former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor has emerged as an unofficial spokesman for the effort, but the big money is coming from the political left. Nevada is viewed as a test drive.
Another prong in the Soros pitchfork is aimed at taking control of the Secretaries of the States.
History’s most notorious Georgian-turned-Russian, the politically astute Joseph Stalin once remarked, “The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
The lesson has not been lost on the increasingly notorious Hungarian-cum-American George Soros.
A group backed by Soros is gearing up to steal the 2012 election for President Obama and congressional Democrats by installing left-wing Democrats as secretaries of state across the nation. From such posts, secretaries of state can help tilt the electoral playing field.
From the SOS PRoject website:
We are proud of our 2006 victory in Minnesota, where long time reformer Mark Ritchie pulled off a major upset with our support. He was later under fierce media and legal scrutiny as he oversaw the recount of the Franken/Coleman senatorial race. Ritchie operated with transparency and integrity, such that the Minnesota Supreme Court unanimously ruled to uphold the extremely close election results, finally sending Franken to the Senate where his vote has been much needed.
“Transparency and integrity”
Laughable, to say the least.
Let’s put this in perspective:
This is, of course, the same Soros, the same hyperpolitical left-wing philanthropist who makes no secret of his intention to destroy capitalism. In an interview with Der Spiegel last year, Soros said European-style socialism “is exactly what we need now. I am against market fundamentalism. I think this propaganda that government involvement is always bad has been very successful — but also very harmful to our society.”
And Soros’ SOS Project have produced results:
More significant than outrageous statements being made are the actions being taken.
As the Wall Street Journal noted the “corrections” being made favor Al Franken in such a way that raises suspicions about the integrity of the process being overseen by Ritchie. The Powerline blog has had a running commentary on one suspicious action after another which give the correction process a very blue tinge. Among the “irregularities” are:
- misplaced” ballots turning up in an official’s trunk;
- “errors” in reporting vote totals almost entirely for the Senate race and no others;
- many of the new numbers coming out of three small precincts;
- and so on.
That election was most curious.
A review of Minnesota’s statewide database of registered voters revealed at least 2,812 deceased individuals voted in last November’s general election, according to a new report by the “traditional values” advocacy group Minnesota Majority.
And the dead weren’t the only problem:
The six-month election recount that turned former “Saturday Night Live” comedian Al Franken into a U.S. senator may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally in Minnesota’s Twin Cities.
That’s the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman.
Franken won by 312 votes.
Soros also had a hand in something even bigger- magical even.
Enter George Soros Stage Left
Early in the summer of 2004, following Obama’s fortuitous primary victory, he got noticed by a mighty hefty Democrat donor, George Soros.
An article, written by Robert Bluey, of CNSNews.com, entitled: “Unlike Kerry, Obama Covets George Soros’ Support,” included this:
“Shortly after Soros equated the abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Obama joined him for a New York fund-raiser June 7.
“The event, held at Soros’ home, boosted Obama’s campaign at a time he was still facing a challenge from Republican Jack Ryan.”
And again, Soros’ investment is paying off:
President Obama is adept at rewarding those who put him into office. And hard-left financier George Soros is emerging as a leader of the patronage pack.
A payback to Soros was due. As the chief moneyman behind left-wing political action committees like MoveOn.org, Soros, an early supporter of Obama, played an instrumental role in drumming up voter mobilization and political advertising on the novice candidate’s behalf. In no small part, Obama’s triumph in the Democratic primary over better-known rivals was a testament to Soros’s deep pockets and his political commitment.
Now it’s time for Soros to collect on his investment. The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the Obama administration has committed up to $10 billion to Brazil’s state-owned oil company Petrobras to finance oil exploration off of Brazil’s coast.
Barack Obama has some strong competition for the title of “The Greatest Threat to America.”
I would say that the MAIN obstacle is Hitler’s ex butt boy himself
How is it that George Soros was allowed to become a citizen of this country? Why don’t the Israelis want to bring this Nazi collaborator to justice? His money has apparently bought him US citizenship and peace with the Israelis despite his proud assistance in the genocide of hundreds of his fellow Hungarian Jews.
The equalizer here is that death comes to all men and will surely put Soros in the grave. One hopes his ideals go there with him.
“Spooky Dude” – apologies to Beck.
George Soros— is he a citizen? I’ve heard he’s not, and if not, how is he allowed to contribute or in anyway be involved in our political system. He’s an evil character for sure who made and makes his money by shorting currencies. He also gets his monies worth from the Dems! He is the largest share holder in Brizoil co. that is drilling for oil in the gulf. Obama gave the company 2 billion dollars! So it seems that America or American related companies aren’t allowed to drill in the gulf, but we tax payers finance George Soros to do what we can’t. Does any of this make ANYONE anywhere mad, someone needs to be impeached and sent to a 6by6 with a cell mate named Bubba.
The United States needs to deal with Soros..Kick him the fu_k out of our Country and our business!
A class guy from a class family!!!! Don’t look for CNN to cover any of this!!!
What a pathetic example of a human being. He is an oxygen waster to the Nth degree.
Any way you could correct the grammar in that photoshop?
The scary part is the resources Soros has. That’s what makes him dangerous.
Oh, I dunno, Wm T…. almost like a roundabout statement on the far reaching effects of Wm Ayers’ concertive efforts to “total” (as in car wreck) public education via his “social justice” agenda, don’t ya think? Scary to think the dumbing down ends up crossing political think. The difference is the political rebels still get the train of thought right, if not the execution INRE communicating that rebellion.
Now, with apologies to the photobucket author(ess?), “lovee” (I do so hate to tamper with creative artistry… even with flaws…), I’ve provided you with a grammatical correction below. Yup… I agree this stuff can be somewhat irritating, yes? But credit for it’s creation still belongs to “lovee”. Intent is good, even if grasp of correct verbiage plurality is not.
Oh yes.. to give software credit where credit is due, it’s Paint Pro X instead of Photoshop.
Sociopath? Psychopath? Maybe both.
DrJohn, I might be prejudicial, but this is your best to date. Well done, thourghly researced, it was well done indeed! This guy should be under investigation; as well as his faithful little puppet. Hammer away, the more the public knows about these two, the sooner we and the rest of the world will have justice.
Yep. And the current Pope was a member of Hitler Youth.
I think many people today have difficulty grasping how totally screwed up every aspect of that nightmare period of European history actually was, how incredibly difficult it was for children growing up in the middle of it all to fully comprehend what was going on around them, and how hard it must have been for them to establish a set of moral bearings in a world gone totally insane.
@ Greg, Oskar Schindler was from that same era.
Oskar Schindler was an adult in 1944, born in 1908.
@Greg: You said:
Well Pope Benedict XVI somehow seemed to find his moral compass. Besides, he did not willingly participate in the Hitler Youth movement.
So you see, there is a HUGE difference between Pope Benedict and Soros. The Pope was forced to be in the Hitler Youth movement, whereas by his own admission, Soros not only willingly, but GLEEFULLY assisted in the advancement of Hitler atrocities against his own fellow countrymen and fellow Jews.
@Greg: You also said:
So what you are saying is that he would not have any problems finding his moral bearings simply because he was already an adult?
Or are you saying that Schindler wasn’t affected by what was happening around him because he was born in 1908?
Even if he was 36 at the time, like many adults in that era Schindler was faced with an evil the modern world had not seen before. He was most definitely a product of his times and to say that he was an adult, so he didn’t face the same moral dilemmas as children then is just silly.
anticsrocks: hi, that war was dealt with like a war, and won, now if we can do the same with this war, it would be
won,like yesterday. bye
I love the depiction. It is so right on. Obama is too dumb to think for himself, and the treachery goes further. The entire upper echelon of the D party knew this and thereby, with him as POSOUS, they could essentially call the shots. Never with HRC. Look how brazen Pelosi was with her idiocy.
Why is anyone a Democrat?
No, my point had to do with how difficult it would have been for children growing up in that era to sort things out. Not only was the world around them horribly distorted; those moral distortions were deliberate, with a culture-wide effort to instill them into the population. Even adults, whose values were established outside and before the context of the Nazi state, most commonly failed to make the good moral choices. How much harder would it have been for a child? The simple matter of personal survival was an ever-present question. Who would a child want to identify with? To what extent should children be blamed for what adults did to the world?
I watched a topical movie a couple of nights back, btw: The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas. It’s a serious and well-constructed film that I won’t recommend, because it’s so difficult to watch through to its unhappy conclusion. It rings true, though. What that era did to children is the central theme.
@Greg:
My ex mother-in-law was from just outside of Berlin and a child of a doctor that eventually became a Nazi Dr. Her story was that in the beginning the Nazis were good, eventually her father was expected to do things he didn’t want to do, she never went beyond that by explaining what it was, she may not have known the extent of it. He contracted a disease and let himself die, can’t remember what it was but she said he wouldn’t take medication, he wanted to die and he did in a short period of time.
She told us how the neighborhood children would throw rotten vegetables at her if she was out so she stayed inside most of the time. She was 18 when she met my father-in-law, he was on burial detail, she became his war bride. She hated him throughout the whole marriage but he was her escape to America.
The first time I tried beets baby food on my first child, she freaked out and demanded that I never feed my baby beets in front of her again, one of the vegetables thrown at her was rotten beets. She also hated German Shepherds because she said the Americans left them behind and they attacked people. The first time she came to see our first born, my dog bit her.
She’s still alive, living in Long Beach, CA and no longer sends me fruitcakes for Christmas. JFYI
Nice one Atti!
Schindler was a hero who faced a terrible death every day.
Soros was an opportunist who worked the system to his own advantage: a system he maintains to this day.
@Skookum 2:
I’ve witnessed that in couple of successful immigrants that we have come to know over the years. They know how to work the system to their advantage, money is everything and they are ruthless. I’m sure if they could would replicate everything Soros did.
@ilovebees – You are so right. Our military philosophy when it comes to war should be to win, win big and win fast and THEN go for the “hearts and minds.”
CURT: hi, that spinning wheel is always spinning,doesn’t stop. has been doing it for a long time too.
bye
anticsrock; hi, the top command is not equipte mentally to win, the UN are zero on every facets
of that war, there is one or more element that is hidden from us, eventualy we will find it, I feel there is a protection racket going on, and very profitable to those on top of that NATO WAR.
they have to many leads in it, and it help to hide the reason why it goes like that indefinitly.
bye
Greg, I have read your posts on this site many times. Sometimes they are reasoned but you never fail to toe the party line. Giving Soros a pass on his zealous Nazi participation because he consistently funds your favorite organizations is a step beyond the line and utterly demolishes your credibility and integrity. Soros would join hands with the Devil if he thought it would advance his socialist dreams. There was no question what was going on in Hungary at that time and there was no question that every Jew including Soros and his family members know the game. Child or not, he had to be aware of what was going on. They traded their fellow Jews for their own well being and Soros celebrated that trade and celebrates it to this day. The Soros quote shows both honesty and evil and an unrepentant attitude toward the atrocities in which he and his father were complicit. Your justification for Soros nearly made me vomit and illustrates once again the situational ethics and moral relativism that unfortunately characterize the left. The idea of personal responsibility gives way to any contrived excuse or any claim of victimization. Anything goes so long as it advances your agenda. I feel very sorry for you. You have no moral compass, just an blinding ideology. George Soros is a despicable creature who will lose in the end and there is no justification on earth for what he did and why he did it. History is full of folks who stepped up when the going was rough and stood by their principles. Patrick Henry comes to mind. It is also full of Quislings who lacking moral fiber, compromise human morality for the sake of their own skins or for lucre. Soros did and does both. Enjoy your ride on his train. It will never, ever arrive at the station.
I too saw the Boy in the Striped Pajamas and more than anything else it illustrates the rewards of depravity and illustrates them full well. The German boy had no difficulty making the choice and that is the moral of the story.
Disturber
Missy#25 I find your statement despicable Do you believe all or most legal immigrants game the system and in some way are not as worthy as you,or did I misinterpret your comment?
My experiEnce in business and as a Marine Officer is the large majority work very hard and are extremely appreciative of the opportunities our country offers them.
@ Disturber, #29:
I don’t believe I’m qualified to give Soros a pass or judge him unrepentant, either one. I don’t know enough about him. For all I know, he may view his advocacy of progressive causes as a way of seeking repentance.
Nor do you know me well enough to conclude that I lack a moral compass, though you’re correct in your observation that situation ethics is part of the mix. I likely owe that to having attended an Episcopalian high school during the late 1960s. Ethics and religion classes were a standard part of the curriculum. The principles of situational ethics and moral relativism–as I believe you’re defining it here–are two entirely different things.
@Disturber – Didn’t you know? Greg is NEVER wrong – just ask him…
He always leaves himself a bit of “wiggle room” so that he can claim that you misunderstood him, or misinterpreted him, or that wasn’t what he said…..I mean his excuses go on ad nauseam, but one thing is constant: he is never wrong.
Disturber is right about Soros and you Greg. Possible repentance? The only person you are fooling with that lie is yourself. Soros stated he has no guilt. To make matters worse, he wants to impose a system that is a kissing cousin of the one he was allowed to survive in.
I’d say Soros is a Megalomaniac. You Greg are just mindless and pathetic.
@rich wheeler:
What is it about “a couple” that you can’t comprehend?
Good for you, the two I was referring to also have mob ties, I suppose you don’t have much exposure to that in the Marines.
Disturber: hi, YOUr right, It show that he “SOROS” lost his SOUL in there,
and never recovered it in repentance,;
LIKE IT is written; WHAT good is to WIN THE UNIVERSE if you loose your soul,
IT’S the pack he made with the devil for sure,and someone said the EQUALIZER,
will he see when he die,
MISSY: hi, I have notice also many times what you mentioned, here they found AN agent who get pay a lot of money to provide an address to non immigrant, he was found to put 18 on the same address, A trick they do is buy a house and use the address, and it is done a lot more than we think
I was told by credible high profile people. bye
@ Wm T SHerman #9
I certainly understand why you feel that way and I most definitely saw the defect in the picture but I hesitated to alter it. I am not certain of the photobucket or blog etiquette regarding those images. Unlike the “Enemy of the State” movie poster, this one is borrowed and I would be altering someone else’s work and it would not track back to the proper library in properties. And yet, it was appropriate.
So I am listening if anyone has any advice to offer.
@Skookum 2- Thanks!
The world has seen plenty of his kind before …
Think Soros has any plans to dine at Spark’s Steakhouse anytime soon? lol He and Carlo Gambino have a lot in common.
Greg, I would recommend you watch Frank Capra’s Why We Fight: Prelude to War for a glimpse into how the Nazis warped Germany. Actually how fascists warped all of Europe. They outlawed all other youth organisations like the Boy Scouts and has been noted made Hitler Jungen participation mandatory just like the Soviet Young Pioneers was mandatory.
Why was Hungary invaded by the Nazis in 1944? Could it be because Hugary was an Axis ally who sent it’s soldiers to invade the USSR alongside the Whermact and so was not invaded? The answer is yes. Since 1941 Hungarian Jews had been oppressed and even deported, but it was when Hungary was invaded by the Nazis that the deportations to death camps cranked up. In 10 months, the Jewish population of Hungary dropped from over 725,000 to barely 260,000.
By dragging in Ratzinger Greg you try the old canard of ‘everyone did it.’ I guess its beneath your notice that Ratzinger deserted the German Army and the penalty for such desertion if recaptured was death. Also missing from your review of resistence is the White Rose, a group of young Germans who dared to oppose Hitler’s evils and paid the ultimate price by being murdered. Or a Berlin woman who hid a Jewish man in her house. Or another Oskar, Oskar Rabe who was cowed into silence about Japanese atrocities in China even though he was a card carrying Nazi. You see there were Germans who did oppose evil, the problem was the Nazi’s evil was already entrenched because people had earlier allowed that evil to get a foothold. It seems there are people in this modern world who are just as willing to let evil flourish and each and everyone of us has to ask ourselves this question: do I let this evil stand unopposed? If you are a just person, the answer will be an emphatic no.
Greg,
You claim that you are not qualified to give Soros a pass but that is exactly what you did. True, I don’t know you other than from your posts on this site. However, I stand by my comments as I have read many of your posts. They are consistently ideologically driven, inevitably far left, and whenever there is a conflict with basic morality and fundamental ethics and the progressive point of view, you compromise these for the cause. I think a vigorous debate is useful and should be encouraged. However, we have to start with some fundamental principles and one of those in my mind is that there is no excuse whatsoever for the killing of human beings because of their beliefs. I have many others, but that one should be easy. Once you find a way to excuse such conduct, it is all over in my mind and we have nothing in common.
Disturber
@ Greg,
I do not practice either. My sense of ethics and morals is non-negotiable and not on a sliding scale.
2 + 2 = 4 in any given situation and not whatever you want it to be. Your sense of moral relativism and situational ethics seems to be a character trait that sets folks apart and I choose not to associate with folks that use the sliding scale because you never know when they are telling the truth.
I have bought cattle or horses based upon a handshake and a handwritten bill of sale in my neck of the woods. Troopers have followed me into very risky situations based upon trust. It’s about integrity and that cannot EVER be situational or relative. That’s where We appear to differ and will continue to disagree.
I cannot give Soros a pass on anything.
You see, Greg, you just don’t get it. The conflict between the left and the right makes sense when they play by the same rules. The left in this country has degenerated into a cadre of condescending elitists who not only know what is good for the rest of us, but seek to impose that “good” on us by force, if necessary. Those of us on the conservative side value the individual over the group, the nuance over the ideology, and the freedom to be what we can without any help from our friends in government. We value our integrity and we are responsible for what we do. I was struck by the contrast between the condition of the Capitol Mall after the Beck rally and the trashing of the Mall both after the Obama inauguration and after the Sharpton etc. rally. I am not a big fan of Beck’s, but one could not have been but impressed that those that attended took such pride in our country and its monuments that there wasn’t a scrap of paper on the ground. The Obama and Sharpton folks used the Mall as their personal toilets.
I would go into battle with a fellow like Old Trooper without hesitation. I know he would have my back and if he said these are the rules, I would know that the rules wouldn’t change to fit the circumstances. I wouldn’t trust you for a millisecond, as you would sacrifice me and anyone else in order to achieve your political ends.
This country is in big trouble. We either take the bull by the horns and get rid of those who brought us to this point, or we leave the same characters in charge notwithstanding that they haven’t had a good idea for ages. Not that there isn’t enough blame to go around and not that the conservative side hasn’t had its failures. However, it is clear that the folks presently in charge, starting with Obama and going down through Pelosi, Reid, etc. etc. are complete and utter failures. It is telling that there is barely a single Democrat running on the Obama record and it is further telling that the entire Democratic strategy in this election is based on the politics of personal destruction. This is all they have, for this administration is an abject failure.
This country was formed on the basis of some very enlightened principles. Yes government has a role and a considerable role. But it not the function of government to insert its tentacles into every nook and cranny of its citizens’ lives. It is not the function of government to create a political class that grows wealthy over their contacts with those in power or who trade political support for economic favors. It is not the function of government to advantage government personnel with economic rewards that dwarf those available to the workers in the public sector because the public sector unions elect the politicians and the politicians return the favor. This is all coming to an end. It won’t be over nite as the mess is wide and deep, but it will happen because there are enough of us who believe in American exceptionalism and further believe that the political system which is the bedrock of this nation is good and works well when run by honest people.
Situational ethics and moral relativism are the hallmark of this administration and you either embrace it or you reject it. There is no middle ground and there are no excuses. Obama will say anything that he believes will sway the listeners. He is unbounded by the truth. He is unlimited by any ethical principles. Whatever morality he has bends and shifts with the occasion. I haven’t a clue what he believes and I seriously doubt if he has any core beliefs. And the sad thing is that he exemplifies the American progressives.
The democrats are going to take a pounding in this election and this will be a repudiation of the crap that they have been foisting on us. The successes of those of us who oppose what has been going on is going to embolden us further. We are going to hold the feet of those we elect to the fire, and we will dump them like hot rocks if they assimilate into the cesspool that is now Washington. We have had enough of personality cults. We have had enough of empty suits. And we have had enough of lairs and cheats. Call me Senator, General, I worked hard for this title. Bull shit.
Disturber
@ Old Trooper 2, #42:
I believe what you object to, Old Trooper 2, is moral relativism. Moral relativists reject the idea that there are universal moral principles. For those who always put themselves first, it provides license to do and rationalize just about anything.
Situational ethics, on the other hand, places high value on the traditional moral principles, but states that one’s moral choices should be guided within that context by love and compassion. Agapē would be the word an Episcopalian would use. Trying to act with love and compassion is of higher priority than blind adherence to a rule or commandment.
If one could only feed a starving child by stealing a loaf of bread from the baker’s rack, for example, one would be justified in breaking the commandment to do so. The act of theft is still wrong, but the correct moral decision in that hypothetical situation might be to commit the theft anyway.
That doesn’t give anyone license. In the absence of a choice of the greater good, or between lesser evils, the traditional moral rule concerning theft stands. With situational ethics, the individual remains responsible and accountable for his decisions, actions, and inactions.
None of which has any direct bearing on the matter of Soros.
Greg #44 Outstanding!
Re Soros Nothing can excuse his actions against fellow Jews during WW11 and his apparent lack of remorse or repentance.
His short positions in currency trading are neither illegal or immoral.It goes on every day at Goldman Sachs J.P. Morgan etc.
Like philanthropists Gates and Buffett he gives multi millions to many worthy causes.
imho He does not have the massive influence over BHO and the Dem. party that the far right give him credit for.Believe me he has no power over moderate Dems like myself.His negatives FAR outweigh his positives.
Missy #25 You didn’t say “a couple” or an “immigrant couple” merely couple of immigrants.Therefore the misunderstanding.
GREG: hi, I think if a person steal a bread, it does not justified it, even if he feed the child,
HE is a thief, and many peoples have that morality to justify their actions, and it’s more likely to happen in GOVERNMENT dealing with the AMERICANS money, they will spend and say It’s for helping this or that, but never wil dig in their own pocket for the cause they choose,
I had that happen to me and others I know,where a person borrow money for the most important need they say, and spend it with their friends saying they needed some of it,
yes that mentalty is florishing more and more, using the hard earn money that don’t belong to you,
If we put some people in control of our money we better know who they are and what VALUES they represent so we dont get surprise after it spent.
I think Greg wants us all to mis-conflate moral relativism with moral equivalence.
IF a Christian steals to feed his child he fully expects to pay the complete price when he is caught.
Waiting on God is much more likely to be his choice, however.
There is no escape from the consequences of one’s actions.
NOTHING Soros has done with his riches justifies what he did to to the millions of poor people whose money lost its value so he could become rich.
@RichWeeler, how is it that this POS Nazi has an apartment on 5th Ave directly across from MMOA, and is still alive. In France, the poor women who had dates with the N soldiers had their heads shaved. I can understand them, but Soros is lower than pig dung. Why don’t we see him on E network, or Inside Edition and the like? Never mind the NYT and NBC and ABC and CNN and CBS – we know what whores they are. So how does the POS get away with his enemy-of-the-USA status?? Oh, and I forgot the occasional BJs he gets from NPR.
Disturber, I am going to save your last post when i get back to the states on my own “modern” computer. It was very well written, thank you.
I can only be responsible for my own actions. I have never turned anyone hungry away from my table and send 40 head of prime beef to the Sioux Tribes in the Dakotas for Winter Beef every Fall. That is done anonymously as charitable acts are done for the good on those on the receiving end and not to embellish my self esteem. I don’t take the tax break on it either.
I have never collaborated in the actions of others that swindled anyone nor can I condone charitable acts by those that have as a balancing act. I answer to my own conscience so I reckon that I’m done on this thread. I try to live my life so that when I meet My Maker the books require no cooking or excuses.
The first is a bizarre hypothetical, Greg, and smacks of lack of personal experience. It does make me wonder if you’ve ever had even the slightest brush with faith or religion.
Would those of faith feel the need to “steal” food to feed their children? Or would they turn to those of the same faith, knowing they would receive what they needed… as they were taught in their religions… even from those with little to spare and share? And, in turn, they would give back in what ways they could in thanks and appreciation. Or, as the movie likes to call it, “pay it forward”.
Nan G has the most likely response to “starving children” correct. And BTW, I even had to laugh at your predictable choice of set up… the typical “staving children” bit. There are no depths so low, apparently…. even in made up scenerios… to make your political point.
What I believe is that your hypothetical is nothing more than philosophical fodder and Humanity 101 college speak, sans any basis in real exposure. Those of faith would not be stealing what is not theirs, but would be “waiting on God”… who manifests help in the form of other charitable humans giving of themselves (hence the word “charity” and not “government mandates”…). This is just the same as those around the world have experienced over and over with America’s charitable giving in times of need – despite religious or political differences, or even personal economic status.
Just to clarify the “humanity college speak 101″ crap: you (Greg) said
Only those who don’t experience absolute and unconditional charity can come up with such absurd and lofty “explanations” and human “categories”. As OT2 says, his morals are non-negotiable. Therefore, only those that *do* bargain with their personal morals come up with this crap, by way of explaining their own lack of convictions. Not to mention their love of class/category warfare.
Rich wheeler again proves what we say about the left. They support a fellow leftist no matter what crimes they commit (Soros), are major hypocrites, and they are massively self deluded. Rich actually thinks he’s a moderate! They have anti-psychotics for that sort of thing RW.
Like GREG, RW has never gone against party line that I can recall. Yet he claims not to believe in the very things he defends.
Here is proof that Soros is a CONVICTED criminal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/business/worldbusiness/14iht-soros.1974397.html
Another crime he was fined for.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/soros-caught-manipulating-hungarian-market
I also like how in one breath the left attacks greedy capitalists as the root of the housing collapse and credit industry, yet gives Soros a pass (and Frank, and Schumer..and obama…).
Just for good measure:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/shocker-soros-funded-fake-iraq-body-count
@ MataHarley, #51 & 52:
It isn’t a matter of “bargaining with one’s morals”. It’s a matter of trying to stay true to the reason we have codified moral principles in the first place. An imperfect world has a way of presenting moral dilemmas.
It’s a classic instructive example, straight out of an Episcopalian ethics class. That “bizarre hypothetical” dilemma has never presented itself in my life and probably never will. (That assumption being based either on faith or foolishness.) On the other hand, the 6th commandment crossed my mind as I was preparing to go to Vietnam. Nothing struck me as hypothetical about that one. There were competing principles in the balance. I chose and went. Not without thinking about it. Maybe a year in Fr. Ramos’s Ethics classroom helped.
I really don’t know what to say about “waiting on God”. Maybe God sometimes waits on us to decide? I don’t pretend to know.
I respect OT2 for his non-negotiable principles, btw. He’s got his views and the integrity to stick to them. Nothing he said in #50 surprised me in the least.
You still don’t get it, do you Greg? You can’t “codify” and or “categorize” and or “classify” morals. Most especially into two speparate “codes, categories, or classifications”. Morals are either a part of you, or they aren’t. Those of you that attend “higher” learning may try to ‘splain them away, anyway you can, but it’s still beyond your grasp unless you possess them yourselves.
I’d say your 1st sentence just reinforces my first assertation. Your second paragraph is simply an admittance of what I keep saying about you. Unless you possess a sense of morality, to which you remain true, you’ll never understand categorizing a “compromise” of those morals, nor the community of faith that needs no government mandate to eliminate the need for someone to “steal” a loaf of bread to feed their child.
As we all do, Greg. However why you’d think he’s alone in his “non-negotiable principles” will remain an enigma.
Off on a redeye for family emergency. Carry on in my absence, as I know you will, oh FA friends.
@rich wheeler: Just because Soros is super wealthy enough to give to some possibly well meaning organizations doesn’t mean he has no agenda for America.
He founded the Open Society Institute which channels monies to individuals and organizations that espouse beliefs that support Soros’ agenda.
So Soros wields no power over Obama and the Dems? Looks like you are wrong again, rich wheeler.
anticrocks,atti and hardright(a perfect moniker).Lets be very clear.I am no fan of Soros.
The raging hard on you all have for him probably brings him much glee. The power and influence you credit him with brings a new Oliver Stone movie to mind.Politics is by nature a dirty game.You think Repubs don’t have similar bad actors.You forgotten the Swift Boaters.
Why waste so much hatred on Soros. He ain’t worth it.It ‘s probably more fun to call me a wannabe fascist,communist,socialist etc.As mentioned I believe the HARDRIGHT’s belligerance and stupidity(re. birthers) will bring a backlash leading to Tea Party Senatorial defeats in Delaware,Nevada,Pennsylvania and possibly Colorado and Alaska.Sarah will never win an election outside of Alaska.
I predict the Tea Party will be powerless by 2012.That should get a good argument.
Semper Fi,
Wheeler
@rich wheeler: It is evident that you are unable to read. Or at least it seems that way because you avoided every point I made in post #56.
Why do you continue to support Soros by claiming he has no power? There is irrefutable evidence that he does wield power in the far left’s agenda and he is extending that into the Democratic Party.
You said:
And I am assuming you meant that as a question.
Let’s see:
Swift Boaters=a group of veterans that wanted to set the record straight about the lies John Kerry told about his service in Viet Nam.
Soros=a multi-billionaire who admits to participating in aiding in carrying out atrocities against his fellow countrymen and fellow Jews, and is also on record (as I pointed out in post #56) funding far left agencies set on tearing down the United States of America
You equate those two?
By the way, since when is shedding light on someone’s activities considered hatred?
@ MataHarley, #55:
I don’t think that, actually.
I always wonder how ethical people with non-negotiable principles resolve situations where two of those principles come into direct conflict. My theory is that some elements of situational ethics come into play, though they may not define the deliberation of heart and mind in such terms.
The problem isn’t always the lack of a will to do what’s right. Sometimes it’s figuring out what the right thing is. The more complex and interrelated the affairs of the world become, the harder that gets.
Bullshit. If you have a good moral compass and you know what is right, then the answer is always there. No moral equivocation needed. The right thing to do is almost never the easiest thing to do. Those on the left need to learn that.
@antics
Everything for them is a grey area. There is no absolute wrong or right.
You are correct, however. Having a solid, moral base from which to draw on, one can typically make the right choices, however hard those choices might be.
There are absolute rights and wrongs–on the compass. The world you’ve got to use it to navigate through is where you find the grey areas.
I can leave the ‘creation ‘of grey areas’ to the morally challenged. My Personal absolutes have served me well over the years and in some very tough locales. It woyld appear that there are some rather lucrative Career Opportunities in the manufacture of ‘grey areas’ but I already have a job.
Greg, either something is right or it isn’t. No gray areas, sorry.
George Soros has family, two sons and a daughter, and is not alone. His older brother Paul Soros emigrated to New York just prior to the anti-Soviet tanks in the streets upsising in Budapest Hungary. Fluent in Hungarian, German, English and Esperanto, very important within the Soros strategic structure, he touted a degree in machanical engineering, forged sheepskin, bandering about terms read in the magazine Popular Mechanics and got private placement funding (OPM) to set up a dock cleaning company sweeping and scrubbing the wharfs of Mamhattan and Brooklyn. With cheap labor fleeing Communist Hungary flooding NYC he paid those poor non-English speaking sops money in bags of coin after working ten to twelve hours with bloom and mop. Today Paul, looks of a silver haired Liberace, is a billionaire philanthepist donating time and money to the musical and dramatic arts.
Megalomania must run deep within the Soros family genes which indicates the sons must be being groomed for government power. Perhaps this trait goes back to the Hapsburg Dynasty, proponents of a single language Europe, and the desire for monarchy rule, remember monarchy is just Socialism with a small “s”.
missing post, P&T
soothsayer one, hi, I sure hope AMERICA remain the OBSTACLE for them
as long as AMERICAN beleive in the CONSTITUTION unique among the COUNTRYS of the PLANET,
the WORLD ORDER IS A UTOPIA and there is no chance to achieve it, among GOD LOVING PEOPLE
from all theWORLD, because they see what is the AGENDA of the ORGANISATION,
and DESPISE it.
No intention here to appear anti-semitic, this dude is a Zionist true long-term lover of Israel, but there is no history of an European Jewish royal family so I, not totally alone here, believe one of the intrinsic motivators for Karl Marx was to replace the old order of Catholic or Protestant based royalty with a substitute equally powerful within Europe that would eventually have a global reach. George Soros, a puppet himself controlled by Big Oil, has royalist monarchial asperations for his children wearing an, in their future, America crown.
anticsrocks that is the true description of a TRAITOR of AMERICA,
the FBI, must have a big multi page dossier on him, It’s a matter of time when he will go in a life emprisonment term,