Don’t get so caught up debating the granular issues over ‘muh Russia’ that you fail to elevate and see the landscape from the 30,000 ft. level. The Rosenstein/Mueller move today is all about protecting the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) from President Trump (declassification threats); and it was specifically scheduled, timed, to be launched today as Trump leaves for the G20 to achieve maximum political damage.
Michael Cohen pleads guilty today (full pdf below) to lying in written testimony to the SSCI:
(WaPo) […] Cohen admitted as a part of his plea that he lied in part to “minimize links” between the Moscow project and Trump, and in hopes of limiting ongoing probes into ties between Russia and the Trump campaign. Prosecutors said in court documents that he discussed efforts to obtain Russian government funding for the project as late as June 2016 and discussed the status and progress with Trump more than he had previously told congressional investigators. (more)
This power-move by Mueller and Rosenstein (the small-group teams within the construct and not just the individuals), is another move with a similar motivation to the plea agreement over SSCI security director, James Wolfe. Whitaker is powerless to stop it. Rosenstein and Mueller are protecting their allies in the most corrupt committee in DC.
The Cohen guilty plea to false congressional testimony developed from a criminal referral Democratic Sen. Mark Warner sent to Mueller. So there you go
— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) November 29, 2018
Remember, those SSCI Senators (Vice-Chair Mark Warner, Dianne Feinstein and senior staffer Dan Jones etc.) were coordinating with Fusion GPS and the Clinton campaign allies; and were direct participants in “Spygate” and the insurance policy known as the special counsel.
This is one of the reasons why it is likely, damned near certain, that senior SSCI senators instructed James Wolfe to leak information, including the March 17th copy of the Carter Page FISA application, and that is why Rosenstein and Mueller let James Wolfe plea to a much lesser one-count crime of lying.
Remember when SSCI senator Dianne Feinstein released the transcript of Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson’s testimony so that all of downstream participants could coordinate their stories? Oh, how quickly we forget.
It is near certain that Feinstein gave up her Senate Intelligence Vice-Chair position following the 2016 presidential election because there was an inherent political risk for any intelligence-oversight Democrat in relation to the FBI’s Trump operation, “spygate”. Feinstein’s staffer, Dan Jones, then paid Fusion-GPS $50 million to continue the efforts.
So, the “confession” isn’t that Trump lied about anything. It’s that Cohen lied. But, the question is, WHEN did he lie? Did he lie when he was under oath before the Senate panel or when Mueller told him he’d get off light if he lies now?
If perjury by past liberals; Hillary, Brennan, Comey, Clapper, McCabe, Ohr, Strzok… is any indication, lying under oath is perfectly legal. Will Cohen’s penalty for lying to the SSCI be as harsh as theirs? Twice as harsh? One hundred times as harsh? That will be significant for, if he draws a stiff penalty, this might all be on the up and up. However, if he skates with nothing or, say, 14 days in jail, this COULD be a setup.
This nation is facing a serious threat from the left.
Looks like ole Muellier’s can of beans are ready to finally spill.
Oh, and then comes Jan 3rd.
Kinda makes you wonder if the scales will finally fall from the eyes of the Trump licker and they’ll suddenly see what people of reasonable intellect have been telling them all along.
@Ajay42302: Let’s see… is this about the 2,179th time his can of beans were about to spill? Or is it 2,180?
There is no wonder if lying, pouting, sore loser, crybaby butt-hurt liberals will ever accept facts… you won’t. You are incapable.
@Deplorable Me:
Not sure about that 2,179 thing but que sera sera.
Just for funnies and no, you’re not expected to answer or acknowledge, but how many indictments have come so far from the Mueller investigation? How many guilty pleas? How many convictions? How many plea bargains?
Now in contrast, how many of those compared to, say, the Benghazi investigation sham? Hillary’s emails? You name your own Party of Trump investigation?
Another interesting fact (and again, you’re not expected to admit to) but both Watergate and Reagan’s Iran Contra investigations spanned over 6 to 7 years. How many indictment, convictions, et al came from them (no answer expected)? Yet, they continue to haunt the GOP (at least in the real world).
The stench from the Mueller beans will be strong and it will linger.
And again, after 01/03/2019, Trump won’t have a compliant Lower Chamber to scoop his mega-turds under the carpet for him.
@Ajay42302: The question is, how many have had anything to do with Trump or Russian collusion? Zero? Less than zero?
As to Hillary and Obama, I guess there is a distinct benefit to having a Holder, Lynch or Comey on your team, huh? Would you say writing the exoneration of Hillary before the investigation even started might imply a slight taint in the process? But, if you find comfort in such as that, I guess I understand. Liberal and all.
Not a single charge that ties Trump to any form of Russian election tampering, not a single charge of any indicted or that have plead guilty has a thing to do with the election of 2016.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=whers+the+beef&view=detail&mid=2F00CE63FDA1519026F22F00CE63FDA1519026F2&FORM=VIRE
@Deplorable Me:
You can continue to believe that all you like and you can continue to determine in your mind what the question is or, what question(s) have or have not been addressed-or had anything to do with what.
The walls are closing in on Saint Donald my friend. And if that ain’t enough, Nancy P and the Dems are coming very very soon.
Que sera sera.
@Ajay42302:
Oh… well, what were we talking about? Just random indictments or an investigation into whether or not Trump colluded with Russians to turn the election in his favor? You know…. what the bogus investigation is supposed to be about?
YOU can continue to believe a conviction of a crime that may or may not have occurred ten years ago has something to do with Trump and that means “the walls are closing in” but the argument on who is delusional and duped and who is not is another one totally.
I don’t, of course, expect an answer, that liberal aversion to admitting truths and all, but don’t you think a year of surveillance by Obama would have turned up SOMETHING if Trump is so overtly corrupt and dirty? Or, did they just “miss” it?
@Deplorable Me:
With the understanding that I’d have better results teaching advanced calculus to a tree frog, I’ll play along.
Your assumption and insistence he isn’t is corrupt or dirty is the key difference. Corruption and evilness is in Trump’s DNA. It’s who he is. It’s in his admiration of dictators, thugs, and murderers. It’s telling in his endorsements of pedophiles and folks wanting a front role seat to lynchings, in his beliefs of good Nazis. It’s in his protection of wife beaters, rapist, thugs, and his disdain of the underdog. It’s in his corrupt appointments such as Alexander Acosta who now appears to have protected a child sex selling ring or in Tom Price who needs no elaborating on or Steven Mnuchin who is mired in Wall Street scandals or Wilbur Ross or Thomas Farr or on and on and on. Trump’s White House has been a carnival of corruption, white supremist, and scandal infestation.. If he’s corrupt??? It’s Trump University 101.
But this isn’t something Trump has become but rather who he is. He admitted during the debates that stealing working American’s money was “good business”. He spent his life mastering the ability to manipulate the steal from others and he’s never been shy about cheating to win-at any cost. He’s lived his life surrounded by mafia figures and has built his empower by stealing and cheating.
Any of that make him a Russian colluder? No. But every page you turn of the vagina grabbing, serial lying, life long con man’s book gets uglier and uglier. And soon he will not have the compliance of a passive Congress to hide that book.
You might spin part of that but bottom line, Trump is a life long thug and thief. Being POTUS hasn’t changed that. There’s no telling what this filth has done as he has no shame, and never has. Beans will spill and his GOP House protectors are gone.
@Ajay42302:
I know it’s like a cross to a vampire, but innocent until PROVEN guilty is still a thing in the US. You have evidence? You have reasonable suspicion? Investigate it. It’s been investigated for over two years, with an additional year of illegal surveillance and you’ve found NOTHING? Might be best to let it go.
OK, I’m nuts… I learn nothing from past experiences, but tell me, what is your proof?
OK, the rest is tiresome. Your retreaded lies. No doubt you won’t address the questions before you here, much less those of the past, so I’ll stop here.
You know, AJ, you represent what is the absolute worst in this country.
@Deplorable Me:
I understand the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. I think that mainly pertains to a court of law-which is that can of beans I speak of, and now with a Congress not hellbent on protecting him, may actually produce.
You have a history of denying proof (as most trump lickers do) and whatever links or evidence I provide, you will again ignore. You can’t even acknowledge that there’s a national argument pertaining to Trump’s racism.
But regardless of “proof”, there’s a common perception people have of others based on the way they conduct themselves, their demeanor, their reputation, circumstantial realities. For example (note-EXAMPLE, not an accusation of Trump), if a neighbor who regularly comes home driving erratically, staggers into his house, there’s a sound of dishes breaking, the arrival of police, and battered woman and kids comes out crying, one can assume that the guy is pretty much a piece of shit.
Trump is a piece of shit in every manner. He’s a serial lying con man, a bully that defends those rich and strong yet preys on the weak, a man that openly bragged of stiffing contractors and workers out of their money for a job well done as “good business”, a man who coddles ruthless dictators and murders and puts them above his own country’s interests, a man who placed unneeded suffering on families and children for political gain, even using our military as a political ploy, the scum I listed that he’s appointed, the scum who he’s surrounded himself by, the constant lies put out by his staff, his assault on the free press, on the Constitution, the very adulterous, swindling, cheating piece of shit that he is.
And even if you want to downplay or deny any or all of the above, the man is scum in every fashion, a low life piece of shit.
But again, looks like there’s going to be a lot of ugly coming out of these investigations. Perhaps that’s because Trump is such an ugly person.
Wed’ll see.
@Ajay42302: What is the argument against declassification?
@Ajay42302: It’s always fun to see the type of moron Trump has saved us from.
No facts. No intellect. Just childish rants free of anything resembling mature thought.
It’s a shame idiots like this Ajay turd are allowed to vote. The whole Democratic Party strategy: exploit the dumb.
@Ajay42302:
No, actually you don’t, which you demonstrate time and time again. It does not apply only to courts; it applies to people who respect facts. For instance, even before all of the left’s accusations against Kavanuagh were proven false and purely politically motivated, he was (or should have been) presumed innocent. As it turned out, it would have saved liberals a lot of embarrassment (for the 6 liberals that have a conscience) when all the liberal lies were exposed, but the the left doesn’t let being proven a liar bother them too much… as you well know.
Just because you say something or provide a link does not make your accusation valid. You’ve NEVER proved any of your points… the rare moments you take the effort. Still waiting for that valid proof of Trump’s racism.
Speaking of racism, do you think Hillary joking that all blacks look alike was racist? Just sort of a gauge of whether or not you actually KNOW what racism actually is.
Since you were just asked to provide some proof of those accusations, and didn’t (as is your MO) these all go into the category of “the opinions of a racist liberal ideologue who routinely lies, denies facts and never provides support for his opinions”. In other words, less than worthless.
Obviously, you preferred Hillary (a true racist, as shown above) , who sold US uranium for her own personal profit, sacrificed 4 brave Americans on the altar of her incompetence, completely disregarded national security and made all State Department classified information available to our enemies, lied about it to Congress and protects a sexual predator. So, as you can see, your warped vision of “right and wrong” is really, really less than credible.
@kitt:
Their argument is that it would reveal the truth and that is like throwing water on a witch (hunt).
@Nathan Blue: He is a Soros troll who, despite what he says (he lies as a religious rite) NEVER produces a shred of evidence to support any of his points. He has sold his soul to Soros and willingly lies and then scurries off from his lies, like a roach when the light is turned on.
@Deplorable Me:
Ok now you have been watching too many Finding Bigfoot reruns, sure these yahoos go spend time in the sticks, telling us all about its habitat what they prefer for food ect ect. Cant so much catch one on a game cam, oh because bigfoot is reallly camera shy. Six of them is that isnt even a viable breeding population number. I have heard that Hillary smells like the legendary skunk ape of the everglades but that is still no proof of having a conscience.
@Deplorable Me: I just don’t know what people like that, or the people that hire them, don’t understand: their rants only help their “enemies”, not anything else.
The thought is Dem/Libs are just angry white men stuck in a movement that played out 30 years ago, and still think they are fighting for “rights”. Instead, they are just hate-mongers bent on stealing the voice of those they’ve been programed to hate.
As Teflon Don woulds say, “That’s sad….”
@Nathan Blue:
One thing consistent about the FA crowd and that’s the spin. dodging, and general cowardliness. You don’t deny that Trump has surrounded himself with the worse of the worse (spouse beaters, protectors of child sex ring pimps, mega money launders, white supremacist (which perhaps, you might view as a good thing?), has endorsed pedophiles, lynching promoters, has admitted to be an advocate of wage their, or the many other hideous acts and mentalities that contrast with that of decency. You can’t because it’s just to blatant and open. We all know it’s true.
So here’s my point and getting back to Bill (or, whoever it was that played that character at that time) and the concept of “proven guilty”. Assume you had a neighbor that had been accused over the last 20 years of multiple molestation of young boys (again, not making this exact charge of Trump-just an example) and let’s say that he’s even been charged a few time but just never “convicted”.
Is he guilty? No. Should he go to jail? Unfortunately, no as he hasn’t been proven guilty. But I guess the question might be would you feel comfortable having this guy babysit your 9 year old son? Particularly, if he’d spent all morning at a gay bar or book store reading gay porn? And feeling “comfortable” is a bit charitable. Would you even allow it?
Trump just endorsed a candidate and that Rs elected that openly endorsed making voting for Democrats more difficult. She didn’t even try to hide it.
What’s truly a shame is people like you and Curt and Dr John etc abetting every evil and despicable act this piece of shit of a president presents.
It’s almost like a few neighbors coming out to defend or distract from the child molester after another victim makes a report.
@Ajay42302: Such racism and stupidity. Still will not address a question. Utter cowardice. Your argument is idiotic.
An individual can make a personal decision based on anything he wants; it’s his personal decision and it affects him. However, deciding to impeach someone, launch a national liberal media attack or accuse a judge of sex crimes and ruin his career, family and life should require PROOF of guilt. Otherwise, they are innocent.
You have provide ample proof that you are a liar, a bigot, a racist and a coward.
@Deplorable Me:
“But, but, but, buuhhht, dems were just not so nice to Kavanaugh (R), so there!!!!!!!!!”
Funny thing. Perjury is still a crime (pending conviction of course) so expect for Dems to investigate Kavanaugh (R) as well.
The list of lying, theft, money laundering, sex trade, Putin payoffs, and on and on is endless. Man oh man how the beans will spill, with no corporately owned Republican House to sweep them under the rug!
I can hear the FA response now.
“But, but, buuhhhhhttttt………………………………..”
@Ajay42302:
Is it? Seems Hillary, Comey, Ohr, Strzok, Brennan, Clapper, Holder, Lerner and Koskinen prove it’s perfectly legal. Oh, wait… those are all liberals and laws don’t apply to liberals, do they?
Funny you think taking unsubstantiated accusations against a man, holding them to the last minute, exposing them and using them to try to personally destroy someone (while avoiding an actual investigation of the charges) and, even after all the “witnesses” and “evidence” has been proven fabricated and maliciously false still supporting the lies as “not so nice”. But, what other reaction would squeal out of a perpetual liar that relies solely on lies to form an opinion?
And by endless, you of course mean it has no beginning. Otherwise, you would provide proof, which as a cowardly liar, you won’t.
A year of illegal surveillance. Two years and $30 million of taxpayer money of an “investigation”. 95% if the corrupt liberal propaganda industry media looking EVERYWHERE for something to use against him. Between you and Mueller and every other sore loser whiny liberal, what is the evidence Trump has done ANYTHING wrong? Come on; don’t hide behind your gutlessness just this once.
@Ajay42302: Uh, I’ll just say your assessment of isn’t something one can actually discuss. You have no rational argument to sidestep.
So, yeah…no reason to “debate” your emotional opinions. You’ll see what you want to see, what you’ve been duped into seeing. Or you’re paid to flood sites like this with garbage. Either way, you just serve to help Trump and his supporters.
Funny to watch you try to make a cogent argument. You just can’t do it.
I don’t believe the country should be taken over by the more corrupt of the two parties just because they can accuse their political enemies of rape/racism/russia with no basis, using this tactic to take down people and continue to exploit rubes like you.
There’s another half the country beyond SNL crowd. I like to call them “The Majority”.
The majority voted Trump in. Get over it.
You’ve never offered any argument here beyond hate. Go get a job.
The question is why would Cohen lie about something that wasnt illegal. He is an attorney he knew preliminary negotiations to build a hotel in Moscow was not illegal in any way. NDAs not illegal, Perhaps some things in his own personal business or his wife were not legal. That doesnt link Russian collusion with the president, nothing so far connects Russian tampering in the election to Trump. Now if Mueller could find something he could use to blackmail Trump to end an investigation on why Mueller snuffed the investigation on uranium one. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration They cant impeach they do not have the numbers. We did not need a 40 million dollar investigation to only find out Trump builds Hotels. What was found in Anthony Weiners laptop? Seems there are still 28,000 missing emails, in the few thousand they did find there were a few more with classified information. I find Solomans article on additional spies infiltrating or attempting to infiltrate the campaign interesting, everything leads back to the Clinton/Obama cabal. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/419193-trump-russia-and-lessons-from-the-mob-did-godfathers-steer-collusion
If this Mueller report that we hear about comes back empty and all he was doing was punishing anyone that remotely assisted Trump win. Then what?
@Nathan Blue:
They aren’t even EMOTIONAL opinions; they are off-the-shelf opinions, provided for him by propagandists that have him on their useful idiot list.
@kitt: Then again, isn’t it fun to watch liberals get all excited, praise the “bombshell” and “final nail” of each subsequent announcement and leak, just to watch them evaporate away?
Cohen is complaining that he is doing all the suffering while Trump is not suffering and penalty at all. Well, what did Trump do wrong? What would he be penalized for? Cohen had his request for a reduction in sentence in return for his lying. I guess he should have made that deal before his lies were used, huh?
@Deplorable Me: Sean Hannity was suppose to have the MOAB drops last night hyped all day, only to have Fox cancel and put in another Tribute to Bush.
Seems the Creep Porn Lawyer has ripped off the Strippers go fund me tips, alas no honor among thieves.
So nice that they keep us so entertained with the sideshow freaks, iron clad proofs “we got him now” they wave furiously until questioned , the come back, sure but Trump is a liar and a criminal, ya a criminal thats my story and I’m sticking to it!
Q:What crimes?
A;Well you are just stupid to not know.
Q:So can you enlighten me?
A:Shuddup Racist just shuddup sock puppet, Trump licker
Wow you need a job with CNN you have connected all the dots.
Certain Trolls have become sort of tedious, not even close to being good at trolling.
Yes Cohen is suffering, so sad, secretly recording clients, booo hooo for him.
@kitt: Stormy has to pay $341,000 in court costs. She’s probably afraid to ask Avenatti for the money for fear he will punch her in the face.
@Deplorable Me: How horrible to live your life as a meme, political cartoon, or a porn movie story line.
December 12, 2018 — Cohen gets 3 years, says Trump’s ‘dirty deeds’ led him to ‘choose darkness’
@Greg: Should have given him the full sentence.
@Deplorable Me: Why is declassification a threat? What is it about the truth that they are allergic to?
@kitt: It’s simply. Everything the Democrats are accusing is based on lies. Declassification will expose those lies.
Going through the motions of initiating the declassification of something that one knows cannot be declassified is a ruse. It allows a person to assert that there’s proof of an accusation or allegation they’re making, and then claim that the nonexistent proof is being withheld by their opponents. The ploy is part of a liar’s toolkit.
@Greg: What cannot be declassified? Don’t worry, you’ll see them declassified.
Oh. Like the Mueller investigation into Russian collusion, right?
Many things cannot be safely declassified. For example, sources of information vital to national security that would be endangered or become useless if compromised.
Most likely Trump will eventually be making the other side of the declassification argument, as he tries to keep Mueller’s conclusions and supporting evidence under wraps. He might as well try to sweep back the rising tide with a broom.
@Greg: As you probably knew, I meant in the context of these FISA requests which were based on lies. Also the Comey emails. Whatever exposes this coup against the government of the United States.
Yeah, that’s why he’s been calling for the report to be delivered… because he wants to suppress. Again… use some common sense, if it exists.
@Greg:
When was that a prioriy to Democrats? Chinese spies as drivers, no border walls, classified information funneled to the China in real time by a certain former SOS, Obama communicating to SOS by email through unsecured server. Pakis having access to congressional IT systems,
How many times were systems hacked by the China and other adversarial countries and not secured afterward? Why are computer chips from China in our defense systems and weaponry? Supporting Russian version of silicon Valley now you were saying declassification would put national security at risk, seriously.