Seriously, Stop Saying Marco Rubio Is The Moderate Candidate

Good Morning all, well the birther issue is a non-starter, unless c-section or breech. Trump is gonna sue on that and make Canada pay for it.
Who is the ‘establishment’?
Those that have been in power compromising our Constitution this is NWO conspiracy fun stuff, Illuminati, Bilderbergers, Catholic church ect. Get on your tinfoil hat.

Who is it that doesn’t want Trump elected?
All of the above, sane persons, and those that have a weird immunity to the mind control waves or are wearing their tinfoil hats.

Why don’t we know the names of ‘the establishment?
They would have to kill you if you were told.
http://listverse.com/2014/03/24/10-insane-conspiracy-theories-about-the-new-world-order/
Ok I have had my coffee I’m better now.

@Richard Wheeler: Nope Indian nations are acknowledged to be sovereign so technically they are foreigners in their own land. White male land owners how many acres are we talking here?
Evangelicals are not caring what time it is, Trump praised PP in his acceptance speech last night.

@Richard Wheeler: Rubio wont toss to Cruz, the “elders” would rather see Trump. Bernie is a cross between Bert and Ernie all he shows is dem disgust with Hillary and Sesame St. kids support. Cruz has an amazing ground game, organized/overseen as word has it, by his wife. He needs better PR and communications game.
I think he would make an amazing president, a better option than Donnie.

@Ditto:

Illinois judge rules in Ted Cruz presidential eligibility case

Well, actually he didn’t. He did the same as every judge has done on all of the challenges to Obama, etc. He punted.

Let me sum that up. He knows that Cruz is not a natural born citizen. So he can’t rule on that as it would open the door to Obama being illegal also, so he finds some technicality to dismiss. Let’s face it, IF he were ‘clearly’ a natural born citizen then he would just rule on it and stop the debate, but he knows he is not so he chooses to kick the can down the road.
I’m standing by my claims that:
Not enough about Obama is known to determine because no legal birth certificate was ever filed for him.
No American birth certificate was ever filed for Ted Cruz. He is likely not an American citizen.
Rubio is possibly a naturalized American citizen according to the US Constitution, but, his parents, being Cuban citizens at the time of his birth may actually be the determining factor as their citizenship might require that their children also be born as Cuban citizens.

No amount of waffling by American judges not wanting to open a can of worms can change the material facts in these cases.

@Ditto: Pretty much concur. Trump’s rise can be traced to: Obama’s failures and divisiveness; the hard left turn of the dems; the overbearing PC culture, and the failure of the GOP establishment to stand up for its constituents. In addition to the economic factors you mentioned, we also have a disregard for the Constitution and rule of law which covers the flood of illegal immigrants you speak of. While I feel sorry for future generations because of the mess they are being left with, my sympathy only goes so far. They were big Obama supporters meaning they brought a lot of this (especially the debt and a seriously weakened Constitution) on themselves. Given how many have a favorable view of socialism, their future prospects are even less bright.

@another vet: @Ditto:
Both your comments brought this to mind:

I’m enjoying the irony of American Sanders supporters lecturing me, a former Soviet citizen, on the glories of Socialism and what it really means!

Socialism sounds great in speech soundbites and on Facebook, but please keep it there.

In practice, it corrodes not only the economy but the human spirit itself, and the ambition and achievement that made modern capitalism possible and brought billions of people out of poverty.

Talking about Socialism is a huge luxury, a luxury that was paid for by the successes of capitalism.

Income inequality is a huge problem, absolutely.

But the idea that the solution is more government, more regulation, more debt, and less risk is dangerously absurd.

– Gary Kasparov

@Ditto: The young are definitely being influenced by left wing propaganda. I think a lot of us leaned at least a little left in our younger years. However, once becoming part of the fulltime workforce and paying taxes we went rightward to at least the center. Unfortunately, the youth of today may never get to the point where they make a decent wage and end up with the responsibility of paying taxes. The standard of the last 7 years has been part time work or low wage fulltime work plus handouts. If a majority of the jobs that have been created paid enough for people to support themselves, there wouldn’t have been an explosion of people on food stamps.

@another vet:

(Sigh) Today’s youth has been indoctrinated into becoming the “entitlement generation.” With every competition, the leftists taught them that everyone is entitled to an award regardless of how much or how little they worked for it, or whether they were doing their best to compete or were merely participating. Many of them have never worked, partially because jobs for US workers are rare and even many starting level jobs have been given to illegal immigrant workers (not that many of these teenagers have even been taught work ethics). Because Fagin inspired (see: Oliver Twist) Democrats have lied to them about how entitlement programs work, (or were supposed to work,) so much, that these young “adults” naively think they don’t have to get jobs because Uncle Sugar will see to their needs. Those who haven’t experienced the hard facts of real life yet, will too be unprepared when reality sinks in. It may take a while, but those who survive will eventually know that the puppeteers that have strung them along, care nothing for the foolish marionettes they use and discard.

@Wordsmith: Cult of a bad personality–Some fa’ers are blind followers- Thanks for your post Word.

@Wordsmith:

My presence here as an author is on life support. I rarely read comments here anymore.

Hopefully you’ll continue because you have lots of substance backed by facts in your threads. It doesn’t go unappreciated. However, I can see where your frustration sets in. For example, I’d be sick and tired of having to re-post the same old stuff over and over again such as you’ve had to do to prove the “Bush lied and people died” rant is a myth. I’ve had some contact with Mata outside of here and can understand her frustrations as to why she stopped. There have been others who have done the same.

Anyhow, this is the only blog site I frequent and I appreciate Curt keeping it going. If it ever shuts down, I wouldn’t go to another. Kudos to Randy for telling me about it.

@Wordsmith:

I’m just flabbergasted, scratching my head wondering if you deem these men to be RiNO or (*cue the X-Files music*) members of “the Establishment”, what does this make Trump?

First let me say that I appreciate you taking the time to make that long and thoughful response. Let me post this metaphor for Trump and the establishment:

Trump supporter or not, here is an attempt to explain what is going on.

When was the last time you could vote for the ideal candidate? I’m old, and I always voted. I can’t remember ever thinking any were ideal. We always have two choices, usually Tweedledee and Tweedledum. If you didn’t vote for Tweedledee you got Tweedledum. That’s the way it was folks.

Now consider this……An interesting analogy.

You’ve been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoon’s. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean, raccoons have overtaken your basement. You want them gone immediately,so you hire a guy. A pro. You don’t care if the guy smells, you need those raccoons gone pronto and he’s the guy to do it! You don’t care if the guy swears, you don’t care if he’s an alcoholic, you don’t care how many times he’s been married, you don’t care if he has plumber’s crack…you simply want those raccoons gone! You want your problem fixed! He’s the guy. He’s the best. Period.

That’s why Trump…. Yes, he’s a bit of an ass. Yes, he’s an egomaniac, but you don’t care. The country is a mess because politicians are playing games and we are all sick and tired of Tweedledee and Tweedledum choices. The Democrats are killing us, the Republican Party is gutless, liberals don’t have a clue, and illegals are everywhere. You want it all fixed!

You don’t care that Trump is crude, you don’t care that he insults people, you don’t care that he had been friendly with Hillary, you don’t care that he’s been married 3 times, you don’t care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O’Donnell, you don’t care that he doesn’t know the name of some Muslim terrorist… this country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegal’s, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hamid is a special group with special rights, to a point where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in; “AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED”. Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want. You’re sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, and sick of illegal’s. You just want this thing fixed.

Trump may not be a saint, but no person or company he has ever done business with has come forward and called him corrupt, or hard to do business with. He doesn’t have lobbyist money holding him, and he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him. All you know is that he has been well educated at the university of Pennsylvania Wharton Business School, seems to have boundless energy, has been very successful, a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he’s not a cowardly, deceitful, professional, politician. And he says he’ll fix it.

You don’t care if the guy has bad hair.

You just want those raccoons gone.

Out of your house!

Now!!!

That is from Facebook and no author is attributed. To whoever wrote it, I say thanks
There is just no way to say it any clearer.

Romney, I did vote for him in 08, though I was likely holding my nose when I did. He was for Obamacare before Obama was. As for Romney’s stance on immigration, I won’t argue it because it was non existent at the time of his campaign, regardless of what is now published, during the election cycle, it was not there. I do know and understand what Trump’s position is. Is it only lip service? Does anyone know? He does have a record he can defend, he has been very successful in doing many things.

McCain: “Complete the dang fence”

oooh, sounds serious… dang fence? Remember that McCain was a founding member of the Gang of Eight, as was little Marco. Basically their intent was to do away with any controls on the border and leave all the illegals alone.

Has it ever occurred to you that a lot of really smart people (including Constitutional scholars) have already thought this through and have arrived at the polar opposite conclusion to your view? Which is why for most Americans, this isn’t an issue?

So you’re saying I’m not a ‘follow the leader’ type of guy? I’m not particularly interested in anyone ‘thinking it through’ and coming up with the interpretation that best fits their needs. I accept the legal interpretation that has existed up until Obama decided to run. That a person has to be born of two American citizen parents and have no split allegiance to the USA. If one of your parents is Cuban then you are born a citizen of Cuba and if you are a citizen of Cuba, Canada and the US, you can hardly not have split allegiance. And as I said, it remains to be proven that Cruz is even an American citizen.
If he were eligible, I would likely be a supporter of Cruz. I like his politics.

Are you calling for a growth in the size of government in order to carry out what you suggest? Is the immigration issue the number one issue on the minds of most Americans?

If all the illegals self deport, I’d think we could vastly shrink the Immigration services. Look at how many people would not have to be working to supply all the free goods and services to the illegals. The immigration issue is tightly tied to the unemployment situation. Illegals are not on the unemployment lists, but those not working because illegals are, do show up on the rolls.

To my statement ” You have to look hard to find a candidate that could be considered as a supporter of conservatism. ”
You said:

Even if they don’t arise to your purity test standards of conservatism, how are any of the politicians you listed not conservatives? Trump is to the left of all of them.

Your question “how are any of the politicians you listed not conservatives?” hardly makes an argument for their being conservative. But to answer your question with another question, how can someone that is for open borders be considered as conservative by any measure?
I don’t need an argument that RR supported amnesty. It was a different time and different world in the 80’s. Even with that, he was sold out because it was supposed to be a one time amnesty.

“Bush lied and people died” I was, and am, still a fan of GWB. I do not believe GWB lied about WMD’s and his understanding of them in 2002-3. If he made the statement this year, that is attributed to him, but I’ve seen no proof of it, that they fabricated evidence of WMD’s in 03, then I believe he was lying when he said that because I do not believe he personally was a party to fabricating evidence. Why would he have to do that, there was far too much evidence that the WMD’s were there then and are still there to this day.

Sorry if I missed any significant questions.

@Curt –

I appreciate you keeping this site open. Occasionally, though, some of the back-and-forth debate gets to be too much, sort of like a pissing contest. That’s when I go away for awhile.

@Wordsmith, @another vet –

Having to comment many times over and over again gets old very fast. It’s much like “what don’t you get?” It ranges from Iraqi WMD to individual terrorists to groups (AQ, ISIS, Hamas, etc.) in which people are locked into their preconceptions and perceived “understanding”.