Devin Nunes was previously the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. In that very specific role, Nunes was a member of the Gang of Eight who are briefed on all intelligence issues at the same level as the President, the chief executive. The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman, is the #2 ranking intelligence oversight member within the national security oversight apparatus, exceeded in rank amid the Gang of Eight group only by the House Speaker.
As the HPSCI chairman, Nunes has a very granular understanding of intelligence language and the way the intelligence apparatus uses words within national security documents. When Nunes talks about national security documents, he is a subject matter expert on the administration side of the process. Why is that important right now? Because Nunes knows how to contrast the wording in the Jack Smith indictment against wording used to describe national security documents.
Pay very close attention to this interview, prompted to 05:06, for the Nunes part. You have to get past the paid to obfuscate Mrs. Hannity interruptus, as she tries to shut down Nunes from bringing sunlight on the indictment. However, what Nunes introduces in his comments is the origin of what I am going to explain after the interview.
This is a game-changing context for the Jack Smith indictment. Again, pay close attention. WATCH:
What almost everyone in professional narrative engineering/punditry is missing, many of them because they are paid to pretend not to know, is that the national archivists gave sworn testimony to Congress about the Trump documents on May 17, 2023 {citation}. What I am going to outline below will explain the fraud that Jack Smith and his Lawfare crew are purposefully generating.
Some baselines are needed for you to understand what is happening.
First, the National Archives and the DOJ did not demand a return of Classified Documents. They requested a return of documents containing classification markings. These are two entirely different things.
Most documents containing classification markings are not classified documents; yet, most classified documents contain classification markings. Additionally, one of the documents used by Jack Smith in his indictment [COUNT #11] contained no markings at all.
Second, it is critically important to remember that throughout the legal issues in the aftermath of the Mar-a-Lago raid, the DOJ has viciously denied any responsibility to describe the classified documents they claim to have retrieved. In fact, the DOJ has fought against any entity, including the court appointed “special master”, from being able to look at the documents the DOJ *previously* claimed were either classified, or, vital to national security. {GO DEEP}
Because there is a very specific type of Lawfare taking place with words, it is critical to see the value in what Devin Nunes understands about the way the language is being deployed. Now we return to the testimony of the national archivist office, and here is where it gets really interesting.
♦ During testimony to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) officials were asked specifically about Trump documents and how they could *KNOW* fulsome return of documents had not taken place. The response from the NARA officials is enlightening:
[Source pdf, testimony transcript – page 43 and 44]
Notice that NARA had knowledge these documents were in the possession of Trump and were pertinent to their archive retrieval. It was interesting at the time that NARA would know the content of the President Obama letter, and further interesting they would know there was more than one piece of correspondence between President Trump and Chairman Kim [Jong-un]. CNN even wrote about it HERE.
[Irrelevant note: Mr Bonsanko got the name wrong, Jong-il is dead]
Reminder, keep in mind the DOJ ferocity in not wanting anyone to know what documents they retrieved and/or defined.
We know, from President Trump describing the letter left to him by the former president, that Obama told Trump in the letter that the number one foreign policy and intelligence threat perceived by Obama (at the time of his exit) was a nuclear armed North Korea. This is where you overlay the Jack Smith writing in the indictment of national defense secrets and nuclear security issues.
We know, from President Trump speaking publicly about his communication and diplomacy with Chairman Kim Jong-un, that the two leaders exchanged letters relating to aligned national security interests that centered around DPRK nuclear ambitions and status.
Trump and Kim formed a geopolitical truce, a friendship of sorts, based on respect and trust around the nuclear issue. Chairman Kim decreased hostilities; President Trump no longer used inflammatory language about “Little Rocket Man.” A diplomatic détente was created.
NARA was looking for the letter written by Obama that described DPRK nukes, and NARA was looking for letters between Trump and Kim that touched on DPRK nukes.
Now, does the wording in the Jack Smith indictment that pertains to “nuclear concerns” and “national security matters” make more sense?
Would all of this “nuclear national defense” hullaballoo really stem from President Trump not giving up personal letters written to him by President Obama and Chairman Kim? YES! Would President Trump even characterize those letters as government property? NO!
♦ The indictment accuses President Trump of withholding documents containing “classified markings,” a very specifically deployed obtuse wording intended to create the implication of something nefarious where nothing nefarious exists. It is entirely possible for a person, any person, especially a person who follows the news, to possess documents containing “classified markings.”
[SOURCE page 41]
There is a big difference between a classified document and a document containing classified markings. As an example, anyone who has looked at the Carter Page FISA application, made public in July 2018, has reviewed a document containing “classified markings.” When a document is declassified, they do not remove the markings.
This language is the underpinning of the entire DOJ/FBI framework that predicated the raid on Mar-a-Lago. Specifically, neither NARA nor the DOJ-NSD requested President Trump or his team to return Classified Documents. The DOJ demanded the return of any documents that contained “classified markings.” [SEE BELOW]
[Indictment Source, page 4]
Because the verbiage is so intentionally obtuse (ie. Lawfare), a fulsome production in compliance with this DOJ demand would include any newspaper or magazine articles that had a picture of the Carter Page FISA application, or any printed online article that might contain the same or similar elements. There is a big difference between asking for a classified document return, and asking for a return of documents that contain “classified markings.”
Can you see the way it unfolds? Of course, when you apply the Lawfare lingo, an approach entirely based on maintaining the targeting of Trump, then suddenly the seemingly innocuous becomes horribly nefarious.
In order to pull this off two things would be needed: (1) the DOJ would need to write about it in a certain way in the indictment√; and (2) simultaneously, the DOJ would need to stop anyone from viewing the actual documents, as they misleadingly described them√. Hey, wait… that’s exactly what they did.
♦ In a previous court ruling by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, the court ruled in favor of the U.S. Dept of Justice – National Security Division (DOJ-NSD), and blocked the lower court order instructing a Special Master to review the DOJ claimed, “classified documents.” [pdf Ruling Here]
Essentially the order of the appellate court was based on the DOJ defining Trump’s Mar-a-Lago documents as “classified” and “vital to national security”, and the court’s determination said they have no authority to question the decision of the executive branch when it comes to how they DEFINE matters of national security.
Bottom line is, there ARE no “classified documents”, as Trump, as he is authorized and allowed to do, declassified them all. Don’t like that authority? Well, in most cases, neither do I, but that IS the law. The LAW. So, suck it.
What makes this all so obviously political is what the DOJ will prosecute and what they won’t. Hillary took classified markings off of classified documents so those documents could be emailed out to her illegal, private, secret, unsecured home server (which was hacked by China, Russia and who knows who else). Hillary DESTROYED emails before any authorities could view them… OBLITERATED them to the point of irretrievability. She LIED before Congress about having classified documents on her server. Yet, the hack Comey claimed no prosecutor would take such a case. Well, no leftist, Democrat-shielding, corruption-protecting prosecutor, anyway. But one that respected our laws and security would JUMP at the chance.
Hunter lied on a federal firearms background check, something the left believes is the ultimate cure for gun violence if applied to, say, transactions between father and son, grandfather and grandson, etc., yet such a cleat, cut and dried violation has been prosecuted. The same goes for Hunter acting as a lobbyist for foreign agents or his income tax issues.
Idiot Biden was in possession of classified documents he STOLE. He, before being elevated to Chief Executive through fraud, never had the authority do declassify anything, yet he took the documents and, to make matters worse, stored them haphazardly in areas where Chinese nationals could access them or, possibly just as dangerous, Hunter had full access to. Needless to say, no prosecution.
And then there is the small matter of a $5 million bribe from Burisma.
But Trump is being charged 37 times for NOT breaking ANY laws. That’s totalitarianism.
Arrest them all.
It’s now fact that Biden took bribes in Ukraine, and was laundering money there.
The newest hoax charge on Trump is nothing.
The DOJ no longer has the credibility or even authority to charge Trump with a crime.
Seven years of Treason has removed that.
If presidents have ultimate power to classify or declassify by “just by thinking about it,” Biden could lock down or release anything he wanted to on a whim. Think about how absurd that would be.
greg, this new hoax is over. Trump won’t be legally arrested.
The best you fools can do is illegally detain him, or go all the way…
Biden has been caught. The fraud government is falling down and as is fake as Rose Montoya’s fake breasts…
It’s because of corrupt traitors like idiot Biden that the Presidential Records Act needs to be tuned up. It is absurd in its vulnerability for abuse. Of course, the weaponized DOJ will not investigate to see if Obama abused it, but Trump has acted totally within his powers and the law.
The vote wasn’t unanimous.
Were they presented the facts or what the FBI wanted them to see? How often have we seen this scenario? What they are charging isn’t even a crime; they MAKE it a crime.
Possibly. Democrats have corrupted the DOJ, FBI, IRS, DHS, CIA, EPA… everything they touch.
Certainly there is no defense or counter argument in a grand jury, none. Its just a one sided presentation.
In a grand jury trial, no defense case is presented. In some jurisdictions, prosecutors have an obligation to present certain kinds of exculpatory evidence (if it exists), but for the most part, it’s their show to run.
Absurd? The CIC is the highest authority as voted for, maybe you shouldnt vote until you grasp the concept.
Who is the CIC’s boss?
Should he request permission from the FDA, UN or the Rothchilds?
Its the trust of the American people that he represent the people, we just have not had that lately, now the people are the enemy, terrorists, facists and other descriptions we are damn tired of.
A president is not elected to be a 4-year dictator. A president is not above the law. What you would like Trump to be has no place in America.
Apparently you’re totally deaf to all of the Constitutional alarm bells that this guy has set off. That’s what “The United States of America v.” part of the 37-count indictment is all about.
Who is the CIC’s boss?
The Constitution and the laws of the land.
Whoever disputed that is living in the wrong country—assuming they live in America to begin with.
This asshat isn’t getting the document because the FBI knows damn well how it would be misrepresented. Hawley’s disingenuous verbal posturing above makes that perfectly clear.
It is not classified meathead. The American people should be able to read about how corrupt biden is.
That isn’t the point. The point is that the FBI knows the form would be used to deceive, and could also endanger informants. That’s why their policies don’t allow for their release.
That is complete bullshit meathead. The real reason is the FD-1023 will have biden dead to rights.
An FD-1023 records whatever an informant says, whether it’s thought to be true or not. It’s an investigative record that serves as evidence of nothing. Try to wrap your angry little brain around that simple fact.
Hawley knows that, but doesn’t give a damn. He relies on his intended audience’s ignorance. He’s knowingly engaging in deception.
That is more bullshit. biden is dead to rights
Do you think the FBI should be investigating the accusation of idiot Biden taking a $5 million bribe from Burisma? Do you think idiot Biden should be indicted for STEALING classified documents and mishandling them?
You mean like Schiff did with every bit of information he got and classified so it could be released but he would leak the tidbits he wanted to use to hit Trump? Like that? I doubt it. That’s what YOU shitbags do.
Note that Grassley and Jorden had the document but did not release it or its contents; they merely confirmed the document existed despite the FBI’s lying about it.
Do you think the FBI should be investigating the accusation of idiot Biden taking a $5 million bribe from Burisma? Do you think idiot Biden should be indicted for STEALING classified documents and mishandling them?
Obviously, he is aware that the only thing about him anyone admires are those tits, and THEY’RE fake.
Do you think the FBI should be investigating the accusation of idiot Biden taking a $5 million bribe from Burisma? Do you think idiot Biden should be indicted for STEALING classified documents and mishandling them?
I’m not aware of any evidence of a bribe. You’ve already convinced me that you don’t understand what credible evidence is. If there is some, I would support an investigation.
I didn’t ask if you were aware. I asked if you thought the FBI should be investigating the credible accusation.
How do we know that they haven’t? Initial investigations generally aren’t made public.
biden took a ten million dollar bribe. Those are the facts and they are not in dispute.
They aren’t? Was the accusations and investigations of Trump kept secret? We know they aren’t because there is no information that they are. They’ve also dropped the IRS investigation of Hunter. How long does it take to determine Hunter lied on his federal firearms background check? Are background checks important? What about idiot Biden’s theft of classified documents he kept in an office in China Town and unsecured at university offices, not to mention stacked in his garage?
But, again, what I asked was SHOULD they be investigating. You have such issues answering simple questions.
Biden is a dictator.
He’s unelected.
Biden isn’t the subject of a 37-count federal indictment, with more charges coming.
He is the subject of impeachment filings for ignoring the Constitution.
Malcontents in Congress have called for the impeachment of nearly every US president. Only 3 were actually impeached; only Trump was impeached twice.
I sure you would agree now that we know it was biden who was the subject of a quid pro quo in Ukraine that the first impeachment was without cause and now should be expunged.
UPDATE: President Trump has plead Not Guilty to the charges & the Federal judge has released him with zero restrictions
Are you and your fellow whiny crybabies prepared to face up to the terrible precedents your party have established? I hazard a guess that if and when they get directed at YOU, you and your fellow sore losers will squeal like piggies.
Do you think the FBI should be investigating the accusation of idiot Biden taking a $5 million bribe from Burisma? Do you think idiot Biden should be indicted for STEALING classified documents and mishandling them?
Actually, it’s even.
No, but biden is guilty of treason.
Trump’s 2024 campaign has become indistinguishable from his attempt to avoid criminal conviction. “Elect me and I will pardon myself.”
biden is dirty. biden is guilty of treason. Show a special counsel investigate the bribe he took from Ukraine?
You have not watched a single rally or Trump speech you parrot MSM idiots.
It’s such obvious fascism, it’s really nothing to brag about, unless you happen to be a fascist.
Do you think the FBI should be investigating the accusation of idiot Biden taking a $5 million bribe from Burisma? Do you think idiot Biden should be indicted for STEALING classified documents and mishandling them?
What does the classification of documents have to do with being a dictator?
Again try to understand the entire executive branch has only 1 elected official, that person accepts or rejects legislation made by hundreds of elected officials. Those officials can over ride his rejection. The Supreme court can find all of it shit and reject it.
This shit is what Biden does
biden took a ten million dollar bribe. Those are the facts and they are not in dispute.
No shit. Do you think the FBI should be investigating the accusation of idiot Biden taking a $5 million bribe from Burisma? Do you think idiot Biden should be indicted for STEALING classified documents and mishandling them?
I’m tired of the Trump cult’s efforts to change the subject. It’s Trump who’s going on trial, not Joe Biden. That’s reality, whether you can accept or not.
Trump would destroy every American institution to stay in the spotlight and evade conviction. He’s not fit to hold public office, and his treatment of secret documents critical to national security isn’t the half of it.
biden took a ten million dollar bribe. Those are the facts and they are not in dispute.
Your intelligence and sanity are.
But that IS the subject. That IS the problem. Idiot Biden extorted Ukraine to protect Burisma. Unless you want to disagree with idiot Biden’s own assessment, that is an established fact, Now, there is the accusation that idiot Biden took a $5 million bribe from Burisma. See how that sort of fits together? It fits together really nicely. But Trump was impeached for ASKING about it.
Idiot Biden STOLE thousands of documents, many classified. He had no authority to even take them out of a SCIF, much less declassify and lawfully possess any of them. Worse, he stored them in an office that Chinese nationals had access to. Then they were moved around by people who had no authority to be moving them. Worse, his criminal, drug-crazed son had access to them because we have emails detailing the information gleaned from documents. But Trump is indicted for possessing documents he had the power to declassify and authority to possess.
THAT IS THE SUBJECT. A corrupt, weaponized DOJ and FBI are protecting corruption and treason and trying to control US Presidential elections. Anyone OK with that is as fascist and anti-American as any goddamn Nazi, Communist or radical Islamist. Anyone OK with that, as you obviously, apparently and demonstrably are, HATES this country.
So, in your tiny mind, it was just a coincidence that Shokin was investigating Burisma AND Hunter had an $83,000 a MONTH job (for which he had no skills) at Burisma, which he didn’t even have to show up for and then idiot Biden extorted the government of Ukraine to fire Shokin? Cmon, man!
Do you think the FBI should be investigating the accusation of idiot Biden taking a $5 million bribe from Burisma? Do you think idiot Biden should be indicted for STEALING classified documents and mishandling them?
Why do you think the FBI redacted from the 1023 that there were audio tapes of the Burisma official arranging the bribe with idiot Biden? There is no denying what is going on here, scooter. The weaponized government protects Democrat corruption.
That’s right, dumbass. That is exactly correct. Now, why isn’t idiot Biden being held accountable for STEALING classified documents? He had NO authority to declassify or possess them outside of a SCIF.
What you fail to acknowledge is that knowledge of or respect for the law or the Constitution has no bearing on any of this. Only the needs of the DNC is driving this assault on our electoral system. Note the contrast between what does NOT get prosecuted and what does. If you weren’t a dumbass soon to be purged (again) from this site, you would recognize this.
The players are irrelevant.
This “indictment” goes nowhere.
Hi “michael.”
It’s the asking questions that give you away, son.
When was Edwards prosecuted? Was Trump on the political scene then? But, since you mentioned Edwards, Smith showed his true integrity by his persecution of Robert McDonnell. He also has a disreputable prosecutor that spied on defense attorneys in a drug trafficking case. Scumbags.
FOX News, 06/13/23 – It makes little difference whether Trump declassified documents at heart of federal indictment: legal scholars –
Premeditation and willful concealment will be at the heart of the matter.
Andy McCarthy is a never Trumper.
Dismissed
There’s a lot you have “dismissed” that hasn’t actually gone away.
Did hillary engage in obstruction of justice?
You are going to have to ask 50 times before you get any kind of answer. He has already told me he believes Hillary’s 33.000 emails she destroyed were all about weddings, funerals and yoga. Keep that in mind as you assess his credibility.
Let’s not forget that Obama had over 30 MILLION documents stored in an unsecured warehouse in Hoffman Estates, Illinois and the Obama Foundation admitted those documents were both classified and unclassified..
When will Obama be charged?
Nah. That would be “racist”.
Hey, stupid: if they aren’t classified, there is nothing to disclose. Now, let’s move on to idiot Biden’s $5 million bribe to help Burisma’s energy business while destroying ours.
The message the Democrats are sending here to their political opponents is this: if the weaponized DOJ or any other weaponized department of the government comes after you, just commit suicide. Because, even when you PROVE you are totally innocent, they have the power, time and taxpayer money to relentlessly KEEP coming after you until they finally can assemble the perfect combination of corrupt judges, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt jurists and bogus “evidence” to destroy you.