Ed Morrissey @ The Fiscal Times:
With the conventions wrapped, and the presidential race in full swing, voters now have a much clearer idea of how each candidate will run the country – thanks to two previously unheard pieces of audio. Romney wants more people to make more money by lowering the deficit and reducing government spending; Obama wants to play Robin Hood – taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots, thus bloating government and stalling private enterprise growth. Both campaigns have quotes to explain – or perhaps even to press as advantages.
Of course, to listen to the media, Mitt Romney just lost the election for the second week in a row with the release of secretly-taped remarks from a private May fundraiser in Florida. Last week, the media wrote off the Republican nominee for criticizing a statement from the Cairo embassy that Romney claimed “sympathized” with rioters over an offensive YouTube video, rather than standing up for free speech.
Polls showed that voters didn’t share the media’s sense that Romney’s remarks represented the big story as American embassies in the Arab world went up in flames and assassins killed a U.S. ambassador for the first time in 33 years. NBC and The Wall Street Journal found that it was Barack Obama who lost ground on foreign policy in a poll taken a week later, not Mitt Romney, dropping five points overall from the previous month and 12 points among independent voters.
This week, Mother Jones published an edited clip from a Romney fundraising four months earlier, in which Romney discusses the difficulties in beating Obama in November. Romney asserts that 47 percent of the electorate will be a solid lock for Obama, as they have a significant self-interest in perpetuating an entitlement regime – and their own tax status.
“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,” Romney tells his donors. “All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it… These are people who pay no income tax, 47 percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect.”
Instead of worrying about those voters, Romney tells them he will aim for “the five to ten percent in the center,” because “I’ll never convince them [the 47 percent] that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”
Those were tough words, and Romney didn’t just take flak from the left after they were leaked to the media by the grandson of Jimmy Carter. Conservative commentators criticized Romney for assuming that all of the 47 percent are lost to the GOP, and for conflating those who pay no federal income tax and those explicitly on entitlement programs.
Those critics had a point: A Gallup poll released the next day showed that while Romney trailed among low-income voters, he still commands a significant share of the vote among those who pay no federal income tax. He gets 34 percent of the vote from those earning under $24,000, 41 percent of those earning between $24,000 and $36,000. Not all of these people think of themselves as victims, and even Romney responded later by admitting that he’d made the argument “inelegantly.”
That doesn’t mean Romney didn’t intend to make this argument in the general election. On Wednesday, Romney wrote an essay for USA Today presenting his approach on economic growth in a more elegant form. “My course for the American economy will encourage private investment and personal freedom,” Romney pledged. “Instead of creating a web of dependency, I will pursue policies that grow our economy and lift Americans out of poverty.” He acknowledged that government had a role to play in the crisis, but that Obama’s policies had produced “a stagnant economy that fosters government dependency… Unemployment has been above 8 percent for 43 straight months; 47 million Americans are on food stamps. Nearly one in six Americans now live in poverty.”
Romney seems intent on clarifying the economic argument on a broad and philosophical basis, rather than stay content to argue over details. Obama now has the same opportunity. The day after the release of the Romney tape, audio from a 1998 appearance by Obama at Loyola University surfaced in which Obama discussed his support for government redistribution. “I think the trick is how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution,” Obama said, “because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level, to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”
From the original article:
“A Gallup poll released the next day showed that while Romney trailed among low-income voters, he still commands a significant share of the vote among those who pay no federal income tax. He gets 34 percent of the vote from those earning under $24,000, 41 percent of those earning between $24,000 and $36,000.
Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/09/19/Romneys-Victims-vs-Obamas-Cash-Cows.aspx#OGeAxOMsFY5TrYGR.99”
And these voters (specified above) are part of the 47% which Romney wrote off as those that weren’t going to vote for him and could not take responsibility for their own lives, but preferred to remain dependent on the government. What a superlative politician.
I disagree heavily with that assessment, for several reasons.
-One, while Obama discusses redistribution, it is not “from the haves and giving to the have-nots” that he is interested in.
-Two, Obama resembles King John more than Robin Hood, with Holder along as his able-bodied Sheriff of Nottingham, stealing from the people, by way of taxation, to enrich government coffers, and by extension, those he gives preferential treatment to, such as the union management and they who have given him campaign contributions.
-And three, Robin Hood had noble intentions taking back what was thieved from them by King John, in the guise of the government. Obama, by enriching his friends and accomplices, is King John in the flesh, and his intentions are anything BUT noble.
In the story of Robin Hood, his chief reason for practicing his own form of “wealth redistribution” was due to King John taxing the people who lived and worked in the kingdom, into a poor and destitute condition. Robin Hood identified with these people, and sought to combat the tyranny by stealing from the “haves”, or, those nobles and people of high birth that King John favored who were the king’s own local tax collectors. In return, King John allowed them to keep some of the loot they gathered, while they sent the bulk of it on to him.
Robin Hood identified with those people who simply wished to work the land, fend for themselves, and be able to keep what they earned without the heavy burden of taxation King John levied against his “people”.
Again, Obama more closely resembles King John, in this regard, as Obama uses the force of government to confiscate, and demand more, from the citizenry, allowing the government and the people of his choosing to prosper, at the expense of those he takes from.
@liberal1(objectivity):
You are correct, Lib1.
That 1/3rd of the 47% are not philosophically owned by Obama.
I had mentioned that fact at FA before.
Many of those on unemployment and/or food stamps right now cannot wait to get off it.
They were put there by Obama’s failed policies and (just like those gov’s who opposed the stimulus then took the money because that was the new arrangement) they also took the assistance because that is the arrangement.
But they know they will only see light for their own future if Obama is gone and business is allowed to grow again in the USA.
But back to Romney’s point about targeting his scarce advertizing dollars.
Why should Romney spin his wheels trying to reason with the rest of the 2/3rds of that 47% when he can go after the undecideds in the middle to a better effect?
@johngalt:
/Bravo John
@Nan G:
Sorry Nan but I know a number of people like this, they work sparsely so they can live off unemployment, get more than they pay into Federal Taxes, live on EBT and SNAP and they claim that the rich are keeping the poor from getting better. Of course they think great jobs are given to you and not earned while voting for Liberals and talking about Republicans stealing from the poor.
@johngalt:
I certainly agree on this. EC (emptychair) clearly wants to take from those that he disagrees with and give to him and his cronies. Loans to Solyndra a great example, even tho the company went bankrupt, several of EC’s cronies got millions of taxpayer money. I think ‘King John’ is a great description
See, the RIGHT was RIGHT along…OFraud is a SOCIALIST….by HIS OWN ADMISSION…
Romney is Dead on…Tax payers should be furious knowing their hard earned tax dollars are funding such a bloated Government…
I keep talking about Fraud… OFraud is the epicenter of the Fraud that is running rampant in this current Administration….and in this bloated Government…and now, across America!!!
Of course the Liberal Left always has the spin. They spew about nonsense…Hey Libs about the [truly] “Poor”…. it’s not as if they won’t be taken care of!! Liberal idiots….
Liberals…. know Republicans and some Democrats and especially Conservatives are dead on when it comes to handouts….make it too easy then everyone wants a hand out [just because___fill in the blank ] and those who truly need it??? they are getting less…and getting screwed by the fraudsters…
Take away the bird feeder and pay down our debt….
Are there a lot of people deserving of assistance? Of course there is…. that is a given….but why should they ‘get even less’ because there are scammers out there “grossly” taking advantage of the whole system… AND the working tax payer…
TALK about a “War” on the Working “Class” [Taxpayer] OFraud and the Liberals/Progs/Dems are pathetic when it comes to their “Spin”… especially when they themselves ‘know’ the ‘truth’ of the matter…
It IS “Ofrauds” war on the Middle Class….there are a lot more Middle Class then there is wealthy people….so who ‘really’ holds all the wealth??? And who is Obama really going to go after???….Hint: The Middle Class!!!
OBAMA is NOT “for” the Middle Class..he wants to ‘go after’ the Middle Class… OBAMA Is a Liar!!!
Herein is the BIG LIE: Big Government exists only to grow itself.
The lesson of the Colorado River is clear: if you keep diverting some of the river every few miles, at the end there will be no river. In the 16th Century the Colorado emptied into the Gulf of Mexico. Not any more. The Colorado does not even make it to the Salton Sea.
When the Government taxes, a cut of that tax goes to the Government.
And Government cannot “invest”, except in itself. The massive Government spending we see has been used to buy votes. Those whose votes have been purchased vote Democratic.
It is rather like the “public sector Unions”. These are frauds. Public employees do not need unions. Their situation is provided for by elected representatives. They do not need or deserve separate representation. Even FDR acknowledged this.
One cannot tax oneself into wealth, any more than one can lift oneself by one’s own shoelaces.