By Ace

As Julie Kelly wrote recently, this is just a set-up to prosecute the man they really want to imprison, Trump. If the Proud Boys are guilty of “seditious conspiracy,” then anyone who conspired with them is equally guilty. Conspiracy only requires an agreement that some member of the conspiracy commit a crime, not that any part of the conspiracy commit the crime himself.
It doesn’t even require that a crime be committed — conspiracy is the agreement that some member of the conspiracy should commit the crime. Even if the crime is never committed, the conspiracy to commit that crime is still a crime.
They will attempt to claim that Trump’s statement to the Proud Boys, “Stand back and stand by,” was an acknowledgement of the conspiracy and further orders given to the conspirators.
Of the hundreds of video clips used as evidence in the marathon trial of five members of the Proud Boys, prosecutors began closing arguments not with a clip of the defendants engaged in criminal activity but with a clip of Donald Trump.The government showed the jury a portion of the September 2020 presidential debate; goaded by Joe Biden and then-Fox News host Chris Wallace to condemn “white supremacists and militia groups” in an effort to downplay Black Lives Matter and Antifa violence, Trump asked them to “give me a name.” Biden quickly answered, “the Proud Boys.”
“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by,” Trump said in response.
The offhand remark–Trump later said he did not know who the Proud Boys were–made the group “jubilant,” assistant U.S. Attorney Conor Mulroe told the jury on Monday morning. “These defendants saw themselves as Donald Trump’s army, fighting to keep their preferred leader in power no matter what,” Mulroe said, referring to Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Enrique Tarrio, Dominic Pezzola, and Zachary Rehl.
Prosecutors have used the clip at other points during the nearly four-month trial–a not-so-subtle reminder to jurors from a city that voted 93 percent for Joe Biden that the men on trial supported Trump. But the Justice Department may have a more sinister reason to tie the Proud Boys to the former president. Any convictions in this trial would give Special Counsel Jack Smith, an independent prosecutor in name only, justification to pursue similar charges against Trump as a coconspirator of sorts.
In fact, the Proud Boys face three conspiracy counts: seditious conspiracy, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, and a conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties. A conspiracy, according to the government, only requires the agreement of two or more individuals.
Prosecutors insist the conspiracy began on December 19, 2020–a date that should alarm Team Trump. At 1:42 a.m. on December 19, Trump tweeted this: “Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!” According to the Justice Department, that prompted Tarrio and Biggs to formulate plans to “radicalize” the group.
Prosecutors told the jury that no actual agreement was even required to commit the crime of conspiracy– a “wink and a nod” will do, which is how they plan to get Trump.
Which explains why Graves’ prosecutors pulled every dirty trick in the book to ensure convictions. Further, the burden of proof for the conspiracy charges is shockingly low. Consider the instructions given to jurors: “What the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that two or more persons arrived at some type of agreement, including a mutual understanding or meeting of the minds, to try to accomplish a common and unlawful objective.”Mulroe, during his closing, even told the jury a “wink and a nod” represents agreement to join a conspiracy.
Preposterous.
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“[There] was one final chance to keep Trump in power, January 6, 2021, and they knew the importance of that day,” assistant U.S. Attorney Nadia Moore told the jury in her closing pitch on Tuesday afternoon. “These men’s purpose was to illegally keep Trump in power.”
And that will be the crux of Smith’s case against Trump. Guilty verdicts in the most consequential January 6 trial will be the green light the Justice Department has been waiting for to go after him.
So this is 1, a farce, but 2, a very dangerous farce, as it sets a precedent for the prosecution of all future presidents: Joe Biden, obviously, has encouraged antifa and BLM’s riots.
And with much more than a “wink and a nod.”
Why shouldn’t we throw his desiccated ass in prison for the rest of his miserable, brain damaged life?
And once presidents all understand that they will be imprisoned if they ever lose an election — well, say goodbye to elections. No one’s going to give up his life and freedom for the sake of “maintaining our precious normzzz.”
The mob laid siege to the Capitol, broke inside, attacked and beat police officers, tried to hunt down legislators and the Vice President and forced an evacuation, all to stop the Electoral College vote count at Trump’s behest. There were phony electors ready to appear and take the place of the legit ones. It was an effin’ planned insurrection, instigated by Trump and his lunatic tools. Nothing was done do call off the mob until it became clear that the effort had failed, despite repeated pleas from elected officials and White House insiders to do so. Trump kicked it off, and watched it all unfold on television.
You just can’t deal with that reality, even when the facts and evidence repeatedly slap you in the face.
Do you realize how dumb you are?
The surrounding and blockading of a city, town, or fortress by an army attempting to capture it. Is a siege. No one trapped inside, left when asked to go, let in by occupants, no army, lets look up the definition of army you seem quite confused.
A large body of people organized and trained for land warfare.The entire military land forces of a country.A tactical and administrative military unit consisting of a headquarters, two or more corps, and auxiliary forces.
Insurrection
The armed resistance of a number of persons to the power of the state.
You just use language you do not comprehend the definition of. Do you think it makes you sound smart?
Do insurrectionist take out permits?
I know full well that I’m not at all dumb. I know what I heard and saw. No one had to explain it to me. Facts are there to consider, previously laid out in hearings. All of that would be considered in a trial. More sworn testimony would be added, because central figures have testified who previously hadn’t. Pence, for one, who didn’t take the Fifth. With executive privilege already eliminated, he testified all day. Pence was the gear in the plan that refused to turn. He was bound by his oath of office and duty to the Constitution. He’s afflicted with personal ethics. Meadows? He might take the Fifth. He might tell everything he knows.
Call it an insurrection, a conspiracy, a siege, a riot, or whatever you want—it was an unlawful, unconstitutional attempt to retain power, that involved planning, coordination, and violence. We all watched it on television.
Whoa. HUGE assumption, and a grossly flawed one at that. You display no capacity for intelligent independent thought whatsoever. You can only parrot propaganda, like a machine. You have NO evidence whatsoever of a seditious conspiracy and, therefore, there can be no involvement by Trump.
We’ll just call it what it is: BULLSHIT.
It’s now an established fact that the j6 event was a government sponsored false flag to install a dictator into our White House.
Only those serving these traitors would say otherwise.
Nah. The reality is our feds staged a false-flag like we do in other countries, to installed a false regime in the way of Biden. They prevented a legal questioning of the election, and then surrounded it with 21,000 troops.
That’s the reality.
The facts and evidence prove this: The election was rigged, and J6th a false flag.
Covid was released to create chaos so they could do it.
Nothing has ever been so obviously, and factually proven.
If you believe that, you’ve been hypnotized by your own propaganda.
The election officials have yet to prove it wrong, instead they refuse to answer legal subpoenas, destroy evidence, break election and laws intimidate witnesses.
You are a retard that uses improper definitions from retards on TV and looney left wing sites.
There’s no requirement to prove crazy claims wrong. Both logic and the judicial system require that accusations be proven right. I’m not sure if Trump is a knowing liar or completely batshit crazy. Same difference, either way.
According to the Stalin-Mao version of justice you’re correct, comrade.
Well, at least you could STOP PROVING THEM RIGHT.
That wasn’t your stated view when Kavanaugh was being persecuted. You clearly said he had to prove himself innocent. Which is it, scooter?
Democrats incited the January 6th violence.
Wrong hiding all the election data (taxpayers paid for) Kinda like why we have FOIA we get to know what our servants are up to.
It’s just the facts, and nothing more.
The only question is how much longer is this false regime going to last?
It isn’t looking good for them.
I don’t know. Even if Soros’s DAs are being removed, we can count on more communist show trials. In the meantime watch the groomers riot in state capitols while claiming 1/6 was an insurrection. Their lies are never ending.
A storm is coming, prepare.
Yup.
You really think our military is going to go door to door for you fascist scum?
Think again.
I think they follow the orders of their superior officers and the Commander in Chief, in accordance with the oath that they took.
That’s why they hired trannies, and its the legitimate orders you draft dodger. I doubt the military will follow the orders of a traitor and puppet of the communists.
Easy. Greg doesn’t know that we found out who he is…
Shush! For the automated surveillance software monitoring all internet traffic, anonymity is a very useful illusion.
I just wonder sometimes if, in the coming war you want and have helped to commission, if you’re going to actually get your hands dirty.
Are you really going to go door to door for your cause?
I don’t think you have the stones to EVER face off with the patriots who stand up to your antics, giving up your American citizenship, at this point.
Gonna take more than you lying posts to see your plan through to the end.
My only cause is to resist the trend toward corporate and authoritarian domination. AI may soon turn that into a lost cause. Our collective human stupidity will be no match for it. Greed has blinded the huge corporate entities that are frantically pushing its development. We may soon look back and realize everything else was only a fatal distraction.
That is literally all you support when you post here, bub. You’re either in on it, or too stupid to understand you’re a quisling.
“And the devil spoke…”
They are not obligated to follow unconstitutional orders. Remember that as you rely on them to act as the Democrat’s Brownshirts.
And it’s their duty to defy and remove anyone who is breaking that oath, such as the deep state and the dictator they removed.
The man in the video is Trump, who serves the Constitution and honors the oath.
They are serving him, not impostor Biden…who if he wasn’t being protected, would be rotting in jail for rape, among other things.
Clearly you’[ve drunk the kool ID BY THE GALLON. YOUR BRAYING SOUNDS LIKE JOY BEHAR.
Well, let’s see. Pelosi and Bower refuse to reinforce the Capital police, the FBI inserts dozens of assets into the crowd, Ray Epps cheers on and facilitates the rush to the Capital, Capital police, not seeing enough violence, fires onto the peaceful crowd and incites the riot and the left claims “Peacefully go and let your voices heard” is the rallying call for an insurrection. Democrats totally fabricate a “case” for insurrection by suppressing truth and making up “facts”.
Yeah, I’d say great argument exists for a “false flag” operation by seditious Democrats.
Diagnosis of your own propaganda is wearing off on Americans on a daily basis.
I’d be concerned if I were you.
You’re now part of a failed coup, and liable just like the rest.
Does pay you much?
You mean the 14,000 hours do video the Dhimmies hid? Or the five innocent civilians murdered in cold blood by the progressives Stasi? Or the FBIs and government agents who clearly fermented violence.
I’ve heard more convincing arguments from Brandon and Schumer. By the way I love his tranny wife, Schumer is a true queer.
There was no violence before the Capital Police opened fire on the peaceful protesters. Was this part of the Democrat plan, along with providing insufficient security and planting FBI assets within the crowd to goad them on? Yeah, it was a “planned insurrection”, but Democrats planned and executed it. That is the real reality, scooter. Deal with it.
When will they start trials against Antifa and BLM? when will Clinton(Bill)and Obama be tried for Treason? And Biden as well? Were seeing a Witch Hunt by the DNC/CFR/UN/Globalists with Gate and Soros behind it all
Spur, ok first no drinking anything when you read this…
Kamala Harris Named ‘AI Czar’ to Save Us from Artificial Intelligence
I didnt want your beverage coming out of your nose.
Wouldn’t you love to see the looks on the faces of the technicians, programmers and scientists gathered the first time Kamala the Whore opens her mouth and starts talking and cackling?
They might look at her as a patient. “Dammit Brandon Im a programmer not a miracle worker.”
troll alert
Sockpuppet?
Yup…same ole unhinged stalker.
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1654218466868572162?t=XuSBpmrIFAZtlFOWX1GO1A&s=19
“Sedition” with no plan. That’s got to be a first.
That’s more of a jury CESSpool.
What’s the point of having a trial if it doesn’t satisfy the Democrat political needs? Cmon, man!
Exculpatory evidence was not allowed and the legal definition of seditious conspiracy was so distorted it has no relation to law. Garland got a headline.
Anyone who still thinks this was an “insurrection” is an idiot at this point. We know the fbi was involved in a set up.
Garland is a punk and a disgrace.
The proud boys and the rest of the J6 political prisoners are the examples of what will happen to those who dare question the power structure.
The communist radicals that protest illegally around the homes of the SCOTUS jurists sends the message that the mobs will be unleashed upon those who rule unfavorably to the power structure.
The handpicked juries will always side in favor of the power structure.
Welcome to the banana republic of America.
https://twitter.com/suejeanne/status/1404594834153775104?s=20
They still have nothing to prosecute Trump on but “Peacefully go and make your voices heard”. Of course, the left doesn’t actually recognize due process and justice as actually existing.
How Corrupt Is Our Current Situation? It’s Worse Than Most Can Fathom…
But they can’t find who has been fire-bombing pregnancy centers because the terrorists attack at night. Seems if their heart was in it, they could find the perpetrators as well as identifying and imprisoning ANTIFA terrorists. Clearly, they only pursue political missions.
The pipe bomber in DC never found.
They probably found him. They SENT him.
They will only find people who will fit their created crimes. Those who commit real crimes are excused re antifa and blm
Soros and Bragg will send you to prison for defending your store or home from criminals its that way under Tyranny
So, hinging on the “Stand down and stand by” remark, the left postulates that Trump already planned to lose the election and then, on January 6th, 2020, to launch an unarmed insurrection to overturn the election and overwhelm the full might of the United States of America. Yeah… that sounds rational. At least Trump didn’t set up a bail fund for “his insurrectionists”, like the left did for BLM/ANTIFA terrorists and which Kamala the Whore openly supported.
Sure, no crime needs to be committed. No actual words spoken. Nothing communicated at all. The leftist prosecution can just make up what they need and, through threat and intimidation, produce the “witnesses” to back it up. Much like the “quid pro quo” impeachment, nothing but rumor, innuendo and hearsay is necessary to back up the Democrats false and phony allegations. They must all have a picture of Hitler and Beria hanging in their living rooms.
And prosecute Obama for supporting the Occupy Wall Street riots. He stated he “understood” why they rioted and never took actions to stop or displace them. Their intent was to destroy capitalism; if that ain’t sedition, I don’t know what is (and apparently I don’t because I see none in those the Democrats accuse).
Well, to be clear, this only applies to non-Democrat candidates. No matter how much violence Democrats encourage, incite and forgive, they’ll never, under this regime, be held accountable.
SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY IS NOT A REAL CRIME
05/08/2023Ryan McMaken
Eighteen years, for seditious conspiracy…