#Occupy Seattle Break Into Capitol Bldg, Lock Doors & Spit On Cops from the Rooftop

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Yup. They’re just exactly like the tea party.

Occupy Seattle broke into an empty building on Friday night in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood. A police SWAT team cleared the building about 4 a.m. Sixteen people were arrested and booked into King County jail. The building was slated for demolition. (Capitol Hill Blog)

The Seattle police arrested 16 Occupy Seattle goons after they broke into a locked Capitol Hill neighborhood Building, held a concert, locked the doors and spit on police from the rooftop.
KOMO News reported, via Orbusmax:

Police arrested 16 Occupy Seattle protesters early Saturday after the protesters broke into a locked Capitol Hill building, barricaded themselves inside and refused to leave.

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Isn’t spitting on someone considered assault and when the spit hits someone, isn’t that battery?

If the spotters have diseases, that could become even more serious.

The horror . . . The horror . . .

Is randomly blasting people with pepper spray, rubber bullets, or tear gas canisters considered battery, or are police actions always automatically excluded from the legal definition?

The occupiers were/are breaking the law. The police, are required to follow orders and support laws. They are highly trained in the law (I work as a training manager for the local government and follow this).Rubber bullets and pepper spray are commonly used to break up mobs. What would you prefer? Squirt guns and candy bars? Maybe you prefer the methods used in the Middle East for crowd control. Iran has a few techniques that disburses crowds quickly. Dead people don’t spit.
Just curious, have you ever been to a third world country? You may want to check out the garden spots of Djuboti or Somalia before Condemning the police in the US.
These mobs do not follow rules, are not trained and know that their spit can contain communicable diseases.
You may want to do a bit more research before jumping on the police.
They have a tough job to do.
Just curious, what do you do for employment?

Greg,
Don’t bother responding unless you can answer my questions :
1. Have you been to any of third world countries?
2. what do yu do for employment?
3. Would you prefer that thevpolicevuse squirt guns and candy bars for law enforcement?
4.why is it acceptable to invade someone’s property?
And finally…
5. Who would you call if someone raped your wife or daughter? An occupiervor the police?
Waiting for your comments.

@Helene:
I do believe that spitting on someone if you have HIV is assault with a deadly weapon.
(Maybe it is if you have TB.)
Whichever, the one spat on must undergo testing and take nasty meds for several weeks just to try to not catch the disease.

In general, I’m not critical of the police. They’re among the nation’s most important public employees. I am critical of how they’ve being utilized to suppress public protest, and the unnecessarily excessive degree of force that seems to have been indiscriminately applied in many instances. In many cases, the police probably haven’t made the decision to do such things themselves.

What’s going on here is an effort to work up outrage against the people you disapprove of. It’s also important to build animosity between the police and the protesters. You certainly wouldn’t want the police sympathizing with any of the concerns of the Occupiers, would you? Though you won’t admit it, you must realize that the Occupy protests are actually about something. No doubt you realized what could have happened this past year up in Wisconsin, when the police and fire departments weren’t bought off by the governor’s exemptions. These events are all somehow connected, aren’t they?

@Greg:

Gotta love the police!

Here’s a tidbit from the Santa Cruz Police Department blog
This is the Chief of Police, BTW:

On late Saturday night, after over 72 hours of difficult negotiations, Occupy Santa Cruz ended their takeover of a vacant bank building at 75 River Street.

Our goal was to have a peaceful resolution to this illegal and unproductive action and we were successful in that endeavor.

Thankfully, the group was able to show the maturity that had been lacking in the first three days of the takeover.

It is our intent to work with the District Attorney’s Office to identify those that are responsible and hold them accountable for the trespass.

In addition, we will be reviewing the costs associated with the takeover to see if there is any way we can recoup some of the public funds that were spent during the last few days.

Clearly, as chief, I would prefer our resources be dedicated to more pressing issues than people that blatantly disregard reason, property rights and common sense.

I can’t make it clearer that no one has a First Amendment right to break into someone’s property, commit acts of felony vandalism and ignore the law.

Their actions were senseless and childish and diverted our limited resources.

In addition, it placed our officers in needless danger; something that I find completely unbelievable.

We had worked hard to develop a Plan B to protect people and property and were fortunate that we were able to end this through the skilled work of our negotiators.

It was difficult, especially given the lack of a central figure in the group to negotiate and their initial greeting of expletives and slurs about police; not exactly the best basis for friendly negotiation.

Within hours, they stopped answering phone calls on the cell phone we provided and continually provided us with unreasonable desires and no time horizon for vacating a space they had no right to be in.

THE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT AND DISREGARD FOR THE LAW IS APPALLING.

To say the least, it detracts from whatever their initial message was to have such an escalation of action.

Some were quoted in media outlets showing their willingness to be arrested and their lack of interest in negotiation.

Others were shown harassing the media or police that were there to speak to them.

NO LONGER CAN WE TRUST THAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE PURELY POLITICAL PROTEST OR REASONABLY PROTECTED FIRST AMENDMENT ACTIONS.

We witnessed anarchists, like those involved in the May Day riots, openly participating in the initial takeover and saw some quoted that were willing to face any sort of police action in order to defend their “right” to illegal takeover of the building.

Love this guy!

Greg:
police being used to suppress protests? Their job is to enforce laws. Police would probably haven’t made the decisions themselves? Police have standards to follow. Are trained in these. Would you prefer that the police being spit on just turn the other cheek or defend themselves?
What would you do if you were threatened while doing your job? Has that ever happened to you? It has to me.
How many police officers do you personally know? Noticed that you did not answer my questions…. Wonder why.

@Helene, #8:

Noticed that you did not answer my questions…. Wonder why.

What’s to wonder about?

1. Yes. I fought in a war in one third-world country, and have visited others.

2. I’m a genre fiction writer. It’s very unlikely that anyone here would recognize my name. I have enough money now to be able to afford doing work that I actually enjoy for a change, even though it doesn’t pay so much. For whatever it’s worth, I don’t owe anyone a nickel, have never drawn an unemployment check, have never been on food stamps, have health insurance, and haven’t gone a year without paying federal and state taxes since I graduate from college. There will most likely be no such year in the future, unless the entire financial system goes down the tube.

3. I prefer that the police use only as much force as is absolutely necessary. Sitting quietly on the sidewalk and refusing to move doesn’t warrant pepper spray in the face. Its use isn’t warranted unless a person is becoming aggressive. Using it to induce compliance in other situations is unacceptable. It is a potentially lethal chemical agent. People rarely but occasionally die from it. Its carcinogenic properties and neurotoxicity have been documented.

4. Do you believe that the public should be prevented from demonstrating on public property? This seems to me like a basic, Constitutionally protected right. Sorry about the inconvenience, but sometimes that’s the only way to make the powers that be listen. Private property is a different matter.

5. This is an absurdly out-of-context question. What does it have to do with anything under discussion here?

See? Very dull answers. I’m sure I could make up far more interesting ones.

@Greg:

Greg, that was very interesting.
My interest was peaked by your writing of fiction.
I have loved to read fiction since I was small.
I like almost every sort from alternate histories, to science fiction, detective and mystery stories even the fantasy stuff (some of it).
Do you use your own name or a nom de plume?
I would happily read anything you’ve written.
Just point me in the direction.

If you’ve been to third world countries, and foughtnin a war, then you must realive that pepper spray (not mace) is very mild in comparison to the damage caused by war weapons. I’ve never heard /read anywhere that a single application of pepper spraybwould cause cancer. I also asked about third world countries because this behavior of the occuoierscwould never be tolerated in those countries. The protectors would be mowed down. Your experience in third world countries should also flag you to the amazingly dangerousband unsanitary conditions these occupiers created.

I asked if you knew any police because you do not seem to have any understanding of them or the jobs they do. By the way, cops are pepper sprayed as part ofbtheir training.

If the occupiers were following citybordinances they would have permits and follow the rules. Blocking passage on public land, steeling electricity from the city, fire marshall regulaions, and not following basic sanitation requirements (porta potties)

The questions are relevant to putting your views in perspective. Background.

Greg,
I do realize what happened when the police weren’t bought off, as you call it, during the protests in Wisconsin. They did not do their job for three plus weeks and allowed people to sleep over night in the capitol and trash the place.
All the clean up costs, repair costs, overtime costs for security, Madison schools shut down for 4 days etc etc were paid for with the taxpayers dime by people like myself who go to work every day like I am getting paid to do.
Honestly, it wasn’t much more than a parade of spoiled brats who didn’t get their way and the stupidity continues on with the endless and mindless recalls we are facing.
Once again who will bear the cost? The taxpayers of Wisconsin will get to shell out 7 digit money at the state and local level just to verify all of these wonderful signatures and carry out more recall elections.

You should come up and stay a while to see what is “really” going on up here. They would love a guy like you in the Peoples Republic of Madison.
Be warned though, if you aren’t a fan of cold weather, you really won’t like the next 4 months very much.

GREG
on your 2
wait till they spit in your face, while they rob you,
you will love the police coming in to protect you.

@Nan G, #10:

I much appreciate that, but remaining anonymous online is the only way that writers can effectively separate public attitudes about political views from public attitudes about their creative work. My stories are non-political, but views could probably be read into them.

The OWS should thank the police for getting them out of the building, a few demo crews might have forgotten to check for any vagrants in the building before controlled tear down.