Newsbusters:
For the first time on the evening news casts, the broadcast networks picked up Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the federal government – but only after Bundy’s racist comments went viral and his conservative supporters denounced them.
Amidst what NBC called a “firestorm,” the networks made sure to tie Bundy to the conservatives and Republicans who sympathized with his cause, but were then forced to condemn his racist comments. In fact, the ABC World News aired Fox News host Sean Hannity’s support of the rancher but said nothing of Hannity’s condemnation of his racist words.
“Before this, Bundy had become a cause celebre for Fox News’s Sean Hannity,” reported ABC’s David Kerley. He failed to report Hannity calling Bundy’s remarks “beyond repugnant” on his Thursday radio show.
In the wake of Bundy’s “firestorm,” the networks pointed out his conservative supporters who had to backtrack. “The dispute made Bundy a hero to some conservatives,” noted CBS’s Nancy Cordes.
“But now, not two weeks later, he [Bundy] has lost much of his freedom fighter status in conservative circles with these comments about race,” reported NBC’s Mike Taibbi.
Where in Mr. Bundy’s words was this racism to which you refer? This is a knee jerk response to the Progressive Media using their Alinsky tactics on Mr. Bundy, to change the subject from massive and corrupt government overreach to he’s a racist for questioning the human cost of welfare on black America. Hannity is a disappointing sellout, and so is this post.
@twolaneflash: I, too, failed to see the “racism” in what Bundy said. He is no politician and was not talking “candidate-speak” and used the forbidden “negro” word, but what, exactly, did he say that was racist?
It is a fact that, after $17 trillion in support, blacks and every other minority and people in poverty in general, are in worse shape than ever before. It is a fact that there are more children born to single black mothers than ever before. It is a fact that there are more black abortions than births. This seems to be the RESULT of government “help”, help which he is saying he wants no part of. What was the racist part… “negro”?
Republicans coming out and condemning this “racist” rhetoric are just as wrong as Reid. While I understand how effectively the left uses such things as weapons, condemning what Bundy says confirms the racist accusation.
If I am wrong, let me know how because I am already making this argument in the Dallas Morning News comments.
Starr Parker wrote a book, Uncle Sam’s Plantation, where she equated the black condition on
subsidieswelfare, as nothing more than slavery.Am I to now view Starr Parker as a racist?
@Bill Burris:
I’ll take you up on your offer, Mr. Burris.
You seem to be parsing Bundy’s comments for the policy threads, the parts that seem to indicate he’s philosophically opposed to government assistance. Fair enough. I agree holding that belief, on its own, is not racist. But you seem to be either ignoring, or unaware, of large potions of his remarks that are in fact unambiguously racist. Take the following: “And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” There are two pretty insidious suggestions here. One, that blacks, as a race, might not be inherently capable of living freely; that they might be better off in bondage. And, two, that slavery wasn’t actually all that bad a deal. According to Mr. Bundy’s skewed vision, slavery was like summer camp where the benevolent masters let the simple slaves frolic happily in the fields. These are heinous things to suggest. I don’t give Bundy the credit for having come up with this on his own, because this is standard issue right-wing, neo-confederate revisionism. But what is clear at this point, now that these remarks have come to our collective attention, is that Mr. Bundy is a moron and a racist and simply unworthy of the intelligent conservative’s orgasmic adulation. My guess is Bundy was just doing his thing, advancing his own personal interests, when conservative celebrity came along and attached itself to him and his “cause” because there are many people in this country who will uncritically cheer for any gesture that approximates the thumbing one’s nose at the Federal government, regardless of reason or circumstances. I don’t think it’s fair to condemn Bundy supporters for their support prior to these remarks coming out, although I do think it’s fair to ask people why they were so quick to raise this man, a serial law-breaker and an inciter of violence, up onto a pedestal before doing the minimum due diligence. It’s good to see so many conservatives in the media coming out and c0ndeming Bundy, although I wish it could be done without the whiny “why doesn’t the left ever apologize for their mistakes like I’m doing?” provisos. As for those still clinging to the Bundy-as-hero cart, what can be said? I suggest it’s time to move along. Better heroes are out there.
@Tom: Oh, I see that now. Not being a racist that believes, as you obviously do (since rhat is the conclusion you jump to) that without government aid, blacks could not survive, I did not assume this is what Bundy meant. What I think he meant is that government aid breeds dependency which he could see in those projects and which all the data supports.
Sorry for my ignorance. In the future, I’ll try and think more like a using-racist so I can be sure to see racism in every conversation.
How is that any different than what Starr Parker said when she reported how black Americans are destroying their families, aborting their children, living off drugs and being totally dependent on the federal government for their every need, except that Ms. Parker said it with greater finesse?
And why didn’t you mention what Bundy said before the edited clips that were aired for no other reason than to portray him as a radical racist whose claims against the BLM should be denounced? Was Bundy being racist when he remarked how Spanish families were so much closer than white families? Was he being racist against white?
Starr Parker called her book Uncle Sam’s Plantation. Would it have been more racist had she called it Government Slavery?
You got a few sound bites from a much longer statement, and like all lemmings, you think that the sound bites were the entire content of the statement. How gullible you leftists are, and how stupid Republicans are for falling into the trap.
@Bill Burris:
Bill, you seem rather defensive here. I was merely responding to your request for reasons why you may have been mistaken in your assumptions. Again, you seem very willing to overlook the particulars of what was said because you agree with Bundy’s general conclusion. Asserting that an entire race would be better off as slaves doesn’t seem to trouble Mr. Bundy, or you for that matter, which – in the case of you – I find surprising. So is Bundy minimizing the horrors of slavery or does he actually believe that living free is worse if one is availing oneself of government services? Furthermore, why are you giving him a pass for his blanket and patently false generalizations? I have too think you’re too smart to actually believe the canard that all or most black people are on welfare, correct? So try looking at Mr. Bundy’s suggestion that blacks might be better off as slaves through the eyes of the majority of blacks who are living happy, prosperous and free lives. How should they take his rather extreme prescription for their well-being?
The media bias is pretty blatant.
Today a collusion between Rahm (I wanna be President) Emmanuel and CNN was exposed.
Although Chicago is in deep trouble, facing a fiscal black hole, wracked by levels of violence that make Iraq look good, and unable to get much help from the state of Illinois, CNN is making Rahm look good!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-rahm-emanuel-chicagoland-met-20140425,0,7245917,full.story
The spin involved in the show ended up being dizzying!
Remember the outrage over Rahm closing over 50 public schools?
They say you cannot polish a pile of crap, but it looks like CNN tried.
So, the Obamedia works in both directions: making some look bad, others look good.
@Tom:
Actually, you seem to have heard only what you wanted to hear. Did you listen to the entire video, where Mr. Bundy decries the plight of black Americans? I doubt it. Or the part where he said that whites could learn a thing or two from Hispanics about family closeness? I doubt that, as well.
Perhaps you should read Uncle Sam’s Plantation. When the government is telling you where you have to live, how much you can spend on food, how many minutes you get on your cell phone, what doctors to take your children to, how is that any different than being a modern day slave to the government? You ignore that the mantra is “You work for us (by voting for us) and we will take care of you.”
And if you are really wanting to be informed, here are some authors that you should read about the destruction of the black family via the government: Thomas Sowell; Larry Elder; Starr Parker; Shelby Steele and Nigel Ennis.
The difference between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to minorities is that Republicans think minorities are smart enough to run their own lives and Democrats believe minorities are too stupid to run their own lives so the Democrats in power have to do it for them.
The Collective labels everything it opposes as racist.
The problem here is that the BLM in its confrontation with the armed citizens coming to Bundy’s rescue, recognized the danger of turning Bundy into a folk-hero of the right. This is the primary reason they withdrew.
Now the Collective will busy itself with attempting to destroy Bundy at least in the public consciousness with mischaracterizations beginning with the obligatory accusations of racism. You can see the drive to mishcaracterize Bundy in Tom’s parroting of the Collective’s talking point directives above. Distorting the words and positions of Bundy supporters as ABC did here, is part of that process. Not only must Bundy be demonized, but his supporters must be as well.
Once the Collective has satisfactorily destroyed the man’s reputation to its satisfaction, it will resume its oppressive attacks on Bundy’s property.
FOX News’s notice of Bundy’s racist tendencies was very slow in coming. That’s what left them open to criticism on the point. They should have checked the guy out before turning his confrontation with federal authorities into a cause célèbre. They wouldn’t have had to dig too deeply. They might, for example, have simply paid attention to their own coverage.
Racist tendencies aren’t the half of it. Bundy believes that the highest legitimate instrument of law enforcement in the land is the local county sheriff. MSNBC picked up on this even before ABC. I was surprised just how radical the positions and tactics of supporting groups like the CSOPA actually are. Consider the video clip of Sheriff Richard Mack, beginning just after the 10 minute 35 second mark of this Rachel Maddow segment. In my opinion, Sheriff Mack is a dangerous lunatic. Sheriff Mack’s comments were televised on FOX News on April 14. Surely the meaning of his words has had plenty of time to sink in. Presumably the people at FOX watch their own programs.
You are hearing what this guy is saying, aren’t you? There’s nothing ambiguous about it.
@Greg: It may come as a surprise to some, but the subject of the conflict was Bundy’s unpaid fees/government oppression/overkill with 200 armed men/if the federal government actually has any right to own the land. Not Bundy’s position on race.
No surprise at all that MSNBC would be quick on the accusations of racism; it is their stock in trade. Apparently, however, the left must have felt their position weakening to resort (once again… sigh) to the race card. What MSNBC should be giving consideration to is the race-baiter Sharpton criticizing Bundy for criminally falling behind in his fees when Sharpton himself owes almost $500,000 in taxes himself. But, hypocrisy is not their concern; finding ways to change every debate to racism is.
What Bundy believes is that he owes his grazing fees to the state of Nevada, not the federal government. THAT is the issue, right or wrong. Not his opinions on race.
By the way, nothing in his ramblings actually indicate he is a racist person. In fact, he expresses concern for the plight of blacks and how, like in his case, the attention of the federal government is not necessarily a good thing.
These people are being pushed to extremes and feel they have their backs to the wall (compare the dispatch of the 200 heavily armed men to the kid-gloves treatment of the wanton destruction of the OWS brats). The government is overreaching, overbearing and oppressing. It could be that these independent westerners won’t take the intimidation lying down.
@Greg:
This is of course because they don’t exist, except within the single celled brains of Collective Drones who see racism in every darting shadow. How do we know? By listening to the words of someone who actually knows Bundy.
Black Bundy Bodyguard: He’s Not A Racist; “I’d Take A Bullet For That Man”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/25/black_bundy_bodyguard_hes_not_a_racist_id_take_a_bullet_for_that_man.html
This is where the unthinking and purely reactionary dolts of the Collective now label Bundy’s bodyguard as an Uncle Tom, and attempts to destroy him for his unforgivable rationality.
Now, why would anyone consider anything from Maddow, when it’s been shown that she knowingly distorts facts? She’s a known liar.
@Bill Burris, #12:
I understand that the underlying problem is Mr. Bundy’s belief that he has no obligation to pay the same fees for grazing his cattle on publicly owned land that other ranchers pay, that he owes over $1 million dollars as a result of refusal to pay for 20 years, and that he has willfully and defiantly ignored multiple court decisions that he should, in fact, pay.
Sending armed enforcement officers isn’t exactly a hastily taken step on the part of the federal government. It’s taken two decades for the situation to get to that point.
Bundy’s attitudes about race and government very likely have much to do with the situation. He apparently dislikes black welfare recipients because he perceives them as freeloaders—an interesting position, from someone who has used the American taxpayers’ public land for 20 years without paying the required fees that other ranchers willingly pay. And not only does he refuse to acknowledge the authority of federal government. He’s essentially advocating insurrection.
@Kraken, #14:
I really don’t know. Maybe it’s because her viewers understand that she isn’t lying, and recognize the fact that she’s intelligent and decidedly not crazy. But what anyone thinks of Rachel Maddow is really beside the point. It’s what Sheriff Mack and people who think like him have clearly stated themselves that matters. It isn’t difficult to understand the meaning of their words.
In that video clip, Mack states that they considered putting their wives and daughters on the front line in the event their confrontation with the BLM became violent. So the world would see the federal government shooting down defenseless women.
This isn’t the talk of a rational man.
@Greg: Why hasn’t the government sent armed forces to collect the $500K Sharpton owes? How many armed men would it take to collect the billion owed by Berkshire Hathaway, aka Warren Buffett? Even if we agree on the point that Bundy actually owes his fees, this is the problem I have with the collection methods AND the righteous indignation the left pretends to have in the matter; the left has no problem with liberal tax scofflaws. It’s only when there is someone that occupies something the left wants or the are conservative that laws and their enforcement play in.
Another part of this drama that makes me suspect there is far more to this than delinquent fees is the on again/off again concern for the desert tortoise. This was the extremely critical issue that prompted kicking Bundy off the land, yet when public opinion began to turn against the government (via the 200 heavily armed men and snipers in the hills reaction) we heard no more of the ridiculous tortoise premise; sort of reminds me of the video excuse cover for Benghazi… if something like that has to be contrived, then the facts are definitely not what they seem. Add to that this latest race-bait and switch ploy and it all adds up to “what the hell are they REALLY up to?”.
This is not about delinquent fees. It could be about Reid and his pocket lining or something else… but it ain’t about fees or tortoises.
@Greg:
But if her viewers have this understanding, then wouldn’t her viewers be unintelligent and crazy? I mean, what does it really say about people who trust a person who has been repeatedly proven to be a distrustful liar? The fact that Maddow is a known prolific liar isn’t beside the point, it becomes part of the point when she’s cited. This isn’t just my opinion; multiple pieces of evidence for this can be found easily in seconds with a simple Google search.
@Kraken, #17:
As I said in post #15:
The discussion here isn’t about Rachel Maddow, any more than linked video clips that happen to be located on YouTube are about YouTube.
I was wondering where was the big racist fuss,
CLIVEN BUNDY said what the liberals who see the young BLACKS student should be doing,
but CLIVEN BUNDY WAS IN HIS WORDS TARGETING THE YOUNG ON THE STREETS PLAYING THE KNOCKOUT GAMES ON THE WHITES CITIZENS, THE WORD NEGRO IS AN OLD NAME GIVEN TO THE SLAVES WHEN THE ARABS CAME WITH A BOAT LOAD OF THEM TO SELL THEM TO THE WHITES SETTLERS,
which the name was never offensive for them, BECAUSE IT’S THE ONLY ONE THE ARABS CALL THEM,
it was kept by ranchers giving them work in any one of their plantation and ranch,
THEY GAVE THEM A LIFE WHICH WAS EARNED WITH PRIDE FOR THE SOCALL SLAVES
WHO BECAME PART OF THE FAMILY ALONG THEIR CHILDREN WHICH WHERE NEVER ASK TO ABORT BECAUSE THEY WHERE TOO MANY,
CLIVEN KNOW THAT LIFE HE COME FROM GENERATION OF RANCHERS,
THEY TREATED THEIR HIRED HANDS WITH RESPECT AND DICIPLINE WAS NECESSARY,IN THOSE TIMES, NO STREET GAMES no KNOCKOUT GAMES ON WHITES, THEY DID NOT EVEN HAD TIME FOR THOSE NEFARIOUS HATEFULL MINDSEST, BUT THEY HAVE TODAY AND ARE GETTING PAID FOR IT,
THOSE WHO HAVE PARENTS TO GUIDE THEM LOVE THEM ENOUGH AND PROTECT THEM IN A POSITIVE DREAM OF ACHIEVING A LIFE OF BEING THE BEST IN WHAT THEY CHOOSE ARE NOT NAMED BY CLIVEN BUNDY, HE WAS TALKING OF THE OTHER TOO MANY IN PRISON FOR MANY YEARS,
WHEREN’T THEY BETTER OF PICKING COTTON WITH THE SKY OVER THEIR HEAD INSTEAD OF IRON BARS,
OR ON HORSE BACK LOOKING FOR CATTLE OF THE RANCHER,
DAMN YES THEY WHERE,
YES THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF IN THE OTHER LIVES, BEING GUIDED BY THEIR PARENTS CLOSE BY THEM, YES PICKING COTTON WHAT WAS SO WRONG ABOUT HIS WORDS
picking cotton or spend your life in prison hating your condition and pack together like cattle,
yes picking cotton any time, over sequestration for life,
CLIVEN BUNDY HAS NAILED IT RIGHT ON THE BUTTON. THERE IS NO RACIST , NO OUTRAGE ,
NO DESPICABLE WORD, HE SAID WHAT THE CITY PEOPLE, OF ALL COLORS ,
WHO WHERE ATTACK BY THE KNOCKOUT GAMES, OR ROBB AT HOME OR BEAT TO DEATH, BY CRIMINAL MINDS WHO WHERE NOT BORN CRIMINALS, BUT TOOK THE EASY LIFE, DRUG MENTALY SCREW BY IT’S USED,
THE VICTIMS, THINK HE IS RIGHT ON, THE OTHER ARE FREAKEN SCARE TO ADMIT IT, THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING CALL RACIST,
NO RACIST THERE, READ AGAIN,
@Greg:
So, does this mean that I have to copy and paste my response to post #15 here?
Except that you’re comparing apples and Legos here.
YouTube, is not a person, it is a video hosting service, though some do ascribe political motivations to it’s parent company Google with regards to censorship and other issues. Though she may be unaware of it herself, Maddow is an individual human being. An ideologue and known prolific liar with a transparent political agenda.
Otherwise, if the discussion weren’t at all about Maddow, then you would have been happy to post a video without Maddow’s context. The fact that you did, makes Maddow a part of this discussion, even if you don’t want it to be. And what we know in this regard, is that Maddow is not a trustworthy personality, so what she airs need not be taken with any degree of seriousness.
@Kraken, #20:
That happened to be the only place I could readily find it. Note that I specified the minutes and seconds mark at which the part in question began, to spare your delicate sensibilities from any unnecessary exposure to Rachel Maddow. We certainly wouldn’t want your brain to be instantaneously contaminated by accidental exposure to unacceptable ideas. I presume you know how to work the slider control.
You obviously aren’t wanting to discuss what Bundy and his on-the-scene supporters themselves have actually said. I suspect because it doesn’t fit so well with what we’re supposed to believe about the situation.
@Greg: I’m still kind of wondering what any of that matters in regards to whether or not the federal government has the right to own 85% of Nevada and then kick people working the land off for the benefit of…. well, we just don’t know yet?
Back when the associations of Obama and Ayers and Wright were being made known, his associates did not matter to the left. Now, this is all about Bundy’s associates as if they and he developed this policy of controlling most of the land in the west and keeping working people from making a living.
In the case of an elected official, it damn well DOES make a difference as it is an indicator of the person’s own personality and inclinations. These are people Obama sought out and associated with.
In this case of the people seeking to provide support to Bundy in this case, there is no implication. First, they are not Bundy associates and he did not seek them out; they simply have the same view as his about federal government involvement in state affairs. Further, what they think or say, other than such statements about federal ownership of state land, have no place in the debate. Even if Bundy is a rabid racist Klan Grand Cyclops, he still has citizen’s rights that, if being violated, should be protected.
The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) designated over 50 million acres of public land available for solar development in Nevada, including nearly all of Bunkerville, the home of the Bundy Ranch.
A map of “Proposed Solar Energy Zones” prepared by the federal agency in 2010 revealed that the government deemed over 70 percent of Nevada open to applications to lease public lands for solar projects.
According to the document, 9.6 million acres were available for applications through the “Solar Development Program,” and an additional 40.8 million acres were available, though no action had been taken. The accessible land totals 50.4 million acres, or 71.7 percent of Nevada, which spans 70.3 million acres.
President Barack Obama has prioritized using public lands for green energy projects.
“When President Obama took office, there were no solar projects permitted on public lands,” the Interior Department said in July 2012, announcing a “roadmap” for the development of more than a dozen solar plants. “Since 2009, Interior has approved 17 utility-scale solar energy projects that, when built, will produce nearly 5,900 megawatts of energy—enough to power approximately 1.8 million American homes.”
“Thanks to steps already taken by this administration, renewable energy from sources such as wind and solar have doubled since the president took office,” they said.
The administration said that over 19 million acres of public lands managed by the BLM have “excellent solar energy potential” in California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Utah.
The Solar Energy Zones (SEZ) map preceded the final “Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement” (PEIS) for solar development in six southwestern states in 2012, which outlined an “initial set” of 17 projects on 285,000 acres of public lands.
BLM spokesman Craig Leff said there is “no connection” between the impoundment of Bundy’s cattle and solar energy development in Nevada.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/blm-designated-50-million-acres-open-for-solar-development-in-nevada/
No connection between the impoundment of Bundy’s cattle and solar energy development in Nevada? Sure there wasn’t, Mr. Leff. And if we like our doctors, if we like our health care plans, we can keep them, right?
@Kraken:
Good point. One black man employed by Bundy says he’s not a racist. No conflict of interests there. We can all now in good conscious comfortably ignore and forget that stuff he said about blacks being better off as slaves., because it’s not what you do or say or profess on video to believe, it’s what one random gut you pay thinks. The collective has spoken.
@Tom: Still looking for the part where Bundy says blacks are better off as slaves, but since I don’t (thankfully) reside in the imagination of liberals, I just can’t.
What he said was blacks living in squalor by the good graces of the federal government is no better than slavery. He may be right, he may be wrong (I tend to think he has a valid point) but he is NOT endorsing slavery.
Racism is using minorities for political gain. When the left began using Bundy’s remarks to redirect the debate from government overreach and oppression to a discussion of non-existent and irrelevent racism, that is exactly what they are being.
@Bill Burris:
Bill, I”m truly curious, do you know anything about the life of an antebellum American slave? What if I said to you, Bill, your life is so pathetic, you’d be better off if you were owned by another man who tortured you at his whim, your wife was repeatedly raped and your children taken from you and sold? Under any contemporary American circumstances, would you find that insulting, or a potentially “valid point”?
@Tom: Probably much more than you, since I haven’t just paid attention to the bits I can make political advantage of. But, again, what does any of it have to do with Bundy’s position on access to the land? Your absorption by that tangent indicates ceding the point.
@Bill Burris:
I don’t know, Bill. is it possible this discussion on race was actually started by your post #2 in which you discussed the accusations of racism and actively solicited the opinion of anyone who might disagree with you?
@Tom: Well, anything is possible. However, since the TOPIC was Bundy’s remarks and racism, I don’t really think a pivot to racism can be laid at my feet
@Greg:
Unacceptable ideas don’t really have much to do with anything. There aren’t any unacceptable ideas there, though I suppose it gets your gonads going to think that there is. It always makes me chuckle when your kind thinks they’re talking truth to power. Rather, she’s the equivalent of Dan Rather with regards to its reliability and accuracy in terms of content. One may as well watch the Daily Show or Steven Colbert for their news consumption. Any drone that has ever whined about the purportedly clever editing techniques of O’Keefe even after he posts full unedited footage should understand this.
I’m sure that it gets your endorphins flowing to think that I don’t want to discuss some imaginary issue that you’re desperately waving about. But it just hadn’t occurred to me as an issue that deserves great attention, since there just isn’t any credibility to it. Sure the Collective thinks Bundy is racist. But the Collective thinks that anyone and anything that commits thought crimes against it is racist, so that doesn’t really amount to more than a hill of beans, which Bundy will likely be eating.
There isn’t anything at all racist in Bundy’s words. In fact, he makes a legitimate point.
The state of the African American has in fact worsened since the genesis of the War of Poverty. There’s no question that they’re worse off now than when LBJ re-enslaved them under the Jim Crow law supporting Democratic Party. So the notion that they may not be better off receiving whatever pittance that Democrats see fit to give them in exchange for their votes, than they were under slavery without such pretext, isn’t at all an outrageous idea. And it certainly isn’t racist.
In fact I would argue that other minorities had better take a good long hard look at what the Democratic Party has done to the African American condition over the last 60 years, and ask if they want to go down that same miserable road themselves.
In any case this is why the Collective gets lathered up into a frenzy whenever an African American starts to think contrary to its directives, and starts in with the Uncle Tom nonsense and personal destruction assaults. If African Americans ever become unglamoured by the free stuff that is promised to them in exchange for votes in great numbers, and wake up and see through the Collective’s revision of history and realize what the Democratic Party has truly done to them over the last 60 years, there likely wouldn’t be a Democratic Party anymore.
@Bill Burris:
Well that’s just it, they’re constantly arguing against points that no one makes. While it indicates a level of mental disturbance, it also provides fodder for endless entertainment.
Mr. Bundy should have an articulate spokesperson. This speaker would understand his point of view and would emphasize context. What happened here was a hit job by The New York Slimes. Their job is to deflect for the Incompetent Commander In Chief. ABC with the younger Cuomo as the interrogator, did the same thing. They want to put Bundy in a position that equates Christie directing traffic on that infamous bridge.
Nevada could stand a couple of nuclear power plants. They have the means of disposal right there. Oops, Reid has shut that place down. No money for the Reids in that scenario. Without subsidies and rate payer confiscation, wind mills and solar arrays become economic sinkholes. Billions wasted over 3% of the power grid. LOL.
Tom
IF YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL THE OWN SLAVES HAD THE TORTURES YOU MENTION,
YOU ARE A NUT CASE,
this was like it is now for some,
meaning not the norm,
the ranchers needed extra hands and where doing the best they could to keep them in good shape,
that was NOT the norm, not the martyrdom you suggest,
TODAY there is same abuse on people and the color is not only black,
the proof is that many did not want to leave their place. they had found a home in there,
and do you think those people who paid money they didn”t have to get those blacks coming out of a cram boat, those have survived by the incredible strenght of their innerself,
they where emaciated, left hungry during the time they where prisoners of the ARABS, beating them
those who where trying to beg for their return to their family,
many where dump out in the ocean who couldn”t make it,
now look at the human being staring at the survivors offer to them by an arab wanting money,
what made the rancher take as much as he could to give them back a life, that was the compassion ,
which played a big role in the trade, for the majority of settlers who also had left his country and had suffer the long road to get to the settlement, they where a family also tired and weak from their long road,
they needed help for that big land to care for, and the arabs knew it, they where doing that business of going to africa and picking by force the blacks separating them from their family brutaly,
without moral or compassion,
they where the tyran, they had done it for century,
so those who where bought survived, because of the whites landowners,
they are here through their ancestor and live in AMERICA TO THIS DAY,
their ancestor after some times had been able to have their wives join them and make their lives better ,
the same was for the land owners taking wives they too had a hard life, either could have time to sleep on the job, but each where having a life as best as they could, on those vast lands,
THERE WAS A CODE OF CONDUCT NEEDED TO BE RIGID BUT BOTH BLACK AND WHITE
WHERE UNDER IT,
TODAY AT YOUR JOB YOU ARE AGAIN SUBJECT TO YOUR BOSS DEMAND, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE LABEL HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY, YOU CAN BE ABUSE STILL BECAUSE EVIL HAS FOLLOWED THE HUMAN WITH NO MORAL, EXCEPT IT’S DONE BY ALL COLOR, THE SAME ABUSE OF OTHER BY CRIMINAL MIND SET TO HURT OTHER, FOR ANY EXCUSES THEY CAN GIVE YOU,
TO EXPLAIN THEIR EVIL,
NO ONE CAN EXTERMINATE THE GENETIC CODE OF THE BAD PEOPLE , IT LIVED SINCE CREATION,
BUT IF THE BLACKS WANT TO PICK ON THEIR EVIL LET THEM
PICK ON THE ARABS WHO DID HUNT THEM LIKE ANIMALS,
NOT THE WHITE SETTLERS WHO TOOK THEM IN, AND SHOW THEM TO WORK AS THE RANCHERS NEEDED TO,
THEY ARE LUCKY TO HAVE END UP IN AMERICA, BECAUSE IN ARAB COUNTRIES , THE TRADE OF SLAVES IS STILL GOING STRONG, AND THEY DON’T HAVE THE SAME OPORTUNITY AS IN AMERICA,
YOU MUST BLAME THE RIGHT ONE IF YOU WANT TO SPEND YOUR LIFE BLAMING SOME HUMAN, THE ARABS DID THAT
Looks like Germany is going back to coal. Billions wasted on “renewables”. Mothballing of “green” energy until the technology improves.
@oil guy from Alberta: Reid did say this wasn’t over. Look at what happened. A story that had nothing to do with racism being made into a story about racism in order to slander a person who stood up for himself and later dared to call out the shortcomings of the welfare state. It reeks of the tactics Reid (and the left) uses. Hopefully Bundy goes after the originators of this “story” and hits them with a slander suit. It would be even more fitting if the Koch brothers were to finance the suit just to get under Reid’s skin even if he wasn’t involved in the manufactured racism charges.
oil guy from Alberta
Hannity WILL GO TO DAKOTA TO TALK ABOUT THE JOBS THERE AVAILABLE,
HE WILL MAKE A WHOLE SHOW WITH IT, ABOUT THE ENERGY NEED TO BE OPEN
SO THE JOBS WOULD BE AVAILABLE,
I JUST CAUGHT THAT ON FOX A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO,
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone: Unemployment is close to 0%. Thousands of jobs at or above 100k$. Need the XL pipeline to mix with the bitumen to create further capital for exploration and production. N. Dakota can’t keep up with the new housing. How’s the bee warrior doing?
Not everybody gets all these PC memos, folks.
Can you imagine being isolated on a ranch in the middle of a desert?
Try.
Today the term, ”FIESTA” became the latest PC dirty word.
Yes, as of today, it is ”racist,” for whites to say, ”FIESTA.”
So, how many of you knew that?
As for the term, ”negro” I knew people who lived without computers, never watched TV, just worked their land and were wonderful folks who used that term all the way up to their deaths.
They didn’t get the liberal PC memo, either.
Their use of that term had nothing to do with ”racism.”
They simply were NOT racists.
But they were unfamiliar with the latest in PC policing.
I can easily imagine this rancher being of their ilk……
Strong, independent, better things to do than follow someone on Twitter.
That said, the blatant hypocrisy of Leftists – who watch their black members call out one another as niggers (or niggahs) and watch as Central and South Americans call it a fiesta – while laying down heavy loads on themselves (and their political opponents) is an example of why their entire philosophy must fail.
@Nanny G: Negre in French means black. Negro in Spanish means black. Negro in English means “you’re a racist”.
@retire05, #23:
There seems to be a conspiracy theory for every occasion.
No one needs to look any further for explanations than the fact that Bundy is openly defying the rule of law, openly defying the authority of the federal government, and attracting people like Sheriff Mack, who are essentially advocating armed insurrection. If you think the average American sympathizes with any of that thinking, or that the federal government is simply going to ignore it, you’re dreaming.
Bundy’s remarks concerning blacks and slavery, without any editing.
I’m not entirely sure how using public land without paying for it differs from accepting food to feed your children or living in public housing without paying for it. Except for the fact, perhaps, that Bundy is operating a business that utilizes public land, and had the means to pay as he went along.
oil guy from Alberta
yes it”s a gold mine, and I forgot to pay attention if it”s south or north,
or maybe both,
best to you,
Now, as this kabuki theater continues, let’s pause to read the edited and unedited transcripts of Bundy’s comments.
Let’s also take a moment, to watch the edited and unedited comments.
Greg
CLIVEN BUNDY IS A PUBLIC, better than any other public,
oil guy from Alberta
another land owner, BEING HASSEL BY THE BLM LAYNE CHAPMAN’TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA BORDER,
HE HAS THE DEED, AND HIS FAMILY OWN SINCE THE 18OO, NOW HE IS BEING TOLD THE FEDS OWN THE LAND, HE JUST CAME ON THE JUDGE JEANINE SHOW, HE IS FRUSTRATED ABOUT IT, IT’S CLEAR TO SEE,
HIS PEACEFULL RIGHT TO HIS LIFE IS BEING DESTROY FROM NOW ON,
AND HE IS JUST ONE AMONG OTHER, SOME GAVE UP AND ABANDON THE FIGHT,
IS IT IT TERRIBLE TO SEE THAT HAPPENING AT THIS TIME, IT’S DESPICABLE, OBAMA IS THE MAKER OF THAT SCAM, AGAIN,
BYE
GREG
THE PUBLIC LANDS BELONG TO THE PUBLIC, THE FEDS HAVE NOT THE RIGHTS TO PUT SOLAR TOWERS,
IN THERE, IT WOULD BE TAKING AWAY THE PEOPLE’S PUBLIC LANDS, AND USE IT FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN POCKET,
WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IS IT SAYING THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO RENDER ANY LAND
UNFIT FOR THE PEOPLE TO USE THEMSELVES, AS GENUENES PUBLIC OWNERS,
THE GOVERNMENT JOB IS ONLY TOWARD THE PROTECTION OF LAND FROM TAKE OVER BY FOREINERS,
ILLEGALS AND OTHER WHO WANT TO BUILT SOLAR JUNK ON IT,
THE FEDS ARE ONLY THE KEEPER OF THE SAID LAND FOR THE PUBLIC AMERICAN ONLY,
SO THAT TELL US THAT CLIVEN BUNDY WAS IN HIS RIGHT TO USE THE PUBLIC LAND
TO GET THE CATTLE GRAZE IN IT, THEY WHERE DOING A BENEFIT BY GRAZING, KEEPING THE LAND HEALTHY,
TELL THE OBAMA TO ASK THE SUPREME COURT OF THE LAND , WHAT HIS RIGHT CONSIST OF AS KEEPER NOT OWNER OF THE PUBLIC LANDS, HIS RIGHTS STOP AT KEEPING IT FOR THE PUBLIC NOW AND FUTURE EVEN AFTER HIM ANOTHER WILL BECOME A SAME KEEPER,
IF I TELL YOU TO KEEP MY PURSE WHILE I DO SOME CHORE,
IT DOESN’T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO LOOK IN IT OR CHANGE THE COLOR , OR ADD SOMETHING OR SPEND THE MONEY IN MY PURSE, YOU HAVE ACCEPTED TO KEEP MY PURSE INTACT
UNTIL I COME BACK TO CLAIM IT ,OR SOMEONE I DELEGATE,
TO COME TO YOU AND CLAIM MY PURSE UNTOUCH IN ANY WAY,
THOSE TOWERS IF BUILD MIGHT NOT BE THE WILL OF THE FUTURE AMERICANS WHICH WILL HAVE OTHER IDEAS ON THE USE OF THEIR PUBLIC LAND,
A TODAY PRESIDENT MUST THINK WAY FURTHER THAN HIS TIME, IF HE IS A KEEPER OF PUBLIC LANDS, HE WILL GO SOON,
AND THE PUBLIC LAND WILL ALWAY STAY PUT, IF HE HAS BEEN A RIGHTFUL KEEPER OF THE PUBLIC LAND , HE MUST RETURN IT INTACT AS HE WAS GIVEN IT TO ONLY KEEP FROM FOREIGNERS,
OR QUESTIONEBLE CONTRACTS TO ALTER ANY PIECE OF THOSE PUBLIC LANDS,
it result to mean that the only use of the land is from RANCHER AND CATTLES,
ONE MORE ISSUE TO CLEAR, THE RANCHER DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY GRAZING OF PUBLIC LAND, WHY?
BECAUSE THE GRAZING OF IT , BRING UP MORE GOOD GRASS TO GRAZE AND SO ON IT IS REPEATED FOREVER AS GOD CREATED IT, SO WHY SHOULD HE PAY FOR TAKING CARE OF THE LAND BY RENUAL OF THE GOOD GRASS EACH TIME THE CATTLE EAT IT,
THE GOVERNMENT TRY TO RIP OFF THE RANCHERS, BY ASKING TO BE PAID FOR A GRASS WHICH REGROW, BECAUSE OF HIS CATTLE, HE DOESN’T OWE ONE PENNY,
GET OFF HIS BACK, AND THE TEXAN RANCHER THE SAME,
IT’S NOT NICE TO TRICK THE GOOD AMERICANS,
BYE
Greg
ONE MORE ISSUE TO TACKLE,
WHICH MEAT WILL BE BETTER? THE ONE FROM A NATURAL WAY OF CATTLE BEING RAISED
IN FRESH AIR AND FRESH GRAZING WITH THEIR BODY EXERCISE RUNNING ON LAND,
AS OPPOSE TO CATTLE CRAMP INTO STALL FOR LIFE,
NO NEED TO ASK FOR MORE,
BLACK LEADER SAYS BUNDY REMARKS NOT RACIST
Contends rancher talking about harm to African-Americans by ‘leftist socialism’
NOW THE EPA has more ideas of take over,
IT’S SINISTER, the water way of all the lands,
the result is all the farmer and ranchers and those owning lands are really pissed of with them,
MCARTY WANT TO HAVE THE ARMY WITH IT,
A BIGGEST LAND GRAB OF THE WORLD,
A SOCIALIST ADVANCE WITH A GIANT STEP FROM OBAMA,
TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE WATERS IS THE MOST DANGEROUS MOVE EVER,
and the most radical ever,
he must have told the EPA TO PUNISH ALL OF THEM,
HE WANT THEIR WATERWAY under his control,
would the AMERICAN ARMY SHOOT A CITIZEN ?
HE WANT TO KNOW, HE WANT TO SEE IT,
HE ALREADY ASK THE MILITARY BEFORE, SO THAT IS IN HIS MIND