Following up on earlier pronouncements that Russia will “liberate” the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, Russia’s military now says it aims to seize the whole of the south as well.
The New York Times has reported the Friday statement of a Russian senior military commander, Gen. Rustam Minnekayev, as saying the aim is to take “full control of the Donbas and southern Ukraine.”
This was described as part of this newly launched “second phase” of Russia’s operation, which has lately appeared focused on completely securing the key southeast port city of Mariupol, which President Putin on Thursday had declared ‘liberated’ – though telling his defense minister that there’s no need to infiltrate the cavernous Azovstal steel plant, where the last Ukrainian fighters remain, but to seal it off instead.
The Russian commander in the Friday statements confirmed that the military plans to establish a land corridor linking up Crimea and the Donbas. But the fight for Ukraine’s south figures heavily into this, according to Gen. Minnekayev:
And in a line that will be concerning to Chișinău, he is also reported to have said that control of Ukraine’s south will give Russia another gateway to Moldova’s breakaway region of Transnistria.
“Control over the south of Ukraine is another way to Transnistria, where there is also evidence that the Russian-speaking population is being oppressed,” Tass quoted Minnekayev as saying at a meeting in Russia’s central Sverdlovsk region.
This puts Odesa in the crosshairs, which is home to Ukraine’s navy, and which has so far largely escaped direct heavy attack.
Map source: The Guardian
Previously both Ukrainian and Western officials had accused Moscow of eyeing Moldova next as a possibility for invasion. The small landlocked country is currently hosting somewhere between 100,000 and 400,000 refugees.
As Axios notes, “Russian troops already occupy Transnistria, an unrecognized breakaway state internationally recognized as part of Moldova,” and it remains that, “Moldova is also 100% reliant on Russian gas.”
What Putin wants requires the murder of tens of thousands of Ukrainians and the permanent relocation of millions into Western Europe. Moldova is the next item on his menu.
Letting mass murderers have what they want for the sake of one’s own comfort is not an option for any righteous people or nation.
Letting mass murderers have what they want for the sake of one’s own comfort is not an option for any righteous people or nation.
WHY ARE YOU NOT OVER THERE, FIGHTING RUSSIANS AND DEFENDING UKRAINIANS, ASSHOLE???
Put your money where your mouth is, instead of posting pro-Great Reset bullshit.
It’s’ still highly likely this invasion by Putin was sculpted for the express purpose of getting us more under the control of the unelected WEF people, just like released Covid-19.
Spurwing Plover
3 years ago
Just getting back to the days when it was the USSR wanting to control t he whole area like it was under Stalin and Kruschev
If the USA and its NATO allies actually cared about Ukraine, we would have just left the place alone to slowly settle into the de-industrialized agricultural backwater it was becoming. And if we wanted to prevent widespread devastation once Operation Z got underway, we would have promoted peace talks, with an emphasis on our previous declaration that Ukraine would not be a candidate to join NATO. Instead, we set up Ukraine as a launching pad for annoying Russia (while also using Ukraine as a money laundromat for public officials and arms-makers).
Satellite imagery has revealed what Ukrainian officials say appears to be another mass grave in Ukraine.
The site was spotted outside the port city of Mariupol, in the eastern part of the country, which has seen some of the worst fighting since Russia invaded.
The grave is located just 12 miles west of Mariupol, along the northwestern edge of Manhush. And it may be 20 times larger than the mass grave in Bucha, according to a Telegram post by the Mariupol City Council, and could hold up to 9,000 bodies.
“The occupiers dug new trenches and filled them with corpses every day throughout April,” the post said. “Our sources report that in such graves the bodies are placed in several layers.”
Maxar Technologies, a provider of satellite imagery, said in a statement that the size of the mass grave has gradually expanded over the past month as Russian forces continue to transport Ukrainian bodies out of Mariupol. It’s larger than three football fields, spanning approximately 340 meters — over 1,000 feet — in length.
Mariupol’s mayor, Vadym Boychenko, was quoted in the Telegram post as comparing it to the Nazi’s massacre at Babyn Yar, where more than 30,000 Ukrainian Jews were systematically executed over two days during World War II.
“Putin is destroying Ukrainians. He has already killed tens of thousands of civilians in Mariupol,” the post quoted Boychenko as saying. “This requires a strong reaction from the entire civilized world. Anything needs to stop the genocide.”
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The Mariupol City Council estimates that Putin’s forces have killed as many as 22,000 civilians in Mariupol.
They may have been buried by the russians, the question is who killed them. Should the bodies be left in place to decay? Nazis using citizens as meat shields, accusing the Russians of kidnapping when they transport them away from battlefronts and feeding them.
They may have been buried by the russians, the question is who killed them. Should the bodies be left in place to decay? Nazis using citizens as meat shields, accusing the Russians of kidnapping when they transport them away from battlefronts and feeding them.
Do you have any valid reason for questioning any of that beyond the fact that Putin wants you to?
Do you? What does Putin have to do with what I believe? Should bodies be left to rot in the rubble? There have been reports of kidnapping, I have seen videos of relief transports handing out food and medicine to Ukrainian people. People will go with anyone who will take them away from an active war zone, is that kidnapping?
Arming Nazis and prolonging this proxy war might be right up your alley, I just want the people who had no hand in starting this bullshit to have peace.
That’s definitely a question people should be asking themselves. Putin is also conducting a campaign of disinformation warfare on US social media. He exploits our freedom of speech to do so, while simultaneously imposing a total lockdown on the Russian population’s access to unapproved news and information sources.
Every pro-Putin, anti-Ukraine Twitter post with an unidentifiable source should be immediately suspected.
Peace for Ukraine is not pro Putin, anti Nazi is not pro Putin. Knowing where Zelensky slithered out of is not Anti Ukraine, Anti genocide of Romas and Russian ethnics is not Anti Ukraine, expand your thinking it isnt Black or white that is TV talk.
Well greggie, you and your liberal friends swear that Putin’s comments on Climate change are valid and you and your friends eliminate alternatives to “green Energy”. You and your liberal friends have been using Putin’s propaganda to destroy this country for a long time. Now, you want to blame everyone else!
That “NO reportage can be trusted” is actually the ultimate goal of disinformation operations. Steve Bannon said something to Michael Lewis about this. “Flood the zone with shit,” I believe he said. I don’t recall Steve Bannon being a leftist. He’s the guy who would be in prison for stealing contributions collected to build Trump’s wall, had Trump not pardoned him. Pardoned by Trump for ripping off Trump’s own supporters…
I don’t believe that. I believe they’re trying to tell a straight story. They don’t always get things right, but they’re generally trying to.
I know what Putin is by what he’s doing. I also see an organized social media operation intended to convince me that he’s in some way defending Russia, or saving Ukraine from NAZIs—that everything will be just fine if I accept that, and let Putin do what he will.
That’s a load of horse manure. I will not eat it for breakfast, pretending it’s a bowl of cereal.
I don’t believe that. I believe they’re trying to tell a straight story. They don’t always get things right, but they’re generally trying to.
Oh. Is that why they pursued the “Russian collusion” lie for 4 years? Is that why they refused to report the failure of Mueller to find ANY evidence of wrongdoing? Is that why they jump at every chance to report any negative story about Trump without checking any facts? Is that why they suppressed the Hunter laptop story? Is that why EVERY “mistake” they make always favors the Democrats?
No matter what they report, they are careful that it does not harm Democrats and/or enhances their opportunities.
You need to find another market to sell that rancid shit.
Putin sent troops into Crimea because he perceived a growing threat to Russia’s national interests. He perceived that threat because of what the Ukrainian government was saying and doing.
How do you imagine Russia perceives the expansion of NATO? Albania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Turkey… North Atlantic? WTF, indeed.
Putin sent troops into Crimea because he perceived a growing threat to Russia’s national interests. He perceived that threat because of what the Ukrainian government was saying and doing.
What should have been done differently? Are you suggesting that we should have gone to war with Russia?
You people are quick to criticize, but slow (as always) to state specifically what should have been done differently. Most likely because you realize you’d scare the bejesus out of all rational people who realize that Crimea really isn’t our problem.
greg: “I’m a troll, and I’m posting propaganda for the Old World pretending to be the New World. I have no real sources and you WILL accept what I’m saying. Anything to the contrary is ‘Putin propaganda’, even simple footage of abuse and war crimes committed by Ukrainians.”
That “NO reportage can be trusted” is actually the ultimate goal of disinformation operations. Steve Bannon said something to Michael Lewis about this. “Flood the zone with shit,”
Yup. That’s what the Left does. That’s what you do.
You even got some one-off quote by Bannon to cite, which is hilarious.
Leftist disinformation is what’s destroying the world, by design.
Do you have any valid reason for questioning any of that beyond the fact that Putin wants you to?
That’s not a point, that’s a deflection.
“Believe the propaganda I believe from the Left, and if you don’t fall in line, you’re believing some other Propaganda”
Do you understand you are just saying and thinking what a broken, Leftwing propaganda complex is telling you to…hiding behind the idea that it’s “everyone else who disagrees” that’s doing the same?
The Left: instead of having an personal insight, just accuse everyone else of doing what they have been caught doing publicly.
Yeah, the DoD being your own nation’s defender. Or you could believe a former KGB agent turned dictator, who is trying to expand his borders by launching a massive invasion.
No, the DoD is a department of the government. Under this leftist government, it has been transformed into a leftist tool of that leftist government. Just like the DoJ, CDC, FDA, DHD, DoE and intel community, the left has destroyed it’s credibility. You should be proud to have totally destroyed the nation’s credibility; when they operate JUST LIKE the former KGB agent turned dictator, the public no longer has anyone they can trust. Certainly not the very people who ran a coup against a lawfully elected President then installed an incompetent one through fraud.
Alina Beskrovna lived in a basement in Mariupol for a month as Russian troops destroyed her city outside. In a first-person account to UN News, she detailed how she went into hiding the morning of February 24 — the day Russia first invaded Ukraine — and stayed there until March 23.
She said people who could not get out within the first few days of the invasion were forced to stay because of active fighting in the streets.
“Those who tried to flee found themselves in a battlefield,” she said.
She described hope during the second week of the war when rumors spread on Telegram that there would be a humanitarian corridor opening up for civilians to go west to Manhush, but it turned out to be a false rumor, she said.
When Beskrovna finally decided to risk her life and flee from her hiding spot beneath the city, she said she witnessed Russian attacks with her own eyes…
Sadly, there's far worse than this out there. Many twitter accts posting these 'punishment' videos (& there were dozens a day) since 24-Feb-22 had accts closed. Women, children & teenagers, tied to trees/posts, half stripped in winter & people encouraged to beat & kick them pic.twitter.com/oC1bwzX9jJ
— ALETHEIA – Goddess of Truth & Wisdom (@dumptheguardian) April 22, 2022
The elected leader of the Ukrainian government is Jewish. Claiming the Ukrainian government he heads is Nazi is utterly ridiculous.
The Azov Battalion members are right-wing Ukrainian nationalists. OF COURSE they’re resisting a foreign invader. They’re damn good on the battlefield. They’re fighting a common enemy. They’re fighting an enemy of Western civilization, whose forces are engaging in rape, murder, and genocide. Under those circumstances, I’ll happy send money and weapons to arm them.
Putin can go to hell. The sooner he goes, the better.
Yeah, a Jew who bought two Nazi’s to address the Greek Parliament.
Those are YOUR heroes.
Good on you.
A bitter pill for Greece. Some of its own Nazis – as this Azov member does – have reinvented themselves, rewritten their history as freedom fighters. Outrage as Azov Nazi Addresses Greek Parliament – Consortium News https://t.co/j4Vi0QALOw
You need to address these human rights violations by Ukrianians if you’re going to troll with incessant pro-Great Reset garbage about “just kill Putin and we’re all good.”
What do you have to say about these people getting beat and plastic wrapped to poles and trees?
Once he starts calling out his heroes and stopped making excuses for their war crimes I believe pigs will have flown and unicorns will have been sighted.
The same thing I said before: None of the sources are identifiable. Though I’d give you odds that “Juan Sinmiendo” with his (or her) little Soviet hat is a paid Kremlin troll. You don’t even know when your being mocked.
The posts are like the State Farm Arena video. The captions tell you what to imagine you’re seeing.
The posts are like the State Farm Arena video. The captions tell you what to imagine you’re seeing.
See, there’s your problem. You outright admit you will SEE the truth but deny it. You don’t care about the source of the information of if it’s factual as long as it confirms your prejudices.
How do you know any of the bullshit you post is fact? Because some state dept asset said you should? Because CNN told you to? When Obama told you to support Russia you did. Now that Biden is telling you to hate them you do.
Alina Beskrovna lived in a basement in Mariupol for a month as Russian troops destroyed her city outside. In a first-person account to UN News, she detailed how she went into hiding the morning of February 24 — the day Russia first invaded Ukraine — and stayed there until March 23.
Lol
3) She collaborated with Secretary of State John Kerry and VP Joe Biden when they were actively helping to orchestrate the Maidan coup of 2014. pic.twitter.com/Gc6boIcGfc
Fortunately Joe Biden doesn’t need your support to support Ukraine, which the US and Europe are doing to an extraordinary degree. I’d like to see Trump do the precise sort of balancing act that the Biden administration has managed for 57 days. He wouldn’t be capable of it. I suspect we would have simply made growling noise, and let Putin have whatever he wanted. Someone here actually suggested that earlier.
Q: What do you think Trump would have done when Putin made his move against Ukraine?
A: Oh, Trump wouldn’t have had to do anything, because Putin wouldn’t have dared to…
I could just as easily claim Putin never would have tried anything, had Clinton had been elected. Putin sure as hell didn’t want her to be elected. He devoted time and energy to keeping that from happening.
But both propositions are let’s play make believe, a game that has little to do with reality. Realty is Putin unhinged, running tanks across a neighboring border to kill thousands of people, getting thousands of his own people killed in the process. Reality is Putin’s eye on Moldova and Georgia, if he succeeds.
Oh, Trump wouldn’t have had to do anything, because Putin wouldn’t have dared to…
It’s not postulation. It’s fact. Putin said he would invade during Trump. Trump told him that would be a bad idea. Problem solve. You can play make believe all you want.
Trump = Putin controlled and not invading.
Biden = Putin invading largely unchallenged.
It’s fact.
You losers having to rig our presidential election has cost the lives of thousands of Ukrainians, and left us without a working government.
Hope it was worth it. The bill will eventually come due.
I could just as easily claim Putin never would have tried anything, had Clinton had been elected. Putin sure as hell didn’t want her to be elected. He devoted time and energy to keeping that from happening.
As you’ve shown, you will claim anything, no matter how illogical or false on its face it is. We can credibly claim Putin would not have moved against Trump because he DIDN’T. It is now an historical fact that Trump made the US energy independent and a net energy exporter, which kept energy prices moderate and kept Putin from reaping the benefits of high oil prices, which he DID under idiot Biden and which DID fund his invasion of Ukraine.
Hillary, burdened with all the blackmail fodder she provided every adversarial nation on earth, would have danced to Putin’s tune.
So, claim away. But understand, because of the lies you’ve supported, the liars you’ve supported and the truths you’ve denied, you have no credibility to have a claim taken seriously.
Nathan Blue
3 years ago
Kind of like how you “know” all the propaganda you post, troll?
"Ukrainian soldiers hid behind our backs – they sat in our shelters, lived in our apartments, ate our food. None of them helped us…" said a local resident Alena.https://t.co/xI9HNbq4Dp
Funny how everyone seemed to be fine with the targeting of military assets belonging to saddam Hussein when the collateral damage was innocent Iraqi lives during the Iraq war. The coalition forces were no accused of war crimes
And you know GODDAMN well what he’s talking about.
We Americans can invade other countries and kill civilians. It’s fine. Bush in Iraq, Obama killing kids and women with drone strikes. It’s not an opinion. It’s fact.
Now the fake umbrage from the Left over Russia/Ukraine is pathetic. It’s manufactured outrage and it’s coming from the Democrat Media Complex.
Countries go to war. Your opinion over why and how they do it is absolutely meaningless. It’s just yet another “othering” by the Left to gain the following behavior: COMPLIANCE.
Trumper, Anti-Vaxxer, and now Putin Troll.
Might as well be reading word for word out of Mao’s little red book. This is how he killed over a 100 million people: othering.
The Left was horrified by civilian deaths during the bullshit war in Iraq and expected some kind of consequences for them. The Right shouted down such thoughts as unpatriotic —even treasonous. The Right has worked its ass off to keep the United States from participating in the International Court of Justice, where such issues would be dealt with.
The left is never horrified by the loss of life otherwise they would be unable to so enthusiastically cheer for every one of the 60 million baby deaths caused by the sacrament of the democrat party, abortion
WaPo in 2016? Took their time, didn’t they? Did CNN cover it for 4 years and demand impeachment? Did Democrats censure him? Took you a while to find the rare examples. Fact is, Obama was praised or given a pass on everything he did.
Yeah, ALL of them. Which you listed. Leftists DIDN’T complain because they approved of the failure. As I said, there was little coverage of his lies and corruption and certainly no government coups run against him, as happened to Trump.
And you know GODDAMN well what he’s talking about.
You “know GODDAMN well what he’s talking about” because you and he clearly share a lot of the same beliefs, concepts, and sources of opinion. You’ve both already seen these arguments laid out elsewhere in great depth. He can refer obliquely to ideas and you immediately know all the details of what he’s talking about because you’ve seen them explored elsewhere.
I don’t share that background with the two of you, so his full meaning wasn’t perfectly clear to me, and I asked for clarification in as polite and non-confrontational a manner as I could.
Listen, man: you don’t always have to be an asshole. You can take a break from it every once in a while.
Sources of opinion? Could you provide your details on that. If we can find these arguments laid out elsewhere why cant you? You want bottle feeding? Try the amazing internet, try reading.
You’re correct: that is how many on the Right respond to requests that they clarify their posts. I don’t blame you for this attitude: your clarifications consist mainly of spewing unrelated facts pulled from your increasingly foggy mind and/or the outdated set of World Book encyclopedias on your bookshelf. (An example: “I was born near Ripon.”)
That would make anyone reluctant to explain themselves in greater detail, but maybe you could let him speak for himself.
First Fuck you and your pedophile marxist mind.
Second I say research for yourself.
My favorite elementary teacher used to comment to my parents how I loved to read the encyclopedias, I passed on the set I bought to my daughter, they never become out dated ever. Unrelated facts are unrelated only to those ignorant of facts. I would love an antique set from the 1800s.
Its not my fault if you dont know how to use the internet to search for your answers, its the marxists that censor or only allow certain things in their retarded theology, its conservatives that say look it up, search, find out.
Sorry, but you routinely take an L and don’t seem to understand your dumb stereotypes of “conservatives” fed by outrage machines like CNN are on par with racial slurs.
You haven’t once made a point and defended it.
You are the dinosaur living in the 20th Century, confused as you increasingly fail to understand there is no authority in our government or media who is telling you the truth. You fight to maintain the Blue Church because you need it.
Why is American and NATO allowed to go to war for their interests, but other nations may not?
Hey, I’m against war unless you’re fighting back against aggression. I support Ukraine in pushing out the Russians.
The real question is why we have a globalist cabal of people who are making big decision for citizens who NEVER voted for them, such as those in the WEF and such.
The events leading to the Russian invasion involve the West, or at least a faction in the West helping to install leaders who all follow the “Build Back Better”, “New World Order”, and “Great Reset” ideologies and policies. It’s NOT an opinion. They say this openly and without consequence.
For example, Trudeau and Biden both use the above language. It’s coming from Europe, not in their respective countries.
WE did not vote for a globalist government. They have no right to “take over”, and them doing so is an act of war.
That’s what’s going in Ukraine: the fight over the imposition of the NEW WORLD ORDER.
Free citizens did not vote for this. The WEF needs to back off or there will be hell to pay.
Estimating war-related deaths poses many challenges.[1][2] Experts distinguish between population-based studies, which extrapolate from random samples of the population, and body counts, which tally reported deaths and likely significantly underestimate casualties.[3] Population-based studies produce estimates of the number of Iraq War casualties ranging from 151,000 violent deaths as of June 2006 (per the Iraq Family Health Survey) to 1,033,000 excess deaths (per the 2007 Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey). Other survey-based studies covering different time-spans find 461,000 total deaths (over 60% of them violent) as of June 2011 (per PLOS Medicine 2013), and 655,000 total deaths (over 90% of them violent) as of June 2006 (per the 2006 Lancet study). Body counts counted at least 110,600 violent deaths as of April 2009 (Associated Press). The Iraq Body Count project documents 185,000–208,000 violent civilian deaths through February 2020 in their table. All estimates of Iraq War casualties are disputed.[4][5]
Albright’s infamous “we think the price is worth it” comments.
Ive seen the videos this guy does, they are heartbreaking. Not only eating their food but stealing all the food. How some stay in old soviet era concrete bomb shelters, no lights or running water.
I know the man is Pro Russian but cant find any videos of anyone following the Ukrainian military feeding the citizens and helping them escape the zones.
Maybe Goose stepper can.
Greg
3 years ago
Either Putin is stopped now, or WW3 will come because we’ve failed to do so.
Curt resorts to communicating via F bomb, but he doesn’t have the guts to deliver it himself; he has to use an animated gif as an intermediary. What a manly man!
Also: it’s another example of what I referred to a little while ago. Greg questions your use of a gif as a means of making your point, and you lose you lose it.
You seem to have forgotten that adults in conversation ask questions of one another in order to learn more detail about particular ideas, where those ideas came from, and how they can be applied to various situations.
You’ve developed the idea that discussion involves putting your ideas out there for others who agree with you to lap up. Asking questions to get more information is now so foreign to you that ridicule it, purely as a knee-jerk reaction.
This might also be related to the fact that you’ve spent your adult life either taking orders unquestioningly or shouting at people to comply. You’ve never really had to deal with people as an adult deals with people.
I encourage you to be a grownup, Curt. It won’t hurt.
Actually michael, you got nothing from Curt. You interpret what Curt writes and always use you own ideology to think you understand what he says. You do that with everyone here.
greggie, over the years, we all have been waiting for you to actually understand an intelligent response. Most of us have had to reduce our comments to somewhere around the third-grade level hoping you would understand. You never do!.
Russian control of access to the Sea of Azov has been one of Putin’s primary military objectives. The Azov Battalion has made that very costly for him. Next he’ll go for Odessa, in an attempt to deprive Ukraine of all access to the Black Sea.
Putin’s forces—some being hired mercenaries—are committing war crimes in Ukraine on a massive scale. This isn’t accidental. It’s deliberate and premeditated. It’s how Putin hopes to attain his objective.
I don’t condone murder, but killing Putin or his invading troops is as justifiable as killing an armed home invader. This is what Putin and his thugs actually are—homicidal home invaders. They’re demonstrating their murderous intentions on a daily basis. There is no moral justification for their actions.
Putin sent troops into Crimea because he perceived a growing threat to Russia’s national interests. He perceived that threat because of what the Ukrainian government was saying and doing.
How do you imagine Russia perceives the expansion of NATO? Albania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Turkey… North Atlantic? WTF, indeed.
Putin sent troops into Crimea because he perceived a growing threat to Russia’s national interests. He perceived that threat because of what the Ukrainian government was saying and doing.
What should have been done differently? Are you suggesting that we should have gone to war with Russia?
You people are quick to criticize, but slow (as always) to state specifically what should have been done differently. Most likely because you realize you’d scare the bejesus out of all rational people who realize that Crimea really isn’t our problem.
Eight years ago, people here took issue with every one of those statements. I acknowledge that I was wrong. Putin IS our greatest geopolitical adversary.
We should have used the money at our southern border. We wasted our money sending it to the corrupt oligarchs in Ukraine
Let Putin have what he wants. Stop wasting money and lives of innocent people
What Putin wants requires the murder of tens of thousands of Ukrainians and the permanent relocation of millions into Western Europe. Moldova is the next item on his menu.
Letting mass murderers have what they want for the sake of one’s own comfort is not an option for any righteous people or nation.
https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1517536293663690754
You can’t figure out that you’re reposting Twitter crap from a Russian troll by looking at “Juan Sinmiedo’s” user image?
Sad that you can’t figure out your reposting Nazi propaganda
Certainly a bad time to have a completely incompetent idiot in the White House.
WHY ARE YOU NOT OVER THERE, FIGHTING RUSSIANS AND DEFENDING UKRAINIANS, ASSHOLE???
Put your money where your mouth is, instead of posting pro-Great Reset bullshit.
It’s’ still highly likely this invasion by Putin was sculpted for the express purpose of getting us more under the control of the unelected WEF people, just like released Covid-19.
Just getting back to the days when it was the USSR wanting to control t he whole area like it was under Stalin and Kruschev
If the USA and its NATO allies actually cared about Ukraine, we would have just left the place alone to slowly settle into the de-industrialized agricultural backwater it was becoming. And if we wanted to prevent widespread devastation once Operation Z got underway, we would have promoted peace talks, with an emphasis on our previous declaration that Ukraine would not be a candidate to join NATO. Instead, we set up Ukraine as a launching pad for annoying Russia (while also using Ukraine as a money laundromat for public officials and arms-makers).
The walls are closing in
https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1517566447060410369?t=j5y7IcOYJFlFusvwrs3gEg&s=19
04/22/22 – Another possible mass grave with as many as 9,000 bodies is found near Mariupol
The Mariupol City Council estimates that Putin’s forces have killed as many as 22,000 civilians in Mariupol.
They may have been buried by the russians, the question is who killed them. Should the bodies be left in place to decay? Nazis using citizens as meat shields, accusing the Russians of kidnapping when they transport them away from battlefronts and feeding them.
Do you have any valid reason for questioning any of that beyond the fact that Putin wants you to?
Do you? What does Putin have to do with what I believe? Should bodies be left to rot in the rubble? There have been reports of kidnapping, I have seen videos of relief transports handing out food and medicine to Ukrainian people. People will go with anyone who will take them away from an active war zone, is that kidnapping?
Arming Nazis and prolonging this proxy war might be right up your alley, I just want the people who had no hand in starting this bullshit to have peace.
That’s definitely a question people should be asking themselves. Putin is also conducting a campaign of disinformation warfare on US social media. He exploits our freedom of speech to do so, while simultaneously imposing a total lockdown on the Russian population’s access to unapproved news and information sources.
Every pro-Putin, anti-Ukraine Twitter post with an unidentifiable source should be immediately suspected.
Peace for Ukraine is not pro Putin, anti Nazi is not pro Putin. Knowing where Zelensky slithered out of is not Anti Ukraine, Anti genocide of Romas and Russian ethnics is not Anti Ukraine, expand your thinking it isnt Black or white that is TV talk.
Well greggie, you and your liberal friends swear that Putin’s comments on Climate change are valid and you and your friends eliminate alternatives to “green Energy”. You and your liberal friends have been using Putin’s propaganda to destroy this country for a long time. Now, you want to blame everyone else!
US social media allows nothing BUT disinformation.
Probably because in this day and age, almost NO reportage can be trusted at face value. This is what the left has blessed us with.
That “NO reportage can be trusted” is actually the ultimate goal of disinformation operations. Steve Bannon said something to Michael Lewis about this. “Flood the zone with shit,” I believe he said. I don’t recall Steve Bannon being a leftist. He’s the guy who would be in prison for stealing contributions collected to build Trump’s wall, had Trump not pardoned him. Pardoned by Trump for ripping off Trump’s own supporters…
NYT, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, WaPo are all great sources for disinformation that benefits the Democrat party.
I don’t believe that. I believe they’re trying to tell a straight story. They don’t always get things right, but they’re generally trying to.
I know what Putin is by what he’s doing. I also see an organized social media operation intended to convince me that he’s in some way defending Russia, or saving Ukraine from NAZIs—that everything will be just fine if I accept that, and let Putin do what he will.
That’s a load of horse manure. I will not eat it for breakfast, pretending it’s a bowl of cereal.
Oh. Is that why they pursued the “Russian collusion” lie for 4 years? Is that why they refused to report the failure of Mueller to find ANY evidence of wrongdoing? Is that why they jump at every chance to report any negative story about Trump without checking any facts? Is that why they suppressed the Hunter laptop story? Is that why EVERY “mistake” they make always favors the Democrats?
No matter what they report, they are careful that it does not harm Democrats and/or enhances their opportunities.
You need to find another market to sell that rancid shit.
Another daily reminder what a hypocrite Greg is
And
Of course he thought Putin’s perception of a growing threat was justified when Obama was in office
And:
greg: “I’m a troll, and I’m posting propaganda for the Old World pretending to be the New World. I have no real sources and you WILL accept what I’m saying. Anything to the contrary is ‘Putin propaganda’, even simple footage of abuse and war crimes committed by Ukrainians.”
Yup. That’s what the Left does. That’s what you do.
You even got some one-off quote by Bannon to cite, which is hilarious.
Leftist disinformation is what’s destroying the world, by design.
So no.
You can’t read too well, can you?
That’s not an answer; it’s a deflection.
That’s not a point, that’s a deflection.
“Believe the propaganda I believe from the Left, and if you don’t fall in line, you’re believing some other Propaganda”
Do you understand you are just saying and thinking what a broken, Leftwing propaganda complex is telling you to…hiding behind the idea that it’s “everyone else who disagrees” that’s doing the same?
The Left: instead of having an personal insight, just accuse everyone else of doing what they have been caught doing publicly.
No, dumbass, that’s the ANSWER. The ultimate, definitive answer and you leftists are the cause.
Joe Biden Brags About Owning a ’68 Corvette as He Tells Americans to Drive Electric Vehicles (VIDEO)
“Every pro-Nazi, anti-Russian Twitter post with an unidentifiable source should be immediately suspected.”
Fixed it for you. The source of this report?
A Maxar Tech satellite image. I’m not aware that Ukraine has any surveillance satellites. Maxar is an American company contracted by the DoD.
Nazi Ukraine officials say it is so then it is so…riiiiight.
Is that supposed to be reassuring? The left has turned every government agency into a Democrat political weapon.
Yeah, the DoD being your own nation’s defender. Or you could believe a former KGB agent turned dictator, who is trying to expand his borders by launching a massive invasion.
Or we could believe our former-defender the DoD turned dictatorship.
About the same.
They and Putin are the same. YOU and Putin are the same.
No, the DoD is a department of the government. Under this leftist government, it has been transformed into a leftist tool of that leftist government. Just like the DoJ, CDC, FDA, DHD, DoE and intel community, the left has destroyed it’s credibility. You should be proud to have totally destroyed the nation’s credibility; when they operate JUST LIKE the former KGB agent turned dictator, the public no longer has anyone they can trust. Certainly not the very people who ran a coup against a lawfully elected President then installed an incompetent one through fraud.
Can you prove your sources?
Please.
https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1517589711962972161
https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1517589062110044162
https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1517587282601070593
https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1517420549034680320
04/22/22 – A Ukrainian woman who escaped Russia’s assault on Mariupol says troops were targeting apartment buildings ‘as if they were playing a computer game’
How about this first person account?
https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1513940899713146886?s=20&t=sNTvHcUsApOWBfk4jSuhgg
“Loots of new videos coming soon,” tweets our favorite Putin propaganda troll.
Ohhhhhh….you found a misspelled word!!!!
Congrats.
Now onto THOSE first person accounts?
Why are you reposting propaganda that promotes a murderous Russian dictator? That’s the question.
Why are your reposting propaganda that promotes the Nazi regime in Ukraine?
The elected leader of the Ukrainian government is Jewish. Claiming the Ukrainian government he heads is Nazi is utterly ridiculous.
The Azov Battalion members are right-wing Ukrainian nationalists. OF COURSE they’re resisting a foreign invader. They’re damn good on the battlefield. They’re fighting a common enemy. They’re fighting an enemy of Western civilization, whose forces are engaging in rape, murder, and genocide. Under those circumstances, I’ll happy send money and weapons to arm them.
Putin can go to hell. The sooner he goes, the better.
Yeah, a Jew who bought two Nazi’s to address the Greek Parliament.
Those are YOUR heroes.
Good on you.
Putin can go to hell. The sooner he goes, the better.
And we’ll get someone worse, and the War will escalate.
Stop calling for the death of world leaders, greg.
Damn good at maiming and killing helpless POWs and breaking the Geneva Convention, too…and don’t forget their own civilians they are killing.
Stop with your propaganda.
According to your Putin trolls on Twitter.
And all you have are your Nazi trolls. reports using Nazi officials and quoting state department assets. Pathetic.
According to NWO trolls on the internet.
How does showing videos of Ukrainians hurting people promote Putin?
That’s absurd.
What don’t you get about the videos and photos showing what Putin is doing to Ukraine? There’s no question about those sources.
Bahahaha… Are you high?
That’s not how journalism works. The system you shill for is dead and has no authority on reporting the truth.
Quite the opposite.
Who the hell do you work for?
What ARE those sources? Do you KNOW?
You need to address these human rights violations by Ukrianians if you’re going to troll with incessant pro-Great Reset garbage about “just kill Putin and we’re all good.”
What do you have to say about these people getting beat and plastic wrapped to poles and trees?
Speak up, boy!
Once he starts calling out his heroes and stopped making excuses for their war crimes I believe pigs will have flown and unicorns will have been sighted.
The same thing I said before: None of the sources are identifiable. Though I’d give you odds that “Juan Sinmiendo” with his (or her) little Soviet hat is a paid Kremlin troll. You don’t even know when your being mocked.
The posts are like the State Farm Arena video. The captions tell you what to imagine you’re seeing.
None of your “sources” are verifiable or trusted…at all.
See, there’s your problem. You outright admit you will SEE the truth but deny it. You don’t care about the source of the information of if it’s factual as long as it confirms your prejudices.
https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1513940392907059207?s=20&t=sNTvHcUsApOWBfk4jSuhgg
greggie, you are such a fool. I suspect that it is hard for you to sort out the truth from the propaganda when you have your head up your butt~
How do you know any of the bullshit you post is fact? Because some state dept asset said you should? Because CNN told you to? When Obama told you to support Russia you did. Now that Biden is telling you to hate them you do.
Just sad man.
Lol
Wow. greg won’t touch this. It’s makes him and his master look stupid, which they are.
Putin knows NOW is the time to act, when the United States has no leadership and can be leveraged with cash.
Fortunately Joe Biden doesn’t need your support to support Ukraine, which the US and Europe are doing to an extraordinary degree. I’d like to see Trump do the precise sort of balancing act that the Biden administration has managed for 57 days. He wouldn’t be capable of it. I suspect we would have simply made growling noise, and let Putin have whatever he wanted. Someone here actually suggested that earlier.
So borrowing 14 billion and pouring it into a corrupt country is called a balancing act?
Biden failed. He lost the balance when Putin invaded.
Trump succeeded, and kept him at by for 4 years.
Except it’s empirical FACT that he is, now that it’s f*cking history, you dolt.
Q: What do you think Trump would have done when Putin made his move against Ukraine?
A: Oh, Trump wouldn’t have had to do anything, because Putin wouldn’t have dared to…
I could just as easily claim Putin never would have tried anything, had Clinton had been elected. Putin sure as hell didn’t want her to be elected. He devoted time and energy to keeping that from happening.
But both propositions are let’s play make believe, a game that has little to do with reality. Realty is Putin unhinged, running tanks across a neighboring border to kill thousands of people, getting thousands of his own people killed in the process. Reality is Putin’s eye on Moldova and Georgia, if he succeeds.
It’s not postulation. It’s fact. Putin said he would invade during Trump. Trump told him that would be a bad idea. Problem solve. You can play make believe all you want.
Trump = Putin controlled and not invading.
Biden = Putin invading largely unchallenged.
It’s fact.
You losers having to rig our presidential election has cost the lives of thousands of Ukrainians, and left us without a working government.
Hope it was worth it. The bill will eventually come due.
As you’ve shown, you will claim anything, no matter how illogical or false on its face it is. We can credibly claim Putin would not have moved against Trump because he DIDN’T. It is now an historical fact that Trump made the US energy independent and a net energy exporter, which kept energy prices moderate and kept Putin from reaping the benefits of high oil prices, which he DID under idiot Biden and which DID fund his invasion of Ukraine.
Hillary, burdened with all the blackmail fodder she provided every adversarial nation on earth, would have danced to Putin’s tune.
So, claim away. But understand, because of the lies you’ve supported, the liars you’ve supported and the truths you’ve denied, you have no credibility to have a claim taken seriously.
Kind of like how you “know” all the propaganda you post, troll?
Funny how everyone seemed to be fine with the targeting of military assets belonging to saddam Hussein when the collateral damage was innocent Iraqi lives during the Iraq war. The coalition forces were no accused of war crimes
I’m not sure what you’re trying to establish here. Could you please give a little more detail?
What do you not understand, specifically?
What details?
What’s a detail?
And you know GODDAMN well what he’s talking about.
We Americans can invade other countries and kill civilians. It’s fine. Bush in Iraq, Obama killing kids and women with drone strikes. It’s not an opinion. It’s fact.
Now the fake umbrage from the Left over Russia/Ukraine is pathetic. It’s manufactured outrage and it’s coming from the Democrat Media Complex.
Countries go to war. Your opinion over why and how they do it is absolutely meaningless. It’s just yet another “othering” by the Left to gain the following behavior: COMPLIANCE.
Trumper, Anti-Vaxxer, and now Putin Troll.
Might as well be reading word for word out of Mao’s little red book. This is how he killed over a 100 million people: othering.
The Left was horrified by civilian deaths during the bullshit war in Iraq and expected some kind of consequences for them. The Right shouted down such thoughts as unpatriotic —even treasonous. The Right has worked its ass off to keep the United States from participating in the International Court of Justice, where such issues would be dealt with.
The left is never horrified by the loss of life otherwise they would be unable to so enthusiastically cheer for every one of the 60 million baby deaths caused by the sacrament of the democrat party, abortion
Obama killed hundreds of civilians (women and children) with his drones. I don’t remember a single leftist complaining.
Then you weren’t paying attention. Big surprise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-drone-war-is-a-shameful-part-of-his-legacy/2016/05/05/a727eea8-12ea-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html
https://www.codepink.org/outrage_over_obama_s_drone_policy_hits_the_streets_of_san_francisco
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/27/anti-drone-activists-protest-obama
WaPo in 2016? Took their time, didn’t they? Did CNN cover it for 4 years and demand impeachment? Did Democrats censure him? Took you a while to find the rare examples. Fact is, Obama was praised or given a pass on everything he did.
Except for all the protests and complaints.
You don’t remember a single Leftist complaining because you don’t want to derail your narrative.
Yeah, ALL of them. Which you listed. Leftists DIDN’T complain because they approved of the failure. As I said, there was little coverage of his lies and corruption and certainly no government coups run against him, as happened to Trump.
I linked to articles about complaints and protests. You were wrong. Own it, you coward.
obama was the epitome of cultural rot, as disaster as president
Thanks for sharing.
You “know GODDAMN well what he’s talking about” because you and he clearly share a lot of the same beliefs, concepts, and sources of opinion. You’ve both already seen these arguments laid out elsewhere in great depth. He can refer obliquely to ideas and you immediately know all the details of what he’s talking about because you’ve seen them explored elsewhere.
I don’t share that background with the two of you, so his full meaning wasn’t perfectly clear to me, and I asked for clarification in as polite and non-confrontational a manner as I could.
Listen, man: you don’t always have to be an asshole. You can take a break from it every once in a while.
Sources of opinion? Could you provide your details on that. If we can find these arguments laid out elsewhere why cant you? You want bottle feeding? Try the amazing internet, try reading.
You’re correct: that is how many on the Right respond to requests that they clarify their posts. I don’t blame you for this attitude: your clarifications consist mainly of spewing unrelated facts
pulled from your increasingly foggy mind and/or the outdated set of World Book encyclopedias on your bookshelf. (An example: “I was born near Ripon.”)
That would make anyone reluctant to explain themselves in greater detail, but maybe you could let him speak for himself.
First Fuck you and your pedophile marxist mind.
Second I say research for yourself.
My favorite elementary teacher used to comment to my parents how I loved to read the encyclopedias, I passed on the set I bought to my daughter, they never become out dated ever. Unrelated facts are unrelated only to those ignorant of facts. I would love an antique set from the 1800s.
Its not my fault if you dont know how to use the internet to search for your answers, its the marxists that censor or only allow certain things in their retarded theology, its conservatives that say look it up, search, find out.
Okay, Google: where was kitt born? Please tell me it was near Ripon!
I wonder if you know what happened in Ripon? 1834 theres another hint.
My state has lots of interesting history, Watertown 1856.
Sorry, but you routinely take an L and don’t seem to understand your dumb stereotypes of “conservatives” fed by outrage machines like CNN are on par with racial slurs.
You haven’t once made a point and defended it.
You are the dinosaur living in the 20th Century, confused as you increasingly fail to understand there is no authority in our government or media who is telling you the truth. You fight to maintain the Blue Church because you need it.
The projection of the Left is now legendary.
You should read this. Jordan is definitely not right or left wing.
This explains why we are where we are today:
https://medium.com/deep-code/understanding-the-blue-church-e4781b2bd9b5
So you routinely tell me.
Why is American and NATO allowed to go to war for their interests, but other nations may not?
Hey, I’m against war unless you’re fighting back against aggression. I support Ukraine in pushing out the Russians.
The real question is why we have a globalist cabal of people who are making big decision for citizens who NEVER voted for them, such as those in the WEF and such.
The events leading to the Russian invasion involve the West, or at least a faction in the West helping to install leaders who all follow the “Build Back Better”, “New World Order”, and “Great Reset” ideologies and policies. It’s NOT an opinion. They say this openly and without consequence.
For example, Trudeau and Biden both use the above language. It’s coming from Europe, not in their respective countries.
WE did not vote for a globalist government. They have no right to “take over”, and them doing so is an act of war.
That’s what’s going in Ukraine: the fight over the imposition of the NEW WORLD ORDER.
Free citizens did not vote for this. The WEF needs to back off or there will be hell to pay.
Albright’s infamous “we think the price is worth it” comments.
https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1506757975272214542?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1506757975272214542%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheintercept.com%2F2022%2F03%2F25%2Fmadeleine-albright-dead-iraq-war-herbalife%2F
Ive seen the videos this guy does, they are heartbreaking. Not only eating their food but stealing all the food. How some stay in old soviet era concrete bomb shelters, no lights or running water.
I know the man is Pro Russian but cant find any videos of anyone following the Ukrainian military feeding the citizens and helping them escape the zones.
Maybe Goose stepper can.
Either Putin is stopped now, or WW3 will come because we’ve failed to do so.
Omg omg omg..the walls are closing!!!!
Goose stepper black or white TV choices.
Greg is a fan boi
TRUMPUTIN 2024 is a lost cause already. You just don’t know it yet.
BIDENAZI is doing just about as well.
Joe Biden is the President of the United States, whether you accept that reality or not.
He’s also supporting Nazi’s
He’s a fraudulent, incompetent, corrupt pile of shit and we DON’T like it.
We have plenty of bench warmers, should Trump decide not to run. Who do you have in the dementia locker room?
Sorry, but I don’t get celebrity fanboy references.
You get that one?
Curt resorts to communicating via F bomb, but he doesn’t have the guts to deliver it himself; he has to use an animated gif as an intermediary. What a manly man!
Also: it’s another example of what I referred to a little while ago. Greg questions your use of a gif as a means of making your point, and you lose you lose it.
You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.
Where’d you come up with that?
Well, I just pointed out examples in this thread.
You seem to have forgotten that adults in conversation ask questions of one another in order to learn more detail about particular ideas, where those ideas came from, and how they can be applied to various situations.
You’ve developed the idea that discussion involves putting your ideas out there for others who agree with you to lap up. Asking questions to get more information is now so foreign to you that ridicule it, purely as a knee-jerk reaction.
This might also be related to the fact that you’ve spent your adult life either taking orders unquestioningly or shouting at people to comply. You’ve never really had to deal with people as an adult deals with people.
I encourage you to be a grownup, Curt. It won’t hurt.
That’s just coming out of your own head.
Possibly, but I notice that you are still unable to engage as an adult with someone who disagrees with you.
Where do you get that information?
“From you, all right? I got it from you.”
The very idea of being able to justify your positions in the course of a discussion is entirely foreign to you at this point.
Discussion? That’s rich. Your entire comment history on this blog can be summarized by all your quotes that I’ve thrown back at you.
Still studiously avoiding engaging like an adult.
What would be the purpose of that?
At this point, you don’t even know why people engage with each other as adults.
Ok, signing off for now. Been great fun. I’ll leave you and Greg with this =)
Actually michael, you got nothing from Curt. You interpret what Curt writes and always use you own ideology to think you understand what he says. You do that with everyone here.
You would appear to be at a total loss for any intelligent responses.
This is a intelligent response?
You and Michael are the clownshow of the comments. Gives me great laughs.
greggie, over the years, we all have been waiting for you to actually understand an intelligent response. Most of us have had to reduce our comments to somewhere around the third-grade level hoping you would understand. You never do!.
Russian control of access to the Sea of Azov has been one of Putin’s primary military objectives. The Azov Battalion has made that very costly for him. Next he’ll go for Odessa, in an attempt to deprive Ukraine of all access to the Black Sea.
Greg rooting on his Nazi’s
The Azov Battalion haven’t invaded anyone else’s country—though Putin has now given them good reason to think about it.
Just executing and torturing not only POW’s but their own citizens.
I’m sure the Nazi’s appreciate your support
Putin’s forces—some being hired mercenaries—are committing war crimes in Ukraine on a massive scale. This isn’t accidental. It’s deliberate and premeditated. It’s how Putin hopes to attain his objective.
I don’t condone murder, but killing Putin or his invading troops is as justifiable as killing an armed home invader. This is what Putin and his thugs actually are—homicidal home invaders. They’re demonstrating their murderous intentions on a daily basis. There is no moral justification for their actions.
Good time fort the daily reminder what a hypocrite Greg is
And
Of course he thought Putin’s perception of a growing threat was justified when Obama was in office
And:
Eight years ago, people here took issue with every one of those statements. I acknowledge that I was wrong. Putin IS our greatest geopolitical adversary.