Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has “Biological Research Facilities,” Worried Russia May Seize Them

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by Glenn Greenwald

Self-anointed “fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeks mocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.
 
Claims that Ukraine currently maintains dangerous biological weapons labs came from Russia as well as China. The Chinese Foreign Ministry this month claimed: “The US has 336 labs in 30 countries under its control, including 26 in Ukraine alone.” The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that “Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons.” Such assertions deserve the same level of skepticism as U.S. denials: namely, none of it should be believed to be true or false absent evidence. Yet U.S. fact-checkers dutifully and reflexively sided with the U.S. Government to declare such claims “disinformation” and to mock them as QAnon conspiracy theories.
 
Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”
 
Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further “proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.
 
But Rubio’s clean-up act came too late. When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such “facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach” — [interruption by Sen. Rubio]:
 

 
Nuland’s bizarre admission that “Ukraine has biological research facilities” that are dangerous enough to warrant concern that they could fall into Russian hands ironically constituted more decisive evidence of the existence of such programs in Ukraine than what was offered in 2002 and 2003 to corroborate U.S. allegations about Saddam’s chemical and biological programs in Iraq. An actual against-interest confession from a top U.S. official under oath is clearly more significant than Colin Powell’s holding up some test tube with an unknown substance inside while he pointed to grainy satellite images that nobody could decipher.
 
It should go without saying that the existence of a Ukrainian biological “research” program does not justify an invasion by Russia, let alone an attack as comprehensive and devastating as the one unfolding: no more than the existence of a similar biological program under Saddam would have rendered the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq justifiable. But Nuland’s confession does shed critical light on several important issues and raises vital questions that deserve answers.
 
Any attempt to claim that Ukraine’s biological facilities are just benign and standard medical labs is negated by Nuland’s explicitly grave concern that “Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of” those facilities and that the U.S. Government therefore is, right this minute, “working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.” Russia has its own advanced medical labs. After all, it was one of the first countries to develop a COVID vaccine, one which Lancet, on February 1, 2021, pronounced was “ safe and effective” (even though U.S. officials pressured multiple countries, including Brazil, not to accept any Russian vaccine, while U.S. allies such as Australia refused for a full year to recognize the Russian COVID vaccine for purposes of its vaccine mandate). The only reason to be “quite concerned” about these “biological research facilities” falling into Russian hands is if they contain sophisticated materials that Russian scientists have not yet developed on their own and which could be used for nefarious purposes — i.e., either advanced biological weapons or dual-use “research” that has the potential to be weaponized.
 
What is in those Ukrainian biological labs that make them so worrisome and dangerous? And has Ukraine, not exactly known for being a great power with advanced biological research, had the assistance of any other countries in developing those dangerous substances? Is American assistance confined to what Nuland described at the hearing — “working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces” — or did the U.S. assistance extend to the construction and development of the “biological research facilities” themselves?
 

PolitiFact, Feb. 25, 2022.
 
For all the dismissive language used over the last two weeks by self-described “fact-checkers,” it is confirmed that the U.S. has worked with Ukraine, as recently as last year, in the “development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partnerships; and partner capacity for enhanced bio-security, bio-safety, and bio-surveillance measures.” The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine publicly boasted of its collaborative work with Ukraine “to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats.”
 
This joint US/Ukraine biological research is, of course, described by the State Department in the most unthreatening way possible. But that again prompts the question of why the U.S. would be so gravely concerned about benign and common research falling into Russian hands. It also seems very odd, to put it mildly, that Nuland chose to acknowledge and describe the “facilities” in response to a clear, simple question from Sen. Rubio about whether Ukraine possesses chemical and biological weapons. If these labs are merely designed to find a cure for cancer or create safety measures against pathogens, why, in Nuland’s mind, would it have anything to do with a biological and chemical weapons program in Ukraine?
 

 
The indisputable reality is that — despite long-standing international conventions banning development of biological weapons — all large, powerful countries conduct research that, at the very least, has the capacity to be converted into biological weapons. The work conducted under the guise of “defensive research” can, and sometimes is, easily converted into the banned weapons themselves. Recall that, according to the FBI, the 2001 anthrax attacks that terrorized the nation came from a U.S. Army Research scientist, Dr. Bruce Ivins, working at the U.S. Army’s infectious disease research lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland. The claim was that the Army was “merely” conducting defensive research to find vaccines and other protections against weaponized anthrax, but to do so, the Army had to create highly weaponized anthrax strains, which Ivins then unleashed as a weapon.
 
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A 2011 PBS Frontline program on those anthrax attacks explained: “in October 2001, Northern Arizona University microbiologist Dr. Paul Keim identified that the anthrax used in the attack letters was the Ames strain, a development he described as ‘chilling’ because that particular strain was developed in U.S. government laboratories.” Speaking to Frontline in 2011, Dr. Keim explained why it was so alarming to discover that the U.S. Army had been cultivating such highly lethal and dangerous strains in its lab, on U.S. soil:

We were surprised it was the Ames strain. And it was chilling at the same time, because the Ames strain is a laboratory strain that had been developed by the U.S. Army as a vaccine-challenge strain. We knew that it was highly virulent. In fact, that’s why the Army used it, because it represented a more potent challenge to vaccines that were being developed by the U.S. Army. It wasn’t just some random type of anthrax that you find in nature; it was a laboratory strain, and that was very significant to us, because that was the first hint that this might really be a bioterrorism event.

This lesson about the severe dangers of so-called dual-use research into biological weapons was re-learned over the last two years as a result of the COVID pandemic. While the origins of that virus have not yet been proven with dispositive evidence (though remember, fact-checkers declared early on that it was definitively established that it came from species-jumping and that any suggestion of a lab leak was a “conspiracy theory,” only for the Biden White House in mid-2021 to admit they did not know the origins and ordered an investigation to determine whether it came from a lab leak), what is certain is that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was manipulating various coronavirus strains to make them more contagious and lethal. The justification was that doing so is necessary to study how vaccines could be developed, but regardless of intent, cultivating dangerous biological strains has the capacity to kill huge numbers of people. All of this illustrates that research that is classified as “defensive” can easily be converted, deliberately or otherwise, into extremely destructive biological weapons.
 

Foreign Policy, Mar. 2, 2022.
 
At the very least, Nuland’s surprising revelation reveals, yet again, just how heavily involved the U.S. Government is and for years has been in Ukraine, on the part of Russia’s border which U.S. officials and scholars from across the spectrum have spent decades warning is the most sensitive and vulnerable for Moscow. It was Nuland herself, while working for Hillary Clinton and John Kerry’s State Department under President Obama, who was heavily involved in what some call the 2014 revolution and others call the “coup” that resulted in a change of government in Ukraine from a Moscow-friendly regime to one far more favorable to the EU and the West. All of this took place as the Ukrainian energy company Burisma paid $50,000 per month not to the son of a Ukrainian official but to Joe Biden’s son, Hunter: a reflection of who wielded real power inside Ukraine.

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Nuland is neo-con royalty. She was involved in the color revolution that disrupted a duly elected president o Ukraine

Fact checkers to rescue again. Great job!

Anyone remember me hounding on Comrade Greggie about Victoria Nuland? Oh, yeah, I did, many times.

Nuland was a key player in 2014 when she Obama administration organized a coup and ousted the duly elected Ukrainian president so Victoria Nuland could install the one she, and Obama, preferred. And once that happened, who was the U.S.’s point man in Ukraine? Hummm, does the name Joe Biden ring a bell.

Nuland’s dirty hands were put back in Ukraine when she entered the Biden Administration with many of the other Obama retreads. Her, Susan Rice (negotiations with Iran anyone?), Samatha Power, and all the other disgusting anti-Americans that now have clout with Biden through Ron Klain.

Open your eyes and what do you see? Obama 3.0

From RT
The Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, Maria Vladimirovna Zakharova, told the United States on Wednesday, “We have found your biological weapons!”
Another failure Vicky.

You do understand that RT is Putin’s state-run propaganda outlet, and that Zakharova has been sanctioned by the European Union for promoting the invasion of Russian Ukraine?

The biological weapons scam is going to be pitched in Russia as the rationalization for Putin’s war. They’ve been working this up for the past few days. No doubt they will “find” something. They might even create an incident involving bio-weapons as “evidence”.

Last edited 3 years ago by Greg

I know exactly what RT is fool. It was a press release from a person doing their job.
There is one and only one reason for Vicky to be worried about research falling into Russian hands. With small scientific samples why would Rubio be worried about a bio attack?
The Jig is up Greg just take the L, you were lied to yet again. This doesnt look like innocent vaccine research for a common flu bug, or possible cancer cure.

ICYDK
Oh the guy given the genetically altered pig heart died.

Last edited 3 years ago by kitt

Why would you believe anything coming from Putin or his propaganda outlet? They’ve totally locked down any media outlets in Russia that don’t correspond with Putin’s story to the letter. They’ve pretty much sealed the Russian public off from any coverage coming from the outside world. Russia has become a dictatorial police state—the antithesis of everything America and Western Europe stand for. Putin has come out as a war criminal and an enemy of humanity. He’s certainly the enemy of Western Civilization. This isn’t hyperbole. It’s observable reality.

“The Russian military has in recent days cut off food, water, heat, and medical supplies from major Ukrainian cities through siege tactics. Reports suggest the military has also intensified its use of indiscriminate aerial attacks on citizens. Attempts to establish humanitarian corridors for civilians fleeing the war have been frustrated by continued fighting and disagreements about the proposed routes.”

Last edited 3 years ago by Greg

They’ve totally locked down any media outlets in Russia that don’t correspond with Putin’s story to the letter. 

Putin won his election the same way Biden won his: he didn’t.

We’d believe Russian media the same way we’d believe Western media.

We wouldn’t.

Funny thing is that propaganda degrades seriously once the bullets fly.

Putin has come out as a war criminal and an enemy of humanity. He’s certainly the enemy of Western Civilization. 

From the Party installing a President who infamously said “the 80s called. They want their foreign policy back.”

Own this, you f*cking globalist totalitarian pig.

You caused it. No going back now.

Post another vid of Ukrainian kids singing. I love imagining you laying down on your silk sheets in Geneva, not losing a wink as those same kids now sing in bomb shelters.

Last edited 3 years ago by Nathan Blue

At some point our People are going to have to decide if we allow Biden unfettered access to governmental systems he legally shouldn’t be anywhere near.

Last edited 3 years ago by Nathan Blue

Poor Greg so desperate to put us in a box his media made for us.
One day Vicky gives sworn testimony about trying to keep bio labs out of russian hands the next minute there are no labs? They cant help but lie, we have the documents archived as the State dept scrubbed them, why would they do that? Is the old it isnt an embassy its an outpost kind of stuff. Those are not ISIS they are freedom fighters shooting at our troops and committing genocide on Christian sects.

We’d believe Russian media the same way we’d believe Western media.

Then why is Putin’s bullshit so frequently repeated here?

Proof? Sources?

Then why is Putin’s bullshit so frequently repeated here?

Yeah, because Democrat propaganda is the same as Putin’s propaganda.

Why would I believe anything from our MSM after years of lying about 45?
There is always a drop of truth in any effective lie or the lie is huge and needs to be repeated so much where ignorants like you think its true.

“June 17, 2010

U.S. Senator Dick Lugar applauded the opening of the Interim Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa, Ukraine this week announcing it will be instrumental in researching dangerous pathogens used by bioterrorists.”

EXCLUSIVE: Deleted Web Pages Show Obama Led an Effort To Build a Ukraine-Based BioLab Handling ‘Especially Dangerous Pathogens’. (thenationalpulse.com)

But nooooooooooooo, according to Comrade Greggie, U.S. funded bio labs in Ukraine is just more Russian propaganda like the Hunter Biden lap top contents were Russian disinformation.

Biolab opens in Ukraine | Bio Prep Watch (archive.org)

Last edited 3 years ago by retire05

Hint to rino Rubio dont ask questions you dont really want the answers to then provide cover by pre emptive well russia will use bio weapons Riiight Vicky? Well make sure to deny it later for those that only watch MSM. Lets recycle the cover for Wuhan.