Allah:
You’d think a guy who’ll be attacked endlessly for his brother’s policies on Iraq wouldn’t want to tie himself to the president responsible for Vietnam too.
In fairness, he’s talking about governing style here, not policy substance. But why he’d feel obliged to mention LBJ at all in making this point, I have no idea.
Bush did not address Johnson’s Great Society and War on Poverty programs, about which Ronald Reagan once famously quipped, “We had a war on poverty, and poverty won.”
Instead, he was referencing Johnson’s mastery of the so-called sausage-making process in Congress.
He vowed to approach the presidency as “master of the Senate,” as biographer Robert Caro described Johnson.
“He went and he cajoled, he begged, he threatened, he loved, he hugged, he did what leaders do, which is they personally get engaged to make something happen,’’ Bush said of Johnson. Bush cited Caro’s latest book about Johnson, The Passage of Power, which covers the first part of Johnson’s presidency.
He went on to say that it’s “completely un-American” to let illegals live “in the shadows” because of course he did. Needless to say, his LBJ comments are a knock on Obama, who’s frequently compared to Johnson by lefties who are unhappy with the pace of what O’s achieved. LBJ knew how to schmooze and terrorize Congress to get what he wanted; The One, ever aloof, is too remote to get his hands dirty like that. On a basic level, all Jeb’s saying here is that he’ll be hands-on. But as a Twitter buddy pointed out, if he wanted to make the point that he’ll be a dealmaker as president, he could have reached for an example that’s far more appealing to conservatives — namely, Ronald Reagan. The fact that he reached back to the Great Society instead, knowing that conservatives already view him as suspect, is baffling. Jonah Goldberg wrote a column the other day expressing his mystification at the fact that Jeb seems to feel no need to woo the righty base at all. Granted, he’s not going to be the conservative choice in the primaries, but neither was Romney and he managed to win enough righty votes to build a winning coalition with centrists. More importantly, the more alienated conservatives feel from Bush, the less likely they may be to help his campaign in the general if he’s the nominee. There are plenty of righties, I think, who’ll grudgingly vote for the most “electable” candidate even in the primaries, despite their personal preference for someone who’s more conservative — so long as they feel that candidate is interested in their votes. As it is, you’ve got Jeb running around praising Lyndon Johnson and babbling about amnesty to anyone who’ll listen right at the moment that voters are starting to pay attention. What’s wrong with this picture?
I get the distinct idea that Jeb either don’t wanna be POTUS, don’t wanna run for POTUS, or is politically suicidal. Not sure which — but I can live comfortably with any of the three answers……..
Does this mean we get to see his scar?
Does this mean he will steal elections?
Does this mean he will booze with the best?
Just what about LBJ is so attractive? His bullying? His lies?
His trust in technocrats?
I think Jeb has written himself off.
I don’t want to see another Bush or Clinton in the White House…Time to move on…
Is this what he means?
you need, a person unshakeble and assertive, quick thinking , quick replying, to match this kind of dangerous mindset opposition ,the one to politely bring down the opponent in one reply,
and able to move on to exterminate that evil one, and quickly move on to talk of his own mindset,
his own way to have the people heal and breath again, and start to build for the sake of helping
their own first, not the beggars of the government, who won’t be there if he win,
all work for achieving your goal, and giving the people protection against the foreign effort to change
this AMERICA THE BRAVE, THE INNOVATIVE, THE SMARTEST THE TOLERANT THE ONE LOVED BY ALL THE FREE WORLD,
FOR HER EXCEPTIONALIST,
one who will close the borders all around,
to protect the good people,
WHO WANT TO FEEL SAFE IN AMERICA AGAIN,
that one who love THE REAL AMERICA, now brutaly attack within,
ONE WHO BELIEVE THAT ONLY THE BEST ARE ELLIGIBLE TO LIVE AND IMMIGRATE IN THIS COUNTRY,
ONE WHO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A TIME TO ACCEPT THE
REJECTED THE SICK THE OTHER, TO FILL THE LAND, BUT KNOW,
THIS TIME IS TO CARE FOR THOSE IN HER LAND, AND REALIZE THAT THIS LAND IS FILLED TO MORE THAN SHE CAN TAKE,
SO TO KEEP HER CITIZENS FREE,AT LAST,
Nah, you don’t want a republican moderate like Jeb Bush. A lot of democrats might feel comfortable voting for him. There’d be serious danger that he might actually win a presidential election.
@Greg:
It’s pretty clear that Democrats don’t support moderates since the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Pelosi/Reid party has purged itself of all moderate Democrats.
@retire05, #7:
I think Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton could be a very close race. I’m a little doubtful that Pelosi and Reid indicate what you think. Centrist voters might prefer candidates who are markedly left of center to candidates who are markedly right of center, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t prefer a consensus-building moderate of either party to both. I think what voters might want most at this point is a move toward unification rather than even greater division. Division is beginning to feel like a national illness. Greater unity won’t be found on either extreme.
More great news: Long-Time Dem Rep. John Conyers Fails to Qualify for Election Ballot
Any candidate that leftists think would be a good GOP candidate should be immediately disavowed. Leftists are not interested in helping the GOP, so their purported support for a GOP candidate is based on a disingenuous motivation. Leftists talked about how wonderful Mccain and Romney were…until they became tbe official candidate. No leftist is ever going to vote for a “moderate” republican anyway, so the only reason to listen to leftist advice on a GOP candidate is.to learn who NOT to support.
Listening to leftists “praise” Jeb Bush is foolish in light of what they had to say about prior Bush presidents.
MITT ROMNEY
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HE HAS 3 GUN AND THEY WANT TO TAKE HIS GUN HE CALL 911 THINKING THERE
SOMETHING TO BE DONE TO HELP HIM, SHE TOLD HIM THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE,
BECAUSE HE IS IN MEXICO, HE is a PROUD MARINE, DESERVING HELP,
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to MEXICO, FREE OUR BRAVE MARINE, OR WE WILL SEND YOU
A THOUSANDS LATINOS who cross the border, IN ONE TRIP,
@Greg:
Sure you do. Just like the NYSlimes thought John McCain was the greatest thing since sliced bread until he won the primaries, then they savaged McCain.
I learned long ago not to trust the opinion of any progressive, and that includes you, Greggie.
Are you serious? Harry Reid verbally attacks private citizens on the floor of the Senate, a never before done action. He lambasts private citizens just because they donate to conservative groups, yet never mentions the millions of dollars George Soros has poured into progressive causes. Reid is a disgrace. Pelosi is just flat out stupid.
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Think about what you just said, Greggie, and think about how has been in the Oval Office for over five years. Yet, day after day, we can count on you to spew the progressive talking points and defend the indefensible, i.e. Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., that daily contributes to our national divide.
I am glad that you are finally waking up to the reality that the divide caused by your side of the aisle is not going to bring us together.
@retire05, #12:
I learned long ago that automatically adopting an opposing position doesn’t mean that someone isn’t being influenced by the opinion expressed. This is one reason why Obama is driving some people crazy. They can’t allow themselves to agree with him, even when what he says makes perfect sense.
Yeah, right.
The republican far-right has been busily primarying the GOP’s own best candidates out of many races, even when those replacing them will most likely lose elections. They’re creating divisions not only in the nation as a whole, but in their own party.
@Greg:
If you think your opinions are actually influencing anyone here, it is you who are crazy.
@Greg:
And just exactly what has President Teleprompter said that makes sense? His stand on Honduras? Perhaps his ditched red-line on Syria? His decision to support the Muslim Brotherhood candidate in Egypt? His foreign policy is a disaster. And his domestic policy? How many millions have been thrown at a wreck of a health care web site? And for what? A bogus number of 8 million insured that is basically made of those who lost their insurance due to Obamacare? Jobs? Where are they? We have a work force that it at 30 year lows. Cost of living? Want to compare gas prices now to the day Obama took office?
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Any so-called conservative candidate that liberal progressives like you think are best should be eliminated, and quickly.
Tell me, Greggie, when did you become a Socialist?
I don’t think that’s actually the same thing as supporting an assortment of publicly funded social programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
@Greg:
You protest too much Greg and insincerely at that. You bask in your own delusions of importance in thinking that your poorly debated arguments actually influence how readers think, without even realizing that the majority of readers recognize you as a partisan clown, capable of little but tossing out far-left talking points on subjects you often don’t even have a clue about (which becomes clear as you continually dig yourself in a hole). You have made your “progressive” bias obvious during the many years you have been on FA. You have defended every socialist playbook move by the Progressive movement. You spread their propaganda talking points as if they are fact, and when asked for proof you usually either run away and hide or provide links that most of the time do nothing to support your claims. Often, you don’t even bother to read the pages you link to, and when it is pointed out that said links ‘not only do not support your claim, but actually prove the opposite,’ you ignore it and try to change the subject. In fact, changing the subject of a topic into a completely unrelated direction, is a common tactic by leftists who troll political forums. The discussions would be a lot more intelligent if you weren’t always hanging around playing the village idiot.
It’s sad to say, that far too many posters not only let the trolls get away with it, but they get sucked in and “feed the trolls”. This forces those of us who take the original subject seriously, to either try to bring the discussion back on topic or walk away in annoyance. Speaking of which:
Does Jeb Bush not remember what an arrogant jackass LBJ was? Has he forgotten the Vietnam War that LBJ escalated into the most unpopular war in US history? Probably the only good thing LBJ did for this nation was to be forced by public opinion to put aside his well known racist bigotry and sign the (Republican crafted and mostly GOP passed) Civil Rights bill into law. Jeb has also probably forgotten that LBJ was a one term president. I do however, agree that Jeb would very likely govern like LBJ would, proving once and for all that Jeb Bush knows full well he is a Progressive Establishment RINO.
I think that if Jeb will handle himself like LBJ, we should elect him. LBJ is dead and if Jeb governs like a dead person he can’t hurt us. No executive orders, no monthly vacations, no bowing to foreign leaders, no more embarrassing our country, this sounds wonderful. Maybe Congress could do the same thing!
Sidwit
YES,that’s a good thought
what about the dead voters?
would they finaly rest in peace?
or raise the hell out of it,
BYE
@Greg:
The problem here is that President Obama is not the practical moderate character that he plays on television. He is of course, the product of the flatulent 1960s’ hallucinogenic Marxist hippie lunacy. So much of what may seem like perfect sense on the surface to a child’s mind, easily falls apart when critical logic is applied to it by an adult. This of course is why the Collective works hard to limit free speech if not prohibit it altogether; they’re fully aware that they possess easily debunked arguments that cannot withstand debate.
Certainly there hasn’t been a more nationally divisive President in modern history than the one that currently occupies the White House. There’s a reason that race relations have been steadily deteriorating since 2008, and the current administration and it’s fringe-left drug-fueled policies are that reason.
While I’m sure that nothing would please the Collective more than the ability to But-Bush for another decade, Republicans already fielded two moderate Republicans in the last two presidential elections. While the elections were far closer than the Collective would like people to believe, these moderate Republicans lost. So it’s not that Republicans need to field candidates that easily submit to the fascist pressure of the Collective, rather, Republicans need to field candidates that present a clear choice. In other words, it’s not enough to run Coke against Pepsi, rather they need a clear choice by running Coke against something like Tahitian Treat.
Certainly that’s the case with ObamaCare, or the Affordable Care Act, which was meant to serve as a Trojan Horse to usher in an inherently inferior and oppressive single-payer system.
If we talk about governing style, it would be a definite improvement over what we have now. Once anyone is elected to office, they need to govern and governing sometimes means cutting deals. LBJ, even though he had a solid D majority in both the House and Senate, he knew he needed the R’s to govern. He didn’t get all he wanted, the R’s got what they wanted. Reagan had a similar mindset – if you’re able to get 75% of the loaf, take it. You can always come back for the remaining 25%. You would have to work to get the remaining 25%, but if you show success with the 75% you do have, those opposing on you getting the remaining 25% will fall away.
Now, if the thought is why Jeb didn’t use Reagan as the template versus LBJ, then we are starting to quibble here. A smart conservative knows he/she will need to peel away some D congressional votes, not so much for the “bipartisanship” cover but in terms of good politics. You need to cajole them. Jeb using the LBJ reference makes sense in appealing to those D’s who want to vote “yes” on a Republican/conservative agenda item but afraid to do so. If you cajole them the right way, they either vote your way all the time (or close to it)
@David:
Someone needs to inform the Collective of this, since they passed ObamaCare along party lines with legislative chicanery.
@Ditto, #14:
It wasn’t really my own opinions that I was talking about.
@Greg:
Indoctrinated progressives don’t have opinions, Greggie. And you are an indoctrinated progressive.
@Greg:
Actually, you were Greg. You were patting yourself on the back for getting your oppositional opinions on FA where they might influence readers. Jeez, Greg you are so disingenuous that you lie about your own motivations for trolling here.
@Ditto, #25:
Interesting. I mistakenly thought I was talking about Obama, and how people who feel compelled to disagree with anything and everything he says can no longer formulate opinions of their own without his position being a factor:
@Greg:
In which specific instances has this occurred?
Well, you seem to think he’s wrong 100 percent of the time. Offhand, I can’t actually think of anything he’s said or done that you haven’t disagreed with. Perhaps you can think of some exceptions that have slipped my mind.
@Greg:
Well, he is a Marxist, so that that’s not unreasonable to assume. But whether or not I ever agree with him, isn’t really the point you raised.
Rather, the point you raised, is that people are unable to formulate opinions of their own without his opinion being a factor.
So for instance, my opinion with regards to first contact with extraterrestrial beings, I generally agree with the findings of the 1960 Brookings Report, entitled Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs, which suggests that information about contact with extraterrestrials might be better withheld since it would likely incite chaos in religious and scientific institutions. I don’t think mankind is ready for such a revelation quite yet .
I have no idea what President Obama’s opinion on the Brooking’s Institute report is or about how to handle extraterrestrial contact may be, and yet I was able to formulate this opinion without knowing his. So your your rhetoric just doesn’t apply to me.
So I would have to ask again, in which specific instances has this occurred? Remember, we need an exact specific instance to be cited here.
@Greg: 26
Obama doesn’t have opinions of his own, he only executes orders from his handlers.
@Greg:
If you don’t believe that, tell us something, of substance, that he has been right on. Benghazi perhaps?
@annie: You said:
“I don’t want to see another Bush or Clinton in the White House…Time to move on… ”
Or Johnson, Kennedy or Carter!
@Kraken: You said:
The SOB lies so much that there really is nothing that can be believed or agreed with – since even if you ‘agreed’ with the words from the teleprompter — the SOB will say and / or do something different to the point of being opposite within a few days
Budvarakbar
is in it like guiding the people peacefully to the cliff and telling them to jump, it won’t hurt
BYE
Jeb Bush was a successful governor and is far more qualified to be POTUS than the current one. The fact that he didn’t step up to the plate in 2012 to try and win the party’s nomination in order to challenge Obama when he could have, says something about his backbone. As for GOP governors, I’d take Perry any day over Jeb. He stepped up to the plate when the country needed it as did all of the Republicans who tried to secure the nomination.
anothervet
yes ,
RICK PERRY fit the new PRESIDENT COMMING,
@ilovebeeswarzone: He has real conservative credentials and is a non-establishment Republican. That’s what we need to try and turn this country around is someone from outside Washington. Of course, we may be so far gone because of the damage inflicted the last five years that it may be too late for anyone to make a real difference.
another vet
not to late for the right person, RICK PERRY, IS, not too late.
maybe for the weak ones but this CANDIDATE would be tirelessly cleaning the place from the rotten smell from the rats WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE NON ELECTED, he would replace the lawyers with real citizens elected, TO DO THE JOB THEY WHERE PUT THERE FOR,
@ilovebeeswarzone: You’re right, we need someone like Rick Perry, or actually Rick Perry.
@Redteam:
But definitely NOT Jeb Bush, who is just another progressive establishment RINO.