The arrogance and condescension of this man knows no bounds. The country is all cowards now:
WEST NEWTON, Mass. – President Barack Obama said Americans’ “fear and frustration” is to blame for an intense midterm election cycle that threatens to derail the Democratic agenda.
“Part of the reason that our politics seems so tough right now and facts and science and argument does not seem to be winning the day all the time is because we’re hardwired not to always think clearly when we’re scared,” Obama said Saturday evening in remarks at a small Democratic fundraiser Saturday evening. “And the country’s scared.”
Obama told the several dozen donors that he was offering them his “view from the Oval Office.” He faulted the economic downturn for Americans’ inability to “think clearly” and said the burden is on Democrats “to break through the fear and the frustration people are feeling.”
Read that again.
So what he is saying is that he never realized how ignorant and scared the people of this country are and he made the mistake to assume that we were all a little bit smarter than that.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by this seeing as how the Democrats have always viewed the public as being unable to run their own lives. The government will take care of you since you’re too retarded to figure this thing out we call life. You make good money? Well gosh darn it, the government knows you won’t send any extra cash to charities and such so they will confiscate that cash and give it to those they deem more worthy than you.
Speaking of which, left unanswered (and probably unasked) – are people hard-wired to think clearly while euphoric about the possibility of hope and change? I’d hate to think Obama ran an emotionally manipulative campaign what seems like two eons ago.
Heh
This man has now gone well beyond Jimmy Carter as the worst, absolute worst President evah!
More here
And Barry had never read ‘How to Win and Influence People.’ I guess he was too busy cramming the Cliff-Note version of Saul Alinsky.
Keep insulting the people who pay your salary Barry. Please double down on this tactic. Napolean said never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake so please Barry stay tone deaf.
“They came on in the same old way and we sent them back in the same old way.” Wellington after applying Napolean’s lesson.
This man is so done that I can’t even put into words any longer his raging affirmative action incompetence, and frankly his entire ascension in politics will forever more become the best living and breathing argument against elevating minorities through the system through affirmative action.
they come out of the system unprepared for the jobs and tasks they are given when they emerge totally unfit for command of a freaking motorboat much less the Queen Mary of nations. Sadly after this display it’ll probably be another 200 years before an AA is ever elected president even though he’s faked that distinction as well as was confirmed by his closer blood relation to Rush and Sarah than Martin or or any other AA of any historical significance.
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Maybe we need a good Kenyan witch doctor to fix us up. The jivemaster ain’t what he used to be is he.
The evidence that too many Americans do not think clearly was the fact this clown and his bolshevik gang (The real vast Communist Conspiracy) got elected — and the only thing they countered him with was mclame!
How about a nice friendly “screw you and that DemonRat ASS you rode in on.”
And don’t for a moment think there isn’t an appeal in that message to black voters, too.
I remember the first time I saw the photo of Obama’s main speechwriter, Jon Favreau, so drunk he was fondling the cardboard cutout of their then-opponent, Hillary Clinton.
I thought: Obama’s got to fire that speechwriter now!
But he didn’t.
Hasn’t even yet!
He is still his main speechwriter…..straw men and all.
What is his hold on Obama?
Is there some blackmail involved?
He’s NOT a very good speechwriter.
Well, he wrote a couple of good ones a couple years ago.
Weird.
I agree that there was not some clear thinking going on. Unfortunately that was the reason this clown got elected. He shoveled and sadly the press feel in love with it and failed to realize what was in the shovel. America is now thinking more clearly, they no lonber believe the MSM who failed to tell them about the incompetenece of 0-bama and the Democrats, and most importantly will speak with a clear voice come November.
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Is it any wonder that Hillary, on November 2nd, will be a million miles away touring Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea? She’s making sure the landslide doesn’t dirty her shoes.
Meanwhile, husband Bill is out on the stump campaigning to support anyone who supported his wife for the leadership of the party. What a mess this President is creating. It’s a sad spectacle to watch, and none of it is helpful to a country struggling toward economic recovery.
Americans don’t even realize how stupid they are. That’s why we need Barack Obama.
Obama is 53% right. The stupid ones elected him.
I think of that old pic of Mussolini every time i see this..
@ James Raider, the Carpetbagging Clintons smell blood in the water and as Obama has his rats deserting his sinking ship, that was somewhat predictable. Putting a new coat of paint on the Clinton Used Car will not make it a more desirable purchase.
I smell a change of Regime in the air and it smells like the triage tent at an Evac Hospital. Antiseptic, fresh dressings for the Nation’s wounds and I hear a fife and drum playing the sound track. Saving the Republic is what is going on and there will be casualties but only arrogant incumbents need to go under the blade at the ballot box so that Patriots can step up to bury them and get on with the restoration of the Republic.
I completely agree that fear and frustration are blocking clarity of thought.
Fear and frustration have been encouraged and used to that end in a cynically calculating, methodical fashion. That’s the central element of the republican strategy to regain the upper hand.
A clear and detailed laying out of an alternative set of economic and social policies before the American people plays absolutely no part in their strategy, because they haven’t got any such thing.
If you doubt that statement, take 10 minutes and try to outline the specific details of what Obama’s opponents are selling. See if you can come up with something that both adds up, and is in the long-term interest of the average American citizen.
(You might start by asking yourself how it will be possible to balance the federal budget while simultaneously enacting another round of high-end tax cuts that will reduce federal revenues by $4 trillion over the next 10 years–without flushing Social Security, Medicare, and other social programs mainstream America relies upon down the toilet.)
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Greg, Greg, you tool. Social Security and Medicare were flushed down the toilet years ago when they were set on the path of insolvency. The Social Security Trust Fund was looted by Federal “borrowing” starting in the Johnson Administration and is essentially insolvent. Medicare costs ten times as much as was promised and also is essentially insolvent. Now Obamacare is gutting what’s left of Medicare to offset the cost of yet another doomed social program. They are already gone, finished, toast.
Like most people, I know full well I will never get out what I paid in. Like many people, I would happily forgo any future claim on the system by not having to pay any more SS or Medicare taxes. Just keep what you took, fellows, I won’t even ask for a partial refund. But, just don’t take any more.
The above is background, not a program.
But, against this background, the Republicans have in fact offered detailed proposals. Remember the Healthcare summit and the other meetings: The Obama/Democrat response to Republican proposals: “I won” (i.e., “Get bent”), and the literal extending of Obama’s middle finger. No compromise from the Democrats whatsoever.
Balancing the budget (actually just cutting the deficit) requires cutting spending. Period. Rolling back the Healthcare monstrosity, halting the stimulus spending – these are a good start.
And more than anything – stop cultivating FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) in the private sector with wild social engineering experiments in the middle of a depression. The private sector is where the new jobs and tax revenue are going to come from, and right now they quite rightly don’t trust the business environment. They are sitting on at least 1.5 trillion in cash that they don’t want to spend right now. See, we don’t even have to spend any big government money to make that better – just halt all the wild-ass crazy stuff like cap and trade, and the doomed ‘healthcare’ bill, and the million little business-hostile speeches and initiatives, and businesses will spend big money themselves, and use it to actually create jobs. Give them some idea of what to expect from the government in the next 5-10 years.
@ drjohn, a broken clock gets it right twice a day. Obama hasn’t been right once a day but Greg and that clown Tom are waiting for that event …before the Free Ice Cream runs out.
@ Greg,
All things considered, the single most critical element America wants, and much of the world is looking for, is a President who will NOT continually attack business. . . . Please notice I didn’t say Wall Street, but business.
From there, it will be a long struggle to bring the country back to health, and that will have to require enormous cuts in all spending. You seem to refuse to accept, or ignore, the simple fact that healthy independent businesses, small, medium and large, are the source of America’s success. If you must have government-and-thug majority control of businesses and industry, China and Russia provide you an ideal alternative for residence.
Democrat and Republican Pols in Congress and the White House have screwed up in the past, but nothing compares to what has occurred in the past 2 years. With leadership from the Oval Office and from California on the assault, all business has been under attack. Obama is obviously daring the new upcoming Republican majority in Congress to attempt passing anything his uninformed mind rails against. He will no doubt continue his divisive strategy, and further polarize the country until 2012.
feh… what a bunch of hypocritical hooey you spew, Greg.
You mean the fear like Obama using fear to pass his ARRA/stimulus package, saying it’s failure to pass to “plunge the nation into an even longer, perhaps irreversible recession…” From a AP article Feb 2009:
The same thrust of fear for public support for the stimulus from American Thinker’s Monte Kuligowski:
… right. He got what he wanted. So how’s that stimulus working out for you? Or are you desperately clinging to alternative universes that promise… again using fear… of how much worse it would have been if we hadn’t piled on almost a tril of debt, and paid temporary payroll for states overspending as irresponsibility as Congress?
And let’s talk about using “fear” as a campaign point. You mean like the dictates of the WH for the incumbents to campaign not on their legislative “accomplishments”, but on fear of GOP power? Yahoo/CQ Politics from Aug 2010:
Yeah, no “fear” there. Amnesia on the part of Obama/Pelosi/Reid and the fact that the explosion of spending and debt has occurred since they took supermajority in 2007.
How about Obama using the Social Security anniversary to accuse the GOP of trying to “destroy” Social Security? This accusation of GOP privitization is, of course, an outright lie.
Just like Obama and Axelrod’s outright lie about foreign campaign funds from the US Chamber of Commerce.
You’re a joke, Greg. Normally you parrot talking points with some modicum of credibility. This one? You’re holier than thou type of ‘tude is quite amusing.
But then again, considering that the thrust of this post is about Obama believing you, one of his supporters, is simply too stunned and stupid to think clearly, you may just have made his point.
Not me, guy. I want the money I paid for health insurance I couldn’t have until I’m 65, and a “pension” plan that Congress has been busy spending since it’s implementation in 1970 (first paid out benefits, five years after bill enactment… think those people paid enough in?)
To let them keep it just to have a pass on additional taxes now is like telling the bank robber he can keep his booty if he promises not to rob the same bank again. Theft is theft, and should not go unpunished, and without recompensation and recourse.
@ Wm T SHerman, #33:
Have I got this right?
(1) Social Security is doomed to go bust. Forget about it. It was always a bad idea.
(2) Ditto, regarding Medicare.
(3) Nobody is talking much about it, but the same goes for the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation. (Hey, people should have worked for private concerns that kept their promises.)
(4) Federal and state pension plans must go as well.
Obviously, everyone should depend upon savings and investment income in retirement–managed by banks and a financial industry subject to minimal regulatory oversight.
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If anyone states any of that clearly and unambiguously, they won’t get elected. If it’s not stated clearly, and then someone tries it, they’ll have a populace uprising on their hands that will make the Tea Party movement pale by comparison.
I therefore conclude that republican victory would likely result in tax cuts with no significant spending cuts, bringing about further acceleration of the growth of the national debt, and an accelerated collapse of Social Security, Medicare, etc, by default.
Maybe that’s someone’s misguided plan–to just let the predictable happen. Maybe someone thinks that’s the quickest means of getting back to their own goofy idea of a properly ordered America.
Or maybe they don’t actually think any farther ahead than the next election, and don’t focus on anything other than their own short-term gains.
This country has been heading down this road to ruin since Roosevelt, only now did they have the Presidency and both houses with big enough majorities to enact their agenda. Every time that we lower taxes, the amount of money into the Government coffers grows leaps and bounds, unfortunately the left really doesn’t care for a stable economy, they want us sucking on the government. This is POWER and that is what they crave the people be damned.
GREG; there is nothing goofy about a properly governed AMERICA, and THE PEOPLE wants it,
as it is suppose to be, that is to serve the people according to the CONSTITUTION,
Dedicated-Dad: hi, I try your link, and IT didn’t open, could be my computer too. bye
Okay… off topic I know. But does anyone else get nauseated at constantly being treated to a full frontal of Obama nose hairs at his every appearance???
Maybe they should be placing TOTUS lower in the line of sight…..
Way off topic but humorous…
http://steelturman.typepad.com/thesteeldeal/2010/10/obama-opera-gilbert-sullivan-metropolitan.html
With apologies to Mssrs. Gilbert & Sullivan!
@ jainphx, #19:
Every time we’ve drastically lowered taxes, the national debt has soared to new record levels. This is exactly what has happened throughout the Bush tax cut years–which, by the way, include the first two years of the Obama administration.
This is a totally predictable result, whenever tax cuts aren’t paid for with spending cuts, or whenever spending increases aren’t paid for with tax increases.
As conservatives are forever saying–and have never failed to forget, whenever their own turn to call the shots has come: There’s no such thing as a free lunch.
If you really want a stable economy and a stable dollar, you’ve got to pay for tax cuts, just like anything else.
My point, MataHarley and Greg, is that these programs are broke. What I am morally entitled to, or what would be nice to have, or how we think it ought to be, these things are not the point. The point is: the money isn’t there. It’s gone. Poof. Future obligations greatly exceed future revenues and stored funds, and that is getting worse rapidly.
I conclude that I would get more money, more usefully, from keeping my SS and Medicare taxes, then by waiting until I’m 80 years old to get a few cents on the dollar. Assuming I even live to collect it.
Functionally, SS and Medicare are not retirement and insurance. They are de facto welfare progams. Highly unsustainable ones.
Yeah, Mata, it’s theft, and the theft has already happened. And let’s not assume they won’t do more looting in the future. The mentality is illustrated by the fact that the bastards are already talking about nationalizing 401K acccounts. Merely holding these hearings should be political suicide – I will do what I can to make it so in what small way that I can..
I would not impose my deal on anyone else. If it were available, I would take it immediately. I hope you get everything that is owed to you. I hope that old people don’t live in dire abject poverty. I wish that Greg were not a tool. But, these things are not up to me.
How will they evade making good on what they owe? There are many ways available, including inflation without adjustments, raising the retirement age, and just flat out refusing to make full payment. They don’t have to choose just one.
Just my opinion.
@ ilovebeeswarzone,
While the claims are entirely possible, you should still bring your salt shaker to the read.
This may be the link you’re looking for:
http://newsflavor.com/politics/world-politics/white-house-insider-obama-battling-severe-depression/
@ ilovebeeswarzone,
This may be the link Dedicated_Dad posted:
White House Insider: Obama Battling Severe Depression
@ Wm T SHerman, well said Pardner. Unfortunately the path to fiscal prudence will be bitter medicine but the past 20 months of promises and totally irresponsible spending of borrowed money, rewarding election debt to unions, illegal Nationalization of Industry, Finance and neglect of SS and Medicare obligations that Americans are vested in is absolutely shameless.
I foresee a tough decade ahead and am no longer guardedly optimistic but to quote Ben Franklin,
“A Republic if You can keep it” is the task that lies ahead. The irresponsible discretionary spending
coupled with the unnecessary over regulation of business and the upcoming taxation to pay for unneeded programs will be an uphill battle. And NO, our Children will not thank Us for it.
Weez juz 2 stupeed to grasp what de master iz fixin to do for uz. Hez so smart dat we jes don’t preciate him fer all de gud thins hez cookin up and offerin ussins. Cass Susteen sez weez gots a little Homer Simpson in ussins each and maybe hez rite cuz hez smart 2. Nex tyme Izza gonna caxt my vot on the kulor uf hiz skeen not hims brain.
Greg, funny that you didn’t address any of Mata’s points in #16. But I think she made her point quite well –
Greg, additionally you said:
Let me take that second sentence above first – The years of increase you are referring to under Bush and Obama, well they are years that were during a Democratically controlled Congress.
And now to your first sentence above – Wrong. You just couldn’t take the time to Google the facts, could you? LOL
Odd isn’t it that Reagan drastically reduced taxes and the revenues into the Federal coffers grew each year under him at over 8% a year??
Had he not had a Democratic Congress, spending would have been reduced as well (other than military spending, that is).
It really is like taking candy from a baby when it comes to proving you wrong, Greg.
Greg— I hate to say it but that was just ignorant and untrue. JFK lowered taxes and the amount of revenue collected almost doubled, Ronald Reagan lowered taxes and we went on in financial security till 2008. we boomed with the private sector creating jobs and wealth.
On the other hand Under Carter we had big down turns. When you spend more money then you take in, depression is around the corner. When you punish small business with the burden of all taxes, you lose small business which is the main engine of jobs. 250,000 may sound like a lot of money, but when its a small business filing 1040s you’re taxing the ability to grow and create. look around you how many small businesses are under water or out of business, good G-D man don’t you pay attention to anything but Demoncrap talking poits.
Pay for tax cuts? Are you into the cat nip. ITS OUR MONEY, the government has no money other than what they take from you and me. Instead of PAYING for tax cuts, cut the damn spending, eliminate passe departments like Education. Eliminate all the corruption and redundant costs that usually end up in congress’s pockets. For too long we have sat still and watched as they took from us and gave to those who didn’t earn it. NO MORE, just leave us alone and let the government do ONLY what the constitution allows them to do and NO MORE, and prosperity is around the corner.
Greg, I will try not to overtax my huge brain at this late hour. You obviously subscribe to the Paul Krugman school of idiocracy in economics. The burden of the deficit is not the fault of the taxpayers. It is the fault of the idiocracy in government. It is the fault of the federal reserve. What we need is a government about 1/50th the size of the existing government. If I was absolute dictator, which would be an excellent idea for all of us, I would eliminate the entire alphabet soup of agencies, and entitlements. I would go back to only constitutionally approved functions of government. Government offices would be constrained to the boundaries of Washington D.C. and to our military bases and borders. People would either get off their butts and work for a living or die. Got that??? No welfare for lazy asses, drug addicts or stupidity. Anyone who is mentally/physically incapable of earning a living would be cared for by local charities supported by churches and agencies such as red cross, united fund and other public charities because I, the absolute dictator would not be taxing and redistributing anything. Individuals would have the money to make their own choices to make charitable donations. The federal government is not to be used as a giant Ponzi scheme [which it currently is]. If you do not know what a Ponzi scheme I suggest you get a book and read up on it. Ponzi schemes are illegal unless you are the Federal government. Anyway, My Giant Magnificent Brain is the Fountain of Critical Thinking and is the Shrine of all Wisdom. I am tired and must get my beauty sleep. Please do not bother me with a rebuttal or response. I do not care to respond because you are not worthy of my time. I strongly recommend that you keep listening to Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow. They are excellent resources for your mind and your economic education. And, they remind you how you get that little tingle down your leg everytime you hear Barack chant that little ditty telling you “Yes you can, Yes you can……..”
Confucious says: He who runs for office on the color of his skin will exit office on the skin of his teeth.
Oh this waving of arms
This shaking of fists.
On these platforms of fitfullness.
Can no one see the boyish charms?
Watch me close for I am won.
Take my hand my chosen ones.
This music is pied
So sweet in tune.
Follow my children the valley will bloom
Money and milk, love and health
Waters we clean with togetherness
All for one in steady stealth
Come stay the course
We will dragon slay
Drink the drink with no remorse
dance the danse macabre
Greg:
You are the first winner of the BIG MEANINGLESS WHINE OF THE DAY.
Congratulations on your new achievement, but I am sure you will win many more in the upcoming weeks.
WOW, I just love my BLOG, THE smart is right here, I love CONFUCiOUS too,
AND I love to open FA and read such well done POETRY,
AND all the free KNOWLEDGE we acquire reading our groups,
JUST give us THE WHITE HOUSE, and AMERICA will heal her wounds, and be proud AGAIN
to honor the GOVERNMENT, and their effort to return to the CONSTITUTION’S laws of the LAND,
WHICH is made available by the BLOOD and SWEAT of the BRAVES AMERICANS through
ALL the UNITED STATES of this JEWEL of THE EARTH.
CARRY on with your hope and hearth and soul because IT will HAPPEN.
“We’re not worthy! We’re not worthy!”
James Raider: thank you SR
wow, this thread is so full of ignorant bigots (author of this blog inclusive), that it’s not even a question as to why you are all in the situation in which you find yourselves. first off, look past your noses to realize who and what got us into the financial mess in the first place. second, un-cloud your heads and try to understand that if the bailouts were not imposed, we would not yet have reached bottom. third, and lastly, stop pointing fingers and ask yourselves what YOU can improve on that will be a benefit to whatever it is that you are all b*tching and wh*ning about.
and to the specific individuals who found it necessary to bring race and “affirmative action” to the discussion, please note that i am a usa-born “minority”, first generation college graduate, 6 years into my professional engineering career, and oh yeah… i just quit my job and got a new one at a 20% bump because the job market is actually great for those who decided to actually pursue higher education. and no, the small companies i work for are not subjected to a “quota”.
Obama should have pointed out that the French masses aren’t thinking clearly either. It is so easy for me understand what’s happening now in that country. I traveled there dozens of times over a 10 year period working in Technical Service. My contacts were professionals: chemists, metallurgists, factory managers. They all had this one thing in common. Whenever the opportunity arose, they would remark as to how much money their company would have to pay if they were let go. The sums were huge. Socialism at its worst. Now that the belt tightening is afoot, they are whining like babies. It’s the cut in retirement costs. Just across the border in Germany, the retirement age is scheduled to go from 65 to 67. In France it is now 60! The riots are over the age being raised to 62! The French and Greeks need to get off their fat derrieres and take a page out of the German model. What is the alternative grenouilles? Higher taxes and unemployment.
Over half of all new jobs created in the last year were created in Texas
Rich Lowry drops this amazing statistic into his column today:
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 214,000 net new jobs were created in the United States from August 2009 to August 2010. Texas created 119,000 jobs during the same period.
If every state in the country had performed as well, we’d have created about 1.5 million jobs nationally during the past year, and maybe “stimulus” wouldn’t be such a dirty word.
What does Austin know that Washington doesn’t?
At its simplest:
Don’t overtax and -spend,
keep regulations to a minimum,
avoid letting unions and trial lawyers run riot, and
display an enormous neon sign saying, “Open for Business.”
Voters had a bout of not “thinking clearly” when 2 years ago they voted for this idiot in the White House.
Talk about being a bigot DK. You really fit the label. You just labeled everyone who is unemployed as stupid and deserving to be unemployed.
Just because YOU are lucky means the economy is fine? There are few million people that would disagree with you. I guess all those unemployed COLLEGE graduates really aren’t college grads either, huh?
Ummm DK, folks who think like you got us into the financial mess we are in. Oh, and the bailouts WERE IMPOSED and YES we would likely be through this mess without them. The polices of the dems have EXTENDED the financial crash.
Solutions? The first one is boot out all the idiots like you from Congress.
BTW, I am also a U.S. born minority and I am embarrassed to share such a title with someone like you.
@ #16:
The U.S. economy didn’t didn’t go over the cliff, did it? The banking system didn’t collapse; the stock market didn’t fall over dead; the dollar didn’t become worth less than the paper it’s printed on. The precipitious loss of jobs slowed and leveled out. GM is rebounding. The rate of inflation is at a virtual zero. Businesses have spent the last 19 months paying down their debts. Consumers have been doing the same, deferring purchases and building a backlog of pent-up demand for products.
All in all, I guess I consider a well-executed emergency landing a far superior outcome to crashing and burning. I won’t criticize the flight crew because the flight is now running behind schedule–complaints from the first-class section notwithstanding.
DK: hi, I am so embarrass for you by reading your idiotic comment,
It shows your trying but you missed it.
@Greg: I knew, knew you would avoid commenting on my rebuttal to your inane proclamation that tax cuts balloon the debt.
Guess the facts are just too painful, huh? And what is your major defense of the through the roof, over spending of Obama?
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That it COULD have been worse!
Wow! What a great statement to make. Sounds correct on the face of it, but really hard to prove true or false.
Tell me, how many jobs has Obama created? Please cite references as your word means squat around here.
Antics, you expect a liberal to face reality? To acknowledge that the facts don’t support their beliefs? You are quite the optimist.
From U.S. News and World Report, September 22, 2010: Republicans’ Tax-Cut Proposals Would Double the Budget Deficit:
There’s a quick dose of reality that conservative voters might want to face and consider.
The GOP’s perennial fiscal responsibility sales pitch doesn’t even remotely resemble the pig that’s hidden in the bag, folks.
@ Greg
If You Give A Democrat A Cookie
$787 Billion+President Obama=How Many American Jobs?
BARACK OBAMA FOR CHANGE! THE MILLION DOLLAR OBAMA BILL
GREG: AT least the CONSERVATIVE VOTERS know that IT wont be taken from their pockets,
THERE is many other places to take it from, without having the AMERICANS being tax to death.
bye
@ bees, #52: “GREG: AT least the CONSERVATIVE VOTERS know that IT wont be taken from their pockets…”
Of course it will be. Financing tax cuts by adding $3.9 trillion more in IOUs to the national debt is the same thing as taking the money from your pocket.
For the average voter–whether liberal or conservative–the individual share of the increased national debt will be much greater than the individual share of the tax cut the increased debt pays for. That’s because we are all responsible for the national debt equally, while tax cuts are much higher for individuals at the top of the income pyramid.
Deficit spending is what it is, whether it’s done by republicans or democrats.
The one who can’t think clearly is you Donkey A_S
Living in the “alternative/parallel universe” are we, Greg?
Excuse me, but how do you you know:
1: the economy wouldn’t collapse
2: banking system wouldn’t collapse
3: dollar wouldn’t become worthless (enroute in it’s decline since the events… duh)
4: loss of jobs have slowed and leveled out (how many jobs are there to lose and still maintain a business, dude? Heard about skeleton crews? Part time/temp help?)
5: GM is rebounding (compared to what auto maker? How much are they “rebounding” compared to others?)
6: rate of inflation is a a virtual zero ( a bit premature, don’t you think?
7: consumers have been doing fine (really???)
Does an economy collapse.. most especially the biggest consumer economy, “collapse” over night?
Do you think the “banking system” is done with their losses in the free falling decline of values?
Is the dollar “done” and safe in today’s market?
So today’s “loss of jobs” is better because of a projected “loss of jobs” to you? What “seer” are you banking on?
GM is rebounding? LOL Compared to what auto manufacturer, if you please…. LOL
Rate of inflations is zero… as compared to a Euro market who’s currency value is deteriorating faster? How long do you want to bet on that?
Consumers have been doing “fine”… don’t get out much, eh?
Greg, you disappoint me. You buy the hype of the alternative universion, hook line and sinker. You have now been moved officially into my “putz” category.
I got a few bridges to sell… interested?
The “Pain” has just begun with the Currency, Unemployment approaching double digits, the Bush Tax Cuts going away and this gem that is Not Going Away…
Bank of America starts thaw in foreclosure freeze
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101018/ap_on_bi_ge/us_bank_of_america_foreclosures
So Greg, keep smokin that stuff…
GM 2010 US Sales as of this minute are:
Buick has 142,354
Cadillac has 131,132
Chevy has 1,466,229
GMC has 287,833
Chrysler was bailed out, too.
Chrysler has 197,427
Ford was NOT bailed out.
Ford has 1,626,187
All the rest are here.
Add this to the list of things that Greg seems to find real peachy.
Breaking the Bank: Closures Keep Climbing in 2010
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/insurance/2010-bank-closures-failures/19561975/
Bank Failures in Brief 2010
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/bank/index.html
Now Who pays for this? The US Treasury, You, the Taxpayer.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
You know, I am beginning to think this president is not ready for prime time!
DK: Wow, whoopee doo. You are a minority. Let’s see, would that be a black person. A Mexican. A Vietnamese? A Muslim. Lots of minorities out there. Perhaps a conservtive white woman. Now that’s a downtrodden minority if I ever saw one. DK, hang on to your minority status with all your grit and play that card for all it’s worth. For goodness sakes. Now, I am going to guess that you are probably BLACK. Ahem. I do hope that you wear the color of your skin proudly and loudly. After all, it is such a big ticket item lately. Black is POWER, ya know. Black lets you get to talk rudely and crudely and no one gets to correct you. It also allows you to vote for Barack Obama because of the color of his skin not because he is totally incompetent. Black lets you cling to your plantation mentality forever and ever because it is an entitlement by birthright.
For the record, I am not bitching and whining little one. So, hop off your soap box and quit lecturing us as if we are all simpletons. I don’t like looking up at the hair in your nostrils you arrogant snot. I, your resident genius know exactly how to create jobs and turn the economy around without bleeding the taxpayers to death and certainly you do not. Since you have a job and are NOT an entrepreneur you are the one who is clueless. I salute your ability to fetch yourself a job as an engineer. Good show. Now, kindly shut the “f” up while the rest of us figure out how to create new businesses so that numbnuts like you can get jobs. Anyone ultimately can get hired. It takes a true “visionary” to create new products, services and businesses so that our economy can explode.
Now, DK. Please do not attempt to reply. I DO NOT allow rebuttals. I simply assert my Immensely Huge Brain here and there . My Critical Mind is the Shrine to my intellectual superiority over liberals.
Same Old Song and Dance
Tim Hawkins – The Government Can
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0
OLD TROOPER 2: hi, good tub thank you. bye
Ummm greg, you ignorant sl*t, it has been proven tax cuts don’t increase the deficit. In fact, it was proven in this very thread! You failed to rebutt ANY of it to boot. You are only proving that liberals are mentally ill with your posts.
Let’s look at your source while we are at it. Oh, what a shock!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Schlesinger
“Robert Schlesinger is opinion editor at U.S. News and World Report, a liberal blogger on Thomas Jefferson Street and the Huffington Post, and writes a biweekly column for U.S. News….”
Way to pick a credible source. Buwahahahahaha!
No doubt some would be happier with GM dead and gone, and vultures circling the corpse. Unfortunately, you just can’t please everybody.
A town saved by stimulus
@ ilovebeeswarzone, Nothing but the best but it is tough to paint a smiley face on that.
Greg, we have already explained to you ad naseum that GM would not be gone. They would have shed the union parasites and come back stronger.
Seriously, are you mentally handicapped? You must be to keep throwing our the same disproven talking points over and over again as if they had never been mentioned.
GREG: on53, yes but we can more depend on THIS here party to FOLLOW the law of the CONSTITUTION,
and KEEP AMERICANS safe, and restore their PRIDE ,AND set up a way to close THE sickening BORDER, AND preserve the FREEDOM of the AMERICANS to promote WEALTH in this BEAUTIFUL AMERICA through ALL the UNITED STATES without having those multiple GOVERNMENT AGENCYS
TRYING to cut their gains, by harassing them into dumb reprisal which is
an infringing way of sending BUSINESSES away instead of making them feel the support of a GOVERNMENT for all the good will people.
@ #66:
The “union parasites” being the people who actually build the company’s products, apparently…
The Fix Is In! Rep. Barney Frank Delays Local GM Plant Closure
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/06/the-fix-is-in-rep-barney-frank-delays-local-plant-closure/
All to support the UAW Bosses that throw a lot of Cash at Democrats.
Hm. Actually,Obama plans to sell the government’s (our stock interest in GM) to China. That will be used to pay down our national debt. Now..let me see, America borrowed money to give to Obama’s union cronies, taxpayers stock was devalued and retirees pension funds were stripped naked by the bankruptcy of GM. Then that stock was partially given to the AFL-CIO, the rest is being held by the Feds. If the Feds then sell the stock to China, all of the cars are made in China and shipped back to the U.S. the union workers are screwed and Obama tells American Citizens that we will use the Pension Trust to pay the pensions of all the laid off union workers. Anyone else ready to get really screwed by a big black dick?
Marti, that look like a skeam directly from the mafia world,
bye
Greg, what was the purpose of throwing the US taxpayer into auto manuf ownership? Not to mention being on the hook for the unfunded pensions…. and usurping bankrupcty laws and screwing the bond holders to appease the unions
Was it to save one of America’s big three? Or was it to enable China and the unions?
Have you a clue as to the act, what it cost the US tax payer? And did it accomplish the stated end goal?
Please… redeem yourself from your prior faux pas. Otherwise, “useful idiot” suits you well.
ilovebeeswarm:
Under Rules for Radicals, the Means Justify the Ends. Gotta be winner and losers. In Obama’s world, the people are always the losers. Got that Greg. Union workers are fools. Damn fools.
How do you spell Dumb Kaughf again?
I think someone posting on this thread works for the government since they care nothing about tax revenue or what it might mean.
@ MataHarley, #72:
I believe it was estimated that nearly 1 million American jobs are either directly or indirectly dependent on the continuing operations of GM. Loss of those likely wouldn’t have been good for an already flagging economy. It would have put additional strain on already-stressed federal programs, and on community and state budgets already stressed to the breaking point. After recovery, we would likely have seen a significant portion of the national demand for new trucks and automobiles filled by foreign competitors, which would have perpetuated the economic damages well on into the future.
Sometimes it’s better to do things that you’d really rather not. Out of necessity, there’s been quite a lot of that recently.
(“GSH” would be Greg, btw. Sorry for that unintended inconsistency.)
In order to find out who Obama really is, we have to fire him first.
@GSH:
Why the new screen name Greg?
Was the old one toasted or something?
DK, perhaps you should stick to your “hotties” preferences on the internet and stop surfing political blogs, dude… I have to say it would be nice if you advanced your civics education prior to casting a vote in any election (you know.. the real elections, and not the local Hooter girl contest), and quit screwing up the rest of our lives with your ignorance when voting. It’s obvious your political knowledge is sorely lacking. But then, at your age, real knowledge doesn’t come naturally, but needs to be honed and pursued…. and doesn’t come with the usual headline/sound byte education you young’ens like to do while not surfing eHarmony.
But hang, at your young age, we were all distracted by the pleasures at hand as well.
Too bad today’s times don’t really afford for you to be young and fancy free 24/7. Hey… I’m an old broad. It’s your future more at stake than mine so really… why should I care? What happens today is now going to affect your future… as you are blissfully and hormone’ally unaware of at this moment. Me? I’ll be a light flash on the winds.
Here’s the skinny, Dan. Sure you can wander in here as a south FL, barely out of college twit – still focused primarily on his hormones – insult the “author of this blog” with a blind and unsubstantiated drive by comment. Feel empowered? Ah yes… the joys of being obnoxious… while pretending to be anonymous – behind a keyboard can be momentarily rewarding.
Or can they? LOL
Guess again, and welcome to your own universe. You should be ready to face the music for your trival fly bys. No.. not our “music”. Frankly, you’re a gnat on an elephant’s butt when it comes to bothering anyone with your juvenile commentary. Quite laughable, actually.
But I really feel for you now knowing just how “not private” and vulnerable you really are in today’s times. (Not to mention, I really pine for a great cubano pork with black beans dinner.) But heads up to the wise. The fiscal music you will face by dancing with your ignorance, usurped by your hormones, today will be a sad sight to see 15 years from now. Get with the program, stop fulfilling your testosterone, and start paying attention. Otherwise the music in the future will be seriously atonal.
And BTW… next time you want to wander in and play blanket insult, either get to know the community, or be prepared to face the reality that the internet is not quite as “anonymous” as you think.
@ GSH, yup. So I reckon that I can sit in on the next board meeting then? Or be present to negotiate the next Union Contract since the next three or four generations of my offspring will be paying on the debt for this nonsense, which by the way is not covered by any Constitutional Mandate to interfere with the Private Sector in this fashion or support underfunded pension plans or underfunded benefits for those that retired from that industry? Sounds like buying Union Votes to me.
I raise beef cattle, employ directly over 30 folks and am not Government Subsidized. How big a Safety Net is sustainable on the back of the Taxpayer?
No business is too big to fail.
@ Aye Chihuahua, did someone change their SOCKS without washing their feet?
I see. So now it’s tasked to the taxpayer to bail out every business that employs people directly, or indirectly, who is going to fail?
Hey it’s your future, bozo. I suggest you learn to pick wisely. DOH! What businesses warrant taxpayer attention over those that don’t?
I inadvertently used my initials. My usual FA nick isn’t toast, although I realize my reputation around here might be.
Naw… not “toast”, Greg, aka GSH. Just “putz”.
Nah Mata; he had it right.
@ MataHarley, #82:
The fact that I understand and agree with the thinking behind the GM bailout doesn’t mean that it sits well with me philosophically. I saw it as a reasonable emergency response to a crisis situation.
Unfortunately, the American auto industry is in direct competition with foreign producers that are heavily subsidized by their own governments. Japanese producers, for example, don’t bear the costs of employee health care. Employee training and product R&D are heavily subsidized by the Japanese government. Should we have simply let a major component of our domestic auto industry go, along with a lot of other businesses and jobs reliant upon it, and then watched the void be filled during economic recovery with a new wave of foreign products?
Well I’m glad to hear that it gnaws at your philosophical craw, Greg. We’ll now move you up to putz in training?
Now.. one more time. Where’s the dividing line, Greg? What businesses warrant your deviation from comfort?
Toyoto employs more than GM. They also provide health insurance. Should we let them fail if the WH admin manages to drive them out of business? (fat chance… great product…) They do have an “American” corporate presence, tho foreign in origin.
So where’s that line in the sand for you, Greg? Draw it out for us. What companies are you willing to put the taxpayer on the line to bail out, and which ones no?
Oh, Greg… forgot to ask. Not only do I want to know what companies you are willing to allow the taxpayers to be responsible for, I want to know why you choose them.
And who, if not you, gets to make that decision of who is worthy, and who is not?
And do you feel that is part of either the Admin or Legislative branch’s constitutional powers?
I just happen to feel that at this rate any further irresponsible and Un-Constitutional spending of Tax Dollars is just not warranted for Bailouts or Programs that benefit the few at the expense of the many.
@MataHarley, #87:
I don’t really know where to draw a line in the sand. I would say that none of the bailout measures taken since it all began hitting the fan in 2008 should be guidelines for the future. I drop them all into the desperate times/desperate measures category.
I’ll leave a link to an article by one Ross Eisenbrey, generally supportive of the GM bailout. The points he makes are convincing to me, at least.
Setting the record straight on GM
MataHarley:
Honey chile, you flick my bitch. I just love your style. A thoroughly enjoyable read and a five star read. My compliments lady. I do so enjoy a lively butt kicking from a woman of a certain age. Touche and away. Keep on rockin!
Greg: please do not leave. Torturing you is such great pleasure.
I enjoy reading Greg reruns. He always recycles the same unsupported statements just like a chatty Kathy doll. Just pull the ring and there he goes. I enjoy sending his posts to my friends so they can see just how far the educational system has failed!
I think we should never have bailed GM out. Sorry. It was then and still is a piece of crap. What do we have to show for our $60 billion plus dollars? GM cars that look like Chryslers that look like Chevys. Fords that look better than Chryslers or GM cars, run better and sell better. Consumers who do not want to purchase GM or Chrysler products because they do not trust that they will be able to get service and/or parts 3 years down the road. Then we got the Chevy Volt which is an overpriced hybrid at $41,000. The gasoline model sells for $17,000. What kind of fool would pay an extra $24,000 for the Volt to save $9,000 over the life of the car in gasoline? Would you Greg?
Thanks to Barack Obama and Eric Holder we live in a nation where the rule of law has been thrown out the window. Black Panthers can, at will, take billy clubs to the polls and intimidate white voters without fear of the legal raminifcation. Corporations and businesses will not invest in the USA when the rule of law is being publicly thwarted by an administration who consistently violates it. When the congress of the United States oversteps the the 10th amendment and tells Citizens what they must purchase and that if they do not they will have their property seized confidence in the government is forever lost. Businesses do not continue to grow in this environment. GM will fail. Period. This nation does not have enough money to sustain such a parasite. Obama bought it for us and after a couple of years of overpaying stupid union employees $75.00 an hour it will still collapse. In the end they the crappy union employees will lose their jobs. They will lose their pensions. They will lose their healthcare. They will lose their homes. They will be homeless and jobless. They are parisites on the economy and keeping them in jobs is unsustainable for the working class. There is simply not enough money that can be squeezed out of the public sector even at a tax rate of 100% to pay for this ignorance and stupidity. So, Greg, enjoy your job while you can. I suggest that you plant a garden. Buy a tent. Trim your nose hairs and get some survival food champ. I myself am too old to give a damn. You on the other hand are young and this is your piece of crap to deal with. So I really don’t care what happens to you. I do care what happens to my grandchildren. But, their grandfather has a survival plan in place, 545 acres, cattle, fish, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns. God how I love guns. Big ones. Small ones. Black ones. Silver ones. Capeche?
Yo, Marti… did you factor in the plug in/electric bills too? :0) And thanks for doing the math that so many are either unable, or reticent, to do when it comes down to purchasing “fuel efficient vehicles” vs lifespan.
Nice to have you around FA. We ol farts are an endangered species these days, ya know. Don’t be a stranger!
MataHarley:
No. I stopped at the gasoline. It’s too time consuming to try to calculate the gasoline based on the future price point of a BBL of oil in 2014. I calculated a increase of 92 cents per gallon spread over the 3 year period adjusted for the decline in value of the dollar which means the price may actually go higher but the dollar will devalue. My big giant brain can only do so much in 15 minutes. Greg, on the other hand, has to try to function on about 4 neurons and that is why he stops at being a democrat and is stuck on stupid. We brilliant people with giant brains have to explain simple things like this to stupid people democrats and people like Obama who are so arrogant and unwilling to deal with cold hard facts. Don’t get me going on climate change. That math is a real bitch.
Greg also needs to know that I automatically delete 20 points for college educated nerds. 30 points for graduates of state funded schools and 50 points off for Ivy League schools. Self educated and home schooled intelligencia start with a 110 points and go up there depending on evaluation. Having read Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged is an automatic 10 point plus. This is the grading system. And you are enjoying a 110 point starting score.
@ Marti,
What has also been ignored by the Obama crowd in the promotion of Electric cars is the Dollar cost, and Environmental cost, of dealing with the millions of batteries that have a shorter lifespan than an internal combustion engine.
Your tax money is being used in the form of grants to boost capacity of rare recycling facilities such as Toxco, to include lithium-ion batteries. Lead-acid and nickel-metal hydride batteries presently dominating, will eventually be dinosaurs, but still, what do you do with them?
Obama multi-billion stimulus money to fund manufacturing and development of domestic battery production will have a tough road to grind, and the end of their limited lives, these lithium batteries will have difficulty finding a final resting place since there is no “market,” for lithium. Entrepreneurs won’t stray into the game if there’s no profit. Taxpayers will have to continue footing the recycling bill with continuing grants. . . . That’s on top of funding unprofitable electric car & battery manufacturers.
The demand for electric, even hybrid, vehicles is a forced concept being pushed on the pretext of reducing dependence on foreign oil. It is being taxpayer funded at a time when the economy and unemployment should be a priority, and government spending should be curtailed drastically.
The battery technology isn’t anywhere near ready to replace the millions of gasoline engines being sold currently. It is likely that practical solutions are still many years out, and concerns such as the impact of ambient temperature on these batteries will take time to solve.
Meanwhile, foreign oil dependence can be solved by allowing drilling in proven National reserves.
@ Marti, #94:
The average pay rate for a union GM line worker is actually $29.49 per hour, according to GM company spokesman Tony Sapienza.
The misleading $75 per hour figure that anti-labor types love to cite is derived by adding all of GM’s current labor-related costs, including the cost of family health care benefits, and then inflating that even further by adding in the total cost of healthcare benefits for former employees who are already retired. Once they’ve got that number, they divide it by the total of current employees to get an hourly figure.
In other words, as a statement of the average union auto industry worker’s hourly pay, it’s total bullshit.
Presumably those who wish to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, and employee benefits such as retirement plans believe that $29.49 per hour is more than sufficient to support a worker’s family, provide for their health care needs, educate the kids, and still put away a sufficient amount to live on and pay for health care throughout one’s retirement years. I hope they’re correct, because that’s considerably above the average manufacturing production worker’s wage, which is now around $17.91 per hour.
Greg you dummy, were past employees ever employees? Yes? Labor costs are everything that a company is required to pay that is a result of hiring anyone. If GM hires an employee and pays them an hourly rate of $10/hr, the cost of unemployment compensation, current health care, future healthcare, Social Security, retirement benis and a good deal more cost GM and most other Union shops about $20-$30 more per employee. Just because a cost doesn’t end up in the pay check now doesn’t mean it isn’t a beni to the worker! If you ever made a payroll, you would understand this! Where do you think all the benefits come from for union workers, the Easter Bunny?
Subject: Do Japanese autoworkers make more than American autoworkers?
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/89-63605.aspx
@Old Trooper 2:
Ding, ding, ding! Congratulations on post 100 and what an eye opener! My old neighbor and his wife were Chrysler employees, both took the buyout, got two $25,000 coupons towards new cars that they also got to green sheet. Prior to getting out while the getting was good, they enjoyed six weeks of vacation per year in addition to 95% of their pay during the weeks of retooling shut down. That averaged about 3 weeks per summer and when Chrysler changed models it could last for months.
Welcome back Mata! Absence makes the heart grow fonder, just try not to be away so long again, please?
And, welcome Marti! You are such a nice addition to the FA family!
OLD TROOPER 2: yes congratulation on your 100, you hit it without effort,
well I will watch the next one, to be 200. bye
MISSY I guess you where eying it too, when OT sweept it under you,
at the last second. bye
@ilovebeeswarzone:
No, just happened to notice, been out of town and am just trying to catch up on comments. You all have been so busy, learned lots this morning. Now, out the gardens, almost done closing up then come the leaves.
Almost forgot. Have you seen this one?
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/wild-obama-2.jpg
MISSY, the leaves provide a good winter protection for your garden,
I’m not so tidy as you; I have to mention the white LAVATERAS flowers that are still blooming,
in the cold days we begin to have,they are very fussy to start but I succeded this year on past years seeds, and transplant the 3 that made it, IT ‘s a real show now, while the others are gone.
they also come in pink.
good day, BTW am I following the topic of the POST?, YES just for this one. bye
those flowers are like CONSERVATIVES, beautiful and smart, they know how to COPE with NATURE fluctuations and survive without hurting the other plants
and getting depress. how did I do.?
MARTI: hi, I have to mention that I also think that once a big company show failure to rise up again by themself,they have lost their credibility, and usuely, many like small one,
let go and are taken over by a new one, or change name if they still want to continiue,
there by getting rid of the blood sucker which are guilty in a big way of having drown the company,
instead of working for it’s success. yes your right ,no bail out can fix a lost of confidence.
bye
As I said, I never engage in rebuttal. In this one case, I will break my rule;. Greg has broken one of my sacred rules, “Never believe the bullshit spewed from the mouth of a union representative.”
Only a frothing mouth drone would quote the so called pay rate from a GM company spokesman Tony Sapienza as the truth. Are we supposed to take the words of Presidential Press Spokesman Robert Gibbs as the truth? How about we go go back to the words of old Baghdad Bob to focus our sights on the truth? Hey, Greg? Drink from the fountain of Kool-Aid where you find it. Thanks for your delightful input. We just love hearing from you and ripping apart your sources. Those bums at GM would not go wee wee for $29.49 per hour. Geez.
@ #106
I’m far more inclined to believe information that comes directly from the most knowledgeable source available–in this case, from an official spokesman for the company itself–than the deliberate distortions of a special interest-funded spin-machine, concocted and repeated throughout an extended media echo chamber to further a duplicitous political agenda.
The fact that a deliberately misleading statement has been picked up a hundred times and unquestioningly echoed verbatim in a hundred different chambers does not magically render it true. All it suggests is the presence of a very large Kool-Aid fountain. Endless repetition is a basic tool of the propagandist, not the truth-seeker.
Over the years the UAW has bargained away the best wages.
So, older union employees are still making that $75/hour.
In ~ 2006 a new arrangement allowed some GM new hires to only make ~$29/hour.
More recently, in a move to save a few plants, GM (the government-owned version) made an offer to allow some new hires to only make $15.50/hour.
The UAW refused that deal, so plants are set to close and all who worked at them will be forced into taking early retirement, a buyout or 99 weeks worth of unemployment.
If You’ll Permit Obama to Play Amateur Psychologist. . .
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/10/18/if-youll-permit-obama-to-play-amateur-psychologist/
OLD TROOPER 2: hi, I say yes to your last words, because they where prepared to vote
with the hostile propaganda against PRESIDENT BUSH, made up way ahead to bring some people
on his side, letting them believe he would fix everything and now the moment of truth is telling another story, very different,from promises he was unable to cope with the priorities.
bye
@Greg:
These are labor costs for Ford employees, Chrysler autoworker’s wages and benefits were a few dollars higher and GMC came in second. These are current figures and include the concessions Nan G mentions in post #108. Employer costs….. wages paid to and health/retirement benefits for each employee are compared to what the competition pays.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE4BB6VB20081212
Transplants=Japanese automakers, aka, the competition.
Sigh. the fun is gone. Greg has moved on. We no longer have a stinkbug under the microscope to poke fun at. Darn.
@ Marti,
BTW, in addition to enormous direct costs on the electrics and hybrids, is the “distributed” cost of all Tax Credits available for different models, with plug-in electric drive vehicle credits topping out at $7,500, depending on the battery capacity – payed for by your friendly neighbourhood taxpayer.
@ Missy, #111:
Thanks for that link to the Reuter’s factbox. It lays out the wage differences between transplant employees and UAW employees with far more clarity and fairness than an assertion that the average UAW worker pulls down $75 per hour.
@ #113:
Your friendly neighborhood taxpayer is currently footing the bill for billions of dollars in indirect oil industry subsidies per year, mostly in the form of preferentical industry taxation and enormously inflated defense costs related to the protection of their foreign petroleum supply chains. That’s how we’ve been keeping the cost of gasoline in the United States artificially low for years. When you factor all such costs in, the true cost of a gallon of U.S. gasoline is already well over $10. When you look below the surface, here’s really not much down there that’s free market about it.
Current electric car technology becomes cost effective when the cost of gasoline reaches $8 per gallon.
Choose your subsidy.
Greg
In the “Age of Obama” who in the name of heaven would believe any official spokesman for General Motors. I am sorry Greg, you are beyond amusing. You are insufferable.
But it is certainly delightful to have you back. I am tightening the focus of the microscope. Smile for the camera, stinkbug.
@ Greg, on your #115, The EPA just limited energy development in the Gulf that keeps US buying Foreign Oil at rising prices while technology is being restricted by HIS Economic & Environmental Policies that will never come to fruition to make US less Energy Dependent while His idiots meddle with things that are REAL and Not Theoretical. Under Obama, Fire would not have been discovered yet.
You are as economically illiterate and politically stupified as Team Obama. Without reduced regulation there is no bridge to affordable energy production that keeps America a step ahead of Third World Nation Status.
@Greg, we really only have one title holder to the FA village idiot, and john ryan holds that. I’m baffled as to why you are attempting to take his title away.
My suggestion is that you do your homework as to the oil companies who supply our domestic fuel, and where they obtain their profits. Hint…. they lose money providing fuel to this country partially because of the refining capability, and the fact that the amount of oil this nation burns, they do not harvest themselves. Meaning they, too, have to buy it on the open market.
But since you want to assault the 3rd or 4th largest industry in profits, you might want to get your sheeeeeet together on just WHERE they get those profits. And it’s from the P&D departments. That’s production and development, dude. And we don’t allow much P&D here in the US continental boundaries.
Meaning, they make their cash off of other countries not afraid to do P&D, and lose cash here. The accounting all balances out in the end… but it’s not for US business.
Mata,I think that Greg and John Ryan are trying to out do each other to replace that village in Kenya that is missing their village idiot.
Greg #115
Why must the selection be of subsidies? I say screw that. Toss out the EPA and the regulations. Let us simply drill in the gulf as the Chinese and Mexicans are doing (after all, it IS our oil) and drill in ANWR. And, while we are at it, screw the green economy and the people like you who think the way you do. I don’t agree with your options or your thinking. I don’t believe in the entire climate change scam and I am sure no one else on this thread does either.
@Randy… perhaps we can offer to extradite their missing “idiot”?
@Greg #115: Typical Alinsky. When you lose the battle (e.g. auto worker salaries), change the topic, this time to oil “subsidies.”
LOL, sad and predictable.
@ anticsrocks, #122:
I didn’t change the topic. Electric cars came up in posts 94, 95, 96, and finally in 133 with the introduction of the subsidy issue, before I even bothered to comment on it.
Maybe if people stopped launching odd off-topic clay pigeons I wouldn’t be tempted to have an occasional shot at them.
New topic: Six months after Obama signed the ARRC (stimulus) act, the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Cancer Complementary and Alternative Medicine (OCCAM) funded three new supplemental grants in an effort to jumpstart (woooooo) our economy by creating or saving “millions of jobs” by putting a “down payment on long-neglected research challenges in our country. SO (listen up gang), $10.4 BILLION dollars was awarded to be spent in two years for significant research on the study of 1. Green tea (which is the source of EGCG 2. Curcumin (the herb) and 3. A 4-herb traditional Chinese medicine called PHY906 which has been imported by desperate cancer victims for years and mocked and aped by cancer doctors for decades. These grants were issued to 3 medical doctors who are as follows: Dr. Fazlul Sarkar, Wayne State University. Dr. Rakesh Srivastava, Univ. of Texas Health Center at Tyler. and Dr. Yung-Chi Cheng, Yale University.
Three doctors received $10.4 billion dollars in grants, folks. Now I ask you, how many jobs were created in this two-year injection of money to create jobs for Americans??? (3, maybe 6 jobs were stimulated and some funky doctors got one hell of a lot of money stuffed into their little alien pockets)! You want to know where I got this information? I have in my formerly nicotine stained hands a copy of the NCICAM News published in the Fall of 2009 by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. To obtain a copy of this newsletter call 1-800-4-CANCER. Just ask for NIH Publication No. 10-7407 Dated November 2009. And, you too can see how stupidly the Obama Administration spent our money.
For the records, I, your resident genius, in one of my former incarnations, was a master herbalist. I have known for years that Green Tea was rich in EGCG and and NK (natural killer properties) and that Curcumin is rich in NK properties. And, during the 1990′s was one of the states biggest smugglers of PHY906 which cost $50.00 for a day’s supply of the nasty tasting crap. But, it was imported from China and the 4 ancient herbs worked then and definitely are effective against lymphoma. And, I do not charge $10.4 billion dollars for the advice. Gob smacking information.
Oh, by the way, that little research center in Tyler, Texas, is a podunk hospital in a tiny town in east Texas that barely makes a dent on the map. And, Dr. Rakesh Srivastava is NOT on the faculty and is not even a resident on staff. I wonder where he went with his share of the $10.4 billion dollars. I am still trying to find out where the other doctors went. We all need to care where this money went because one of the doctors appears not to really exist other than for a few footnotes on some very old and remote, outdated research papers.
Now Greg, want to discuss this issue?
Marti, I am so glad to know someone who understands herbal healing.
I can’t believe how much they have helped me, even though I started using them with skepticism.
But knowing an herb, or green tea, is rich in NK properties is very different from trying to understand the mechanism of action of natural agents.
I knew an older woman who was a master herbalist.
But she knew nothing of how so much of it worked…..only that it did.
When we know how something works we can then use it even more correctly.
With something slightly toxic, like, for instance, Hawthorne Berries, we need to hone in on the right amount because too much will kill you.
And should it be an infusion, an ointment, or taken internally?
I bet there is a great deal of overpricing in herbal cures.
I bet that Chinese combo isn’t the only one.
#125 Nan G
HowdyMarti, Old Trooper here.
Nope. Medical Research is expensive but this smells like $200,000 toilet seats for Air Force One and Wagu Beef Banquets for a few hundred Socialists that defile 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue like it was a Louisiana Sporting House and Bar.
Common sense herbal remedies have worked for more years than I have been on the planet. Poultices that my Grand Dad made were very effective over the years for both man and beast.
Prescription drug prices are exorbitant but a healthy diet, physical exercise and barring genetic predispositions or accidental injuries, folks could do well with herbal remedies. I have TRICARE for Life so I have a better situation than most folks but 10.4 Billion Dollars in Grant money is like pouring borrowed gold dust down a gopher hole. Obama throws borrowed US Treasury dollars around like mardi gras beads. That is typical from a guy that never worked an honest day in his life and is economically illiterate. It is just OPM.
OT2 Is Tricare for life for your life or Tricare life?
@ Randy, it all depends on what Congress does to Us and when. You know the drill. I am not qualified for FEHC so we get what they don’t take away from Us and pay for the privilege.
Volt Fraud At Government Motors
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/550957/201010191855/Volt-Fraud-At-Government-Motors.htm
Green Technology: Government Motors’ all-electric car isn’t all-electric and doesn’t get near the touted hundreds of miles per gallon. Like “shovel-ready” jobs, maybe there’s no such thing as “plug-ready” cars either.
The Chevy Volt, hailed by the Obama administration as the electric savior of the auto industry and the planet, makes its debut in showrooms next month, but it’s already being rolled out for test drives by journalists. It appears we’re all being taken for a ride.
When President Obama visited a GM plant in Hamtramck near Detroit a few months ago to drive a Chevy Volt 10 feet off an assembly line, we called the car an “electric Edsel.” Now that it’s about to hit the road, nothing revealed has changed our mind.
Advertised as an all-electric car that could drive 50 miles on its lithium battery, GM addressed concerns about where you plug the thing in en route to grandma’s house by adding a small gasoline engine to help maintain the charge on the battery as it starts to run down. It was still an electric car, we were told, and not a hybrid on steroids.
That’s not quite true. The gasoline engine has been found to be more than a range-extender for the battery. Volt engineers are now admitting that when the vehicle’s lithium-ion battery pack runs down and at speeds near or above 70 mph, the Volt’s gasoline engine will directly drive the front wheels along with the electric motors. That’s not charging the battery — that’s driving the car.
So it’s not an all-electric car, but rather a pricey $41,000 hybrid that requires a taxpayer-funded $7,500 subsidy to get car shoppers to look at it. But gee, even despite the false advertising about the powertrain, isn’t a car that gets 230 miles per gallon of gas worth it?
We heard GM’s then-CEO Fritz Henderson claim the Volt would get 230 miles per gallon in city conditions. Popular Mechanics found the Volt to get about 37.5 mpg in city driving, and Motor Trend reports: “Without any plugging in, (a weeklong trip to Grandma’s house) should return fuel economy in the high 30s to low 40s.”
Car and Driver reported that “getting on the nearest highway and commuting with the 80-mph flow of traffic — basically the worst-case scenario — yielded 26 miles; a fairly spirited backroad loop netted 31; and a carefully modulated cruise below 60 mph pushed the figure into the upper 30s.”
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Thanks anyway, I’ll stick with my Nissan Titan trucks and do not burn any E-85 fuel in anything I own. How many new coal fired power plants need to be built to supply electricity for the lithium Batteries in that Golf Cart ?
barry is blaming any and everything but himself for the way americans think about him. he may be smart but has no common sense whatsoever. i believe his goal is to destroy the US and then have the middleeast start a war with israel and not help them which would be a disgrace. i think this will alll happen before the 2012 election because they all know he willl not get put back in. so now it the time. it would be a disgrace not to help israel.the man can talk forever and never say a word. he makes me sick. we have to get him and his cronies out of there before its too late and i fear it is already too late.God bless America and Israel.
OLD TROOPER 2, hi, that was a good comment ,I enjoyed al your comments ,, a good reminiscing POST this one is. bye