Jack Smith Drops Filing That Vows to Prove that Trump Urged Violence, but There Are Some Problems With It

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By Jeff Charles

Special counsel Jack Smith on Tuesday made a court filing against former President Donald Trump outlining his intention to prove a series of allegations against him. The filing presents a narrative of Trump supposedly inciting violence, among other accusations, and delves into Trump’s conduct after the 2020 presidential election. Smith details some of the evidence he will be introducing to prosecute the former president, and if this filing is any indication, the case for proving he encouraged violence appears to be pretty thin.

The document delves into various aspects of the former president’s conduct and highlights specific actions that Smith’s team seems to believe were inciting. Of particular interest to Smith’s team is Trump’s supposed pattern of using public statements and social media to prompt violent action.

The defendant has an established pattern of using public statements and social media posts to subject his perceived adversaries to threats and harassment… including the defendant’s public endorsement and encouragement of violence.

The idea is that Trump’s behavior isn’t just heated rhetoric, Smith’s team seems to believe they can prove that it translated into real-world threats and harassment.

As an example, the document attempts to tie Trump to alleged extremist groups, using the presidential debate in September 2020. When the former president was asked to denounce the Proud Boys, a group that has been accused of engaging in political violence, Trump’s response was to tell them to “stand back and stand by.” The state is attempting to portray this statement as an expression of support and an order to hold off on violence until a later time.

“Members of the group embraced the defendant’s words as an endorsement and printed merchandise with them as a rallying cry,” the filing claims.

The prosecution also accuses Trump of continuing to target individuals even after knowing his claims that the 2020 election was stolen could lead to violent outcomes. It cites the case of two Georgia election workers who were subjected to “vile racist and violent threats and harassment,” due to Trump’s accusations of election fraud.

Even further, Smiths’ team is set to present evidence showing that Trump’s support for those arrested for J6 shows that he supported the violence at the Capitol building. The document cites his public comments about the J6ers after the riot as evidence that he supported their actions.

“Evidence of the defendant’s post-conspiracy embrace of particularly violent and notorious rioters is admissible to establish the defendant’s motive and intent on January 6,” according to the filing.

Smith’s filing attempts to portray Trump as a sort of mastermind who orchestrated the J6 riot while also using mafioso tactics to prevent people from contradicting his claims about the election.

The Government will introduce such evidence to further establish the defendant and his co-conspirators’ plan of silencing and intent to silence those who spoke out against the defendant’s false election fraud claims”; the defendant’s knowledge that his public attacks on officials—like those on his Vice President as described in the indictment—could foreseeably lead to threats, harassment, and violence; and the defendant’s repeated choice to attack individuals with full knowledge of this effect.

In addition to the allegations that Trump incited violence, Smith’s filing highlights a series of other allegations, particularly related to the former president’s pattern of claiming election fraud. “As set forth in the indictment the defendant’s criminal conspiracies relied on his knowingly false claims of election fraud,” the document states, noting that Trump’s allegations about voter fraud date back to as early as 2012 and later became a constant theme in the 2016 campaign.

This is mentioned to make it appear as if Trump had engineered a long-term plan to claim voter fraud if an election did not go his way, rather than a spontaneous reaction to the outcome of the 2020 race.

In the end, Smith’s filing claims he will prove that Trump was a sort of evil genius who masterminded an entire plot to dispute the outcome if he lost an election, even going so far as to concoct a violent attack against the government.

Let’s be blunt, shall we? If this is the best that Smith’s team has, this case might not go well for them. This “evidence” is rather shaky, at best and I haven’t seen anything that would suggest that Trump inspired a bunch of people to riot at the U.S. Capitol. Sure, Trump uses strong language, but he is not the first or last politician to do so.

Moreover, the notion that a politician should be responsible for people taking it upon themselves to engage in violence could lead to a terribly dangerous place. Should the state prosecute Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) because the man who tried to assassinate Republican politicians was allegedly inspired by his rhetoric?

Of course not.

Basically, this indictment boils down to arguing that because Trump disputed the election results and said some mean things about people, the state should prosecute him. If the court handles this fairly, it seems doubtful to me that the prosecution will be able to make these particular allegations stick.

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smith has one small problem. The riot was incited by the FBI and their assets embedded within Trump supporters.

I remember when the story was that the January 6 riot was the doing of ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter.

They would be the FBI assets

Which group do conspiracy theorists currently assign Ray Epps to?

…After the riot, Epps became the focus of a conspiracy theory — echoed by right-wing news outlets — that he was a secret government agent who incited the Capitol attack.

Driven from his Arizona home, the former Marine and ex-member of the Oath Keepers extremist group filed a defamation lawsuit against Fox News Channel this year, saying the network was to blame for spreading the baseless claims that led to death threats and bullet casings in his yard.

Michael Teter, an attorney representing Epps in the defamation case, said Epps’ plea agreement is “powerful evidence of the absurdity of Fox News’ and Tucker Carlson’s lies that sought to turn Ray into a scapegoat for January 6.”

“Had Ray been charged earlier, Fox News would have called him a hero and political prisoner,” Teter said in an emailed statement. “Instead, Fox News spread falsehoods about Ray that have cost him his livelihood and safety.”

The judge scheduled Epps’ sentencing for Dec. 20. The charge carries up to one year behind bars, but federal sentencing guidelines call for zero to six months, according to court papers.

Epps, who worked as a roofer after serving four years as infantry in the U.S. Marine Corps, has vehemently denied ever working for the FBI.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Gordon said during the hearing that “Epps was not … a confidential source for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency.”

Epps has said he went to Washington to protest the 2020 election, which he falsely believed — based on stories he heard on Fox News — was stolen from the Republican president, who lost to Democrat Joe Biden

You don’t see it as just a bit odd that while those who committed no violence and some who weren’t even at the Capital on January 6th are in jail for long sentences, Epps, the only person on video inciting the incursion into the Capital and also shown removing barricades and promoting the incursion, is NOT in jail?

Why isn’t the same attention applied to the Hamas-supporting violent mobs?

Epps is a Fed asset an agitator, how many feds were going to kidnap a Dem governor?

A mindless social media lynch mob has destroyed Ray Epp’s life.

So you approve of him calling for protesters to enter the Capital?

Calling for protesters to enter the Capitol is why Epps is awaiting sentencing for disorderly or disruptive conduct on restricted grounds.

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Don’t you even think?
Epps is ”awaiting” sentencing” at HOME.
All these other Jan 6th arrestees are awaiting trial in horrible conditions in a crap-filled prison, in isolation, denied their right to a lawyer, even their right to their medications!

Database of all those arrested on January 6 charges, as of 12/01/23.

1201 people have been charged. As of March, only 20 were being held who haven’t actually been sentenced to prison time. 17 of those were arrested for assaulting police officers.

Last edited 9 months ago by Greg

So, why does the ONE PERSON shown on video exhorting protesters to storm the Capital not already in jail? People that weren’t even there are in jail, people who just “said stuff” are in jail, people who “paraded” are in jail. Why isn’t, by Democrat definition, the most seditious and dangerous person there not rotting in a cold, damp jail cell?

Because he’s a G-man.

Maybe you’ll be satisfied when some right-wing nut case assaults or kills him. He was one of your own.

I could not care less what happens to him. He should have thought about all that before he through his lot in with fascist left wing insurrectionists undermining the Constitution.

Just a small side point:
Derek Chauvin was stabbed 22 times in the chest while in prison in Arizona.
The perp was an FBI asset, too.

Just a coincidence. Move along. Nothing to see here.

I remember Antifa we saw that guy breaking a window then MSM paying him for that, and Feds.
BLM are the traveling criminal democrat rioters burning down and looting towns where ever they gather,like Kenosha.
You remember Kenosha where your Wisconsin gun law experts on TV were 100 % wrong, yes a 17 year old can open carry a rifle and defend himself from a violent mob containing an armed felon, child molester , and a woman beater.

If that’s true, why would Johnson have everyone’s faces blurred in the footage? Certainly it would yield plenty of direct photographic evidence of the FBI inciting the crowd.

Just an idea, how many capitol police committed suicide after the false flag? You want the FBI doxxed for following orders?
Try to use part of your addled brain.

“You want the FBI doxxed for following orders?”

I do if they broke the law. Don’t you? Why are you making the DOJ’s case for it?

They can be used as minnows after the election. Ever go fishin’ Mikey?

Copies of the video without blurred faces can yield the identities of the FBI assets. As soon as the FBI stops protecting their subversion, they can be identified.

Unblurred videos, which Johnson has, would allow him to exert pressure on the DOJ to indict those found to be FBI agents.

The DoJ has the videos as well. The FBI has the videos.

Can’t Johnson exert pressure on the DOJ to get something done about it?

What part of “weaponized DOJ and FBI working solely for the DNC” can you not understand?

What part of “weaponized DOJ and FBI working solely for the DNC” can you not understand?

Certainly the House GOP can exert enough pressure to get something done. At the very least, it can take the unblurred images and post photographs of those FBI agents who have been identified. That would light a fire under the DOJ and it would bring all the true patriots around to your side.

Anyway, you guys have already identified the FBI agents present on January 6, haven’t you? You’ve been talking about how many there were for almost three years now.

How? If they had a majority in the Senate, they could cut funding. It has been confirmed that there were over 200 FBI assets (not agents, dumbass) present at the Capital January 6th but, other than Epps, they have not been identified.

Would you fire or indict someone doing what they were told to do by their bosses..huh stupid?
Hey how long is the Las Vegas shooter going to be in the news?
He was a professor, imagine that.

Last edited 9 months ago by kitt

“Would you fire or indict someone doing what they were told to do by their bosses..huh stupid?”

All you’ve been doing for nearly three years is bitching about the FBI breaking the law. Now you don’t want to deal with it?

Would you fire or indict someone doing what they were told to do by their bosses..huh stupid?

I would if they were breaking the law.

Then we need to fire and prosecute school librarians for putting out the queer porn books, contributing to the delinquency of a minor. You know cause she was told to.

Last edited 9 months ago by kitt

Is inciting violence breaking the law? How about entrapment?

This whole Witch Hunt is going to Backfire on those who are responsible for it all just like the Salam Witch Trials backfired on the infamous Witch Hunter at the time Mathew Hopkins

When the former president was asked to denounce the Proud Boys, a group that has been accused of engaging in political violence, Trump’s response was to tell them to “stand back and stand by.” The state is attempting to portray this statement as an expression of support and an order to hold off on violence until a later time.

I guess he should have denied they exist, like Democrats do with the truly and demonstrably violent group, ANTIFA. He should have just said they were an “idea”. It doesn’t matter that they’ve never actually committed any violence.

The Republican response to Trump’s second impeachment pretty much established how the Democrats either don’t believe harsh rhetoric incites violence or, if they do, they condone it. Either way, this tack merely shows how weak and pathetic their case is.

Even further, Smiths’ team is set to present evidence showing that Trump’s support for those arrested for J6 shows that he supported the violence at the Capitol building.

This makes the flawed assumption that those are legitimate convictions for violent behavior. They aren’t and every one needs to be reviewed and reevaluated by a non-fascist judge.

The argument that because Trump denied the outcome of the election justifies an indictment for some kind of crime doesn’t survive the comparison to the claims Gore, Hillary, Abrams, Pelosi and just about every other Democrat made after 2016 and up until 2020.

Smith knows his audience. Only Democrats are stupid enough to consider this legitimate.

They live in a world where garage door pulls are really nooses, and Chicago is MAGA country all we can do is smirk as they beat their drum in our faces.

Last edited 9 months ago by kitt

How did the LEFT treat threatening photos of President Trump?

NEWSWEEK:
A photo showed Trump in what appeared to be crosshairs.
Journalist Tom Roussey of ABC affiliate station WJLA-TV in Washington D.C., apologized and deleted the photo.

Hi everybody, I just want to apologize. I’m really sorry. It’s my fault but I hope you can forgive. pic.twitter.com/U4GfB6guc0
— Tom Roussey (@tomrousseyABC7) November 29, 2018

Not fired.
Not punished at all!
Forgiveness handed out.
No grudge held.
Worse than all of Trump’s statements that day put together…..and in context.

Fraudulent NY trial. There. Fixed it.

12/07/23 – A deluge of violent messages: How a surge in threats to public officials could disrupt American democracy

(Includes recordings of messages left for public officials. Listen at your own discretion.)

Yeah, thanks, Democrats.

12/07/23 – Ex-police chief caught with hatchet in Capitol on Jan. 6 sentenced to 11 years
A former California police chief was sentenced to 11 years in prison on Thursday for his actions during the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.
Why it matters: Alan Hostetter’s punishment is among the longest sentences received by those convicted of crimes committed in connection with the riot.
In preparation for Jan. 6, Hostetter, 59, brought hatchets, knives, stun batons, pepper spray and tactical gear to D.C. for himself and others, according to the Department of Justice.

  • He was found on Capitol grounds with a hatchet in his backpack.
  • After representing himself at trial, Hostetter was found guilty of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon and three other counts earlier this year.
  • In December 2020, he told a crowd of fellow Trump supporters that when Congress was in session on Jan. 6 he intended to “choke that city off, fill it with patriots, and then those people behind the walls of the Senate and the House are gonna be listening to us chanting outside those walls.”
  • Before the Capitol riot, Hostetter also said Trump’s political enemies should be executed.
  • Hostetter was the chief of police for the La Habra Police Department in California and later became a yoga instructor.

What they’re saying: The Justice Department said Thursday that 1,230 people have been charged for their actions surrounding the Capitol riot.

  • It added that more than 440 individuals have been charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement, which is a felony.

The big picture: House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said earlier this week that he would ensure that the faces of those who participated in Jan. 6 would be blurred out when he releases footage.

  • He said the blurring was necessary to protect people who potentially committed crimes from being charged by the Justice Department.

Others brought twist ties. They intended to take hostages.

The same guy: A Jan. 6 rioter praised Vivek Ramaswamy at his sentencing for suggesting riot was an ‘inside job’

 A former California police chief convicted of a conspiracy charge in the U.S. Capitol riot was sentenced Thursday to more than 11 years in prison after giving a speech that praised Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy’s suggestion the Jan. 6, 2021, attack could have been an “inside job.”

Alan Hostetter, who prosecutors say carried a hatchet in his backpack on Jan. 6, spun conspiracy theories as he spoke to a judge at his sentencing hearing, falsely claiming the 2020 election was stolen from former President Donald Trump and referring to the riot as a “false flag” operation.

Only eight other Jan. 6 defendants have received a longer term so far. His is the third-longest Jan. 6 sentence among those who were not charged with seditious conspiracy.

Ramaswamy, a biotech entrepreneur running his first political campaign, has drawn attention in the GOP field with his rapid-fire, wide-ranging speeches in which he often discusses things he says are “truths.”

In suggesting that federal agents were behind Jan. 6 during a GOP debate Wednesday, Ramaswamy promoted a conspiracy theory embraced by many on the far right who have argued Trump supporters were framed. There is no evidence to back up those claims, and FBI Director Christopher Wray has said the “notion that somehow the violence at the Capitol on January 6 was part of some operation orchestrated by FBI sources and agents is ludicrous.”

Ramaswamy’s campaign did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

Hostetter, who defended himself at his bench trial with help from a standby attorney, said Ramaswamy’s mention shows ideas like his are “no longer fringe theories.”

U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth said Hostetter’s conviction wasn’t about his beliefs, but rather for crossing police lines being part of the riot that interrupted Congress as they certified the 2020 election. He handed down a 135-month sentence, close to the more than 12-year sentence prosecutors had requested.

Prosecutor Anthony Mariano pointed to posts Hostetter had made before Jan. 6, including one about putting “the fear of God into members of Congress.”

“This is not a case that’s just about words … this man took actions based on those words,” he said, detailing knives and other gear Hostetter also brought to Washington.

A defense attorney advising him, Karren Kenney, argued that Hostetter didn’t push against police lines or enter the Capitol building. Hostetter also maintained that he didn’t bring his hatchet to the Capitol.

Hostetter was convicted in July of four counts, including conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and entering a restricted area with a deadly or dangerous weapon.

Hostetter had previously served as police chief in La Habra, California, near Los Angeles, but had moved on to teaching yoga when he founded a nonprofit called the American Phoenix Project in the spring of 2020. He used the tax-exempt organization to oppose COVID-19 restrictions and to advocate for violence against political opponents after the 2020 presidential election…

They expected to be confronted by the always violent ANTIFA. Apparently, the government told ANTIFA to stand down, they’d have Epps stir the crowd up.

he didn’t bring his hatchet to the Capitol.

Was this guy RV traveling? Holy smokes if they looked at what I have when I go to camp and whats always there, a 9 mm semi-auto, a revolver, long axes, hatchets, stuff to make fire, (which could be called arson by these assholes)knives a machete Id never see the light of day again if they raided during deer season

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Id never see the light of day again if they raided during deer season

From your mouth to God’s ear…

I hope you know if TSHTF dumb f’s like you are gonna die, it will hurt the whole time

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Every one of these j6 prisoners will need to have their sentences commuted. j6 was an inside job, the violence instigated by FBI assets and capital police on instruction from higher ups.

Speaker Johnson should empanel a new select committee to reveal the truth to the American People, not the coverup crafted by the unconstitutional pelosi committee of 9 angry democrats.

Hatchet in his backpack. IN HIS BACKPACK. Did he wield it? Is having a hatchet illegal? I’ve heard of another guy legally carrying a concealed weapon. The authorities didn’t know he had carried it until he told them he had. That was the “armed insurrection”.

Why don’t you get a f**king life?

Why don’t you get a f**king brain???

My brain filters out the thousands of idiotic conspiracy theories YOU cling to every day, day in and day out. My brain is suspicious of propaganda, not jonesing for it like yours.