But don’t worry. Being good and right and scientific and all, we can fix it:
A whole slew of new “research” on conservatives’ and global warming skeptics’ “brains” has hit the academic circuit.
First off, environment and sociology Prof. Kari Norgaard’s new study claims skeptics of man-made global warming fearsshould be “treated” for their skepticism. The study compares skepticism to man-made climate fears to the struggle against racism and slavery.
Prof. Norgaard’s concept of “treating” those who do not follow the current day’s political or social orthodoxy is, frighteningly, not new. A quick look at the 20th century totalitarian super states reveals many similar impulses.
It’s even more chilling that there is a whole new movement afoot by the promoters of man-made global warming theory tointimidate climate skeptics by using new brain “research.”
Other researchers have attempted to tie conservatism (which is identified with the highest number of climate skeptics) to “low brainpower.”
Some global warming promoters claim it is essentially “unethical” to be a skeptic.
Finally, still other climate activists have actually implied that we need to consider “human engineering” to combat global warming.
NYU Prof. S. Matthew Liao of Center for Bioethics says his human engineering solution “involves the biomedical modification of humans to make them better at mitigating climate change’”
Now, I realize it may be tempting simply to laugh all this off. After all, on the surface, these “studies” represent rank quackery of the most obvious and politically-motivated kind. But the scary fact is, these zealots are completely serious in their wild-eyed craziness, and they hold the manufactured consensus view within the institutions they’ve overtaken. Meaning, they can determine what “truth” is — and consequently, what comes to count as “scientific” heresy deserving either of excommunication or something more grievous, performed in the name of the greater good.
As we’ve seen from Stanley Fish, craziness disguised as consensus truths, when used in the service of your own de facto goodness — you are a liberal and therefore moral and right, so it follows that morality and righteousness attach to you, and you need not therefore apologize for what it is you do in furtherance of those laudable ends — is not, to the modern progressive, “craziness” at all: after all, one man’s eliminationist fantasy is another man’s Great Leap Forward / ethnic “cleansing”!
another vet
it cross my mind to when you began to tell the old war,and I was also reflecting on the divide of today AMERICA SPREAD IN A MULTI PIECES OF DIFFERENT MENTALITIES, AND POLITICIZE RELIGIONS FOREIGNS TO THE CORE BELIEF OF AMERICA, AND THE PROOF IS; SINCE WHEN THE FLAG, THE CONSTITUTION, THE MIGHTY GOD AND JESUS HIS SON, ARE THROWN OUT OF PUBLIC PLACES, GOVERNMENT SPACES, SENATE ,CONGRESS, WHITE HOUSE, PUBLIC SCHOOLS ,OUTDOOR SPACES, SHUN OUT AND DISCREDIT, DISRESPECT,
replace by spectacles of round building built and multiplying all over this COUNTRY, SINCE WHEN DID A FEARLESS PROPAGANDA SET IN UNIVERSITY PREACHING A RELIGION OF PEACE, AS IF THERE WAS NOT ONE ALREADY CHRISTIAN RELIGION OF PEACE THE TRUE PEACE WHICH HOLD THIS PEACE FOR CENTURIES, AS IF IT NEEDED TO BE REPLACE SUDDENLY BY STRANGERS DRESS STRANGE ENSLAVING THEIR WOMAN. SINCE WHEN THE BEAUTIFUL SONG TO HONOR AMERICA,LIKE GOD BLESS AMERICA, AND AMERICA FROM SEA TO SEA,AND AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL AND SO MANY OTHER WHICH WHERE COMING OUT LOUD TO AMERICAN SO PLEASE AND PROUD STANDING STILL
LOOKING AT THE PARADE OF THE BRAVEST. WHERE IS THE OLD AMERICA SO LOVED SO WELL PROTECTED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE BRAVEST GONE IN FOREIGN LAND OF THE HATERS, AMERICA, THE ONE WHICH WAS WHOLE AND FREE,
THEY HAVE FRAGMENTED HER, AND SHE IS SO SAD, AND IS CALLING FOR HER PEOPLE TO MEND THE PIECES TOGETHER BEFORE THE WIND SCATTER SOME OF TOO FAR TO BE FOUND,
CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS; BLAMING AMERICA BECAUSE SHE’S IN THE WAY OF THEIR AGENDA, HIS AGENDA,.
IF THIS IS NOT UN-AMERICAN, WHAT IS
Another Vet, thanks for the resources. I will read them. I must admit to reading books from my dad’s library for my Civil War knowledge and there were inconsistencies in that small collection, even in personal accounts of the same battle.
I commend you on your study. One of the reasons I quit studying the war was because I never met anyone with a workable knowledge or interest in the war. You sir, have far surpassed my meager studies.
I have lived in Western Canada and Western US all my life and that might be the reason. In the Eastern US, I met many amateur historians and it was fun. They usually had one battle they knew well, usually the one they lived in close proximity to or had a relative who fought in that particular battle.
I have visited several of the battle grounds and tried to visualize movements, time sequences, and reasons for decisions; unfortunately, I would only spend a day studying a process that needed months.
When I was a boy, my grandmother showed me her scrap book from when she was a girl. One of the most curious pieces was a series of articles about the gathering of the survivors of Gettysburg on the 50 th reunion. During the day’s festivities the reenacted Picket’s Charge, and were supposed to take the position they occupied during the actual battle. Fifty years affects the memory, but many of them claimed to have been in the charge and at the Hornet’s Nest, on both sides of the wall. Be that as it may, during the course of the walk through, the Confederates let loose the Confederate Yell (for the last time as a group) and the former Union soldiers let out a collective moan. Some cried, others left the scene thinking it was starting again, but most climbed over the small stone wall to hold the Confederate survivors. I’ve always though this incident should have been used as a milestone in recording the healing of this country. That is, if my memory from over fifty years ago serves me well.
Thanks again for the resources.
SKOOKUM
YOUR LAST SEVEN LINES, BROUGHT A FEW TEARS IN MY EYES, AS I visualize it,
in my fertile imagination, and yes this is a real event to demonstrate the UNIFIED BOTH END NORTH AND SOUTH TOGETHER AS ONE, YES NO DOUBT IT WAS THE CRUCIAL SIGN OF PEACE WILLING WARRIORS WHERE GIVING TO AMERICA, THEY BOTH GENUENLY EMBRACE EACH OTHER SURVIVORS NOT AS CONQUERORS BUT AS THE HALF COMING TO THE OTHER HALF LIKE A MAGNET SUDDENLY ACTIVATED FROM THEIR COLLECTIVE SOULS, THAT MOVE ON BOTH SIDES, I see it as so important in THE history of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NOW STANDING FOR EACH OTHER TO HAVE THE HIGHEST COURT DECIDE ON THE BIGGEST FRAUD , NOT COUNTING OTHER WITH LESS IMPACT, IMPOSE ON
AMERICA, WITH INTENT AS OBAMA SAID BEFORE WANTING TO CHANGE AMERICA FOREVER,
AND FIGHTING TO ACHIEVE HIS NEFARIOUS GOAL OVER OBSTACLE WHICH TELL HIM THE PEOPLE DON’T WANT IT AND KEEP TELLING HIM WITHOUT SUCCESS TO NOT IMPOSE IT IN AMERICA,
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING IT
@ilovebeeswarzone: Very well put. You touched on the crux of the problem. It’s no longer what you can do for your country but rather what it can do for you. Seems we had a President who once said we should put those in reverse order.
another vet
hi,
and what the COUNTRY can do with THE PEOPLE’S MONEY, AND SPEND IT TO THE ONE WHO BRING MONEY IN THE POCKETS OF THE PRESIDENT, ALL THIS RUN BY UNIONS THUGS COLLECTING IT FOR HIM TO GET FAVORS FROM THE PRESIDENT WHO SOME OF IT SPEND TO THE ONES ONLY WHO BRING MONEY IN HIS POCKETS, AGAIN ,ALL THIS RUN BY UNIONS THUGS INTIMIDATING PEOPLE TO TO GIVE MONEY FOR THE PRESIDENT CAMPAIGN, AND SO ON AND SO ON, STILL PROMISING TO GIVE STIMULUS TO HIS FRIENDS FOREIGNERS. ALL THIS WITH THE PEOPLE’S MONEY HARD EARNED
@Skookum: I never really had an interest in the war or the Antebellum period. It only happened recently. What really sparked the interest in the two, is what is going on in our country right now. Once you get by the PC version of history, which is the CW was all about slavery, you can see the same types of issues that reached the boiling point in 1861 happening all over again. It’s all there. States’ rights versus power of the Federal government. People trying to impose their will on others through the power of government. Policies that favor one group over another. Race agitators. Divisiveness. Lack of respect for the Constitution.
Another Vet and Ms Bees, I remember reading as a boy, of the meeting between Harriet Beecher Stowe (Uncle Tom’s Cabin) and Lincoln. Lincoln’s opening line was, “So you’re the little woman, who started the big war.” I was shocked to read that line; since, to cast blame for that debacle on one person is a tremendous charge. I would have been insulted, but maybe the story was enough to inflame the passions of the abolitionists, until there was almost no other option. I am sure many of those abolitionists were among the 600,000 deaths, but surely many of those who called for war had no idea of the carnage that was to be unleashed and never intended to wear a uniform.
In the South, only a small percentage of the people owned slaves and the ownership of slaves and that particular labor pool stagnated the regional economy for wages and the standard of living for middle class laborers and the working poor. Why would they risk life and limb to preserve an institution that robbed them of success?
Being lorded over by overbearing Northerners who treated the Southerners as if they were backward country cousins without relevance in the growing country, surely contributed the resolve of the Southern soldier and the willingness to risk it all to be free of the bores from the North.
In the end, 150 years later, we are left to contemplate who actually won the war. Let’s compare major cities of the North with similar cities of the South: DC, Philadelphia, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Saint Louis / Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, Charlottesville, Charleston. The comparison is striking and can be an argument to base a debate on who actually won the war.
I’ve had a special interest in the cavalries of the CW, but like you I wanted to understand the conditions that precipitated the tragedy. We have agitators who are doing their best to be divisive and foment unrest. They are radicals and no one will look at their radical ideas if the country is doing well and is prosperous. The radical wants people to be desperate and willing to try things they would never consider under normal conditions. Thus Obama offers radical ideas that will guarantee everyone an equality of success and income, just sign away your freedom and kneel to the Great Obama. He will be only too willing to place the Yoke of Socialism on your shoulders.
SKOOKUM
HI,
the point you raise is so important for today, for the people to stand up for the laws of the lands which has endure on many changes in the WHITE HOUSE, AND ARE STILL THE SAME UN YEILDING TO BE INTIMIDATED BY ANY ONE WHICH WOULD LIKE TO BE THE ONLY MASTER OF HIS DECISIONS,
AND DOESN’T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE A TRUE LEADER OF THIS MIGHTY AMERICA,
WHICH HAS HELP SO MANY COUNTRIES TO BECOME FREE OF DICTATOR IMPOSING THEIR SELFISHNESS ON THE PEOPLE, NOT ANY ORDINARY PERSON CAN LEAD THE GIANTS IN AMERICA IT REQUIRE SO MANY GIFTS FROM GOD IN THE PERSON SEEKING THE PRESIDENCY, AND WE HAVE IT IN OUR CANDIDATES WHO WENT PASS VERY DIFFICULT SCREENING FROM THEIR FIRST STEP ON THE PUBLIC STAGE, AND COMPARE THEM TO OBAMA WHICH NEVER HAD EVEN A DAY OF SCREENING AND BEEN PROJECTED ON THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE OF AMERICA BY INTERESTED AND GREEDY GROUPS ASSURED IN ADVANCE TO HAVE FAVORS
ASSURED OF TREMENDOUS WEALTH COMING TO THEM FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTION INTO MAKING HIM A PRESIDENT, EVEN NOT HAVING THE ABILITY AND EXPERIENCE AND WISDOM TO SERVE SUCH A PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED TOLERANCE BORN IN THEIR CORE BY THE LAWS OF THE LAND,
THE SAME LAWS WHICH OBAMA SAID ARE IN HIS WAY FROM ADVANCING HIS DESIRE TO TAKE THE HARD EAERN WEALTH FROM ONE AND REDISTRIBUTE IT TO FOREIGNERS, COMING FROM THE OPEN BORDERS BY MILLIONS SEKING HELP MONEY AND PLACE TO LIVE, TAKING IT FROM ROOTED CITIZENS, WHO GAVE UP FIGHTING FOR WHAT THEY OWN, THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BEING IMPOSED SUCH INJUSTICE, THEY EXPECTED A GOVERNMENT TO TAKE THEIR SIDES
AND FIND ONLY CORRUPTION AND LIES IN THEIR PROMISES, WHAT TO DO TO GET JUSTICE DONE, THEY WOULD BE EXPECTED TO GET LAWYERS THEY CANNOT AFFORD THOSE, SO WE SEE FOREIGNERS IN BIG HIGH BUILDING WITH DOME ON TOP BUIT BY FOREIGN MONEY, LODGING ONLY THOSE NEW COMERS. AND THE ROOTED AMERICANS ON THE GROUND HAVING BEEN ROB OF THEIR JOBS UNABLE TO COMPETE WITH THE FLOW, WHO GET THEIR EDUCATION IN THIS AMERICA AND IN RETURN INCITE THE GOOD LOCAL CITIZENS TO EMBRACE THEIR LAWS AND RELIGION SO THEY CAN USE OUR OWN YOUNG TO COMMIT TREASON IN THIS AMERICA, TO HELP THEM ADVANCE THEIR CAUSE OF CONQUEROR OF AMERICA, AND THE TALIBAN SAID IT WELL, THAT IS;
YOU HAVE THE GUN AND WE HAVE THE TIME IT GOES FOR THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES,
AND YOU CAN START TO SEE THEIR ADVANCE TODAY ON THE OBAMA PRESIDENCY, ACTIVATED TEN FOLD,
WHAT IS A REAL AMERICAN MUST DO FOR HIS COUNTRY, AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY,
REMEMBER THE ONE WHO SPILL THEIR BLOOD FOR THE COUNTRY, AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS VOTE TO RETAKE AMERICA IN NOVEMBER, ALL IN ONE VOICE ANGRY FOR WHAT WAS DONE TO THE PEOPLE, TO AMERICA.
@Skookum: A good observation on what went on prior to the war. Obviously it looks like we have the same take on the lessons learned aspect and how we are going down the same path today. The abolitionists have been replaced by race baiters the likes of which came out in full force last week. The difference is the former was doing it for a good cause and the latter is not. As for Northern cities versus Southern ones, we really don’t hear too much about “northern hospitality” do we? The suburban area of Chicago I live in used to be solid red. Now it is becoming more purple. Take a guess as to what has happened to the crime rates?
Another Vet Thank God for “race baiters” like Lincoln and the Abolitionists.
Rich, to understand this conversation fully, you must read the last twenty or so commentary posts of AV, Ms Bees, and me. It has been an enlightening and entertaining journey, with conclusions that are not standard fare and certainly not politically correct.
retire05
how are you doing in TEXAS,?
THE NEWS ARE TERRIFYING TO SEE,
I’m just checking on you, to see if your okay,
hopefully you are
best to you
@Richard Wheeler: Point out where I referred to Lincoln and the abolitionists as as race baiters. As a matter of fact, I said the cause of the abolitionists was good unlike the race baiters of today. Want names? Sharpton, Farrakhan, Jackson, and yes- Obama. All four tried to turn the Stanford issue into a race issue when there hasn’t been a shred of evidence so far to suggest it was. You kind of came off here as playing the race card on me and it won’t fly. My apologies of that wasn’t your intent. If your intent was compare in a favorable way, the above mentioned race baiters to Lincoln and the Abolitionists, then that is a serious distortion of history.
Another Vet My point was Lincoln and the Abolitionists were surely considered race baiters by Southern slavsholders.As mentioned I think Sharpton a buffoon.
This Sanford story only blew up when Martin death handled so ineptly. Lets now let it play out.
My question here has always been What’s worse, being a race baiter or a racist?
@Richard Wheeler: To me a race baiter and a racist are essetnially the same. Going back to Skook’s comments about the abolitionists, they wanted to end slavery, which was a noble and just cause. As he pointed out, an unintended consequence may have been fueling the war. There are historians out there who believe that the abolitionists were in fact the major cause in inciting the war. Lincoln was opposed to slavery because it violated the principles of our Constitution and wanted to see it ended. Another noble and just cause, however that was not the reason for his fighting the CW. It was to keep the Union together. As matter of fact if I’m not mistaken, Lincoln’s personal view on blacks was that they were an inferior race which was the prevailing attitude amongst whites of the day, both pro and anti slavery. The race baiters of today are not the modern day equal of the Abolitionists. If they are, who are the people they are trying to liberate from oppression? Obama’s comparisons of himself to Lincoln is another joke. Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union and wished that we could all be one American people. Obama has done nothing but divide people along race, ethnic, class, and political lines.
another vet
there must have been democrats inciting the hate slaves
they still incite today on hate the other color,
if we transport ourselves
in those time, the settlers needed employees, the blacks people where arriving also, and needed a job,
and deals where made and agreed, they called it slave worker not in the same context of today,
there had to be a discipline laid down and justifyed by the number of employees which for some where not all leaning to good, there was good leaders and bad one like today also, if the season was bad they all could eat the plenty, but if bad seasons they would lean up like today, if it was rough for the slaves, it was rough for the leader and family. there was crimes which had to be punish the way of the times
the blacks suffer and the whites also.
bye
A.V. Race Baiting is the making of verbal attacks against members of a racial group to gain influence over another racial group.
Racism is a belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.
They are clearly different and clearly wrong.
I have repeatedly asserted it is NOT race baiting to call out an actual racist.
Racism exists in our society.To pretend it doesn’t or try to keep it “safely” bottled up or covered in shadows is IMHO a huge mistake.
I don’t feel BHO IS trying to divide us.Rather, these gross inequities that DO EXIST have had light shone on them and it’s often not pretty. We are a great people and a great country and I believe will emerge stronger from this sometimes painful self evaluation.
@Richard Wheeler: In total agreement about racism being in our society and that it is not race baiting to call out an actual racist. I think we are both a little tired of the Sanford issue, but race baiting is exactly what happened when Zimmerman was accused of being racist by the three reverends, who in my opinion are detriment to the blacks in this country, and by NBC News when they edited the 911 tapes to make it sound like he was. I don’t think anyone who posts here believes racism is good. One of my issues is that there are many who believe, and Obama is one of them, that the only racists are white and conservative and/or Republican. Blacks and white liberals and/or Democrats are supposedly not. As I’ve pointed out here before, some of the biggest racists I know are card carrying democrats. Liberals who I know who decry racism have no black friends and live in affluent all white or near all white communities. Some of them used to live in neighborhoods that were becoming mixed and moved out. If they weren’t racist, why did they move away from the blacks?
@ilovebeeswarzone: There is definitely a lot of hate going on today that is based on race.
A.V. Here’s the problem. Given the definition of racist (racism) in #17 I’m not sure an unempowered minority can be racist. They can certainly be race baiters as demonstrated by the 3 Revs.
Totally agree white liberals exercising white flight can be,and most likely are racists.
In general the Sharptons hurt the African American cause, but what’s the Martin family to do when the SPD apparantly white washed this case in a matter of hours? Wouldn’t you want more for your teenager in a similar situation?
@Richard Wheeler: Here is another definition of racism.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism
Number 3 would apply to minorities. That definition may be more in line with the definition of racist. As for the whitewashing of the case, there still seems to still be conflicting facts out there. Walking in a neighborhood, looking suspicious, is not grounds to chase someone and then use deadly force. By the same token, someone following you is not grounds to physically attack the person. As for Sharpton, the Martin family could have easily denounced his “input”. If I had a teenager who was murdered, I wouldn’t want some outsider coming in and using it as an excuse to further their personal agenda. It would be an insult to my teenager who died. The 3 reverends most likely could give two shits about the Martin family. This was an opportunity for them to stir up trouble and exert more influence and control over the black community. They’ll probably be looking for handouts to cover their “costs”. That is why they are rich and the people they pretend to help are still poor for the most part.
A.V. agree def.#3 would allow for minorities to be racists. Agree 3 Revs. are primarily about themselves but the squeaky wheel created did get some much needed grease.Let’s let it play out from here.
Screamers from the right like Rush are also self serving and thrive on this sad story.
@Richard Wheeler: I don’t listen to talk radio so I can’t comment on what he said. When my radio is on, I’m listening to the oldie station.