The left, of course, wastes no time exploiting this tragedy to pursue their gun control agenda. They don’t know any of the details or circumstances, but the “common sense gun control” measures they already have prepared are intended to address these threats.
Stop teachers from playing psychiatrists. Arming the teachers is not a good idea, hiring trained guards is a good idea. The idiots will blame guns again making useless unenforced laws. This was an 18 year old fresh from all the SEL and CRT. Hey teachers suggest the kiddies take more mind altering drugs cause you cant control a classroom.
Respect for life is diminished. The left promotes confrontation, threats, violence against those they deem “fascists”, “racists”, “existential threats” and what not. Somehow, taking someone’s life is viewed as an acceptable option to conversation, debate or argument.
Unless you can show me the statistic from a reputable source, I will not accept your assertion that more people are killed by fire extinguishers than by firearms each year.
Unless you can show me the statistic from a reputable source, I will not accept your assertion that more people are killed by fire extinguishers than by firearms each year.
It’s a LIST, moron, and I didn’t say “firearms”, I said rifles. Try to keep up.
I appreciate that fact that you suggested something aimed at stopping a shooter who starts killing people, but the real problem is a deeper one. Let’s say that all schools get an armed guard. We still need to address the underlying problem of why people feel shooting stuff up is the best response to what they see going on around them in the world.
But kitt said I was. (Undoubtedly because she didn’t want to reveal her ignorance about SEL by trying to answer the question.)
All I’ve ever really claimed is that I’ve taught the SEL program purchased by our district. The lessons are about how to prevent bullying and how to stop and think before you do something in class that will get you in trouble.
Kitt understands nothing about SEL, and uses it as a scapegoat for everything.
The Left has suggested solutions. You’ve dismissed them. Fine. The Right needs a valid counterproposal. It’s not enough to say “mental health.” That’s just restating the problem. I’ve never heard anyone on the Right grapple with the question of how to proceed if mental health is the key to the solution.
You really, really haven’t given this problem a single second’s thought, have you?
There’s no point in listing stuff suggested by the Left. I’ve stipulated for you that not a single one will work. So: do you have anything to suggest instead?
There’s no point in listing stuff suggested by the Left.
It appears it’s you and the left that has given no thought whatsoever to any possibly successful solution to the problem. You can’t even specify the problem or recite one of your “solutions”. Didn’t idiot Biden offer up any good ones as he pretended to care about the tragedy he was exploiting?
Why do you want me to list the Left’s solutions? So you can point out that they won’t work? There’s no need; I’ve stipulated that for you.
So, if you already know they won’t work, why would you recommend them? You don’t even think enough of them to defend them but you think law abiding gun owners should be punished with them?
I’m recommending nothing. I’m here eager to listen to good ideas from the Right.
Curt’s suggesting stuff, but it seems to me like more of a band-aid—treating the symptoms, rather than focusing on the underlying problems. I’d love to hear any thoughts you might have about addressing those. Then I can share my thoughts on the same topic.
You mentioned mental health. You probably have some ideas on that topic and how it can be addressed to help solve the problem.
I’m recommending nothing. I’m here eager to listen to good ideas from the Right.
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You mentioned mental health. You probably have some ideas on that topic and how it can be addressed to help solve the problem.
Fair comment.
The big problem with schools is that teaching how to learn has been forgotten.
Debate is not taught.
Logic is not taught.
Fallacies of reasoning are not taught.
How to glean facts from opinions is not taught.
Students are taught to believe authorities, their teachers for the most part.
They are being spoon fed propaganda instead of being taught how to figure things out for themselves.
When they disagree with a teacher they are not debated or reproved why they might be wrong (or right.)
They are demonized.
So, pent-up frustration pops out in some way other than dialogue.
Lately we’ve been seeing a lot of shootings.
You’re right when you say that the expectations for teachers have changed over the years. I’m not allowed to do the same kind of job that I could do thirty-some years ago.
Some of the things you say are true. Some of them are off base. Our district’s curriculum includes argumentation and distinguishing fact from opinion, and I know that those are staples at other schools, too.
I don’t know what you mean when you say that kids are demonized when they disagree with a teacher. Most of the time, we just have to sit and take it when kids treat us like shit. The other day, a kid in a fourth-grade colleague’s class had a student stand up and shout, “Mrs. [teacher’s name] is fucking crazy!” Nothing came of it, because dealing with something means documenting the problem, and documenting the problem means the school gets a lower score from the district.
I’d need to know more about what you consider to be “propaganda” before I could address that. Your idea of what constitutes propaganda and my idea may have some overlap, but they’re probably pretty different.
I don’t know what you mean when you say that kids are demonized when they disagree with a teacher. Most of the time, we just have to sit and take it when kids treat us like shit. The other day, a kid in a fourth-grade colleague’s class had a student stand up and shout, “Mrs. [teacher’s name] is fucking crazy!”
That is NOT an example of disagreeing. It is a perfect example of what I was writing about when I said students are not being taught how to reason and debate.
As to the definition of propaganda, let’s agree to a dictionary definition:
With that definition in mind, I guess I’d have to ask for examples. There isn’t any propaganda that I can think of in the curriculum. It’s just the standard stuff: fractions, Age of Exploration, writing informative essay, the water cycle, and so on.
I don’t know where I’d have time to deliver any propaganda.
Remember before covid’s lockdowns let parents know exactly what was in all those school textbooks that students were not allowed to bring home before?
Revisionist history.
Math questions disguising extreme social constructs.
We were working toward an education system where the right answers didn’t matter so much as agreement with the right mental attitude.
Then parents homeschooled as well as oversaw their sons and daughters as they “learned from home.
Slipping hatred of the white race, of capitalism, of men who are straight, of the scientific method into lessons about history, math, science, etc., was exposed.
You seem so immersed in such slanted schooling that you don’t even recognize it.
When did consensus morph to replace the scientific method, for instance?
Ever read https://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf ?
I’ll give you kudos on one thing tho.
You can follow this thread and I can’t.
Since the replys are not indented you have to read everything over and over looking for new additions to the dialoge.
Most of the time, we just have to sit and take it when kids treat us like shit.
Discipline in schools is a gigantic problem. It simply isn’t maintained and it’s made worse by that Obama-era policy of singling minorities out for NO disciplinary action. In my day, disrespecting a teacher… or ANY adult, would have been trip to the principal’s office, probably licks, and then more punishment at home. I was raised to RESPECT adults, which means respecting other people. Allowing disrespect is TEACHING disrespect.
Part of the propaganda is rap music. The entertainment industry could take a little responsibility and stop with the gun/drug/violence culture promotion. Got a problem? Got a dispute? Popa cap in they ass, muffukka!
Like just about every teacher, I’m no psychologist, so I’m not sure about how to drive these hateful instincts out of CHILDREN’S minds. But, it’s much more important to address this than soaking their minds with CRT or transgender bullshit.
This guy is part of a larger, multifaceted problem in our society. You’ve alluded to it in this thread. I don’t know why you keep trying to reduce it to this one guy.
Damn. Until we know what motivated this particular lunatic, how do we know if the problem is widespread? Do you know NOTHING of problem solving? You have to identify the problem FIRST. THEN you develop solutions.
We have identified the problem. Violence is an acceptable problem-solving solution in our society in a way that is isn’t in lots of other industrialized democracies. The guy from yesterday is a data point, not the focus of the whole thing.
“WE” haven’t identified anything. YOU have your opinion, and it’s a little cliche.
Violence is an acceptable problem-solving solution in our society in a way that is isn’t in lots of other industrialized democracies.
Why do you think that, and what proof do have that violence doesn’t happen in the nebulous “industrialized democracies” you won’t name? What countries have solved the problem of human suffering and violence?
I think you’re believing the old “everything is better in Europe” myth. Europe is currently threatened by war.
So, what were this shooter’s specific problems he solved with violence? Since you have already identified those, you should be out Front with your solutions.
The Left has suggested solutions. You’ve dismissed them.
You said the left has solutions but you can’t cite a single one. You want to know what the RIGHT is going to do about a problem that the left perpetuates. The overall problem of suggesting or inciting violence as a solution for disagreement is, in my opinion, the problem. So, why don’t YOU on the left solve that problem, for starters.
Beyond that, aside from the horrific nature of this tragedy, we know NOTHING of the details, so suggesting a “gun control” solution is nothing but politics and exploitation.
“Beyond that, aside from the horrific nature of this tragedy, we know NOTHING of the details, so suggesting a “gun control” solution is nothing but politics and exploitation.”
I’ve written several times in this thread that I’m interested in dealing with the deeper societal issues, not just this one event.
You mentioned mental health. I was hoping that you’d tell me more about how you think that would look. I agree that it’s a serious problem, but I don’t know if the Right would be willing to give mental health professionals the power to enforce anything or the funds necessary to treat those who can’t afford to pay for health care.
You mentioned mental health. I was hoping that you’d tell me more about how you think that would look.
Don’t you think that before we discuss “solutions” we should know the “problems” first? Let’s know if the screen shot above is accurate. Let’s see what this guy posted. Let’s see how many warning signs were missed and what those warning signs were.
Guns don’t have mental problems. Guns don’t have emotions. Guns don’t “snap”. Guns are inanimate objects used in a way the holder chooses. Guns are not the problem and wasting time on THAT is simply yet another tragic crime.
“Guns don’t have mental problems. Guns don’t have emotions. Guns don’t “snap”. Guns are inanimate objects used in a way the holder chooses. Guns are not the problem and wasting time on THAT is simply yet another tragic crime.”
Sweet Jesus, you keep fighting against things I’m not saying.
Also: the trans individual pictured above is apparently not the shooter, so focusing on the perceived problems of that one person is not helpful.
Sweet Jesus, you keep fighting against things I’m not saying.
That’s how you started, with your reference to “gun aficionados”, so you can drop the sanctimonious umbrage. How do you know if the image above is not the shooter?
You present the problem YOU see and we’ll discuss possible solutions. Currently, everything brought up you run away from.
“Currently, everything brought up you run away from.”
As I’ve mentioned in this thread more than once, the larger problem I see is that shooting shit up is seen, in this society, as an acceptable solution to one’s problems. How do we change the predisposition to violence as a problem-solving strategy?
How do we change the predisposition to violence as a problem-solving strategy?
Start with stopping promoting it. Stop vilifying people one disagrees with. Stop separating people into hate groups. Stop promoting the idea that those with different viewpoints don’t deserve to live.
Meanwhile, harden schools. All doors can easily be made to only open From the inside. Arm every teacher that will willingly take the training. Make sure resource officers are in every school. Stop focusing on “white supremacists” and political opposition of the left and react to ALL threats presented in social media.
We need to stop lying to ourselves about what the problem actually is. That goddamn idiot Biden is the first that needs to change.
According to the picture of the shooter I just saw, that IS him in the photos above.
This false claim has been proliferating on social media with photos of a transgender person unrelated to the attack. The images appear to have been taken off the Reddit account of a transgender artist.
“So, ‘gun’ and ‘aficionado’ were just a couple of random words with no relation to the incident that you decided to use for no apparent reason.”
Nobody said that. I’m assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that not every person on the Right is adamant about the gun issue. I was suggesting that those who are—the gun aficionados among those on the Right—might step up and suggest what could be done about the issue.
Those of us on the right don’t see this tragedy as an opportunity to further an agenda, so we aren’t readily throwing “solutions” out (which, coincidentally, furthers a political agenda) that have no relationship to the actual problem.
What usually turns out to be the case is that existing laws and regulations could have been followed to have prevented this tragedy. We have to wait and see.
What usually turns out to be the case is that existing laws and regulations could have been followed to have prevented this tragedy. We have to wait and see.
I have spent the past—what? 16 hours?—telling you that I’m trying to take a look at the larger issue of violence in our society, and you persist in thinking that I’m talking about this one incident.
It’s your own raw hubris, informed by a godless ideology standing on the back of Christianity, that thinks you can solve or even minimize violence in our society.
Nothing can be “done” about the issue. I’d argue we stop normalizing trans, since this mentally ill man was taking on the delusion which most likely led to his desire to kill.
Identity confusion: a prime weapon of the Enemy.
He could have easily been driving a truck through a crowd of people, so the illogical and politically motivated (and totalitarian) desire on the Left to strip us of our Constitutional right to bear arms is easy to dismissed.
That’s the new “current thing” going around Leftist propaganda networks, and it’s simply not true.
Please give those nebulous and intentionally un-named “industrialized democracies” and also what those “same problems” are.
“To minimize suffering and to maximize security were natural and proper ends of society and Caesar. But then they became the only ends, somehow, and the only basis of law—a perversion. Inevitably, then, in seeking only them, we found only their opposites: maximum suffering and minimum security.” -Walter J Miller.
Please give those nebulous and intentionally un-named “industrialized democracies” and also what those “same problems” are.
Okay. Let’s look at the problem of homicide. Certainly that’s a common problem the world over. We’ll start with the rate of intentional homicide in order to compare apples to apples. (That’s the rate—the incidence per 100,000 people—not the raw numbers.)
The rate at which people in the United States kill one another is a little more than twelve times that of people in Italy. It’s twenty-one times the rate of homicide in Japan.
We might start by addressing the problem of mental illness by refusing to pretend to be surprised when a mentally ill person picks up a gun and murders 21 people. Is it a coincidence that once we stopped institutionalizing the mentally ill that these horrific and tragic incidents became more commonplace?
Society has a right to protect itself and hurting people’s feelings by putting them somewhere they can’t hurt other people may be unavoidable. But it may be the absolute minimum that can be done to protect us from those who, through no fault of their own, are incapable of restraining their impulse to commit violent acts.
Seizing guns from the mentally ill or preventing them from buying weapons is usually not an option.
If the left wants to go there, they could start with anyone that participated in a BLM/ANTIFA riot. Then they can transition to the Democrats who had nothing to say as ANTIFA took over six city blocks in Seattle and the leader handed out AR-15’s to anyone that would take one. Then, ban anyone that has ever voted for Democrats that encourage violence, such as Obama, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Waters, Booker, etc. Those are ALL mentally ill.
That addresses the point I’ve been trying to make.
There should also be mental health counseling made available for someone who seems to be heading down that path, but who hasn’t yet cross the threshold of “imminent danger to him- or herself and everyone around them.”
There “should be” a lot of things, namely a responsible pair of parents who raise a child well, instead of a broken family yielding a confused, homicidal TRANS kid who is suddenly the NRA’s responsibility instead of all this tax-payer funded counseling.
Counseling and mental health services don’t prevent mass killings or murders.
There is plenty of counseling available. What’s not available anymore, and as the article points out, is being able to institutionalize people like this killer before they commit these kind of crimes. The most LE can do is a 5150 hold for a few days. Then they’re back on the street. Most of these killers have no interest in going to counseling.
You said America had more violent crime, but that’s just not the case. Then you shifted to homicide, which is almost entirely isolated to poor black gang-riddled neighborhoods, and only affects those who live there.
America does not have more violent crime than the so-called “industrialized nations” you Leftist bots are all parroting like automatons.
Mass killings of children make Leftists happier than if they won the lottery.
Please give those nebulous and intentionally un-named “industrialized democracies” and also what those “same problems” are.
Still waiting for an answer.
Odd, since you’ve been arguing with me over the content of the answer. Anyway, as previously mentioned:
Okay. Let’s look at the problem of homicide. Certainly that’s a common problem the world over. We’ll start with the rate of intentional homicide in order to compare apples to apples. (That’s the rate—the incidence per 100,000 people—not the raw numbers.)
Japan: 0.3/100,000
Italy: 0.5/100,000
Ireland: 0.7/100,000
Germany: 0.8/100,000
France: 1.2/100,000
U.K.: 1.2/100,000
United States: 6.3/100,000
The rate at which people in the United States kill one another is a little more than twelve times that of people in Italy. It’s twenty-one times the rate of homicide in Japan.
OK. So let’s assume these numbers are real (which I don’t) for the sake of argument. Why does America have more homicide than these countries? No sane person would say “because we have guns” instead of a proper multi-varied analysis.
What do the numbers look like when you parse out LA, Chicago, and NYC?
The weak argument being made is that guns cause homicides, but that’s just not the case…is it.
Now, please address your original claim. You said America had more violent crime. That’s untrue, which is why you had to shift to homicide (which once you remove the American inner city black crime, America is no more dangerous than the countries you cited.).
You are, painfully, parroting the Leftist mantra that guns cause the crime, but then failing to prove that.
When you parse out inner city black crime, American crime is no different than these American-subsidized European nations who have little to know real diversity.
“If you remove the crimes from the crime statistics, America has no crime!”
But actually, if you do take out the stats from the largest Democrat run cities, US crime stats are pretty much in line with the rest of the world. I guess you could infer whatever you like from that.
I see that when you parse out black inner city, gang related crime (that doesn’t happen to everyone else), our crime stats are about the same as all those silly Euro nations that Leftists elevate without any data to support their claim.
There’s a reason Europe is now threatened by Russian tanks, btw.
Thanks for sharing data. What’s the overall point you see here?
That poverty drives crime. Sadly, blacks have been kept in poverty by Democrat policies. It is intentional to keep blacks in poverty and dependent upon the government dole. Trump’s economic policies were lifting blacks out of poverty with the lowest unemployment for blacks, Hispanics and women in decades.
This infuriated Democrats (because blacks began voting for Republicans) so they couldn’t get rid of Trump fast enough. It would appear keeping blacks in poverty, along with the resultant crime, was a Democrat goal.
You dont know a thing about getting kids to test at grade level, but with play with childrens emotions, age inappropriate sex education while parents are told to drug the kids when the brains are developing.
Mikey boi will choose 1 item from a list, its in his training ,to make an imbicile argument.
Tell me what gun control issue would have prevented this. None of us know any of the details of this yet. Demanding a “gun control” solution to this shooting is just attempting to exploit the tragedy. What tells you a “gun aficionado” would have the solution?
Deflection from my original point. The Left has a variety of steps to take that it believes will solve the problem. Let’s take the gun aficionados on the Right at their word. Stipulating for the sake of discussion that the Left’s ideas won’t work, the onus falls on the naysayers to propose solutions to the problem that can be discussed. That doesn’t happen.
Teachers should be allowed to have firearms. 1) If we trust them with our kids' minds we should trust them with their physical safety. 2) They have a 2nd amendment right as much as anyone. None would actually have to have them, just the credible threat is enough to deter.
Many do not trust them with our kids minds anymore, national testing averages are disgraceful. Anyone see how many “educators” were among the violent protesters that were attacking federal buildings in WA and OR?
The slaughter of 19 innocents happened in 1 classroom, that youngster was groomed into a skirt. Not only by “woke” educators but TV and media saying how brave it was to be a circus freak.
The President says we have to stand up against the gun lobby FFS what he means is stand up against the Constitution. Dont sell an 18 year old a weapon but hand him one if he joins the service, makes zero sense.
Im all for mandatory training when under 21. Bring back the times the guys used to drop off their hunting rifles with the principal and grab them for an after school rabbit hunt. Yup they walked right into the school with rifles in cases slung up on their shoulders and into the office with them. Jr. High. It never entered into their heads to actually shoot a person, even if they got into a scuffle as young boys often do. Not that long ago kids put meat on the table, under 16 they did not require a license to hunt.
What has changed from then to now? “Wait til your father comes home”
Media has turned images of Parents into those that need to be taught life lessons not those doing the instruction. School boards meetings a place where Parents are not allowed to have a say. Marked out as domestic terrorists by the feds we know that was pushed by “educators”.
Drugging the kiddies with mind altering substances, those get stronger as they age and the child builds a resistance. The side effects suicide and violence.
You say we dont have solutions, where did all the Covid cash doled out to the closed schools go? Why cant they make sure no door can be opened from the outside without being “buzzed in” or a ID card slipped into a slot?
Seems the schools are run by highly educated idiots and it gets worse in college.
Tell you a little story. My mother and father were divorced 1965. I lived with my mother and two brothers. When the movie Bonnie and Clyde came out, I was fascinated with it, though I don’t think I was obsessed. I liked the cars and the music. It worried my mother, apparently.
She made sure I saw other information about their crime spree. Now, I never fanaticized about going on a crime spree or being mascaraed by law enforcement and I realized exactly what she was doing. The point is, she took the time and effort to head off a threat as she saw it.
Sadly, most parents today have no idea what their children are into. Worse, many of them don’t even care.
Government doesn’t prevent crimes. It watches as defenseless people are killed—then passes laws that only impede peaceable people from exercising their rights.
Private security w/ economic incentives for stopping attacks + minimizing loss of life would be superior to govt. https://t.co/PvyRUHj0ZO
— Firearms Policy Coalition (@gunpolicy) May 25, 2022
Okay. Got it. Let’s say that “Private security w/ economic incentives for stopping attacks + minimizing loss of life” is on the list of things we’ll do, and you’re the guy who’ll administer the program, and you’ll get as big a budget as you think you need.
What’s the next step? How do we move to a society where people don’t want to shoot shit up in the first place?
I’ve read all your entries and basically you are doing nothing but playing devil’s advocate with your “let’s say the left’s ideas don’t work so what is are the ideas of the right?”
The left has had 56 years to figure out why someone would want to shoot up a school and murder students, and teachers. And all we ever got was “Only the government should have guns” which worked out really, really well.
The real evil of the Left is their members following and living Christian understandings of the world, but then pushing the idolatrous and satanic view that mankind can solve sin and stop all violence by simply forcing some kind of Atheist ideology. So effective has the narrative of “everything wrong in the world is caused by religion” been that we’re left to stop these fools in their pursuit of simple genocide.
The Left doesn’t want to solve the problem. The want the problem to persist so they can use it as a reason to kill us all off.
they want to stop children from getting murdered by making it easier for them to get murdered? This is what your brain sounds like when it's received 12000 pile-drivers. Just say that the convenience of getting any gun you want is more important than a child not getting murdered
Yes, dismissed the ONE solution the Left has: take away guns.
Dismissed indeed. If you want them, you’ll have to stop hiding behind a weak ideology and show us who you really are and what you really want.
Thankfully only beta-men who enjoy watching the government do their dirty work for them, as they will never rise to the call of actually fighting for what they know is right…
“The President of the United States, frail, confused, bitterly partisan, desecrating the memory of recently murdered children with tired talking points of the Democratic Party, dividing the country in a moment of deep pain rather than uniting.”
– Tucker
There have been lots of ideas. One good one is to impose harsh penalties for crimes with guns. Then, stop letting violent criminals right back on the street. Prosecute crimes. Enforce the rules on the books; federal authorities with the responsibilities of enforcing the background checks could do THEIR jobs. When someone is presenting themselves as a threat, deal with them. Get them mental health or punish them accordingly.
Tell me this: if you believe in gun control and restriction of ownership, how do you propose to accomplish that with a wide open southern border? If the government can’t stop a 200 lb man from crossing the border illegally, how would they stop guns from being smuggled in by the hundreds?
The REAL problem is that all the left wants to accomplish is disarming the public and the way to accomplish that is by the law abiding giving up their guns. That, of course, is not the problem and NOT the solution.
“When someone is presenting themselves as a threat, deal with them. Get them mental health or punish them accordingly.”
This is a sticking point. Everyone on the Right says “mental health,” but then don’t want to let mental health professionals have any kind of control over whether they can have a gun. They also don’t want to pay for mental health care for those flagged individuals who can’t afford it on their own.
This is a sticking point. Everyone on the Right says “mental health,” but then don’t want to let mental health professionals have any kind of control over whether they can have a gun.
Do we? Every one? Well, you are simply full of shit. The problem is what you leftists want to deem “mental health”. It has been proposed, by the left, that anyone on Social Security that requires help with medication be denied gun ownership, as if needing help with blood pressure medication makes someone unstable.
Nancy Landa wanted to have her son Adam institutionalized because she was afraid of him and though he was a threat. She tried to have him committed but the ACLU had gotten a law passed that prevented it. Adam got wind of it, stole his mother’s gun and killed her with it. His next stop was the Sandy Hook school.
Explain how “common sense gun control” would have prevented that.
They also don’t want to pay for mental health care for those flagged individuals who can’t afford it on their own.
You live in a Christian-build nation, and have the luxury of believing you can end violence and human suffering if you merely use the government to spend money on it, and conveniently blame everything on the “other side.”
The gun did not kill, the mentally deranged tranny killed the victims
I seriously think most of these mass shootings are planned by the FBI, using ppl they already know about{as most are} and/or were caught, then hired to push gun control.
Sure only a nut would believe the government allowed gun running to drug cartels. Just ask Holder, he was in contempt of congress, no punishment for him.
You might be right but FA has a delete feature that disappears after someone quotes or comments on your comment so it can’t be deleted by the author.
Anyway, I’d adjust it NOT delete it IF & WHEN it is PROVEN he was not taking selfies in skirts.
He wore eyeliner, that we know.
He was self-identifying as an incel emo goth according to co-workers at Wendys.
Despite all those supposedly great anti-bullying programs at the schools, he was bullied, when he went there, mercilessly.
Why he lashed out on children instead of his peers (and grandmother) is a mystery that will never be explained.
With all his issues and problems the fact that he was not put onto any mental health list to preclude his gun purchases falls on the teachers, administrators and medical community of the area.
But no, modern thinking is that he, with all his baggage was OK while white males, Christians, straight people, business owners, old people, conservative people and more are all to be looked upon as enemies.
The kid had a stutter, bad temper and mom was a drug addict, he chose to live with granny, the one he shot in the face. He did not have a drivers license and stole the Grandparents truck.
He may have been damaged by moms drug use during pregnancy. If thats the case no amount of mental health would have helped. There doesnt seem to be any father in the picture another known issue for young men.
There seems to be an issue where the school was on lockdown but a door was left open, the door he found after crashing the grandparents truck.
I’ll maintain this guy is trans for now. Merely following the Leftist precedence on things, since many Leftists still think Trump had some ties to Russia.
Social media users claim images of a person holding a transgender flag show the 18-year-old gunman behind a deadly Texas shooting spree. This is false; the posts misappropriate photos of a transgender artist who posted them on Reddit.
“NO mental illness here of any kind so let’s blame the guns… Here is your Texas school shooter, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, from North Dakota,” says a Facebook post published May 25, 2022. “They will bury who this monster is.”
The post includes several purported images of Ramos, who was killed by police after murdering 19 children and two teachers in a May 24, 2022 mass shooting at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, a town about an hour from the Mexico border. One photo in the post shows a person holding a blue, pink and white transgender flag.
The claim appears to have first circulated on the anonymous messaging board 4chan, where several users posted the same photo with the transgender flag on May 24, 2022.
Republican US Congressman Paul Gosar amplified the narrative in a now-deleted tweet in which he claimed Ramos was a “transsexual leftist illegal alien.” Other social media posts have also falsely claimed Ramos, who Texas officials said was a US citizen, was an undocumented immigrant.
But some of the photos shared in the posts do not show Ramos and AFP could find no evidence that he was transgender.
A reverse image search indicates the photo featuring the transgender flag was published on Reddit in early April 2022.
“thought I’d provoke the transphobs,” says the caption on the post from user Apprehensive_Ad_995.
On April 29, 2022, the same user posted a photo of the black T-shirt and red skirt featured in some of the social media posts. “I got a new skirt and I think it’s my favorite,” the Reddit post caption says.
Apprehensive_Ad_995, a self-identified transgender artist, has debunked claims that the images show Ramos. “it’s not me, I don’t even live in texas,” the user said in a May 24, 2022 Reddit post.
“People are threatening me and harassing me for no reason. They are actively trying to ruin my life instead of helping the families who were affected,” the user wrote in a comment on the May 24 thread. ..
On May 25, Apprehensive_Ad_995 posted an image holding piece of paper with the date as proof. AFP reached out to Apprehensive_Ad_995 for additional comment.
Other photos shared in the social media posts do show Ramos, who shot his grandmother before attacking Robb Elementary.
At least two images — including a black-and-white photo and a mirror selfie — stem from a now-removed Instagram account belonging to the teenager, who was reportedly bullied in middle school. Another image of Ramos against a blue background was released by local law enforcement officials.
AFP reached out to the Texas Department of Public Safety for additional comment.
Authorities Investigating Retired Federal Agent Having Contact with Buffalo Shooter Before Attack
In a disturbing twist to the Buffalo supermarket shooting that left ten people dead and three more wounded, a report is now surfacing that at least one retired federal agent was in contact with the shooter during his planning and was sent a message of intent 30 minutes before the attack began.
New York – Law enforcement officers are investigating whether a retired federal agent had about 30 minutes advance notice of a white supremacist’s plans to murder Black people at a Buffalo supermarket, two law enforcement officials told The Buffalo News.
Authorities believe the former agent – believed to be from Texas – was one of at least six individuals who regularly communicated with accused gunman Payton Gendron in an online chat room where racist hatred was discussed, the two officials said
We were told what to do and how the Founder’s created the system with checks, balances, and resets …
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.” – Thomas Jefferson
New shooter today.
A tranny guy.
Hispanic, too.
Salvador Ramos.
The left, of course, wastes no time exploiting this tragedy to pursue their gun control agenda. They don’t know any of the details or circumstances, but the “common sense gun control” measures they already have prepared are intended to address these threats.
It would be nice if the gun aficionados on the Right would make some real suggestions about how to turn this around.
Stop teachers from playing psychiatrists. Arming the teachers is not a good idea, hiring trained guards is a good idea. The idiots will blame guns again making useless unenforced laws. This was an 18 year old fresh from all the SEL and CRT. Hey teachers suggest the kiddies take more mind altering drugs cause you cant control a classroom.
Tell me about the kinds of “SEL and CRT” lessons that you believe led to this.
You are the expert, this is the 2nd fresh mental case this week.
“You are the expert”
Okay. As the expert, I’m saying that SEL lessons did not lead to this.
End of discussion, I guess, since I’m the expert.
Ok something is happening in schools that make young males want to shoot up schools
Respect for life is diminished. The left promotes confrontation, threats, violence against those they deem “fascists”, “racists”, “existential threats” and what not. Somehow, taking someone’s life is viewed as an acceptable option to conversation, debate or argument.
“Somehow, taking someone’s life is viewed as an acceptable option to conversation, debate or argument.”
Agreed, and guns are increasingly seen as a handy tool for implementing that option.
So are knives, hatchets, cars, fire extinguishers, subways, fists, feet… all are used more than rifles to kill.
Unless you can show me the statistic from a reputable source, I will not accept your assertion that more people are killed by fire extinguishers than by firearms each year.
It’s a LIST, moron, and I didn’t say “firearms”, I said rifles. Try to keep up.
So a lot of different methods all put together in a list cause more deaths than those caused by one specific type of firearm?
You’re not wowing me with that most obvious of facts.
Yeah, that’s exactly right: one type of weapon that the left goes apoplectic about.
2018, more people killed with hands and feet that with all long guns combined
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/fbi-more-people-killed-with-knives-hammers-clubs-and-even-feet-than-rifles-in-2018/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork&fbclid=IwAR2pn7Lna_98C05acLxOkZkovuSSEABV0LAAaci2DzCRC8co0H4QjBn3mZs
Something is happening in society that is making people want to shoot up lots of places. That’s what we need to deal with.
https://twitter.com/bonchieredstate/status/1529242513004969985
But but…defund the police.
Awesome solution to a problem by the left.
I appreciate that fact that you suggested something aimed at stopping a shooter who starts killing people, but the real problem is a deeper one. Let’s say that all schools get an armed guard. We still need to address the underlying problem of why people feel shooting stuff up is the best response to what they see going on around them in the world.
Why is it every time I hit the “f” key, I am taken to a video? Is this happening to anyone else?
It is back. Was happening a few weeks back. I hit the esc key and I go back to my comment.
Hit the “F” key again and it returns. By the way, it appears CAPITAL “F” doesn’t trigger the shift.
hmm
Alright, so you are definitely NOT the expert.
“Alright, so you are definitely NOT the expert.”
But kitt said I was. (Undoubtedly because she didn’t want to reveal her ignorance about SEL by trying to answer the question.)
All I’ve ever really claimed is that I’ve taught the SEL program purchased by our district. The lessons are about how to prevent bullying and how to stop and think before you do something in class that will get you in trouble.
Kitt understands nothing about SEL, and uses it as a scapegoat for everything.
But then you proved you weren’t. You understand nothing about guns and gun control.
I proved I wasn’t what? An expert on SEL? I said that already:
“All I’ve ever really claimed is that I’ve taught the SEL program purchased by our district.”
OK, enough of this dancing around. Concentrate on the other questions about your left’s problem-solving gun control suggestions.
The Left has suggested solutions. You’ve dismissed them. Fine. The Right needs a valid counterproposal. It’s not enough to say “mental health.” That’s just restating the problem. I’ve never heard anyone on the Right grapple with the question of how to proceed if mental health is the key to the solution.
Again, what are they? Which one would have been effective in this tragedy?
You really, really haven’t given this problem a single second’s thought, have you?
There’s no point in listing stuff suggested by the Left. I’ve stipulated for you that not a single one will work. So: do you have anything to suggest instead?
It appears it’s you and the left that has given no thought whatsoever to any possibly successful solution to the problem. You can’t even specify the problem or recite one of your “solutions”. Didn’t idiot Biden offer up any good ones as he pretended to care about the tragedy he was exploiting?
Why do you want me to list the Left’s solutions? So you can point out that they won’t work? There’s no need; I’ve stipulated that for you.
So, if you already know they won’t work, why would you recommend them? You don’t even think enough of them to defend them but you think law abiding gun owners should be punished with them?
“why would you recommend them?”
I’m recommending nothing. I’m here eager to listen to good ideas from the Right.
Curt’s suggesting stuff, but it seems to me like more of a band-aid—treating the symptoms, rather than focusing on the underlying problems. I’d love to hear any thoughts you might have about addressing those. Then I can share my thoughts on the same topic.
You mentioned mental health. You probably have some ideas on that topic and how it can be addressed to help solve the problem.
Fair comment.
The big problem with schools is that teaching how to learn has been forgotten.
Debate is not taught.
Logic is not taught.
Fallacies of reasoning are not taught.
How to glean facts from opinions is not taught.
Students are taught to believe authorities, their teachers for the most part.
They are being spoon fed propaganda instead of being taught how to figure things out for themselves.
When they disagree with a teacher they are not debated or reproved why they might be wrong (or right.)
They are demonized.
So, pent-up frustration pops out in some way other than dialogue.
Lately we’ve been seeing a lot of shootings.
You’re right when you say that the expectations for teachers have changed over the years. I’m not allowed to do the same kind of job that I could do thirty-some years ago.
Some of the things you say are true. Some of them are off base. Our district’s curriculum includes argumentation and distinguishing fact from opinion, and I know that those are staples at other schools, too.
I don’t know what you mean when you say that kids are demonized when they disagree with a teacher. Most of the time, we just have to sit and take it when kids treat us like shit. The other day, a kid in a fourth-grade colleague’s class had a student stand up and shout, “Mrs. [teacher’s name] is fucking crazy!” Nothing came of it, because dealing with something means documenting the problem, and documenting the problem means the school gets a lower score from the district.
I’d need to know more about what you consider to be “propaganda” before I could address that. Your idea of what constitutes propaganda and my idea may have some overlap, but they’re probably pretty different.
That is NOT an example of disagreeing.
It is a perfect example of what I was writing about when I said students are not being taught how to reason and debate.
As to the definition of propaganda, let’s agree to a dictionary definition:
propaganda noun [ U ] us / ˌprɑp·əˈɡæn·də / information or ideas that are spread by an organized group or government to influence people’s opinions, esp. by not giving all the facts or by secretly emphasizing only one way of looking at the facts (Definition of propaganda from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)
With that definition in mind, I guess I’d have to ask for examples. There isn’t any propaganda that I can think of in the curriculum. It’s just the standard stuff: fractions, Age of Exploration, writing informative essay, the water cycle, and so on.
I don’t know where I’d have time to deliver any propaganda.
Remember before covid’s lockdowns let parents know exactly what was in all those school textbooks that students were not allowed to bring home before?
Revisionist history.
Math questions disguising extreme social constructs.
We were working toward an education system where the right answers didn’t matter so much as agreement with the right mental attitude.
Then parents homeschooled as well as oversaw their sons and daughters as they “learned from home.
Slipping hatred of the white race, of capitalism, of men who are straight, of the scientific method into lessons about history, math, science, etc., was exposed.
You seem so immersed in such slanted schooling that you don’t even recognize it.
When did consensus morph to replace the scientific method, for instance?
Ever read https://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf ?
I’ll give you kudos on one thing tho.
You can follow this thread and I can’t.
Since the replys are not indented you have to read everything over and over looking for new additions to the dialoge.
Test
Hmmm…you’re right, they are not indented in this thread. I’ll look into it.
It appears all these replies are to Nan’s comment and they are indented from that comment.
Not at all. I’ve never worked in a district where that was the case.
Discipline in schools is a gigantic problem. It simply isn’t maintained and it’s made worse by that Obama-era policy of singling minorities out for NO disciplinary action. In my day, disrespecting a teacher… or ANY adult, would have been trip to the principal’s office, probably licks, and then more punishment at home. I was raised to RESPECT adults, which means respecting other people. Allowing disrespect is TEACHING disrespect.
Part of the propaganda is rap music. The entertainment industry could take a little responsibility and stop with the gun/drug/violence culture promotion. Got a problem? Got a dispute? Popa cap in they ass, muffukka!
Like just about every teacher, I’m no psychologist, so I’m not sure about how to drive these hateful instincts out of CHILDREN’S minds. But, it’s much more important to address this than soaking their minds with CRT or transgender bullshit.
“soaking their minds with CRT or transgender bullshit”
This doesn’t seem to be as prevalent as you appear to think.
Neither are school shootings.
“Neither are school shootings.”
As I mentioned yesterday, I’m seeing this as part of a larger societal problem. You seem to feel that way, as well. Why are you still on the attack?
Because we don’t yet know what this guy’s actual problem was.
This guy is part of a larger, multifaceted problem in our society. You’ve alluded to it in this thread. I don’t know why you keep trying to reduce it to this one guy.
Damn. Until we know what motivated this particular lunatic, how do we know if the problem is widespread? Do you know NOTHING of problem solving? You have to identify the problem FIRST. THEN you develop solutions.
We have identified the problem. Violence is an acceptable problem-solving solution in our society in a way that is isn’t in lots of other industrialized democracies. The guy from yesterday is a data point, not the focus of the whole thing.
“WE” haven’t identified anything. YOU have your opinion, and it’s a little cliche.
Why do you think that, and what proof do have that violence doesn’t happen in the nebulous “industrialized democracies” you won’t name? What countries have solved the problem of human suffering and violence?
I think you’re believing the old “everything is better in Europe” myth. Europe is currently threatened by war.
So, what were this shooter’s specific problems he solved with violence? Since you have already identified those, you should be out Front with your solutions.
That’s a fact.
You said the left has solutions but you can’t cite a single one. You want to know what the RIGHT is going to do about a problem that the left perpetuates. The overall problem of suggesting or inciting violence as a solution for disagreement is, in my opinion, the problem. So, why don’t YOU on the left solve that problem, for starters.
Beyond that, aside from the horrific nature of this tragedy, we know NOTHING of the details, so suggesting a “gun control” solution is nothing but politics and exploitation.
“Beyond that, aside from the horrific nature of this tragedy, we know NOTHING of the details, so suggesting a “gun control” solution is nothing but politics and exploitation.”
I’ve written several times in this thread that I’m interested in dealing with the deeper societal issues, not just this one event.
You mentioned mental health. I was hoping that you’d tell me more about how you think that would look. I agree that it’s a serious problem, but I don’t know if the Right would be willing to give mental health professionals the power to enforce anything or the funds necessary to treat those who can’t afford to pay for health care.
Don’t you think that before we discuss “solutions” we should know the “problems” first? Let’s know if the screen shot above is accurate. Let’s see what this guy posted. Let’s see how many warning signs were missed and what those warning signs were.
Guns don’t have mental problems. Guns don’t have emotions. Guns don’t “snap”. Guns are inanimate objects used in a way the holder chooses. Guns are not the problem and wasting time on THAT is simply yet another tragic crime.
“Guns don’t have mental problems. Guns don’t have emotions. Guns don’t “snap”. Guns are inanimate objects used in a way the holder chooses. Guns are not the problem and wasting time on THAT is simply yet another tragic crime.”
Sweet Jesus, you keep fighting against things I’m not saying.
Also: the trans individual pictured above is apparently not the shooter, so focusing on the perceived problems of that one person is not helpful.
That’s how you started, with your reference to “gun aficionados”, so you can drop the sanctimonious umbrage. How do you know if the image above is not the shooter?
You present the problem YOU see and we’ll discuss possible solutions. Currently, everything brought up you run away from.
“Currently, everything brought up you run away from.”
As I’ve mentioned in this thread more than once, the larger problem I see is that shooting shit up is seen, in this society, as an acceptable solution to one’s problems. How do we change the predisposition to violence as a problem-solving strategy?
Start with stopping promoting it. Stop vilifying people one disagrees with. Stop separating people into hate groups. Stop promoting the idea that those with different viewpoints don’t deserve to live.
Meanwhile, harden schools. All doors can easily be made to only open From the inside. Arm every teacher that will willingly take the training. Make sure resource officers are in every school. Stop focusing on “white supremacists” and political opposition of the left and react to ALL threats presented in social media.
We need to stop lying to ourselves about what the problem actually is. That goddamn idiot Biden is the first that needs to change.
According to the picture of the shooter I just saw, that IS him in the photos above.
From Business Insider:
Even Gosar deleted his tweets.
I’d trust Business Insider like I would trust a leftist to solve a problem. Let’s wait and see what the truth is. “Fact checkers” are not credible
That is complete conjecture. This man was mentally ill.
Yup
So “aficionado” is a trigger word now.
So, “gun” and “aficionado” were just a couple of random words with no relation to the incident that you decided to use for no apparent reason. I see.
Well, I expect a rabid, gun-hating liberal to give me their solutions to the apparent problem. Where is that?
“So, ‘gun’ and ‘aficionado’ were just a couple of random words with no relation to the incident that you decided to use for no apparent reason.”
Nobody said that. I’m assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that not every person on the Right is adamant about the gun issue. I was suggesting that those who are—the gun aficionados among those on the Right—might step up and suggest what could be done about the issue.
Those of us on the right don’t see this tragedy as an opportunity to further an agenda, so we aren’t readily throwing “solutions” out (which, coincidentally, furthers a political agenda) that have no relationship to the actual problem.
What usually turns out to be the case is that existing laws and regulations could have been followed to have prevented this tragedy. We have to wait and see.
I have spent the past—what? 16 hours?—telling you that I’m trying to take a look at the larger issue of violence in our society, and you persist in thinking that I’m talking about this one incident.
It’s your own raw hubris, informed by a godless ideology standing on the back of Christianity, that thinks you can solve or even minimize violence in our society.
I have addressed the larger issue. Re-read my posts. You haven’t addressed anything. You allude to things but don’t specify or take a position.
Nothing can be “done” about the issue. I’d argue we stop normalizing trans, since this mentally ill man was taking on the delusion which most likely led to his desire to kill.
Identity confusion: a prime weapon of the Enemy.
He could have easily been driving a truck through a crowd of people, so the illogical and politically motivated (and totalitarian) desire on the Left to strip us of our Constitutional right to bear arms is easy to dismissed.
And it IS dismissed.
That’s odd, because other industrialized democracies aren’t facing the same problems.
That’s the new “current thing” going around Leftist propaganda networks, and it’s simply not true.
Please give those nebulous and intentionally un-named “industrialized democracies” and also what those “same problems” are.
“To minimize suffering and to maximize security were natural and proper ends of society and Caesar. But then they became the only ends, somehow, and the only basis of law—a perversion. Inevitably, then, in seeking only them, we found only their opposites: maximum suffering and minimum security.” -Walter J Miller.
Okay. Let’s look at the problem of homicide. Certainly that’s a common problem the world over. We’ll start with the rate of intentional homicide in order to compare apples to apples. (That’s the rate—the incidence per 100,000 people—not the raw numbers.)
Japan: 0.3/100,000
Italy: 0.5/100,000
Ireland: 0.7/100,000
Germany: 0.8/100,000
France: 1.2/100,000
U.K.: 1.2/100,000
United States: 6.3/100,000
The rate at which people in the United States kill one another is a little more than twelve times that of people in Italy. It’s twenty-one times the rate of homicide in Japan.
Source
I’ve made none of those points in this thread, but thanks for sharing.
You are very welcome
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If the left wants to go there, they could start with anyone that participated in a BLM/ANTIFA riot. Then they can transition to the Democrats who had nothing to say as ANTIFA took over six city blocks in Seattle and the leader handed out AR-15’s to anyone that would take one. Then, ban anyone that has ever voted for Democrats that encourage violence, such as Obama, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Waters, Booker, etc. Those are ALL mentally ill.
That addresses the point I’ve been trying to make.
There should also be mental health counseling made available for someone who seems to be heading down that path, but who hasn’t yet cross the threshold of “imminent danger to him- or herself and everyone around them.”
There “should be” a lot of things, namely a responsible pair of parents who raise a child well, instead of a broken family yielding a confused, homicidal TRANS kid who is suddenly the NRA’s responsibility instead of all this tax-payer funded counseling.
Counseling and mental health services don’t prevent mass killings or murders.
Look it up.
There is plenty of counseling available. What’s not available anymore, and as the article points out, is being able to institutionalize people like this killer before they commit these kind of crimes. The most LE can do is a 5150 hold for a few days. Then they’re back on the street. Most of these killers have no interest in going to counseling.
“Most of these killers have no interest in going to counseling.”
That’s definitely a problem.
Meh. Counseling does not prevent this. Leftists continue to grasp at straws. The truth is a unhealthy culture produces people like this.
You said America had more violent crime, but that’s just not the case. Then you shifted to homicide, which is almost entirely isolated to poor black gang-riddled neighborhoods, and only affects those who live there.
America does not have more violent crime than the so-called “industrialized nations” you Leftist bots are all parroting like automatons.
Mass killings of children make Leftists happier than if they won the lottery.
“Then you shifted to homicide”
Because you asked me to get specific about problems faced by both the United States and other countries.
“Then you shifted to homicide, which is almost entirely isolated to poor black gang-riddled neighborhoods, and only affects those who live there.”
So it doesn’t count, or something?
No I didn’t. You made a baseless claim about violent crime.
No, it doesn’t.
Yes, you did. You even said “please”:
Still waiting for an answer.
Please.
You gotta be either dumb or a paid troll, with this level of idiot verbal gymnastics.
Just concede you have nothing to offer.
Odd, since you’ve been arguing with me over the content of the answer. Anyway, as previously mentioned:
Again, you’re not giving stats on violent crime.
Still waiting.
OK. So let’s assume these numbers are real (which I don’t) for the sake of argument. Why does America have more homicide than these countries? No sane person would say “because we have guns” instead of a proper multi-varied analysis.
What do the numbers look like when you parse out LA, Chicago, and NYC?
The weak argument being made is that guns cause homicides, but that’s just not the case…is it.
Now, please address your original claim. You said America had more violent crime. That’s untrue, which is why you had to shift to homicide (which once you remove the American inner city black crime, America is no more dangerous than the countries you cited.).
“If you remove the crimes from the crime statistics, America has no crime!”
Nah. No one thinks that.
You are, painfully, parroting the Leftist mantra that guns cause the crime, but then failing to prove that.
When you parse out inner city black crime, American crime is no different than these American-subsidized European nations who have little to know real diversity.
My damn guns must be defective, Years and years they havent killed anyone. I know for sure they are a cordless hole puncher from target practice.
But actually, if you do take out the stats from the largest Democrat run cities, US crime stats are pretty much in line with the rest of the world. I guess you could infer whatever you like from that.
You mean the numbers in the answer you say you’re still waiting for? You should pick one story and stick with it.
Yes, still waiting for the numbers on violent crime. You deflected to homicide because you don’t have data to support your bullshit statement.
Still waiting.
Give me some numbers whenever you see fit.
Just so other readers know, this is obviously a different person using the “Michael” account.
I guess he’s on vacation away from the Beltway for a little, with another Bureau-crat taking a turn.
The CDC breaks this down by race and it is interesting that the USA has such a racial diparity in homicides when looked at this way:
Thanks for sharing data. What’s the overall point you see here?
I see that when you parse out black inner city, gang related crime (that doesn’t happen to everyone else), our crime stats are about the same as all those silly Euro nations that Leftists elevate without any data to support their claim.
There’s a reason Europe is now threatened by Russian tanks, btw.
That poverty drives crime. Sadly, blacks have been kept in poverty by Democrat policies. It is intentional to keep blacks in poverty and dependent upon the government dole. Trump’s economic policies were lifting blacks out of poverty with the lowest unemployment for blacks, Hispanics and women in decades.
This infuriated Democrats (because blacks began voting for Republicans) so they couldn’t get rid of Trump fast enough. It would appear keeping blacks in poverty, along with the resultant crime, was a Democrat goal.
Other “industrialized nations” have the same problems we do, bub.
UK, trending up since 2012
https://www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in-england-and-wales/
US, trending up but dipping since 2014.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191129/reported-violent-crime-in-the-us-since-1990/
You’re deceptive efforts to simply reduce crime to the existence of guns in society is asinine, and completely dismissed.
That’s one thing I haven’t suggested in this thread.
Yes you have.
Actually, many are. They are simply driven by different motives.
One thing is for certain. Listening to the Democrats exploiting the tragedy, NO solutions will come from that quarter.
You dont know a thing about getting kids to test at grade level, but with play with childrens emotions, age inappropriate sex education while parents are told to drug the kids when the brains are developing.
Mikey boi will choose 1 item from a list, its in his training ,to make an imbicile argument.
“You dont know a thing about getting kids to test at grade level”
You’ve never seen my test scores.
Tell me what gun control issue would have prevented this. None of us know any of the details of this yet. Demanding a “gun control” solution to this shooting is just attempting to exploit the tragedy. What tells you a “gun aficionado” would have the solution?
“What tells you a ‘gun aficionado’ would have the solution?”
My point is that gun aficionados on the Right are up to bat on this, since they’ve dismissed out of hand every suggestion by the Left.
What leftist suggestion would have prevented this?
Deflection from my original point. The Left has a variety of steps to take that it believes will solve the problem. Let’s take the gun aficionados on the Right at their word. Stipulating for the sake of discussion that the Left’s ideas won’t work, the onus falls on the naysayers to propose solutions to the problem that can be discussed. That doesn’t happen.
Like… what? Cmon… gimme.
“Like… what? Cmon… gimme.”
To what end? You’ve already dismissed them. What would be the point of going over it again?
I’m taking you at your word: the Left’s ideas on the topic suck. So what real solutions are being presented by the Right?
How can I dismiss them when you haven’t expressed them?
Many do not trust them with our kids minds anymore, national testing averages are disgraceful. Anyone see how many “educators” were among the violent protesters that were attacking federal buildings in WA and OR?
The slaughter of 19 innocents happened in 1 classroom, that youngster was groomed into a skirt. Not only by “woke” educators but TV and media saying how brave it was to be a circus freak.
The President says we have to stand up against the gun lobby FFS what he means is stand up against the Constitution. Dont sell an 18 year old a weapon but hand him one if he joins the service, makes zero sense.
Im all for mandatory training when under 21. Bring back the times the guys used to drop off their hunting rifles with the principal and grab them for an after school rabbit hunt. Yup they walked right into the school with rifles in cases slung up on their shoulders and into the office with them. Jr. High. It never entered into their heads to actually shoot a person, even if they got into a scuffle as young boys often do. Not that long ago kids put meat on the table, under 16 they did not require a license to hunt.
Now it does. Isn’t it worthwhile trying to find out why, and what can be done about it?
What has changed from then to now? “Wait til your father comes home”
Media has turned images of Parents into those that need to be taught life lessons not those doing the instruction. School boards meetings a place where Parents are not allowed to have a say. Marked out as domestic terrorists by the feds we know that was pushed by “educators”.
Drugging the kiddies with mind altering substances, those get stronger as they age and the child builds a resistance. The side effects suicide and violence.
You say we dont have solutions, where did all the Covid cash doled out to the closed schools go? Why cant they make sure no door can be opened from the outside without being “buzzed in” or a ID card slipped into a slot?
Seems the schools are run by highly educated idiots and it gets worse in college.
Tell you a little story. My mother and father were divorced 1965. I lived with my mother and two brothers. When the movie Bonnie and Clyde came out, I was fascinated with it, though I don’t think I was obsessed. I liked the cars and the music. It worried my mother, apparently.
She made sure I saw other information about their crime spree. Now, I never fanaticized about going on a crime spree or being mascaraed by law enforcement and I realized exactly what she was doing. The point is, she took the time and effort to head off a threat as she saw it.
Sadly, most parents today have no idea what their children are into. Worse, many of them don’t even care.
Okay. Got it. Let’s say that “Private security w/ economic incentives for stopping attacks + minimizing loss of life” is on the list of things we’ll do, and you’re the guy who’ll administer the program, and you’ll get as big a budget as you think you need.
What’s the next step? How do we move to a society where people don’t want to shoot shit up in the first place?
Michael,
I’ve read all your entries and basically you are doing nothing but playing devil’s advocate with your “let’s say the left’s ideas don’t work so what is are the ideas of the right?”
The left has had 56 years to figure out why someone would want to shoot up a school and murder students, and teachers. And all we ever got was “Only the government should have guns” which worked out really, really well.
The real evil of the Left is their members following and living Christian understandings of the world, but then pushing the idolatrous and satanic view that mankind can solve sin and stop all violence by simply forcing some kind of Atheist ideology. So effective has the narrative of “everything wrong in the world is caused by religion” been that we’re left to stop these fools in their pursuit of simple genocide.
The Left doesn’t want to solve the problem. The want the problem to persist so they can use it as a reason to kill us all off.
Yes, dismissed the ONE solution the Left has: take away guns.
Dismissed indeed. If you want them, you’ll have to stop hiding behind a weak ideology and show us who you really are and what you really want.
Thankfully only beta-men who enjoy watching the government do their dirty work for them, as they will never rise to the call of actually fighting for what they know is right…
…because they know they are wrong.
“The President of the United States, frail, confused, bitterly partisan, desecrating the memory of recently murdered children with tired talking points of the Democratic Party, dividing the country in a moment of deep pain rather than uniting.”
– Tucker
There have been lots of ideas. One good one is to impose harsh penalties for crimes with guns. Then, stop letting violent criminals right back on the street. Prosecute crimes. Enforce the rules on the books; federal authorities with the responsibilities of enforcing the background checks could do THEIR jobs. When someone is presenting themselves as a threat, deal with them. Get them mental health or punish them accordingly.
Tell me this: if you believe in gun control and restriction of ownership, how do you propose to accomplish that with a wide open southern border? If the government can’t stop a 200 lb man from crossing the border illegally, how would they stop guns from being smuggled in by the hundreds?
The REAL problem is that all the left wants to accomplish is disarming the public and the way to accomplish that is by the law abiding giving up their guns. That, of course, is not the problem and NOT the solution.
“When someone is presenting themselves as a threat, deal with them. Get them mental health or punish them accordingly.”
This is a sticking point. Everyone on the Right says “mental health,” but then don’t want to let mental health professionals have any kind of control over whether they can have a gun. They also don’t want to pay for mental health care for those flagged individuals who can’t afford it on their own.
Do we? Every one? Well, you are simply full of shit. The problem is what you leftists want to deem “mental health”. It has been proposed, by the left, that anyone on Social Security that requires help with medication be denied gun ownership, as if needing help with blood pressure medication makes someone unstable.
Nancy Landa wanted to have her son Adam institutionalized because she was afraid of him and though he was a threat. She tried to have him committed but the ACLU had gotten a law passed that prevented it. Adam got wind of it, stole his mother’s gun and killed her with it. His next stop was the Sandy Hook school.
Explain how “common sense gun control” would have prevented that.
They also don’t want to pay for mental health care for those flagged individuals who can’t afford it on their own.
You live in a Christian-build nation, and have the luxury of believing you can end violence and human suffering if you merely use the government to spend money on it, and conveniently blame everything on the “other side.”
Man-as-God only leads to ruin.
No. We don’t “turn it around.” Keep you hands off my guns.
Each community makes their own decisions and lives with them. That’s how our democracy works.
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. This kid was trans.
I blame the deaths on the trans hysteria. It’s more logically than blaming an inanimate object, i.e., a gun.
The gun did not kill, the mentally deranged tranny killed the victims
I seriously think most of these mass shootings are planned by the FBI, using ppl they already know about{as most are} and/or were caught, then hired to push gun control.
I seriously think that only a nut would believe that.
Sure only a nut would believe the government allowed gun running to drug cartels. Just ask Holder, he was in contempt of congress, no punishment for him.
This apparently isn’t the guy. You might want to delete this.
How do we know it isn’t?
You might be right but FA has a delete feature that disappears after someone quotes or comments on your comment so it can’t be deleted by the author.
Anyway, I’d adjust it NOT delete it IF & WHEN it is PROVEN he was not taking selfies in skirts.
He wore eyeliner, that we know.
He was self-identifying as an incel emo goth according to co-workers at Wendys.
Despite all those supposedly great anti-bullying programs at the schools, he was bullied, when he went there, mercilessly.
Why he lashed out on children instead of his peers (and grandmother) is a mystery that will never be explained.
With all his issues and problems the fact that he was not put onto any mental health list to preclude his gun purchases falls on the teachers, administrators and medical community of the area.
But no, modern thinking is that he, with all his baggage was OK while white males, Christians, straight people, business owners, old people, conservative people and more are all to be looked upon as enemies.
The kid had a stutter, bad temper and mom was a drug addict, he chose to live with granny, the one he shot in the face. He did not have a drivers license and stole the Grandparents truck.
He may have been damaged by moms drug use during pregnancy. If thats the case no amount of mental health would have helped. There doesnt seem to be any father in the picture another known issue for young men.
There seems to be an issue where the school was on lockdown but a door was left open, the door he found after crashing the grandparents truck.
The Left is all in with this trans delusion.
I’ll maintain this guy is trans for now. Merely following the Leftist precedence on things, since many Leftists still think Trump had some ties to Russia.
05/25/22 – Posts falsely claim photos of transgender Reddit user show Texas shooter
Breaking: First Quarter GDP Declined 1.5% – Worse than First Reported
Is the cowardly cops tale any more reliable than yesterday’s story that the shooter was a transsexual?
Well, we have photo evidence of both. More facts need to be revealed.
It has been established that the “photo evidence” isn’t actually the Uvalde shooter. No additional “facts” will change that one.
You’ve posted something that says it isn’t. That’s not evidence, that’s an opinion. “Fact Check” isn’t reliable.
Tucker Carlson Asks Questions About the Unstable Minority and Mental Illness Against the Background of a Texas School Shooting
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still kicking it back.
still kicking it back.
Authorities Investigating Retired Federal Agent Having Contact with Buffalo Shooter Before Attack
In a disturbing twist to the Buffalo supermarket shooting that left ten people dead and three more wounded, a report is now surfacing that at least one retired federal agent was in contact with the shooter during his planning and was sent a message of intent 30 minutes before the attack began.
New York – Law enforcement officers are investigating whether a retired federal agent had about 30 minutes advance notice of a white supremacist’s plans to murder Black people at a Buffalo supermarket, two law enforcement officials told The Buffalo News.
Authorities believe the former agent – believed to be from Texas – was one of at least six individuals who regularly communicated with accused gunman Payton Gendron in an online chat room where racist hatred was discussed, the two officials said
We were told what to do and how the Founder’s created the system with checks, balances, and resets …
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.” – Thomas Jefferson