John Hinderaker:
President Obama’s speech today on the NSA’s data collection programs satisfied hardly anyone. Few of his proposals will actually take effect any time soon, if at all, and his supposed safeguard against misuse of telephone metadata–it will still be collected and stored, just not by the NSA–is likely to make the situation worse, not better. Substantively, the most significant change is that the NSA will be required to obtain a court order for each search that it wants to run on the data it collects. In principle, I think this is a good idea, but who has any idea how many queries are run against the NSA databases? My guess is that the number is large, which means that there could be substantial delays unless either adequate judicial manpower is made available to review such requests, or the requests are simply rubber-stamped.
The debate over “spying” takes place in the shadow of the IRS scandal and other efforts the Obama administration has made to use the organs of federal power to suppress political opposition. Put bluntly, scarcely anyone trusts the Obama administration not to use any information its agencies may gather for political advantage.
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Not just Obama….there is no leftist that can be trusted. Ever.
Pete
they can”t not even trust their own, now that they cover for him all this years,
they are running for their life on the last one that is OBAMA CARE,
@Pete:
Well there are opinions and then there’s facts which are indeed hard sometimes to differentiate. There are polls and fact checkers and such which can easily be dismissed if they don’t suit one’s agenda, a very often used tactic of those on the right (my opinion of course).
So I’m not sure how you justify your statement. Maybe we could, uh, put it to a vote. Put wait, we just did that, last November.
Ronald J. Ward,
a vote would be fair if you can bring the dead voter to debate with you,
AND THE TRICKY UNIONS 400 OF THEM WORKING FOR OBAMA,
AND THE FIX COMPUTERS WHO SWITCH TO OBAMA WHEN THE MITT ROMNEY VOTER CLICK ON,,
AND THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF A VOTER BOOT DECIDED TO VOTE FOR THEIR FAMILY OF 10,
AND SOME COUNTY TURN OUT 100/CENT OBAMA,
AND MORE UNDER THE CUFFS,
JUST ONE WAS ARRESTED AS WE FOUND OUT,
AND BETWEEN YOU AND ME, MITT ROMNEY WON THE ELECTION, AND HE WAS SCREWED BY THE CRITTERS PAID
with the taxpayer’s money,
FOR
RUNNING THE SHOW,
Politics in general is a game of who is the most convincing liar. An educated public is the only respite from it.
@Ronald J. Ward:
History justifies my statement.
Marx. Lenin. Stalin. Mao. Wilson. FDR. Clinton (both). Obama. Reid. Pelosi. Schumer. Durbin. Boxer. Feinstein. Grayson. Lehrner. Holder. Corzine. Weiner. Just off the top of my head, a parade of leftist lying thugs. You cannot trust a liar, ever.
What has Obama (or any of his acolytes) ever said that wasn’t found to be a complete lie? Truth is not subjective, and is not determined by majority rule despite what the outrageously biased media shriek.
@Mully#5 – Exactly…and that group seems to be getting smaller and well, dim in the education department. However I still have hope…and Faith…
@Pete#6 – Can’t argue with that and apparently Ronald J. Ward can’t either –
@Pete: You omitted Bush and Cheney from your list. It’s my understanding they can’t even appear on certain foreign soil as they’d promptly be charged with war crimes. That’s indeed interesting. And much like the lifestyle of Nixon and Agnew prior to their deaths, the best they can do even on their native soil is occasionally rear their heads briefly before returning to their shameful exile.
And even if you want to tap dance around that (and tap dancing would be of strategic brilliance compared to the usual malarkey of the resident sockpuppet trolling here), your list of present Democrats, other than a cheap sophomoric comparison of “Marx. Lenin. Stalin. Mao”, is no more than some derangement syndrome spewage verses a constructive or coherent argument. But then, an expectation of a constructive or coherent argument on FA is equally asinine I suppose.
But back to that November election, Romney and Ryan couldn’t sell their dishonesty to an electorate begging for anything. And that speaks volumes.
MITT ROMNEY WOULD HAVE BRING A LOT OF JOBS, AND TODAY ALL THIS TIME WASTED WOULD SEE AMERICA BUZZING WITH JOBS,
JOHN STOSSEL SHOW, AT FOX IS exposing the government shit they throw at people, sending their SO CALL lawyer
with a book of hundreads pages , no one can understand because it’s meant to confuse society so to get money from them, a skeem made by the evil ones,
TO LISTEN TO HIS SHOW IS TO BRING ANGER TO ANYONE BECAUSE OF THE BLATANT ABUSE ON CITIZENS,
AND THE PEOPLE ARE ANGRY, TO BE SUBJECTED TO SO MUCH INTIMIDATION,
THIS AMERICA’S GOVERNMENT IS WORSENING EVERY DAY, AND THEY TAKE THE PEOPLE ONE AT THE TIME WITH THEIR GIMMICK, IT CANNOT STAY LIKE IT,
EVEN JOHN STOSSEL IS HORRIFIED, in his own show to hear a guy answering questions,
like he is yes one of the gestapo,
YOU ALL THINK ,I’M KIDDING? check his show on what is going on in the houses of the ones who try to make a most modest living there is, being told they broke the law and it will cost them and they get a 50 pages to fill to get a license , again for trying to make a modest living,
there is so many, to many to name here, this is the worse abuse done to humble people, to
discourage them from making a leaving as small as it can be, it’s the second time i see it,
AND I”M SHAKING WITH HORRORS OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THESES UNITED STATES, TO THE SMALL PEOPLE,
PLEASE PEOPLE CHECK IT UP, and make the crimninal government STOP AND PAY for it,
this is a runnaway government trying to take from the poorest people with the will to work for a living, those lawyers supose to be are sent from obama and his goons to do wrong to people ,
please stop them, check with JOHN STOSSEL,
WHO? HAS THE POWER TO STOP IT ? please do what is necessary,
THEY CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES, NO MONEY, THEY ARE THE POOREST TRYING TO WORK HONESTLY,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
It is true that Mitt Romney campaigned with a promise of bringing jobs, and even on a few occasions promised “good paying jobs”. He promised 12 million new jobs his first term. But there lies your problem. He couldn’t explain how that was going to happen. The math, just didn’t add up. When pushed into a corner for a coherent response, all he could come up with was
In other words, less taxes and regulations for his corporate donors and ta da, jobs will fall out of the sky.
Even his very own economic team couldn’t get close to those numbers. Fact checkers debunked it to the point that the Romney campaign simply decided they weren’t going to pay attention to them. Prominent economist from both parties were either laughing at it, disputing it, or running for cover. Forbes called it, “yet another dishonest bait and switch”.
Romney’s tax plan was equally bogus yet he built his campaign foundation on a bed of dishonesty and simply had to follow through with it.
Mitt Romney’s success record proves that he’s not concerned about jobs and even more importantly, “good paying jobs” as he promised. He was a tax return hiding vulture capitalist with an understanding of lower wages equals higher profits. Why would he promote high paying jobs? He dismissed the arguments of Bain capital as if they never existed. He had a solid record of investments and the hell with jobs.
In short, your claim that we’d be seeing “A LOT OF JOBS, AND TODAY ALL THIS TIME WASTED WOULD SEE AMERICA BUZZING WITH JOBS” simply defies logic.
And getting back to the thread and Pete’s claim that “there is no leftist that can be trusted. Ever”, well, that just contradicts reality. After the fall and shame of Nixon and Agnew, the 8 years of daily scandals of the Bush and Cheney years, and mendacious campaign of Romney and dish washing Ryan, Dem’s don’t hold a candle to Republicans when it comes to being dishonest.
And your claim of dead voters defeating Romney is as asinine as your claim of job creation. Romney and Ryan got their asses handed to them because the electorate couldn’t buy into the snake oil they were selling. The election wasn’t even close.
Ronald J.Ward
you can say what you want, IT DOESN’T CLICK,
the many GOVERNORS WHERE SIDING WITH HIM, THAT’S WORTH SOMETHING MORE,
THAN YOU,
AND THE MANY WEALTHY PEOPLE WHERE READY TO BRING JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE,
BECAUSE THEY TRUSTED HIM, TO BE A GOOD PRESIDENT TO BE,
YOU HAVE SETTLE FOR NOTHING AS OPPOSE TO PLENTY FOR ALL,
YOU AND THOSE WHO VOTE FOR THEIR OWN SELFISH AGENDA, ARE ALL SELFISH LOOSERS,
MITT ROMNEY DID NOT NEED TO BARE HIMSELF AND GET ATTACK BY YOUR VICIOUS SIDE,
HE WAS A GOOD MAN WITH A PAST OF HAVING GIVEN MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER DO INSTEAD OF TAKEN , LIKE YOUR SIDING WITH, you only took what those on the side you follow,of lies and attacks,
Mitt Romney , had too much class to act like those bully,
he had principles and decency,
he refuse to get in the shit mudd with them, he has a big family and saw to back up from hell
which was all over, HE DID NOT RUN TO BECOME LIKE OBAMA,
he run to help HIS AMERICA HE LOVED, AND HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN MUCH OF HIMSELF TO HIS COUNTRY AND TO THE CITIZENS in peril now, THE WORSE PERIL FOR AMERICA EVER, in her history,
and repeated by the highest intelligence of this country,
so don’t try to sell hell to here,
@Ronald J. Ward:
Stop drinking your leftist kool-aid, RJ… Bush and Cheney did not lie. Simply because other foreign leftists have put up bogus “war crimes” charges against Bush and Cheney does not equate in any way – despite your fervid leftist fantasies – to the blatant, willful lying of the Clinton and Obama administrations.
What is ‘wealth redistribution” and socialist healthcare, if not marxist, RJW? Again, you can blather on in your leftist denial all you want, but the policies put forth by the leftists in America are no different than marxism. Hell, Obama (or actually his ghost writer) even bragged about how cool he was hanging out with the marxists in college. So take your faux outrage and peddle it to some incredulous nincompoops elsewhere.
What speaks volumes about you and your leftist (lack of) integrity is your laughable garbage spewing about Romney and Ryan’s alleged dishonesty, (of which you can provide no examples) while you fanatically obfuscate the neverending parade of despicable lies from the leftist thugs currently befouling the Oval Office. Let us go over just a few of those leftist lies, shall we?
1. The Ambassador and 3 other Americans were slaughtered in Libya before the 2012 elections not by a coordinated terrorist attack, but because of a spontaneous mob protest against a video.
2. There was no IRS harassment of conservative groups in the run-up to the 2012 elections. Lehrner’s lawyer telling Congress that if she was forced to testify she would take the 5th notwithstanding.
3. “If you like your health plan…if you like your doctor, you can keep them, PERIOD!”
4. “If you make less than $250,000/yr, your taxes will not be raised a single dime.” (Of course, using typical leftist weasel tactics, this is technically true….because taxes were raised a lot more than a dime…)
5. Insurance policies are not being cancelled because of Obamacare, but because of the bad, greedy insurance companies.
And we haven’t even touched on F&F; Solyndra, et al; IRS audits of Dr. Ben Carson, and of others who have criticized Obama. Need we go over the deliberate dishonesty of the current unemployment number reports?
Name a single thing that Bush, Cheney, Romney or Ryan lied about. Then name a single thing that Obama has said that has been true. Anything, RJ. Anything at all. Name anything that Hillary managed to accomplish, either as a carpet-bagging senator or as SecState. Anything at all.
And tell me…what other president has been disbarred for lying under oath? What president in our lifetimes was impeached (though regrettably not removed from office)? Nixon resigned – at the demand of the GOP senators – and accepted responsibility for his stupid dishonesty in trying to cover up the bungled Watergate burglary. Somehow leftist politicians think they should never have to resign when caught. (San Deigo mayor workplace sexual harassment, anyone? Anthony Weiner? Spitzer? Oh yeah, what was the party affiliation of Marion Barry – caught on tape snorting cocaine with a hooker?)
The essence of leftism is deceit. Those who follow the precepts of such a dishonorable and dehumanizing ideology rationalize their lies, both grand political lies as well as personal behavior CYA lies, as necessary to manipulate the masses to accept their enslavement to the leaders of the collective state. Hence, my statement that leftists cannot ever be trusted, verified by history.
@Ronald J. Ward:
“If you like your plan, you can keep it. PERIOD. If you like your doctor, you can keep him. PERIOD.”
How about addressing that lie, RJW?
@Pete:
And of course, Nixon just resigned, that’s all.
By what logic would I want to argue with you when you imply Romney, Ryan, Bush, Cheney, and Nixon to be shining examples of honesty? I guess they made George Washington look like a liar?
This place has become too utterly stupid on every front. You just can’t have an intelligent discussion with bigots of your ilk. And no, I’m not referring to only skin color.
Pete
TAKE THIS TRAITOR DOWN,
@Ronald J. Ward:
not to the left there aren’t. They assume their opinion is fact. Fact checkers? Are there honest ‘fact checkers’, I don’t know, any suggestions (and don’t come up with Factcheck.org or Snopes.com)
and what is it with that CUOMO, DID HE FELL ON HIS HEAD,OR DID HE CHEW TO MUCH WEED,THERE IS NO EXTREME CONSERVATIVES, JUST CALL THEM CONSERVATIVES, AND APOLOGIZE, AND NO ANTI GAI,
IN CONSERVATIVE,EITHER,
YOU ANDREW CUOMO ARE A DANGEROUS PERSON NOT TO BE TRUST,
he doesn”t want pro life PEOPLE, he want dead ZOMBIES OR MORE ABORT BABY, HE IS ANTI AMERICA, WITH GUYS LIKE HIM THERE IS NO FUTURE AMERICANS PEOPLE,
HE IS A DREADFULL PERSON, his mind is with death,
he could be dangerous for the NEW YORKERS.
he SHOULD just do his job and get of the PEOPLE”s business,
stay sober GOVERNOR,, HOLD YOUR HORSES you”re nothing without the people,
YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO NEW YORK THE GREAT NEW YORK, THEY REGRET VOTING FOR YOU ALREADY,
get help
@Ronald J. Ward:
Wow, what a statement: RJW just can’t have an intelligent discussion with bigots of his own ilk. Some people put their foot in their mouth and blame others for them stepping into ‘crap’.
Redteam
that would have fit for ANDREW CUOMO,
@Ronald J. Ward:
Nixon was impeached, he resigned. Clinton was impeached, he was disbarred for lying under oath. Obama had his law license revoked for lying on his application. Yep, them dimocrats are upstanding criminals.