Ace:
But she’s the smart one, right? The one who does her homework and does careful research, right?
She’s the intellectual lodestar of MSNBC, right?
Maddow got yet another story from a leftwing blog or leftwing agitation group. This new “blockbuster” alleges that the famously-libertarian Koch Brothers spearheaded a drive to get people on welfare tested for drugs.
For one thing, this is not an outrage, even if true.
But for another thing, it’s not true. Not ever close.
[I]s Maddow any better than the rest [of the MSNBC clownshow]? A recent incident suggests that if anything, she is worse.
Maddow’s team asked Koch press people for comment on this claim, giving them a mere 45 minutes (!!!) to respond, before she went on the air to falsely claim it.
Ms. Maddow moved on to a discussion of a 2011 Florida welfare law and a Florida federal court ruling concerning that law, falsely stating that the “Koch brothers . . . have been promoting forced drug tests for people on welfare.” Ms. Maddow based this false statement on her claim that the Florida Foundation for Government Accountability (“FFGA”) was involved in the legislation. This was a knowingly false and malicious statement by Ms. Maddow – Koch is not involved in promoting any such issue and we are not working with the FFGA on any such issue, as we explained to you last night. Indeed, your email from last night shows that you knew Koch had no link to the FFGA or this issue since you stated that Koch “donated to the State Policy Network of which FGGA is a member.” Nevertheless, Ms. Maddow repeatedly and falsely referred to FFGA as a “Koch brothers affiliated group,” a “Koch brothers connected Florida group,” a “Koch brothers related group,” and “this group (FFGA) affiliated with them (Koch) in Florida.”Given that Koch has zero relationship with FFGA, Maddow based her claims on the fact that Koch has donated risibly small amounts–$40,000 over eight years–to the State Policy Network, and FFGA, which advocated for the Florida law, is a member of the State Policy Network. She used this graphic to explain the connection to her audience
So Rachel Maddow’s entire segment was one big lie. Her central premise, that the Florida welfare statute was an initiative of the Koch brothers, was false, and she knew it. She made the whole thing up to fool the low-IQ viewers who form MSNBC’s base. But the story gets even worse.In an email dated January 3–follow the link above–Koch asked MSNBC to retract, and apologize for, Maddow’s fabrications. Instead of correcting her misrepresentations, Maddow, in her show on Friday, triumphantly refused, saying “I don’t play requests.” Or, in other words, “I lie with impunity, and MSNBC gives me cover.” The left-wing echo chamber swooned….
There’s an additional reason to doubt her nonsensical Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon “reportage.” Many large corporations donate to the State Policy Network — companies like Verizon.
Among the companies that donate to the State Policy Network, and therefore are champions of drug testing for people on welfare?MSNBC’s parent company Comcast.
So Rachel Maddow’s report could just have easily have been “MSNBC Leads Charge for Drug Tests for People on Welfare.” For obvious reasons, the “smart, fair one who does her homework” did not choose to report her “story” this way.
When you lose the Washington Post….
The Foundation for Government Accountability hasn’t divulged where its money comes from. Their About Us page states this:
It’s one of those organizations that can spend enormously to affect public policy, but doesn’t have to reveal which persons or special interests are providing the funds to do it, while getting special tax breaks for it.
The simple solution would be to abolish the 501C3 tax exemption altogether, and require that any donations that are of a political nature or that affect public policy debate be a matter of public record. Then we would always know where the money is coming from, and people like the Koch Brothers wouldn’t have to worry about people like Rachel Maddow asking annoying questions or drawing annoying conclusions.
@Greg: We all know that Maddcow doesn’t lie. She is so friggin ignorant, she thinks she is telling the truth. But she can’t be helped, you can’t fix stupid.
Winguts wouldn’t know the ‘truth’ if it bit them in the arse. They’d rather cling to their narrow narratives Fox News feeds them without any form of critical examination or thought.
@This one:
The report on Rachel MadCow’s lies did not come from Fox, but don’t let that stop you for blaming Fox for something they did not do. It’s what you lying liberal progressives do best.
@Redteam, #3:
Rachel Maddow is generally aiming around 20 IQ points over some people’s heads. I doubt if she worries too much about it when all she hits is their hats.
Does anyone believe that the Foundation for Government Accountability is really non-partisan? I’m not sure if such an assertion is more a test of a person’s IQ or of their gullibility.
@Greg:
Greg, you didn’t have to bring Dimocrats into this, we all know she is their darling. And yes, she likely does talk ‘down’ to most of them. I’ve only watched short clips of her when she makes idiotic statements, etc so have no problem with her maintaining her “stupid” rating.
@Greg:
What does the partisanship of the Foundation for Government Accountability have to do with the Koch Brothers when the Koch Brothers are not contributors to that group, consequently having Rachel MadCow either a) knowing lying about it or b) she’s too stupid/lazy to do her homework?
@retire05:
Actually all of the above.
@retire05, #8:
But you don’t actually know whether or not Koch brother money is flowing into the Foundation for Government Accountability’s donation basket, do you? Because they don’t publish the names of any donors unless the donors request that they do so.
And, as Erik Wemple points out in his thoughtful Washington Post article on the topic:
That probably flew over your head also.
@Greg:
Affiliated by the seven degrees of separation that lives in liberal progressive heads.
@Greg:
and Madcow doesn’t know either, therefore she is using her no brain to lead her to lie about it. You agree with her tactics? Somebody had to put her up to it, she doesn’t have enough brain power to come up with that on her own.
@Redteam, #12:
Right. Insufficient brain power. That would certainly explain her undergraduate degree from Stanford University, and her doctorate degree in philosophy from Lincoln College at Oxford University.
If she wasn’t making sense, what she says wouldn’t be annoying people like the Koch brothers and their media toadies so much.
@Greg:
If I got that right, it doesn’t bother you when someone lies about you, only when they tell the truth.
How do you know she has a degree from anywhere? Maybe her and her professors had an arrangement.
I just watched the Thursday edition of the Rachel Maddow show. The hastily mounted campaign to discredit her might not have so much to do with concern about Koch brothers funding issue after all. Instead, it may be an effort to get ahead of the theory she just floated concerning what’s really behind the New Jersey bridge lane closing. It’s an interesting theory. If she’s right, it won’t be possible to prevent the entire story from coming out.
I hope her theory proves to be wrong. I like Christie.
@Greg:
That’s MadCow. Were you able to get 10 minutes in without puking? I don’t watch her show because she is too nauseating, just to view. Let me get this straight, her theory about the Koch brothers, she now admits she was wrong about, was put out there to distract from Christie’s aide having a highway blocked from midnight til 5 A.M. And apparently there’s some thrilling ‘real story’ behind the road closing. (I’m gonna throw out here that we’re going to find out that it was really blocked for a secret re-filming of ‘Driving Miss Daisy” for Clint Eastwood Productions) Oh, Lordy, the lengths these Republicans will go to to hide their efforts to help other Republicans. Surely that’s a crime, or something. AnyHOW, beware of MadCOW…………
@Greg:
You should, he’s a Socialist Lite.
@retire05:
Clearly it’s Kevin Bacon who is truly responsible.
@Greg:
Our president is also well educated. After 5 years in office it appears he hasn’t learned a thing.
@Mully:
Yes, I think he needs a refresher in Teleprompter reading.
@Redteam, #16:
That’s not exactly straight.
Maddow hasn’t retracted her theory that Koch money could be behind the Foundation for Government Accountability. That story was presented as speculation, not as verified fact. Maddow explained what has led her to wonder if it might be the case. Viewers are left to draw their own conclusions. The story wasn’t put out as a distraction. It’s a topic of interest in its own right. That’s pretty much what her program is all about. It isn’t news. It’s political fact, speculation, and discussion.
Traffic on the busiest bridge in the United States wasn’t deliberately disrupted “from midnight til 5 A.M.” Three of 4 ramps affecting traffic to Fort Lee were closed down for no apparent reason over a period of 4 days. The resultant traffic snarls were more than a serious inconvenience for targeted commuters and commercial traffic. There will have been significant economic consequences that resulted from thousands of hours of time lost. People weren’t out on leisurely Sunday drives. They were going places to do things.
Maddow’s theory about the “real story” seems to make more sense of events. Adam O’Neal has summarized it in an op ed piece on Real Clear Politics better than I could. You can read it yourself if you’re curious: Maddow: Was Senate Leader Target of N.J. Scandal?
@Greg:
Speculation is the Dimocrats basis for good reporting?
So you’re agreeing that it is a bunch of crap not worth listening to. Read the story in the link. Sounds like politics in general.
Lanes on public roads should only be closed for good reasons. I don’t know the facts, but it sounds as if it might have been politics.
Greggie,
I’ll see your Koch Brothers, raise you every single public-sector Union and trump you with George Soros.
@Redteam, #22:
The Rachel Maddow Show isn’t a news program. No one pretends that it is. Perhaps some on the right no longer grasp the difference between reporting and topical discussion.
Back when there used to be a liberal radio station called ”Air America,” I gave Rachel Maddow a couple of chances while I commuted.
Far from talking over people’s heads, she talked down to them …. big time.
She also repeated the same thing over and over and over, like a rant.
But, later, when I got out of a car (no chance to fact check from a car) and looked to confirm her repeated story via news sites on the computer, I found out she was 180 degrees off!
Weird that she kept repeating it if she knew it was false.
Weirder still that I could find no source to confirm her story.
But she still seemed like the tamest and most sane of all the MSNBC stable when it had Matthews and Larry O’Donnell.
Now MSNBC is actually culling out their crazies.
So, maybe she is looking loony simply by process of elimination of the even loonier.
She is wrong about Koch.
Unless guilt-by-association is valid.
But, guilt by association is a fallacy, a variant of the ad hominum attack (name-calling.)
Here’s an example of her faulty reasoning made so simple even a Koch brother hater can understand it:
“You think that 1+1=2.
But, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Joseph Stalin, and Ted Bundy all believed that 1+1=2.
So, you shouldn’t believe it.”
@Nanny G, #25:
Just to clarify, that’s not a quote from Rachel Maddow. It’s an illustration of the guilt by association fallacy from the Nizkor Project website.
Nor has Maddow stated that the Koch money is secretly behind the Foundation for Government Accountability, which conceals the identities of its donors. She raised the possibility, and presented a number of convincing reasons why she believes it to be possible.
@Greg:
You’re correct, the few viewers that do watch pretty well agree it is a POS.
As of November 2013, she had a viewing audience of 1.267 million. I doubt if they actually agree with that assessment—although I will admit I occasionally watched Glenn Beck expounding on his lunatic conspiracy theories for the entertainment value.
@Greg:
So you’re saying she doesn’t believe it is true, but
Why is she trying to prove something she doesn’t believe? Strange. The mind of a liberal.
@Greg:
Little cherry picking there? Her viewership for Jan 2014 is averaging 600,000 about half your numbers.
@Redteam:
Greg is a lefty. They believe in new “Progressive” math where any answer a progressive states must be accepted, regardless of whether it is mathematically correct.
@Ditto: I know, but we have to try. They can’t help it.
So, she only ”raised the possibility?” Is that what you say, Greg?
What was Obama’s promise to do on his 1st day in office?
Close Gitmo.
And WHY?
WHO wanted it closed?
Who has been driving the anti-Gitmo disinformation campaign these past 12 years?
An international, fervently anti-American, far-left coalition attacking the nation through a savvy propaganda effort.
Obama is as farther in bed with all of the above IF the Koch brothers are in any way close to what Maddow said about them.
@Redteam:
Just like ignorance of the law is no excuse for not obeying it ignorance of the facts is no excuse for not telling the truth if it was a true journalist then knowing and conveying the facts is its responsibility and obligation, and sinful of its superiors to still keep it on as an employee because that makes them responsible of the act of spreading lies.
CNBC is about as reliable in regards to conveying the facts as CNN is maybe slightly so.