But don’t worry. Being good and right and scientific and all, we can fix it:
A whole slew of new “research” on conservatives’ and global warming skeptics’ “brains” has hit the academic circuit.
First off, environment and sociology Prof. Kari Norgaard’s new study claims skeptics of man-made global warming fearsshould be “treated” for their skepticism. The study compares skepticism to man-made climate fears to the struggle against racism and slavery.
Prof. Norgaard’s concept of “treating” those who do not follow the current day’s political or social orthodoxy is, frighteningly, not new. A quick look at the 20th century totalitarian super states reveals many similar impulses.
It’s even more chilling that there is a whole new movement afoot by the promoters of man-made global warming theory tointimidate climate skeptics by using new brain “research.”
Other researchers have attempted to tie conservatism (which is identified with the highest number of climate skeptics) to “low brainpower.”
Some global warming promoters claim it is essentially “unethical” to be a skeptic.
Finally, still other climate activists have actually implied that we need to consider “human engineering” to combat global warming.
NYU Prof. S. Matthew Liao of Center for Bioethics says his human engineering solution “involves the biomedical modification of humans to make them better at mitigating climate change’”
Now, I realize it may be tempting simply to laugh all this off. After all, on the surface, these “studies” represent rank quackery of the most obvious and politically-motivated kind. But the scary fact is, these zealots are completely serious in their wild-eyed craziness, and they hold the manufactured consensus view within the institutions they’ve overtaken. Meaning, they can determine what “truth” is — and consequently, what comes to count as “scientific” heresy deserving either of excommunication or something more grievous, performed in the name of the greater good.
As we’ve seen from Stanley Fish, craziness disguised as consensus truths, when used in the service of your own de facto goodness — you are a liberal and therefore moral and right, so it follows that morality and righteousness attach to you, and you need not therefore apologize for what it is you do in furtherance of those laudable ends — is not, to the modern progressive, “craziness” at all: after all, one man’s eliminationist fantasy is another man’s Great Leap Forward / ethnic “cleansing”!
Ethics are innate within individuals at conception. Some are good, some evil. This is ths the toll we pay God for free choice. My personal experience over time has led to the conclusion… these things are not able to be modified by man.
Liberalism is the only hope for humanity.
Liberals are not communist fascist socialist… we are the ones who come in later and whipe up the crap they leave behind.
I left out racist.
Liberals are not communist, fascist, socialist… or racist.
We are essentially… humanists.
Your, “Liberalism” is what guided 1930’s Germany to “humanist” solution towards a Religous group that unfairly was blamed for Germany’s defeat in World War 1. Your, “Liberalism” solution to Government knowing best lead to the Holodorom and mass famines in the Ukranie. Your, “Liberalism” of wanting to tell the citizens what they can and can not do lead to riots and conflict in the United States. Your Liberalism was the backbone idealism that was used in Woodrow Willison’s push to alienate and re-segregate Black workers at Captial Hill after Coolridge de-segregated the system. Your Liberalism helped form Jim Crow Laws by the hands of Democrats because they didn’t want to lose their power. Your LIberalism is COmmunist. Your LIberalism is Eugenics. You just don’t know it, because you haven’t been stuck cleaning up the messes it’s caused.
You can keep your so called, “humane” liberalism.
@mmercier: Wow! have you met your twin “BOHICAman”? You and Liberal ? need to commune for enjoyable reading while in the position.
Mr Iron…
Damnedest best refutation I have received in a year.
My position is classical liberalism. I consider government apparatus in the same leaug with the bloods and crips.
True liberals are tolerant of all perspectives, distrustful of government and related corporate interests that seek to impose control over the individual. This editor is not functioning well on a mobile unit… after I read the damage… I will follow up with the thread and your person.
Thank you.
individual.
We
I believe you do not understand what liberal means. Do not know bohica… used that word in the Nam… fubar earlier… others in other places and times. This editor is killing me. Kindle fire… pissing me off.
In any case, no liberal would ever surrender his or her person or gun to a government
This ducks…hunterthompson was a good liberal.
Your, “classical” liberalism of today is the 1800’s and early 1900’s Progressism/Communism/Eugnics practices which had lead to mass death and destruction since the American Civil War of 1860’s, under the guise of Imperialism encouraged by Democrats to expand American Global presence by putting into place the very Dictatorships that plague the United States as of now.
Republicans were the first set of, “Liberals”in the United States political arena in the 1840’s and was mostly ignored by society and ridiculed by the Whigg and Democrat parties for their political agendas of the time to liberate and abolish slavery and Government empowerment over the Individual (which was a rather touchy issue with Senators for expanded Government control literally beating Limited Government supporters on the Senate floor.)
If you’re so tolerant of other opinions and existances, then why are you trying to butt into other people’s lifes and choices that do not legally impact or harm other people. Most modern conservatives do not want to enforce their personal choices onto other people, that is what tollerance is. Tollerance isn’t conformity by what Liberals demand people to do. Tollerance isn’t pressing a lawsuit to silence one Religon over another in public. Tollerance is encouraging all argument points to be expressed into the open, contrary to Liberals of today demanding Conservative ideals and concepts being surpressed from public consumption. Liberals have not been told to shut up by Conservatives, instead we encourage that you keep harping away on the liberal ideals of society. The more you do, the stronger your polar opposite becomes.
As I said, you can keep your, “Liberalism.” I’m not buying any today and my political investments belong somewhere else. However, you might be more lucky to find buyers in a Counter Strike or WOW crowd.
@mmercier: You left out one more thing. And essentially totally devoid of any common sense and morality while espousing that only THEY are enlightened enough to lead. Oh did I forget to mention clinically delusional?
When Liberals are unable to argue or debate, they attack the individual. In desperation, they now seek to discredit our intellect; however, this may prove to be an uphill battle, for while Liberals flaunt the dubious intellectualism of academia, where challenges are few and inconsequential at best, Conservatives continue to compete in the arenas of reality and business, where no quarter is asked or given.
We are witnessing the death rattle of an administration and a political philosophy based upon the effete Liberalism of academia, while the world stares at the incompetence and arrogance of our dubious intellectuals and a continuing list of mounting failures, in disbelief; yet, our administration refuses to alter course and sails blindly toward the breakers of economic annihilation in complete confidence that Liberalism will save the nation, before the ship of state becomes bankrupt and sinks into the abyss of economic failure.
The question is not whether Liberalism and its incestuous cousin Progressive Marxism will recover, but whether Obama is destroying the reputation of Liberalism so completely that they will never again be a viable political force in this century. So complete and utterly devastating are Obama’s failures, corruption, and incompetence that the full effect of his failure will probably take decades to fully appreciate.
Ironman…
Wowzers… you are hammering my ass into the ground here. This is as it should be. Please point out any post made here by my person advocating any government control over any aspect of the people… l
You have made me realize.. I think.. that I am a libertarian … as this editor craps out after a paragraph again.. Godspeed.
Liberals are not communist, marxixt or socialist. We dislike them all intensely. In fact, it is us who kill them in the end.
I do not have the ability to explain this concept on this little unit.
Feel free to kick the living crap out of my posts…
Ironman… up late here.
The civil war had nothing to do with slavery… that was incidental to the retention of the republic, used as excuse after the fact of horrendous casualty numbers. 600,000 best of my knowledge.
I am banging out dislikes like a champ here.
Back in my groove again…
Written in the Gettysburg Address, if my memory serves well, Abe said, “Our forefathers found this nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal, we are now engaged in a great civil war testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and dedicated can long endure.” He did not mention slavery, but only whether such a nation can endure, as if the war was to keep the union together and not necessarily to free slaves. Slaves existed in the nation he was fighting to preserve.
I seem to remember Lincoln saying he would not have fought this war over emancipation; I think he could see as many others could visualize the inevitable demise of slavery due to the industrial revolution and the end of labor intensive farming.
The Emancipation Proclamation was a shrewd political move; since, it freed only slaves in states that were in rebellion.
We tend to forget, the South initiated the war by firing on Fort Sumter. Would Lincoln start the war over slavery?
It took Richard Nixon… who sat with Mccarthy… introduce large scale Chinese goods into the country.
Would it be a strange thing if obama, who swappd spit with alinsky killed the movement …?
These things are necessary….
Anyone know how to get a comma on a kindle fire…? I got one earlier… what a frigging joke.
@mmercier:
Hate to tell you this as Modern day liberal groups are indeed funded by the Communist Party of America, the most recent variants of the National Socailist Party under the tags of Labor Party or Green Party pending nations, or by former willing collaborators/ benefactors of nations seeking to economically and logistically weaken the United States. I at least know the money that funds my education and work comes from my own hands and blood.
You can still keep your modern, “liberalism.”. Some of my previous jobs was to physically clean up the filth and damage such liberalism causes, literally.
MMERCIER,
YOU COME HERE AND TRY TO TELL US THAT YOU HAVE TURN YOUR HEAD IN FACING THE BACK, TO SEPARATE YOU FROM THE DEMOCRATS TO A POINT OF CLAIMING THAT CONSERVATIVE CAN BE EXPLAIN BY SCIENCE IMPORTANT SCIENTIST HIRED TO ELEVATE THE LIBERALS WHICH ARE LIVING UNDER THE SKIRT OF DEMOCRATS, AND ALWAYS VOTE BLINDLY AS WE SEE NOW THE COMPLETE INSANITY OF ELECTED SPEECH TO PEOPLE BRAINS STRUCK BY THE CHOCK WHICH IS SO UNBELEIVEBLE THAT THET JUST CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT HAPPEN TO AMERICA, WHERE
THE ONLY LAST CHANCE FOR THE PEOPLE IS TO SIMPLY VOTE CONSERVATIVE WHERE NOTHING HAS DEVIATED FROM REALITY OF WHO IS AMERICA. WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE AN AMERICAN,
WHY IS THE CONSTITUTION SO IMPORTANT FOR AMERICANS, BUT OBAMA SAID IT’S IN HIS WAY
HE IS CIRCUMVENTING THE MOST PRECIOUS LAW OF THE WHY AMERICA HAD SURVIVED,
AND WHEN AMERICA WILL RETURN TO IT’S GRAND WEALTH AND FREEDOM FOR ALL AND UNITY IN HER MIGHTY IDEAL OF ONE PEOPLE FOR AMERICA ONLY.
THIS WILL BE ANSWERED BY AMERICANS FOLLOWING THE RULES OF VOTING TO GET ALL THOSE OUT OF POWER,
THOSE TRYING TO CHANGE HER , WILL NEVER SUCCEED, AND WILL PERISH BEFORE BY THE HAND OF THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA THE ONE WHO LOVE HER SO MUCH THEY WILL RISE ABOVE TO HELP
STOP THE TRAIN TO FALL DOWN THE CLIFF AND SAVE THE ONES IN THE TRAIN. nobody can be so blind as to miss all the signs which are leading to destruction
SKOOKUM
HI,
YES AND CONSERVATIVES ARE THE ONE SUPERIOR TO THE PARTY IN POWER NOW,
WE HAVE AND SO MANY TELL THEY NEVER SEEN SO MUCH FAILURE IN GOVERNING
EVEN WITH ALL THE ONE THEY HIRED TO CREATE ENTILTELMENTS ON ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO CREATE INTELLIGENTLY TO SUCCEED, THE AGENCY ARE KEEPING AMERICA IDLE, WITH THEIR RULES NOT FIT FOR AMERICA WHICH NURTURE THE FREEDOM THEY WHERE BORN TO PROTECT AND BENEFIT,
THEY ELECTED A PRESIDENT WITH A MENTALITY FIT FOR AFRICA WHERE DICTATOR ARE KING AND HOLD THE PEOPLE POOR AND SCARE OF REPRISALS IF THEY START TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES,
MAY GOD PROTECT AMERICA AND HELP HER TO REGAIN HER FREEDOM TO THINK AND CREATE AS SHE USE TO BEFORE FOREIGNER CAME TO VISIT AND STAYED TO GAIN POWER TO CRUSH THE BRIGHT MIND OF AMERICANS THOSE WHO REMEMBER THEIR PREVIOUS GENERATIONS ADVICES TO NEVER GIVE INTO FALSE PROMISES AND LIED ON THE PUBLIC STAGE TO KEEP THEIR
POWER OF DESTRUCTION, WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE GREEDY AND ENVIOUS OVER THE BRIGHT MINDS FOUND IN AMERICA ALONE, BECAUSE OF THE FREEDOM YOU DON’T FIND ANYWHERE ELSE.
BYE
More important than posters’ definitions of liberalism is the idea that “environment and sociology Prof. Kari Norgaard’s new study claims skeptics of man-made global warming fears should be “treated” for their skepticism.”
Which side of THAT issue are we on?
Turned out that the original skeptics were right.
Turns out that Al Gore, Michael Mann and the IPCC were lying about their ”findings.”
Why should skeptics who simply demanded that the basis of the scientific method be respected need ”re-education?”
Seems as though it was those who claimed ”the time for debate is over,” were wrong.
Seems as though it was those willing to ”hide the decline,” who need re-education.
Where are you all on THAT?
Nan. G
ANOTHER WOW FROM YOU,THANK YOU FOR FINDING SO IMPORTANT FACTS ON AND ON,TO DISCREDIT THE LIARS, AND PROVE THE CONSERVATIVES ARE RIGHT ON ALL THE TIME.
THEY HAVE NO CHANCE TO TO WIN WITH YOU HERE.
BYE
There are some positions where it is possible to turn an opponent into an ally. It is likewise possible to turn an ally into an opponent.
We do this.
It is the nature of understanding and proper manipulation of the particular situation that predicts likely outcome… usually with blowback…
It happens.
I am indeed clinically delusional. Other neurological disorders too.
Wasting my time with tripe.
mmercier
you give the CONSERVATIVES A GOOD LAUGH,
GEEZ I thought you where one of us on other POSTS, THAT’S A GAME FOR YOU, BUT WE’RE PLAYING WITH YOU TOO, AND YOU DID NOT SEE IT,, THAT’S WHAT THE LIBERAL DO ALL THE TIME.
BRAIN STRUCK AND BLIND, YOU HIT THE ELECTRIC POLE, AND EXCUSE YOURSELF.
BYE
Ilovewar…
Use your cap key.
I came here because this is a free forum. Some of us are just like that. We made this for your being to enjoy.
If you take offense to the thoughts my person presents… ignore them.
Or silence me.
Good luck.
mmercier
every one is welcome, and if they play a trick and pretend to be someone else than they show,
they always get caught, sooner or later, but the one who see it first always play with him first, like the killer whale play with the pingouin before feeding,
so don’t be too disappointed because you have been caught,
bye
Who is “us” forked toung…?
Nothing can be what it appears to be on this planet. Been going on for a time. Do not attack my persons… we are legion.
Do not think too much, it is bad four your brain. Just react to environmental stimuli.
Godspeed
mmercier
who is attacking who?you are legion, and the devil has the same amount,
they all have fork tongues, you said it. now run along
and join your legions, they just need one angel to be crushed forever.
Your presentation here leads me to believe you are incapable of trapping the trapper. This could be miscalculation on my part… So it goes. There are more.
No one has a clue as to my purpose or reason for being here.
Not even me.
This is how it is done.
Ilovebeewar…
Your posts are amusing. We are apparently both alone on this day. Note the date. Without this unit… things could… transpire here for me.
Again… note the date.
Godspeed to you and yours.
mmercier
yes I might not be able to track the trapper, but THERE is some here who surely can,
now you say no one has a clue to why you are here even you don’t know,
that sounds even more strange, you captured my curiosity,
first question how did you get here? who sent you?
i don’t need more than that to help you find your way back, but rest assure, you are safer with us here as oppose to the liars on the other side which you are unable to trust.
and you say ; this is how it’s done, oh do you know that you have the power to undo
anything they do, or how they do it.
bye
mmercier
you mean the date of APRIL’S FOOL?
YOU KNOW IT CROSS MY MIND,
BUT IF YOU PLAY APRIL FOOL, YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE NAME OF A SEA CREATURE,
YOU DID NOT, BUT BUT BUT, I DID, REMEMBER THE KILLER WHALE PLAYING THE PIGOUN
BEFORE FEEDING.
GOTCHA
@Skookum: You are right. Lincoln actually made the South an offer prior to the Emancipation Proclamation telling them they could keep their slaves if they came back into the Union in order to avoid having the war escalate even more. He pretty much knew what the answer was going to be. After that, the decision was made to fight a total war and in order to accomplish that end, it necessitated freeing the slaves.
As for Ft. Sumter, Lincoln could have chosen not to resupply the fort which meant it wouldn’t have been fired on but it probably would have cost him his presidency because he would have been made to look weak. As a matter of fact, Gen Winfield Scott and SoS Seward both wanted to give up Sumter as a gesture of goodwill toward the South as did five of Lincoln’s seven secretaries. When Lincoln told Jefferson Davis he was going to resupply the fort and not to interfere, Davis, feeling pressure himself to do something, told Gen Beauregard, the Confederate general in charge of the troops around Charleston, to bomb the fort before the resupply ships arrived. When the commander at Sumter refused to surrender, the fort was bombed. An interesting note is that even though 4,000 shells and shot were lobbed at Sumter, no one was killed. The Ft. Sumter issue may have never happened had the previous POTUS, James Buchanan, acted but he didn’t want the war to start on his watch so he left the situation at Sumter for Lincoln to deal with. Some things in politics never change.
Sorry if I made it sound like a dissertation, but I love CW history.
another vet
I love real facts on history like you stated, and the details even minus make the story
extraordinary for the reader who you force him or her to think and judged with his own mind,
who did right or wrong right and wrong all together,
in there It led me to believe that LINCOLN SHOULD NOT HAVE CONFIDE TO OTHER
HE SHOULD NOT HAVE TRUST THEM SO MUCH, THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGE HISTORY,
DON’T YOU THINK,
THANK YOU FOR COMING WITH IT.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Lincoln knew what he was doing. I think both sides knew for some time that there was going to be a war, it was just a question as to who was going to fire the first shot and Lincoln pretty much put the South in the position where they would be the ones at Sumter. If Sumter didn’t happen, something else would have triggered the shooting war. Ironically, the initial call for volunteers was for 90 days. That is how long the North anticipated it would take to put down the “insurrection” because they thought it was the work of the large plantation owners and the regular Southern folk were against it. Obviously they miscalculated.
another vet
can I ask how long the war last and how many lives lost?
@ilovewar…
If I captured your curiosity… my game with you is thus complete. You started it, not me.
Methodically dissect every thing presented on the net. Trust no one. Question everyone and everything presented. Through such, understating becomes possible,.,,, my screen freaking out again… I’ll return.
The truth is out there… but not for free.
mmercier
hi,
I was just starting to trust you, and you refuse, are you a scientist?
you speak like academicly, the truth is there somewhere you say,
what does she the truth look like?
not for free? how much?
bye
Anothervet…
The first battles were actually treated as a reason for residents to turn out and piknik. The women and children were horrified when the men did what men… do.
Public hangings were much… cleaner. The children and females were not traumatized after.
600,000 dead. 1861 _ 1865
Shitload of great uncles in the ground from Vicksburg to Gettysburg. Three we can not identify today… they went from new York to some mud hole in Virginia… appomattix I think. I have copper prints, even my great grandmother could not remember their mother.
More than all other American war casualties combined.
Free.
@ilovebeeswarzone: The war lasted from 1861-1865. Over 600,000 were killed. The total would have been less had the medical treatment been better at the time. It probably cost the South one of their best generals, Stonewall Jackson, who was felled by friendly fire from his own troops who mistook him for the enemy trying to breach their lines at Chancellorsville. For what it’s worth, just as a personal opinion, I believe that had the South began offering freedom to their slaves in exchange for military service earlier than what they did, which was the beginning of 1865 and a practice advocated by Gen. Robert E. Lee and others, the war may have very well turned out differently. Contrary to what is taught in schools, records clearly indicate that the majority of those fighting in the North, fought to preserve the Union. The majority of those fighting in the South were doing so for independence. Slavery was not a motivating factor to the majority of the troops on either side.
@mmercier: That was the First Battle of Bull Run or Manassas depending on what side you were on.
@mmercier: Once you start delving into the war, it’s pretty amazing how many people had relatives who fought in the war, how many future big names in American history served during the war, or how local history was impacted. For example, Abner Doubleday the inventor of baseball, was a Union general at Fredericksburg amongst other battles.
@Skook#9 – Brilliant – Absolutely Brilliant!!
another vet
it’s incredible so much died since the beginning of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
FINE BRAVE AND FIGHTING FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVED IN THEIR FREEDOM,
THEY HAD COME FROM MANY MILES AWAY IN VERY HARD LONG TRIP WHERE SOME DID NOT HAVE THE STRENGH TO FINISH THE TRIP DIED BEFORE, TO LEAVE THE STRONG ONES TO WORK HARD TO BUILT FAMILY OF MANY CHILDREN FOR MANY AND SEE THEIR SONS NEEDED AT HOME FOR HELPING IN HARD WORK OF LAND PREPARATION, LEAVE TO GO FIGHT AN WAR INSIDE THE SAME LAND OF
THEIR FATHERS, HOW SO TERRIBLE OF HAVING THAT NUMBER OF DEATH, AMONG THE BEST OF AMERICA.
NO WANDER IT MUST HAVE LEFT A CRATER SO BIG, AND CHANGE THE FUTURE OF AMERICA ROOTS AND STRENGHT WHICH THIS ERA IS HAVING THE RESIDUES, ADDING UP TO THE OTHER DEATHS OF
SAME BRAVES ALONG THE CENTURY, THAT BRING ME TO THE MINDSET OF RON PAUL AGAIN,
TIRED OF SEEING THE DEAD BRAVEST,COMING BACK, HE HAS THE VISION and I see it every time
the subject on the bravest arise, he is sick and tired of it, his age is dictating his goal, he just could have
stayed comfortable home enjoying his life, instead a man of his age choose to fight to get the presidency to stop the death of the braves, the treasures of AMERICA ARE DECREASING, LEAVING A PEOPLE,
BEAT UP BY MINORS PROBLEMS, WEAKLING TRYING TO TAKE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN FROM SOMEONE WHO WORK HARD FOR IT, A DIVIDE COUNTRY SO SAD AND DEPRESS NO CREATIVITY, NO DREAM THEY HAVE THE GOVERNMENT GIVING THEM CRUMBS OF THEIR TABLE, AND THEY ARE HAPPY WITH IT, HUMBLE BUT ACCEPT THEIR POVERTY,AS A NORMALITY, WHILE THE GOVERNMENT GET RICH FILTHY RICH SHAMELESSLY RICH AND STILL ATTACK THE WEALTHY
OF THIS NATION HOLDING ON TO THEIR MONEY, IN FRONT OF A PRESIDENT SPENDING THE PEOPLE’S MONEY LIKE A MAD MEN, ALWAYS DEMANDING MORE MONEY, WHILE THE PEOPLE HURT,
WHILE THE SOLDIERS DIE IN A WAR UNWAR, UNWINEBLE, A WASTE OF MEN AND WOMAN THE BRAVEST WHO SHOULD BE BACK TO THEIR FAMILY AFTER MANY TOUR BEFORE THEY TURN MAD BY SO MANY TIMES IN A CRAZY ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN 2 GOVERNMENTS THE USA AND KARZEI FROM AFGHANISTAN FROM HELL. YES RON PAUL IS SEEING SOMETHING MANY OTHER CANNOT SEE IN HIS AMERICA.
Another Vet, thanks for the all too brief history lesson. I love reading CW history, but my favorite has been Nathan Bedford Forrest; I think he may be one of the greatest cavalry generals of history. He was surely mad, but when you couple that with a desire to win and the ability to inspire your men and strike fear in your enemy, the results can be astounding, as great generals have shown many times.
He was fairly wealthy, but exhausted his estate caring for the soldiers and families who served with him. A curious man of history, he is credited with starting the KKK, but in the beginning, I think the Klan existed primarily to fight the encroachment of the carpetbaggers.
@Skookum: There was a bad ass although a racist like most of the day on both sides. Supposedly he had something like 18 horses shot out from under him and killed close to 30 Union soldiers in sabre duels. I believe he abandoned the KKK when they began lynching blacks. Surprisingly,there were blacks fighting for him during the war. They were members of the First Regiment Texas Rangers and the First Georgia Rangers and played a role in the Union defeat at Murfreesboro, Tennessee on 13 July 1862. Another little historical fact that our PC “educators” seem to leave out when teaching CW history.
@ilovebeeswarzone: When the left was bemoaning our involvement in Iraq and pointing to how the Sunnis and Shiites were fighting each other shortly after we liberated them from Saddam, they seem to have forgotten the history of their own country. We had a civil war less than 90 years after declaring independence and there were plenty of other close calls prior to that. Look how divided we are now 236 years after declaring independence. It wouldn’t surprise me if we had another blow up.
CW, I was aware of the horses being shot out from under him, but one or two were turned inside out at point blank range with cannon fire. Apparently, they had to unwrap the horses from his unscathed body.
The Black Texans is a new one for me, and is interesting when you consider the Fort Pillow massacre.
He served a term in Congress and I bet there was a bit of fear and respect from the other members.
I know that he was a large slave trader before the war, but without any military training stepped up to become one of the South’s greatest generals. I doubt if he would have abandoned Lee at Gettysberg to fight a senseless cavalry engagement. A move by Stuart that contributed to a lengthy war and possibly foreshadowed a Southern defeat, rather than a Union defeat and a demoralized nation, thus contributing to a possible Confederate victory of the war. Which was Lee’s grand strategy, all failed for a lack of scouts and cavalry. Since victory was within reach with an earlier strike and report of over shooting their artillery barrage. The most massive artillery barrage in the history of war up until that point. A barrage that was heard in DC. Awesome firepower when you consider they were using black powder, a consequence that required the use of Forward Observers, since the smoke was so massive they couldn’t know their rounds were landing ineffectually beyond the Union lines. A simple fire for effect with adjustment could have been useful, but I wonder if Lee wasn’t suffering from dementia by ordering the artillery barrage without FOs and the ordering Pickett’s Charge. I’ve walked that slight uphill grade to the stone wall several times, and it is frightening to think of trying to take that stone wall and the senseless carnage that was the result. Lee was a scout in the war with Mexico, he knew not to send his men attacking uphill. Oh well, he may have suffered some debilitating problem or he may have miscalculated.
SKOOKUM
HI,
YOUR COMMENT CAME OUT TWICE,
JUST SO YOU KNOW,
IT HAPPEN TO ME A FEW DAYS AGO ALSO,
AND A VERY SUPER COMMENT IT IS SO INTERESTING,
BYE
@Skookum: If you want a good book as to the whys of what the generals did check out, “The American Civil War and the Origins of M0dern Warfare” by Edward Hagerman. It’s a sharp contrast to James McPherson’s “The Battle Cry of Freedom” where he pretty much crucified a lot of the generals, especially those on the Union side, McClellan in particular. Hagerman details how the generals were trained in their tactics and how those tactics evolved during the war into tactics (trench warfare being the big one) that were eventually used in WWI. As for the blacks who served under NBF, it’s well documented in the “Official Records of the War of Rebellion”. That’s a great document that you can get lost in reading it. It lays to rest a lot of the PC version of the CW because it’s comprised of the reports and correspondences of the generals and officers below them. In other words, the war according to those who fought it and not some lefty professor or teacher who only tells half the story.